Carmack says gamers confused PS3 version of RAGE with high-end PC

RAGE is undoubtedly one of the biggest releases of 2011 and with id Software creating it, gamers have very high expectations from the title. John Carmack has revealed something which is bound to instill some confidence in PS3 gamers' minds.

Carmack told that gamers who had the chance to try out RAGE at their booth at E3 on the PS3, were so shocked by the impressive visuals on offer that they actually went as far as checking under the kiosks to double-check that it was indeed running on a PS3. He revealed this via a tweet:

"High compliment from E3 – people looking under the kiosks to verify that they were actually playing Rage on a PS3 and not a high end PC."

I'm sure the game will look good, but what I've seen so far is just not that visually impressive.

I think the controller would have given it away.

They were prob just checking to see if the ps3 could be nicked.

lol what gamers are these? I've heard no one make that claim...sounds like Carmack is hearing things.

lol what gamers are these? I've heard no one make that claim...sounds like Carmack is hearing things.

WilliamRLBaker

He probably was hearing things... things being said in the vicinity of his location, where you were not.

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lol what gamers are these? I've heard no one make that claim...sounds like Carmack is hearing things.

Pug-Nasty

He probably was hearing things... things being said in the vicinity of his location, where you were not.

Graphically Rage is a looker, but I'm having a hard time getting excited for this game. If it looks and runs that well on consoles then PC version should really be a showpiece.getyeryayasout

They have it running at 30FPS on Sandy Bridge graphics, which are really weak. Had to have been talking about the lower-end SB graphics (Ones that aren't on the OC-able CPUs) He also stated that they're working very close with Intel at this very moment to get it at 60FPS:shock: He even said a cheap, dedicated card will run it much better.

Even low-end hardware is gonna love this game. Obvious it was consoles first, but the level of optimization Carmack put into it is second to none. Can't wait because afterwards, Carmack said his team is putting their full focus back into PC. Haven't seen RAGE yet of course, but I bet if this was real, it was probably 360 gamers :P

Obviously these guys haven't seen PC gaming before.

Probably casual gamers who play CoD all day. Everything is gonna look great compared to CoD

Here's a Q and A from Gamespot about this. It's on the front page.

GS: Do you find yourself pushing up against the limits of the consoles' technology? I mean, right now, we're six years into the Xbox 360's life cycle…

JC: The interesting thing is, I don't feel at all that the consoles are tapped out right now. It's different than back in the old days when you're looking at Super Nintendo or something where many programmers would know every single register in a device like that and they really have at least thought about just about every possible way you might choose to exploit a platform like that. But the current platforms are so powerful and so sophisticated. I don't think there's any person anywhere that can really honestly say they know everything about one of these platforms. I'll randomly page through documentation on the 360, reading articles that I haven't read before realizing that, "Oh, there probably are smarter ways to use that vector processor."

So, that is a different situation than previous generations where there's still a lot that can be exploited in there. I mean, we did know up front, "Here's the memory we have, here's the amount of processing cycles we have." [But] there're still plenty of alternate directions that we could wind up looking at. It is interesting that on the PC side, we have systems that are 10 times more powerful than the consoles. But it's frustrating in that a lot of the PC systems that are many times more powerful still have trouble holding the same 60 frames-per-second rate because of API overhead, API clocking issues, and things like that. We're working with Intel and Nvidia on all these issues, but it is kind of frustrating when I know that the hardware is vastly more powerful but because we don't have quite as tight control over it, a lot of power goes to waste.

To be fair, the DualShock 3 can be used on PCs as well, for those wondering why the people playing the game had their doubts about what version it was.

Carmack mentioned how he underestimated how powerful PCs were becoming, so his decision to make Rage's visuals console oriented at the start of this gen was a mistake in hindsight. Doom 4 is showcasing the power of idTech5, so that's the game were the PC version is going to shine.

No idea how you came to the conclusion of your thread title from what the tweet actually said.

To be fair, the DualShock 3 can be used on PCs as well, for those wondering why the people playing the game had their doubts about what version it was.

the_delta

I very much doubt that many people know that and that they'd go through the trouble of setting them up instead of 360 controllers.

how many threads have you made recently dude? by the way most people here define amazing graphics. That dosen't suprise me. you sure it wasn't a bunch of cows who have never seen a high end pc ?emperorzhang66

Obviously these guys haven't seen PC gaming before.

Grawse

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Obviously these guys haven't seen PC gaming before.

drakekratos

...and? If they thought RAGE on PS3 was a high-end PC, I guess that makes Uncharted 3 looks like crap in comparison since it surpass a game from 2007.

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To be fair, the DualShock 3 can be used on PCs as well, for those wondering why the people playing the game had their doubts about what version it was.

ChubbyGuy40

I very much doubt that many people know that and that they'd go through the trouble of setting them up instead of 360 controllers.

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[QUOTE="the_delta"]

To be fair, the DualShock 3 can be used on PCs as well, for those wondering why the people playing the game had their doubts about what version it was.

soulitane

I very much doubt that many people know that and that they'd go through the trouble of setting them up instead of 360 controllers.

ugh I know right!? Had to unplug it because it kept taking over control in TW2 (Fail CPR!) and since it auto-tests connection after being disconnected, had to get up and turn it off :evil:

I was sayin though, they should've known it'd be pointless to use PS3 controllers or any controllers at all if it was on PC.

[QUOTE="Grawse"]

Obviously these guys haven't seen PC gaming before.

drakekratos

I'm sure the game will look good, but what I've seen so far is just not that visually impressive.

Pug-Nasty

Yea,but lots of people said you are not so impressed up until you pick up controller,when 60 fps and smooth animations come to spotlight.

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I'm sure the game will look good, but what I've seen so far is just not that visually impressive.

Bus-A-Bus

Yea,but lots of people said you are not so impressed up until you pick up controller,when 60 fps and smooth animations come to spotlight.

But console gamers said 30FPS is all you need :o

[QUOTE="Grawse"]

Obviously these guys haven't seen PC gaming before.

drakekratos

RAGE is undoubtedly one of the biggest releases of 2011 and with id Software creating it, gamers have very high expectations from the title. John Carmack has revealed something which is bound to instill some confidence in PS3 gamers' minds.

Carmack told that gamers who had the chance to try out RAGE at their booth at E3 on the PS3, were so shocked by the impressive visuals on offer that they actually went as far as checking under the kiosks to double-check that it was indeed running on a PS3. He revealed this via a tweet:

"High compliment from E3 – people looking under the kiosks to verify that they were actually playing Rage on a PS3 and not a high end PC."

drakekratos

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

I'm sure the game will look good, but what I've seen so far is just not that visually impressive.

ChubbyGuy40

Yea,but lots of people said you are not so impressed up until you pick up controller,when 60 fps and smooth animations come to spotlight.

But console gamers said 30FPS is all you need :o

Well,I don't know what console gamers said,but you feel diference.Not that 30fps,locked,with low latenency is bad but 60fps is another ball game :)

LOL!

Not a single person in this thread took a step back and saw how NON literal these people are E3 were being when they said it looked like a PC version. Did it occur to anyone that they were giving Carmack a compliment like 'Wow looks like a PC version' meaning it looks so good for a console game, I dont think they meant literally WOW THIS MUST BE PC EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE HOLDING A PS3 CONTROLLER AND THERES NO TOWER ANYWHERE TO BE FOUND WTF!

You guys need to relax sometimes and not take everything so literal.

LOL!

Not a single person in this thread took a step back and saw how NON literal these people are E3 were being when they said it looked like a PC version. Did it occur to anyone that they were giving Carmack a compliment like 'Wow looks like a PC version' meaning it looks so good for a console game, I dont think they meant literally WOW THIS MUST BE PC EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE HOLDING A PS3 CONTROLLER AND THERES NO TOWER ANYWHERE TO BE FOUND WTF!

You guys need to relax sometimes and not take everything so literal.

SRTtoZ

[QUOTE="drakekratos"]

RAGE is undoubtedly one of the biggest releases of 2011 and with id Software creating it, gamers have very high expectations from the title. John Carmack has revealed something which is bound to instill some confidence in PS3 gamers' minds.

Carmack told that gamers who had the chance to try out RAGE at their booth at E3 on the PS3, were so shocked by the impressive visuals on offer that they actually went as far as checking under the kiosks to double-check that it was indeed running on a PS3. He revealed this via a tweet:

"High compliment from E3 – people looking under the kiosks to verify that they were actually playing Rage on a PS3 and not a high end PC."

AdrianWerner

It looks rather fantastic :?

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[QUOTE="drakekratos"]

RAGE is undoubtedly one of the biggest releases of 2011 and with id Software creating it, gamers have very high expectations from the title. John Carmack has revealed something which is bound to instill some confidence in PS3 gamers' minds.

Carmack told that gamers who had the chance to try out RAGE at their booth at E3 on the PS3, were so shocked by the impressive visuals on offer that they actually went as far as checking under the kiosks to double-check that it was indeed running on a PS3. He revealed this via a tweet:

"High compliment from E3 – people looking under the kiosks to verify that they were actually playing Rage on a PS3 and not a high end PC."

FrozenLiquid

It looks rather fantastic :?

Not really. it does look good, but it's hardly even the best looking game out there. And considering this isn't some random developer, but id Software to see their new game come out and not raise any graphical bars is just plain dissapointing

AdrianWerner

Not really. it does look good, but it's hardly even the best looking game out there. And considering this isn't some random developer, but id Software to see their new game come out and not raise any graphical bars is just plain dissapointing

AdrianWerner

You're stretching it, there. Very few games are looking better than Rage at the moment, and of those that are, few look as big in scope, reverent in tiny detail, or rocking the 60 fps id software is boasting.

As a PC gamer I'm sure you're a little bit more educated than the console masses. To say that id Software is not raising any graphical bars is just plain silly. Are you impressed with the smoke-and-mirror engines such as MT Framework which powered games such as Resident Evil 5 and Lost Planet 2? Games which looked absolutely brilliant in screenshots, but when you interact with the world, it feels incredibly fake and intangible?

There's a lot of stuff happening under Rage's hood, and it's impressive. Any developer can create a small corridor, few enemy, post-processing heavy video game that looks superficially pretty (from Guerilla Games, 4A Games, Action Forms), but it takes id Software to make a quasi-sandbox title that runs butter-smooth and still looks as good as it does.

A bit confused here. If that's the case then why were the 2 play throughs shown on PC? Even then the visuals were not spectacular! :(

A bit confused here. If that's the case then why were the 2 play throughs shown on PC? Even then the visuals were not spectacular! :(

ducati101

I remember when journalists confused the 360 version of crysis 2 for the pc version. Not sure how that happened.:lol:

I remember when journalists confused the 360 version of crysis 2 for the pc version. Not sure how that happened.:lol:

MFDOOM1983

I remember when journalists confused the 360 version of crysis 2 for the pc version. Not sure how that happened.:lol:

MFDOOM1983

Well, the same happened last year with this exact game when 360 version won best graphics at E3 2010. Everyone thought it was PC version until proved wrong :P

And when it's released it will look and run better on the Xbox 360, just like every other multiplatform game.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

Not really. it does look good, but it's hardly even the best looking game out there. And considering this isn't some random developer, but id Software to see their new game come out and not raise any graphical bars is just plain dissapointing

FrozenLiquid

You're stretching it, there. Very few games are looking better than Rage at the moment, and of those that are, few look as big in scope, reverent in tiny detail, or rocking the 60 fps id software is boasting.

As a PC gamer I'm sure you're a little bit more educated than the console masses. To say that id Software is not raising any graphical bars is just plain silly. Are you impressed with the smoke-and-mirror engines such as MT Framework which powered games such as Resident Evil 5 and Lost Planet 2? Games which looked absolutely brilliant in screenshots, but when you interact with the world, it feels incredibly fake and intangible?

There's a lot of stuff happening under Rage's hood, and it's impressive. Any developer can create a small corridor, few enemy, post-processing heavy video game that looks superficially pretty (from Guerilla Games, 4A Games, Action Forms), but it takes id Software to make a quasi-sandbox title that runs butter-smooth and still looks as good as it does.

This is 100% true. Idtech 5 is extremely impressive, for a myrid of reasons. Of the very small handfull of games that actually look better then Rage, none of them are doing what Rage is doing.

There is not an engine out there right now that has as much promise to deliver on ultra high fidelity graphics as idtech 5.

And when it's released it will look and run better on the Xbox 360, just like every other multiplatform game.

daledoback