cell vs xenon

how much more powerful is the ps3's cell cpu compared with 360s xenon cpu? i heard it was 1/3 more powerful and it can actually act as a gpu in some ways? gunboat

A lot of people don't understand that the cell processor is essentially a second graphics processor. It can do rendering, and floating point calculations just as well as the best of them.

So now the whole RAM thing isn't really an issue anymore now is it?

Xenon is mostly more powerfull for games, as developers can take advantage of its simple yet effective architecture more easily.

Cell is a bit more like server CPU which makes itpreatty much useless for gaming.

There are alot of websites out htere that explain both CPU's.

Next time b4u create a thread asking something, go and google it first. Other wise this looks like another flaim bait.

[QUOTE="gunboat"]how much more powerful is the ps3's cell cpu compared with 360s xenon cpu? i heard it was 1/3 more powerful and it can actually act as a gpu in some ways? AskForDetails

U have no idea of what u talking about. In that video 3 ps3 are used to calculate one object and basic scene. It is just an example of how u can apply complex calculations to cell.

This type of thing may only be used in games in next 3rd generation or so. There is no real visual advantage in ray tracing unless the model and the world is detail good enought.

Btw here is that video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLte5f34ya8

Xenon is mostly more powerfull for games, as developers can take advantage of its simple yet effective architecture more easily.

Cell is a bit more like server CPU which makes itpreatty much useless for gaming.

There are alot of websites out htere that explain both CPU's.

Next time b4u create a thread asking something, go and google it first. Other wise this looks like another flaim bait.

Fruity_mixer

[QUOTE="Fruity_mixer"]

Xenon is mostly more powerfull for games, as developers can take advantage of its simple yet effective architecture more easily.

Cell is a bit more like server CPU which makes itpreatty much useless for gaming.

There are alot of websites out htere that explain both CPU's.

Next time b4u create a thread asking something, go and google it first. Other wise this looks like another flaim bait.

AskForDetails

Im sick and tired arguing withalikes of you. Srsly googleit and learn howand what for theSPEs are used. Im sure if u are not a fan boy ull realise that im correct quite quickly when uread some creadible article.

Also if are still confused by the end of ur researchgo with oppinions of INDEPENDEDNT game developers. Say John Carmac for example

My quadcore pwns the Cell, sony hype machine isn't anything speciall.-wii60-

true that. Even a standard PC Intel P4 is more usefull then Cell of Xenon cos of limited buffers and in order execution.

[QUOTE="AskForDetails"][QUOTE="Fruity_mixer"]

Xenon is mostly more powerfull for games, as developers can take advantage of its simple yet effective architecture more easily.

Cell is a bit more like server CPU which makes itpreatty much useless for gaming.

There are alot of websites out htere that explain both CPU's.

Next time b4u create a thread asking something, go and google it first. Other wise this looks like another flaim bait.

Fruity_mixer

Im sick and tired arguing withalikes of you. Srsly googleit and learn howand what for theSPEs are used. Im sure if u are not a fan boy ull realise that im correct quite quickly when uread some creadible article.

Also if are still confused by the end of ur researchgo with oppinions of INDEPENDEDNT game developers. Say John Carmac for example

[QUOTE="Fruity_mixer"]

Xenon is mostly more powerfull for games, as developers can take advantage of its simple yet effective architecture more easily.

Cell is a bit more like server CPU which makes itpreatty much useless for gaming.

There are alot of websites out htere that explain both CPU's.

Next time b4u create a thread asking something, go and google it first. Other wise this looks like another flaim bait.

excelR83

:lol: Hypocrisy and irony at their absolute finest.

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

[QUOTE="Fruity_mixer"][QUOTE="AskForDetails"][QUOTE="Fruity_mixer"]

Xenon is mostly more powerfull for games, as developers can take advantage of its simple yet effective architecture more easily.

Cell is a bit more like server CPU which makes itpreatty much useless for gaming.

There are alot of websites out htere that explain both CPU's.

Next time b4u create a thread asking something, go and google it first. Other wise this looks like another flaim bait.

AskForDetails

Im sick and tired arguing withalikes of you. Srsly googleit and learn howand what for theSPEs are used. Im sure if u are not a fan boy ull realise that im correct quite quickly when uread some creadible article.

Also if are still confused by the end of ur researchgo with oppinions of INDEPENDEDNT game developers. Say John Carmac for example

GO AND READ so u can pretend that u are a Know-it-all. Untill then... Besides Killzone2 is by a first purty sony stupid isnt it? Ofcourse they gona promote PS3 hardware in any way possible. Thats what they get paid for.

[QUOTE="-wii60-"]My quadcore pwns the Cell, sony hype machine isn't anything speciall.excelR83

A quadcore pwns your Wii and 360 too, doesn't it.

[QUOTE="Fruity_mixer"]

Xenon is mostly more powerfull for games, as developers can take advantage of its simple yet effective architecture more easily.

Cell is a bit more like server CPU which makes itpreatty much useless for gaming.

There are alot of websites out htere that explain both CPU's.

Next time b4u create a thread asking something, go and google it first. Other wise this looks like another flaim bait.

excelR83

:lol: Hypocrisy and irony at their absolute finest.

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

I would love too see a reasonable argument here, but instead all i see is MOOO

[QUOTE="gunboat"]how much more powerful is the ps3's cell cpu compared with 360s xenon cpu? i heard it was 1/3 more powerful and it can actually act as a gpu in some ways? AskForDetails

The scene isn't complex at all. Also, every CPU can render 3D graphics on its on. Ever heard of 3Dmark? It benchmarks 3D graphics just using the CPU(way more complex than what the Cell is rendering). Thats just to show you your error. Please stop trying to make it seem like the Cell is this super processor. lol

Err...but cell is PS3 CPU, Xenon is X360 GPU....u should be comparing RSX and Xenon.joeychew

PS3 CPU = Cell

360 CPU = Xenon

PS3 GPU = RSX

360 GPU = Xenos

[QUOTE="joeychew"]Err...but cell is PS3 CPU, Xenon is X360 GPU....u should be comparing RSX and Xenon.Nagidar

PS3 CPU = Cell

360 CPU = Xenon

PS3 GPU = RSX

360 GPU = Xenos

oh..my mistake.

My quadcore pwns the Cell, sony hype machine isn't anything speciall.-wii60-

your like the biggest lemming ever, you just hate SONY and the PS3. thats just pathetic, just admit that at the moment the CELL is more powerfull, like i would admit that at the moment LIVE is better then PSN.

of course your PC is better then a ps3, cause its a PC...most PC's are better then any console. when it comes to power atleast.

fanboys are so annoying now a days...i miss the good old PS1 days, even though i was young :P. :o im wise! haha

[QUOTE="-wii60-"]My quadcore pwns the Cell, sony hype machine isn't anything speciall.mgs_freak91

your like the biggest lemming ever, you just hate SONY and the PS3. thats just pathetic, just admit that at the moment the CELL is more powerfull, like i would admit that at the moment LIVE is better then PSN.

fanboys are so annoying now a days...i miss the good old PS1 days, even though i was young :P. :o im wise! haha

[QUOTE="mgs_freak91"]

[QUOTE="-wii60-"]My quadcore pwns the Cell, sony hype machine isn't anything speciall.-wii60-

your like the biggest lemming ever, you just hate SONY and the PS3. thats just pathetic, just admit that at the moment the CELL is more powerfull, like i would admit that at the moment LIVE is better then PSN.

fanboys are so annoying now a days...i miss the good old PS1 days, even though i was young :P. :o im wise! haha

i edited my post mate, im just talking about the 360 and ps3...even though ima cow as you put it...it doesnt mean that i dont accept the opinions of others and by the general public. you dont accept that the PS3 is better in any way.

the Cell is better at Linear Processing, and it requires a lot of coding to make it work right. But when it is, oh boy!

The problem is that not everything that's done to work with conventional CPUs will work with the Cell, sometimes programs have to be rewritten from scratch to work; which is why many people see developing for the PS3 as a waste of money, since it requires intensive coding(this is the reason a lot of games dont even use the cell! one game being the orange box and why it probably wasnt a very good port, because they didnt want to take the time to rewrite the code to make it run on the cell)

But please dont think the 360s cpu ison par with the cell because it's not even close really.

quad-core does not own the cell at all, in a pc inviroment yes it would murder the cell, but in something like folding at home it would destroy a quadcore, the cell and quad-core cant be compared really because there so different, but if you take the time to properly code for the cell it can go beyond what a quad-core could do, but because the cell is so different and code has to be rewritten developers still arnt bothering to do this and it's why the ps3 is suffering but there is no doubt at all ps3 games will eventually look better than 360 games.bigLLL

You can have the most powerfull CPU around... but without a good GPU your gaming machine won't do much.

the Cell is better at Linear Processing, and it requires a lot of coding to make it work right. But when it is, oh boy!

The problem is that not everything that's done to work with conventional CPUs will work with the Cell, sometimes programs have to be rewritten from scratch to work; which is why many people see developing for the PS3 as a waste of money, since it requires intensive coding(this is the reason a lot of games dont even use the cell! one game being the orange box and why it probably wasnt a very good port, because they didnt want to take the time to rewrite the code to make it run on the cell)

But please dont think the 360s cpu ison par with the cell because it's not even close really.bigLLL

no no no, the cell is better at parallel processing. it's a superscalar simd processor which means each unit can calculate multiple things at once, as opposed to a desktop scalar cpu (like a quad core) that can only process one thing at a time per unit. I must say however, the cell has a lot more peak power tnat the xenon.

The PS3'sCellis an insane number cruncher. This isn't disputed. Only those ATIx1950's can fold faster, albeit with much more limited calculations. It can do more calculations than the Xenon per second. This is also not diputed. What is disuputed is will dev's actually be able to effectively use it for games. Parallel processing is supposed to be the future, and eventually dev's are gonna have to deal with this fact, but the PS3 is definitely the odd man out in how to approach it from a programming standpoint. We could end up with some insane 1st and 2nd party games, with a big graphics rift for the 3rd parties unable to swing it *glares at EA.* UE3 will probably become very popular on the PS3 for the smaller devs.mbrockway

any modern high-end gpu (newer than the x1900 series) would fold faster than an x1900, its just that the gpu folding client only wrks on an x1900, an 8800 would destroy anything at folding, as would an x3800

Xenon is mostly more powerfull for games, as developers can take advantage of its simple yet effective architecture more easily.

Cell is a bit more like server CPU which makes itpreatty much useless for gaming.

There are alot of websites out htere that explain both CPU's.

Next time b4u create a thread asking something, go and google it first. Other wise this looks like another flaim bait.

Fruity_mixer

You do know Xenons are name of intel's server processors =/.

Whoops it's Xeon D:

[QUOTE="Fruity_mixer"]

Xenon is mostly more powerfull for games, as developers can take advantage of its simple yet effective architecture more easily.

Cell is a bit more like server CPU which makes itpreatty much useless for gaming.

There are alot of websites out htere that explain both CPU's.

Next time b4u create a thread asking something, go and google it first. Other wise this looks like another flaim bait.

jangojay

You do know Xenons are name of intel's server processors =/

no, that's a Xeon.

[QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Fruity_mixer"]

Xenon is mostly more powerfull for games, as developers can take advantage of its simple yet effective architecture more easily.

Cell is a bit more like server CPU which makes itpreatty much useless for gaming.

There are alot of websites out htere that explain both CPU's.

Next time b4u create a thread asking something, go and google it first. Other wise this looks like another flaim bait.

ehal256

You do know Xenons are name of intel's server processors =/

no, that's a Xeon.

Lol yea I realised that a bit late. Spelling is so close it threw me off

Xenon is mostly more powerfull for games, as developers can take advantage of its simple yet effective architecture more easily.

Cell is a bit more like server CPU which makes itpreatty much useless for gaming.

There are alot of websites out htere that explain both CPU's.

Next time b4u create a thread asking something, go and google it first. Other wise this looks like another flaim bait.

Fruity_mixer

oh yeah? bethesda, EA,traveller's tales, and pandemic studios, for example, do not agree with you:

http://www.gamesradar.com/us/ps3/game/features/article.jsp?sectionId=1003&articleId=20071220152324335039&releaseId=20060314115917309058

"Fallout 3's Executive Producer Todd Howard - from Oblivion developer Bethesda - understands that PS3 "has more than enough power. No single game is using it all yet - not even close". Back at E3 in July '07, Mercenaries 2 Lead Designer Scott Warner claimed their game was only using 30% of PS3's power - while EA's Chief Visual Officer Glenn Entis claimed their launch games like Fight Night 3 only tapped 20%. The figures sound hokum, but it wasn't until five years into PS2's life cycle that games tapped even 90% of its power - a statistic measured by Sony's Performance Analyser tools, yet to be released on PS3.

Lighting effects will improve, claim middleware experts Geomerics. "Games will look more natural, with awesome reflection effects. None of our lighting is pre-calculated, as 'pre-baking' lightmaps is still industry practice. PS3's power means we can use effects that were previously reserved for Hollywood, or high-end CGI applications and giant render farms.""

"Once you put the effort in and start to understand the hardware, you can see PS3's huge technical potential," Connell told us, observing that "the SPUs [Synergistic Processor Units] are key to unlocking PS3's flexibility. The SPUs challenge us to come up with completely new tech ideas and to develop new features around them. We are going to see the quality of PS3 titles improve for many years to come as people get to grips with them. It might turn out that things we've not even thought of end up best demonstrating the power of PS3."

if the RSX isn't that much more powerful than 360's GPU (or maybe it is?), i can't guess where thatprocessing powercomes from...

read it all if you have the time. there's a lot of nice things to read. the title of the article by games radar is "Why the power of the PS3 will shine in 2008"

[QUOTE="Fruity_mixer"][QUOTE="AskForDetails"][QUOTE="Fruity_mixer"]

Xenon is mostly more powerfull for games, as developers can take advantage of its simple yet effective architecture more easily.

Cell is a bit more like server CPU which makes itpreatty much useless for gaming.

There are alot of websites out htere that explain both CPU's.

Next time b4u create a thread asking something, go and google it first. Other wise this looks like another flaim bait.

AskForDetails

Im sick and tired arguing withalikes of you. Srsly googleit and learn howand what for theSPEs are used. Im sure if u are not a fan boy ull realise that im correct quite quickly when uread some creadible article.

Also if are still confused by the end of ur researchgo with oppinions of INDEPENDEDNT game developers. Say John Carmac for example

[QUOTE="mbrockway"]The PS3'sCellis an insane number cruncher. This isn't disputed. Only those ATIx1950's can fold faster, albeit with much more limited calculations. It can do more calculations than the Xenon per second. This is also not diputed. What is disuputed is will dev's actually be able to effectively use it for games. Parallel processing is supposed to be the future, and eventually dev's are gonna have to deal with this fact, but the PS3 is definitely the odd man out in how to approach it from a programming standpoint. We could end up with some insane 1st and 2nd party games, with a big graphics rift for the 3rd parties unable to swing it *glares at EA.* UE3 will probably become very popular on the PS3 for the smaller devs.ehal256

any modern high-end gpu (newer than the x1900 series) would fold faster than an x1900, its just that the gpu folding client only wrks on an x1900, an 8800 would destroy anything at folding, as would an x3800

Thats why I said only the X1950's fold faster, the 8800gtx's ain't exactly folding now, are they?

[QUOTE="Fruity_mixer"]

Xenon is mostly more powerfull for games, as developers can take advantage of its simple yet effective architecture more easily.

Cell is a bit more like server CPU which makes itpreatty much useless for gaming.

There are alot of websites out htere that explain both CPU's.

Next time b4u create a thread asking something, go and google it first. Other wise this looks like another flaim bait.

jangojay

You do know Xenons are name of intel's server processors =/.

Whoops it's Xeon D:

I got Xeon 3.6 GHZ on my pc atm, and ill tell u wat, it is RUBBISH for gaming. All heavy duty audio software works smooth tho.

My quadcore pwns the Cell, sony hype machine isn't anything speciall.-wii60-

Amen.

The results speak for themselves.