Carmack says what we've known but been hesitant to admit, 360 better than PS3

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169112

"The only real advantage the ps3 has is the extra storage space"

"On the graphical side.. the 360 hardware is superior"

He also says the Xbox360 has more memory available to use for development apart from the extra 10MB edram of the 360, because Sony's system uses more memory in non-gaming tasks. Is he wrong? or is the ps3 really simply just the weaker hardware?

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169112

"The only real advantage the ps3 has is the extra storage space"

He also says the Xbox360 has more memory available to use for development apart from the extra 10MB edram of the 360, because Sony's system uses more memory in non-gaming tasks. Is he wrong? or is the ps3 really simply just the weaker hardware?

themyth01

he is reluctant to work on a architecture he doesn't understand... good job with the making a duplicate thread btw.

[QUOTE="themyth01"]

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169112

"The only real advantage the ps3 has is the extra storage space"

He also says the Xbox360 has more memory available to use for development apart from the extra 10MB edram of the 360, because Sony's system uses more memory in non-gaming tasks. Is he wrong? or is the ps3 really simply just the weaker hardware?

FragTycoon

he is reluctant to work on a architecture he doesn't understand... good job with the making a duplicate thread btw.

I don't see any duplicate... You think Carmack doesn't understand the architecture? are you serious? do you know who this guy is?

How long is this guy gonna continue bashing the PS3 ? We get it Carmack ! the PS3 made you cry, go to Kojima for some lessons damn it !Swift_Boss_A

I don't agree nor do i disagree with Carmack but that made me laugh, please tell me did Kojima invent a genre?

EDIT: And for all you who are too lazy to read the first pages of this topic, no, he didn't invent the stealth genre

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"][QUOTE="themyth01"]

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169112

"The only real advantage the ps3 has is the extra storage space"

He also says the Xbox360 has more memory available to use for development apart from the extra 10MB edram of the 360, because Sony's system uses more memory in non-gaming tasks. Is he wrong? or is the ps3 really simply just the weaker hardware?

themyth01

he is reluctant to work on a architecture he doesn't understand... good job with the making a duplicate thread btw.

I don't see any duplicate... You think Carmack doesn't understand the architecture? are you serious? do you know who this guy is?

A cry baby

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]How long is this guy gonna continue bashing the PS3 ? We get it Carmack ! the PS3 made you cry, go to Kojima for some lessons damn it !st1ka

I don't agree nor do i disagree with Carmack but that made me laugh, please tell me did Kojima invent a genre?

Indeed, people on these boards don't seem to know who Carmack is.

[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="FragTycoon"][QUOTE="themyth01"]

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169112

"The only real advantage the ps3 has is the extra storage space"

He also says the Xbox360 has more memory available to use for development apart from the extra 10MB edram of the 360, because Sony's system uses more memory in non-gaming tasks. Is he wrong? or is the ps3 really simply just the weaker hardware?

jliebel

he is reluctant to work on a architecture he doesn't understand... good job with the making a duplicate thread btw.

I don't see any duplicate... You think Carmack doesn't understand the architecture? are you serious? do you know who this guy is?

A cry baby

He made a very nice looking game on the ps3 architecture, what have you done?

Pretty funny that Carmack says Rage will look and play better on the ps3 and its more future proof.

It is well documented that Carmack has been an outspoken person against the ps3.. but it does seem he is starting to come around.

http://kotaku.com/5031985/rage-and-ids-lovehate-relationship-with-the-ps3

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]How long is this guy gonna continue bashing the PS3 ? We get it Carmack ! the PS3 made you cry, go to Kojima for some lessons damn it !st1ka

I don't agree nor do i disagree with Carmack but that made me laugh, please tell me did Kojima invent a genre?

Yeah in fact Kojima did create a genre. It's called stealth action. I think everyone knows that Sony's archetecture has always been tough to use but once through and it's all good. If he made another game I sure he'd still complain but not as much.

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]How long is this guy gonna continue bashing the PS3 ? We get it Carmack ! the PS3 made you cry, go to Kojima for some lessons damn it !st1ka

I don't agree nor do i disagree with Carmack but that made me laugh, please tell me did Kojima invent a genre?

Well Kojima did invent the stealth action genre back in the 80's and again in 3D in the 90's. Before MGS games were all about shooting and MGS was the 1st game where it was about avoiding confrontation. Seriously I understand the PS3 is diffcult but the way this guy (Carmack) is talking is like he only worked on the PS3 once and couldn't get the hang of it so gave up, some programmer huh. PS2 was difficult and PS3 is easier then PS2 in the same time frame. Developers got the hang of PS2 and the same is happening with the PS3. The more you develope for the PS3 the easier it gets and you learn to get the best out of the Cell Processor. Carmack is just a big cry baby, I don't care how much experienced he is, if he was that experienced surely he would be able to crack the PS3 like soooo many other developpers are doing.

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]How long is this guy gonna continue bashing the PS3 ? We get it Carmack ! the PS3 made you cry, go to Kojima for some lessons damn it !st1ka

I don't agree nor do i disagree with Carmack but that made me laugh, please tell me did Kojima invent a genre?

Well Kojima did invent the stealth action genre back in the 80's and again in 3D in the 90's. Before MGS games were all about shooting and MGS was the 1st game where it was about avoiding confrontation. Seriously I understand the PS3 is diffcult but the way this guy (Carmack) is talking is like he only worked on the PS3 once and couldn't get the hang of it so gave up, some programmer huh. PS2 was difficult and PS3 is easier then PS2 in the same time frame. Developers got the hang of PS2 and the same is happening with the PS3. The more you develope for the PS3 the easier it gets and you learn to get the best out of the Cell Processor. Carmack is just a big cry baby, I don't care how much experienced he is, if he was that experienced surely he would be able to crack the PS3 like soooo many other developpers are doing.

Swift_Boss_A

Yeah in fact Kojima did create a genre. It's called stealth action. I think everyone knows that Sony's archetecture has always been tough to use but once through and it's all good. If he made another game I sure he'd still complain but not as much.

whackedjob213

first of all, that's not a genre, its sub-genre

secondly he didn't create it sega did

005

Beyond castle wolfenstein

Saboteur

all 3 of these games were createad before metal gear

[QUOTE="st1ka"]

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]How long is this guy gonna continue bashing the PS3 ? We get it Carmack ! the PS3 made you cry, go to Kojima for some lessons damn it !jonesy1911

I don't agree nor do i disagree with Carmack but that made me laugh, please tell me did Kojima invent a genre?

yah the stealth genre. is there any other question you'd like answered

"Rage will almost certainly look and run better on the PlayStation 3" i guess you missed that part of the article. and when he says 360 has better hardware. he means only to developers because its easier to develop for. but the Ps3 is obviously a more powerful machine. and btw his criticism is soo 2006 , developers are very dluent with the PS3 hardware nowrocoswav

I guess you didn't even click the link he says and I quote again " On the graphical side.. the 360 hardware is superior", no two ways about it, he says it at around 3:26 in the interview. He also says thatthe DVD is the only limiting factor on why ps3 version might look better, but that the 360 is the more powerful platform. Do at least check the links before posting.

[QUOTE="jonesy1911"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]How long is this guy gonna continue bashing the PS3 ? We get it Carmack ! the PS3 made you cry, go to Kojima for some lessons damn it !rocoswav

I don't agree nor do i disagree with Carmack but that made me laugh, please tell me did Kojima invent a genre?

yah the stealth genre. is there any other question you'd like answered

wasn't kojima

How many people soaked up every word he said when he was saying he had to compress Rage to fit on two dvds? How many said "THATS WHY U NEEDZ BLU RAY"..now all the sudden he takes a poke at their system and they say "shut the F*** UP WHO IS THIS KID". :lol:hopesfall2own

its so sad you have trouble understanding the english language. let me sum up what he is saying, PS3 is more powerful but harder to develop for , 360 is easier to develop for but lacks storage you get it now

I'm just struggling to agree, to be fair. He's obviously heavily biased to PC based devlopment, so he's inherently going to disagree with new, and different architectures. It's not unheard of for people to systematically denounce something as trash, because it's difficult to work with.

Anyone who actually believes the PS3 is trash in graphics capabilities, really needs to look at what the PS3 has done, and continues to do in that department. Also, Multiplatforms as of late, seem to be hitting it off really well with the PS3, so again, I'm failing to see either systems superiority.

[QUOTE="rocoswav"][QUOTE="jonesy1911"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]How long is this guy gonna continue bashing the PS3 ? We get it Carmack ! the PS3 made you cry, go to Kojima for some lessons damn it !st1ka

I don't agree nor do i disagree with Carmack but that made me laugh, please tell me did Kojima invent a genre?

yah the stealth genre. is there any other question you'd like answered

wasn't kojima

Really now then who did?

Oh and btw Carmack didn't "invent the FPS genre" like you claimed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-person_shooter#Origins

As you can see there where other FPS games out there before Wolfenstein 3D and Doom.

Really now then who did?

Sollet

you know if you're going to reply to a topic at least read the first page

[QUOTE="hopesfall2own"]How many people soaked up every word he said when he was saying he had to compress Rage to fit on two dvds? How many said "THATS WHY U NEEDZ BLU RAY"..now all the sudden he takes a poke at their system and they say "shut the F*** UP WHO IS THIS KID". :lol:rocoswav

its so sad you have trouble understanding the english language. let me sum up what he is saying, PS3 is more powerful but harder to develop for , 360 is easier to develop for but lacks storage you get it now

Watch the interview, it seems it's you who doesn't understand english. He clearly, very clearly, says the 360 has better graphics capabilities and is the better hardware. He also mentions how the ps3 is limited in memory and its GPUis a toned down PC chip with half the bandwidth.

[QUOTE="rocoswav"]"Rage will almost certainly look and run better on the PlayStation 3"i guess you missed that part of the article. and when he says 360 has better hardware. he means only to developers because its easier to develop for. but the Ps3 is obviously a more powerful machine. and btw his criticism is soo 2006 , developers are very dluent with the PS3 hardware nowthemyth01

I guess you didn't even click the link he says and I quote again " On the graphical side.. the 360 hardware is superior", no two ways about it, he says it at around 3:26 in the interview. He also says thatthe DVD is the only limiting factor on why ps3 version might look better, but that the 360 is the more powerful platform. Do at least check the links before posting.

and yet there is no console game that can dethrone uncharted in the graphics department. life is really weird

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]

Well Kojima did invent the stealth action genre back in the 80's and again in 3D in the 90's. Before MGS games were all about shooting and MGS was the 1st game where it was about avoiding confrontation. Seriously I understand the PS3 is diffcult but the way this guy (Carmack) is talking is like he only worked on the PS3 once and couldn't get the hang of it so gave up, some programmer huh. PS2 was difficult and PS3 is easier then PS2 in the same time frame. Developers got the hang of PS2 and the same is happening with the PS3. The more you develope for the PS3 the easier it gets and you learn to get the best out of the Cell Processor. Carmack is just a big cry baby, I don't care how much experienced he is, if he was that experienced surely he would be able to crack the PS3 like soooo many other developpers are doing.

st1ka

Yeah in fact Kojima did create a genre. It's called stealth action. I think everyone knows that Sony's archetecture has always been tough to use but once through and it's all good. If he made another game I sure he'd still complain but not as much.

whackedjob213

first of all, that's not a genre, its sub-genre

secondly he didn't create it sega did

005

Beyond castle wolfenstein

Saboteur

all 3 of these games were createad before metal gear

Except none of them are stealth action games. Try harder.

[QUOTE="Sollet"]

Really now then who did?

st1ka

you know if you're going to reply to a topic at least read the first page

I couldn't let yer ignorant remark slide

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-person_shooter#Origins

In case you missed it, Carmack did NOT invent that genre.

[QUOTE="st1ka"]

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]

Well Kojima did invent the stealth action genre back in the 80's and again in 3D in the 90's. Before MGS games were all about shooting and MGS was the 1st game where it was about avoiding confrontation. Seriously I understand the PS3 is diffcult but the way this guy (Carmack) is talking is like he only worked on the PS3 once and couldn't get the hang of it so gave up, some programmer huh. PS2 was difficult and PS3 is easier then PS2 in the same time frame. Developers got the hang of PS2 and the same is happening with the PS3. The more you develope for the PS3 the easier it gets and you learn to get the best out of the Cell Processor. Carmack is just a big cry baby, I don't care how much experienced he is, if he was that experienced surely he would be able to crack the PS3 like soooo many other developpers are doing.

ChrnoTrigger

Yeah in fact Kojima did create a genre. It's called stealth action. I think everyone knows that Sony's archetecture has always been tough to use but once through and it's all good. If he made another game I sure he'd still complain but not as much.

whackedjob213

first of all, that's not a genre, its sub-genre

secondly he didn't create it sega did

005

Beyond castle wolfenstein

Saboteur

all 3 of these games were createad before metal gear

Except none of them are stealth action games. Try harder.

yes they are in fact saboteur was the first game with metal gear SOLID gameplay

[QUOTE="themyth01"]

[QUOTE="rocoswav"]"Rage will almost certainly look and run better on the PlayStation 3"i guess you missed that part of the article. and when he says 360 has better hardware. he means only to developers because its easier to develop for. but the Ps3 is obviously a more powerful machine. and btw his criticism is soo 2006 , developers are very dluent with the PS3 hardware nowrocoswav

I guess you didn't even click the link he says and I quote again " On the graphical side.. the 360 hardware is superior", no two ways about it, he says it at around 3:26 in the interview. He also says thatthe DVD is the only limiting factor on why ps3 version might look better, but that the 360 is the more powerful platform. Do at least check the links before posting.

and yet there is no console game that can dethrone uncharted in the graphics department. life is really weird

Really??? that's your opinion, even so, you can't prove Uncharted is more technical extensive than Gears of War or most other games for that matter. But I guess Carmack could be wrong, maybe he hasn't seen Uncharted.

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"][QUOTE="themyth01"]

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169112

"The only real advantage the ps3 has is the extra storage space"

He also says the Xbox360 has more memory available to use for development apart from the extra 10MB edram of the 360, because Sony's system uses more memory in non-gaming tasks. Is he wrong? or is the ps3 really simply just the weaker hardware?

themyth01

he is reluctant to work on a architecture he doesn't understand... good job with the making a duplicate thread btw.

I don't see any duplicate... You think Carmack doesn't understand the architecture? are you serious? do you know who this guy is?

Yeah he's a developer who never made a single game on ps3 before.

I mean come onnn, you cant look at mgs4 and uncharted and say it's that bad...

[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="Sollet"]

Really now then who did?

Sollet

you know if you're going to reply to a topic at least read the first page

I couldn't let yer ignorant remark slide

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-person_shooter#Origins

In case you missed it, Carmack did NOT invent that genre.

i admit i had no idea, i stand corrected and i apologize for my ignorant remark

[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="FragTycoon"][QUOTE="themyth01"]

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169112

"The only real advantage the ps3 has is the extra storage space"

He also says the Xbox360 has more memory available to use for development apart from the extra 10MB edram of the 360, because Sony's system uses more memory in non-gaming tasks. Is he wrong? or is the ps3 really simply just the weaker hardware?

1xcalibur1

he is reluctant to work on a architecture he doesn't understand... good job with the making a duplicate thread btw.

I don't see any duplicate... You think Carmack doesn't understand the architecture? are you serious? do you know who this guy is?

Yeah he's a developer who never made a single game on ps3 before.

I mean come onnn, you cant look at mgs4 and uncharted and say it's that bad...

But he never said it was "bad", he said it was not as good as the xbox360 hardware.

yes they are in fact saboteur was the first game with metal gear SOLIDgameplay

st1ka

Can you please stop embarrass yourself ???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saboteur_(video_game) - Look at it's genre... What does it say? ACTION

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_gear - Look at it's genre... Bingo STEALTH Action.

Please stop.

[QUOTE="ChrnoTrigger"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]

Well Kojima did invent the stealth action genre back in the 80's and again in 3D in the 90's. Before MGS games were all about shooting and MGS was the 1st game where it was about avoiding confrontation. Seriously I understand the PS3 is diffcult but the way this guy (Carmack) is talking is like he only worked on the PS3 once and couldn't get the hang of it so gave up, some programmer huh. PS2 was difficult and PS3 is easier then PS2 in the same time frame. Developers got the hang of PS2 and the same is happening with the PS3. The more you develope for the PS3 the easier it gets and you learn to get the best out of the Cell Processor. Carmack is just a big cry baby, I don't care how much experienced he is, if he was that experienced surely he would be able to crack the PS3 like soooo many other developpers are doing.

st1ka

Yeah in fact Kojima did create a genre. It's called stealth action. I think everyone knows that Sony's archetecture has always been tough to use but once through and it's all good. If he made another game I sure he'd still complain but not as much.

whackedjob213

first of all, that's not a genre, its sub-genre

secondly he didn't create it sega did

005

Beyond castle wolfenstein

Saboteur

all 3 of these games were createad before metal gear

Except none of them are stealth action games. Try harder.

yes they are in fact saboteur was the first game with metal gear SOLID gameplay

Uh, nowhere in the link you gave us did it say that the game has stealth elements..

[QUOTE="st1ka"]

yes they are in fact saboteur was the first game with metal gear SOLIDgameplay

Sollet

Can you please stop embarrass yourself ???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saboteur_(video_game) - Look at it's genre... What does it say? ACTION

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_gear - Look at it's genre... Bingo STEALTH Action.

Please stop.

tell me please have you played saboteur? Because if you have then you know of the stealth elements in the game

Uh, nowhere in the link you gave us did it say that the game has stealth elements..

ChrnoTrigger

all 3 of these games have stealth elements, you can get trough half of saboteur without even being detected (if you have god like skills that is)

[QUOTE="1xcalibur1"][QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="FragTycoon"][QUOTE="themyth01"]

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169112

"The only real advantage the ps3 has is the extra storage space"

He also says the Xbox360 has more memory available to use for development apart from the extra 10MB edram of the 360, because Sony's system uses more memory in non-gaming tasks. Is he wrong? or is the ps3 really simply just the weaker hardware?

themyth01

he is reluctant to work on a architecture he doesn't understand... good job with the making a duplicate thread btw.

I don't see any duplicate... You think Carmack doesn't understand the architecture? are you serious? do you know who this guy is?

Yeah he's a developer who never made a single game on ps3 before.

I mean come onnn, you cant look at mgs4 and uncharted and say it's that bad...

But he never said it was "bad", he said it was not as good as the xbox360 hardware.

Dude, he almost squealed like a little girl in that interview.

[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="FragTycoon"][QUOTE="themyth01"]

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169112

"The only real advantage the ps3 has is the extra storage space"

He also says the Xbox360 has more memory available to use for development apart from the extra 10MB edram of the 360, because Sony's system uses more memory in non-gaming tasks. Is he wrong? or is the ps3 really simply just the weaker hardware?

jliebel

he is reluctant to work on a architecture he doesn't understand... good job with the making a duplicate thread btw.

I don't see any duplicate... You think Carmack doesn't understand the architecture? are you serious? do you know who this guy is?

A cry baby

once you get passed the age of 12 you wont use the prase "cry baby" ever again

[QUOTE="Sollet"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

yes they are in fact saboteur was the first game with metal gear SOLIDgameplay

st1ka

Can you please stop embarrass yourself ???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saboteur_(video_game) - Look at it's genre... What does it say? ACTION

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_gear - Look at it's genre... Bingo STEALTH Action.

Please stop.

tell me please have you played saboteur? Because if you have then you know of the stealth elements in the game

No, I haven't.

A lot of game has "stealth elements" but that doesn't make em a stealth game.. For instance in Metroid Zero Mission you have a part as Zero Suit Samus yer suppose to avoid dectection etc.

There are parts in Wind Waker that makes you sneak around, does it make a stealth game? No.

So much damage control by the cows tonight

everyone knows this is what developers have been saying since the ps3 was released but you had to read between the lines.

props to carmack for having the stones to come out and say it

This Carmack guy need to give it a rest, and what's worst is that lems are taking his words like facts, but fail to realize that there are PLENTY of games and dev out there that actually has been or have worked on the ps3 that heavily contest his claim. The proof is in the pudding guys, the ps3 do have games that (visually) contest (or in some cases, beat out) the 360's best looking game to date.

KZ2, critics said that visually, this game isn't anywhere near short of amazing

Uncharted, 3 reviewers have stated that this game was the console graphics king during it's reign

MGS4, nearly every reviewer stated that this game is not only one of (if not) the best looking game on consoles to date visually, but they also said technically as well.

Yet, since this guy Carmack, created a genre that was a success, and knows computer hardware inside and out, all of a sudden, he knows what hes talking about. Quality dev like Activision and Ubisoft said that the ps3 was easy to develop for in which both companies produced quality games on the ps3 (COD4 and Assasins Creed) (something that Carmack has yet to do), but since Carmack is what he is, all of these credible statements just went out the window huh? Do mind yall lems, that the only game that looks to have surpass gears on the 360 and ran efficiently is gears2 after 2 years of exclusives:lol:, while games on the ps3 gets better and better in visuals. When "Carmack" makes a game that gets good praises like the games i gave above on the ps3, then his words IMHO can hold weight, but until then, his words means NOTHING!!!!!!!!!

by the way, didn't the people at Crytek (the ones that assisted in Crysis, which happens to be the generation's graphics king as of now) stated that the ps3 is more powerful? but since Cramack created a new genre and was successful at it, he can give pointers on how and what this gen is all about, but all in all, he hasn't made a single game on the ps3 or a game that looks better than Crysis? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So much damage control by the cows tonight

everyone knows this is what developers have been saying since the ps3 was released but you had to read between the lines.

props to carmack for having the stones to come out and say it

mephisto_11

[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="Sollet"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

yes they are in fact saboteur was the first game with metal gear SOLIDgameplay

Sollet

Can you please stop embarrass yourself ???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saboteur_(video_game) - Look at it's genre... What does it say? ACTION

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_gear - Look at it's genre... Bingo STEALTH Action.

Please stop.

tell me please have you played saboteur? Because if you have then you know of the stealth elements in the game

No, I haven't.

A lot of game has "stealth elements" but that doesn't make em a stealth game.. For instance in Metroid Zero Mission you have a part as Zero Suit Samus yer suppose to avoid dectection etc.

There are parts in Wind Waker that makes you sneak around, does it make a stealth game? No.

sorry for answering so late but it was 3AM and right now i'v got a party to go too so let me get this over with

The game was not about "stealth elements" and it didn't have parts where you could be stealthy, you had to be stealthy troughout the entire game

if you can't see the stealth in these games then there's nothing i can do for you

I have no problem admiting that Metal gear was better at it then them, but it was not the first

Gameplay video wolfenstein

you see how you have to dodge your enemies? how they only see you if you are in front of them you see how you don't have to fight them?

Gameplay video Saboteur

see the multiple paths? the cameras to avoid? see how the dogs act differently then soldiers? See that it's better to avoid enemies ?

"The only real advantage the ps3 has is the extra storage space"

"On the graphical side.. the 360 hardware is superior"

He also says the Xbox360 has more memory available to use for development apart from the extra 10MB edram of the 360, because Sony's system uses more memory in non-gaming tasks. Is he wrong? or is the ps3 really simply just the weaker hardware?

themyth01

Nice, i have both systems, and i am glad to know both are super powerfull, and 360 is not behind as many people here suggest

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]How long is this guy gonna continue bashing the PS3 ? We get it Carmack ! the PS3 made you cry, go to Kojima for some lessons damn it !st1ka

I don't agree nor do i disagree with Carmack but that made me laugh, please tell me did Kojima invent a genre?

[QUOTE="st1ka"]

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]How long is this guy gonna continue bashing the PS3 ? We get it Carmack ! the PS3 made you cry, go to Kojima for some lessons damn it !hiryu3

I don't agree nor do i disagree with Carmack but that made me laugh, please tell me did Kojima invent a genre?

no he didn't

and before i go (this is my last post on GS for the rest of the day)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_game