Casuals>Hardcore gamers

Hardcore gamers seem to think that Casuals are bringing about the decline of quality gaming but in reality they are responsible for the ridiculous growth of the gaming industry. So, I have to ask why all the hate?

I agree.

Define hardcore and casual....Ibacai

No one here can.

Just play what makes you happy and tell all the nerds to shut up.

[QUOTE="Ibacai"]Define hardcore and casual....goblaa

No one here can.

Just play what makes you happy and tell all the nerds to shut up.

Define hardcore and casual....Ibacai

Hardcore gamers seem to think that Casuals are bringing about the decline of quality gaming but in reality they are responsible for the ridiculous growth of the gaming industry. So, I have to ask why all the hate?

starwarsgeek112

Cooking Mama is the future apparently.Yay us.

I do not care how many people are gaming. I just want the games to be of high quality and depth.

The hate is due to the fact that in spite of the newfound breadth of the games industry, it has been drying up the depth to expand. It's a shallow pool that covers the whole mall when what I'm looking for is an indoor swimming pool with a dive board.Brownesque

Except that there have still been plenty of deep games coming out in recent years. In fact games are generally of a higher quality then they have ever been before. And even if you don't agree with that... I'd still rather have a shallow pool than no pool at all.

People who don't care what category they fall into > people that do careSkittles_McGee

Yeah but theirs also a decreasing quality in games as well.

Casual gamers might be responsible for the growth of the industry but will it be a good thing if say 10 years from now, motion gaming shovelware and appstore quality games are the norm and games with story, depth and high production values are no longer made and deemed profitable due to casual crap selling like hotcakes?

Its not about accepting change because hardcore gamers are those that have gamed from the Atari or NES days and have grown up and changed with the gaming industry. Using CD format was a good change that benefited gaming, the jump from 2d to 3d was good for gaming, d-pad to analogue sticks was a good change for gaming but you cannot be serious if you think the dumbing down of games and making everything easy to play by all ages by flooding the marketplace with gimmicky party games or motion crap will benefit gaming in anyway at all.

The gaming industry was never threatened to go under (in recent years) so I would rather it didn't expand and the games be of good quality.

On a somewhat related note it is my opinion that there is no such thing as a hardcore or casual gamer, but gamers and non gamers.The mother who buys a wii soshe can play with her kids a couple times a week is not a "casual gamer" because she isn't a gamer.

Casual gamers might be responsible for the growth of the industry but will it be a good thing if say 10 years from now, motion gaming shovelware and appstore quality games are the norm and games with story, depth and high production values are no longer made and deemed profitable due to casual crap selling like hotcakes?

Its not about accepting change because hardcore gamers are those that have gamed from the Atari or NES days and have grown up and changed with the gaming industry. Using CD format was a good change that benefited gaming, the jump from 2d to 3d was good for gaming, d-pad to analogue sticks was a good change for gaming but you cannot be serious if you think the dumbing down of games and making everything easy to play by all ages by flooding the marketplace with gimmicky party games or motion crap will benefit gaming in anyway at all.

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Casual gamers might be responsible for the growth of the industry but will it be a good thing if say 10 years from now, motion gaming shovelware and appstore quality games are the norm and games with story, depth and high production values are no longer made and deemed profitable due to casual crap selling like hotcakes?

Its not about accepting change because hardcore gamers are those that have gamed from the Atari or NES days and have grown up and changed with the gaming industry. Using CD format was a good change that benefited gaming, the jump from 2d to 3d was good for gaming, d-pad to analogue sticks was a good change for gaming but you cannot be serious if you think the dumbing down of games and making everything easy to play by all ages by flooding the marketplace with gimmicky party games or motion crap will benefit gaming in anyway at all.

cainetao11

Thank-you.

It would help though if games had a respectable award show though. A lot of film production companies release great films just to try and get an emmy. The spike VGAs are just a massive joke that help prove to the world that video games are for teenage males and no one else.

Games need a proper award ceremony and something like sundance.

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]People who don't care what category they fall into > people that do carecainetao11

Growth is bad if quality suffers.

Some people still don't understand this. Who cares if everyone is playing games if the games suck?

Core gamers are the best. Growth sucks if it cheapens & ruins what used to be awesome, & hardcores are elitist's.

Growth is bad if quality suffers.

Some people still don't understand this. Who cares if everyone is playing games if the games suck?

Shadow2k6

Core gamers are the best. Growth sucks if it cheapens & ruins what used to be awesome, & hardcores are elitist's.

Twin-Blade

[QUOTE="Twin-Blade"]

Core gamers are the best. Growth sucks if it cheapens & ruins what used to be awesome, & hardcores are elitist's.

subrosian

You're probably right, but this is system wars. Your logic isn't welcome here. And I don't believe the jerk elitist group has any major detrimental effect on video games, besides community focused games like MMOs. If anything, there are plenty of interesting games aimed at that group. It's 'casuals' that are killing what I used to love.

There's no such thing as a "core gamer"; that's just a marketing term made up to make it sound like casual gaming isn't in fact a huge threat to the console as you know it.

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]The hate is due to the fact that in spite of the newfound breadth of the games industry, it has been drying up the depth to expand. It's a shallow pool that covers the whole mall when what I'm looking for is an indoor swimming pool with a dive board.starwarsgeek112

Except that there have still been plenty of deep games coming out in recent years. In fact games are generally of a higher quality then they have ever been before. And even if you don't agree with that... I'd still rather have a shallow pool than no pool at all.

And some of these so called "Casual" games are MUCH deeper and MUCH more fun than any of the so called "harda-corda gamagas" out there like the nth iteration of CoD. Ex. It Girl. I got my wife to thank for this one. one factor during it Girl is that you need your friends if you want to be successful, especially during PvP fight! So my wife dragged me into the game just so she can have more "Clique Memebers" so she can win better during PvP. And guess what? It went to hell for me from there! I now spend more time on this game than on my X360! Yeah, it's a game for girls, but so WHAT?!?!? It is fun, have full stuff to do, and most of all, downright pleasant and easy! You don't need to break your brains thinking about tanks, DD's, RDS, MDS, Refresh, WS, MB etc, etc, etc, (Anyone played FFXI should understand what I'm talking about) . And in the end, that's what games SHOULD BE about, fun and your enjoyment of it!

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Twin-Blade"]

Core gamers are the best. Growth sucks if it cheapens & ruins what used to be awesome, & hardcores are elitist's.

Twin-Blade

You're probably right, but this is system wars. Your logic isn't welcome here. And I don't believe the jerk elitist group has any major detrimental effect on video games, besides community focused games like MMOs. If anything, there are plenty of interesting games aimed at that group. It's 'casuals' that are killing what I used to love.

How? What have "casuals" done to gaming? What is "ruined"? Be SPECIFIC.

There's no such thing as a "core gamer"; that's just a marketing term made up to make it sound like casual gaming isn't in fact a huge threat to the console as you know it.

garrett_daniels

[QUOTE="Twin-Blade"]

[QUOTE="subrosian"] We don't make any distinction when we label all homeless people as "hobos", but the moment someone turns the table and starts calling gamers "hardcore" or "junkies", people start trying to define varying degrees of obsession. I'm not implying that videogames are bad, of course, but I find the idea of varying degrees of "core" to be somewhat laughable. - We're just splitting hairs at that point, that somehow one group of people who spends a great deal of time playing videogames is "core" (and therefore super awesome) while another group is hardcore (and therefore jerk elitist who are ruining gaming forever, dontchaknow).subrosian

You're probably right, but this is system wars. Your logic isn't welcome here. And I don't believe the jerk elitist group has any major detrimental effect on video games, besides community focused games like MMOs. If anything, there are plenty of interesting games aimed at that group. It's 'casuals' that are killing what I used to love.

How? What have "casuals" done to gaming? What is "ruined"? Be SPECIFIC.

The Wii has been a massive hit. I bought a Wii, & except for a decent game here & there, I hated it. Now it's spread to the PS3 & 360 with Kinect & Move. Now, I sold my Wii & only owned a 360, but after all this Kinect fiasco & with the only exclusive I'm looking forward to next year being Gears 3, I'm buying a PS3 as well. Microsoft focused too much on Kinect & it seems they felt they didn't need first party support. Hopefully Sony doesn't do the same with the move.

I prefer substance over bells & whistles. But hey, too each their own.

Define hardcore and casual....Ibacai

There are such things as Hardcore & Casual gamers and it can be defined. Just like in sports, you have regular players and then you have Allstars and ProBowl type players.

There's no such thing as a "core gamer"; that's just a marketing term made up to make it sound like casual gaming isn't in fact a huge threat to the console as you know it.

garrett_daniels

Core gamer was made up by nerds who want to sound cool. Please there is nothing hard about gaming and all games are supposed to be casual

The Wii has been a massive hit. I bought a Wii, & except for a decent game here & there, I hated it. Now it's spread to the PS3 & 360 with Kinect & Move. Now, I sold my Wii & only owned a 360, but after all this Kinect fiasco & with the only exclusive I'm looking forward to next year being Gears 3, I'm buying a PS3 as well. Microsoft focused too much on Kinect & it seems they felt they didn't need first party support. Hopefully Sony doesn't do the same with the move.

I prefer substance over bells & whistles. But hey, too each their own.

Twin-Blade

The games library of 2011 was determined by the poor economy of 2008 and 2009, not by the release of the Kinect this holiday season. Developers weren't sitting around going "y'know, 2011 is when the Kinect will surprise everyone by selling well, let's stop making games". No, they were sitting around in 2008 going "we don't have any money, our stocks have tanked, our future sales are looking to be way down". Publishers said "we need to conserve cash as much as possible, we don't know how long the economy will take to recover".

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And look what happens - your 2011 catalog is all sure-fire sellers and games that were already paid for... so how did casuals specifically cause that? Did casual gamers cause the global investment collapse? Did casuals cause the financial sector meltdown?

Define hardcore and casual....Ibacai

1.people that doesnt play that often.

2. prefer kinect over real HARDCORE game.

3. dont check out gamesite.

4. When playing fps they dont set sensitivity.

[QUOTE="Ibacai"]Define hardcore and casual....kenchen23

1.people that doesnt play that often.

2. prefer kinect over real HARDCORE game.

3. dont check out gamesite.

4. When playing fps they dont set sensitivity.

I think you mean dudebro casual and non-gamers.

Casuals attract shovelware, which can bring down the quality of other games. Xbox 360 is gonna be "all about kinect" in 2011, because of casuals.

Growth in the industry =/= Better industry. Growth in the industry is what attractspeople who would love to exploit that growth.

A no, its great gaming is growing, but now companies have more half done games becuase the casual, less core gamers will buy them. Look at cod, or madden or guitar hero.

most gamers are casual. people who only play FPS or party games or only sports games are casual. they do not venture out nor enjoy GAMING. A hrdcore gamer is someone who enjoys and plays GAMES a huge variety of genres and playstyles. If you do not then you are casual. most madden players are casual gamers who play madden all year. the same can be said for most cod players. most of you guys are casual. I started with an oddessy 2 in 79. I love games all geners and playstyles rpg, rts, fps, mmo, sports, puzzle, handheld, phone, console ect. traditional or motion. I had a powerglove. casuals run gaming we all know that but hardcore gamers will get what they need too, so just relax.