CGI Artist Analyzes Killzone. Calls it "Fake Lighting"

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#1 LittleHands134
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http://ps3thevolution.com/2009/03/09/killzone-2-smoke-and-mirrors-from-a-cgi-artist/

Hmm... Have you seen the article yet?

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#4 AlexSays
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Talk about nit-picking. :P
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#5 glenn2709
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That's a long post, anyway fake or not Killzone 2 looks amazing so who cares ?
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#6 LittleHands134
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Stickeyblue_hazy_basic
The sticky is about the 9.0 rating, and it's already over 200 something pages.
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Jealousy.

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#8 Innovazero2000
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you do realise that a lot of killzone 2's lighting is tricks? The outcome is beautiful, but it's not nearly as dynamic or precise as you'd believe. There was an article on it forever ago, i'll have to find it.

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#9 ActicEdge
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Fake lighting, real lighting, I'd never be able to tell so what's the big deal? Unless you are super paranoid about graphics I don't think it would bother any one.

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#10 grr320
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http://ps3thevolution.com/2009/03/09/killzone-2-smoke-and-mirrors-from-a-cgi-artist/

Hmm... Have you seen the article yet?

LittleHands134

unreal engine 3 is obviously one of the best they use ue3.0 for making cgi for kids cartoon show on nickoloden.

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#11 HoldThePhone
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It's a videogame, of course it's fake 0_o
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It's game. Everything is fake.
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#13 FragTycoon
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"Real lightning" might effect my electronics..... :|

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#14 deactivated-5f19d4c9d7318
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Doesn't make killzone look any worse though does it? Besides playing in 720p shows a lack of resources and unprofessionalism, if you want to compare details you should be in 1080p, i mean it just makes the thing seem fake,
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don't care

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#16 mangas
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"I went into this with a totally open mindset. I went into this saying to myself maybe, just maybe I am about to witness something historical. Wrong! KillZone 2 is the most misleading game blessed with a hype machine that proves PS3 owners are truly desperate for a game they can call their 'Halo' or 'Gears'. The sad thing about desperation is it can hide the truth and it's victims will never know but alas i am here to expose the truth once and for all."

The underlined words prove that this guy is a frustrated lemming. His previous article must have been about MGS4 on the Xbox 360. Sad.

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DC has hit rock bottom. :lol:

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all the cows say kz2 is the better than geow2 but truth it it's not. :lol: at all the fanboy responses to it on the other site.
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#19 lundy86_4
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The guys a CGI "Artist"... Computer Generated Imagery is all fake. Does he even know how to code? CGI is set, whereas a game can be oriented into a number of different viewpoints, making this guy an idiot.

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#20 grr320
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He's saying the lighting is a mix of prerendered shadows aka lightmaps and realtime/per pixel/dynamic lighting.

The reviewer really doesnt seem to know what he's talking about though.

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#21 _Pinbot_
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Fake games have fake lighting. Its a video game.

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DC has hit rock bottom. :lol:

StratSec

The 5 Stages of getting Killzowned (By Lionheart08 ):

1) Learning the truth
For years this game was attacked. Cows were ridiculed for believing that this game would be good. Then the AAAes started pouring in and the general reaction of the haters were...

2) Realizing it lived up to hype
Not only did the graphics deliver but Killzone averaged majority AAAe. The initial reaction will be shock and the one special "Oh Crap" within the haters.

3) Denial:
Despite the glaring evidence that it's AAAe title there will be denial. I mean hey, it got a 9.0 so it must make it a "lower-end AAA." Or better yet "So much for teh Halo-Killer." These type of excuses will be created just to deny that the game is actually good.

4) Desperate Attacks:
Soon this denial will be turned into glaring despisement. Multiple threads will be created outside of the sticky, complaining how this game is overrated, comparing game pics to Resident Evil 5 and Gears of War 2 in attempts to prove it's not graphics kings. If it doesn't manage to sell 1.5-2 million in a single week it'll be deemed an automatic sales flop. Or the inevitable; "You guys know you hyped it AAAA!" Doesn't matter how minor. Like every other attack there will be one glaring problem, the game lived up to hype and thes

5) And when all else fail, attack again and fail again:
Much like MGSIV, there will be threads months after the release of the. Maybe Yathzee really hated the game, maybe a review the gives it a less than stellar review will be glorified as if it's one and true truth. These attacks will continue, and much like the previous they'll still be full of desperation and failure.

from the first page of the sticky ;)

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#23 grr320
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even crysis lighting is fake, i was in a mineshaft i shot out the light source the lights went out but it didnt go totally dark, but how the hell was i able to see still when there was no lightsources?

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#25 TheAnnihilation
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[QUOTE="StratSec"]

DC has hit rock bottom. :lol:

FragTycoon

The 5 Stages of getting Killzowned (By Lionheart08 ):

1) Learning the truth
For years this game was attacked. Cows were ridiculed for believing that this game would be good. Then the AAAes started pouring in and the general reaction of the haters were...

2) Realizing it lived up to hype
Not only did the graphics deliver but Killzone averaged majority AAAe. The initial reaction will be shock and the one special "Oh Crap" within the haters.

3) Denial:
Despite the glaring evidence that it's AAAe title there will be denial. I mean hey, it got a 9.0 so it must make it a "lower-end AAA." Or better yet "So much for teh Halo-Killer." These type of excuses will be created just to deny that the game is actually good.

4) Desperate Attacks:
Soon this denial will be turned into glaring despisement. Multiple threads will be created outside of the sticky, complaining how this game is overrated, comparing game pics to Resident Evil 5 and Gears of War 2 in attempts to prove it's not graphics kings. If it doesn't manage to sell 1.5-2 million in a single week it'll be deemed an automatic sales flop. Or the inevitable; "You guys know you hyped it AAAA!" Doesn't matter how minor. Like every other attack there will be one glaring problem, the game lived up to hype and thes

5) And when all else fail, attack again and fail again:
Much like MGSIV, there will be threads months after the release of the. Maybe Yathzee really hated the game, maybe a review the gives it a less than stellar review will be glorified as if it's one and true truth. These attacks will continue, and much like the previous they'll still be full of desperation and failure.

from the first page of the sticky ;)

:lol:

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#26 II_Seraphim_II
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Does it matter? Its like the age old lesson when learning 3D modeling, why use polygons when you can use a texture? Same applies here, why waste your time doing "real" lighting when "fake" lighting looks just as good?
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#27 PCgamer687
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[QUOTE="grr320"]

even crysis lighting is fake, i was in a mineshaft i shot out the light source the lights went out but it didnt go totally dark, but how the hell was i able to see still when there was no lightsources?

Interesting, i recall though that GG said without their lighting engine the game would just be pitch black, o well. btw i never tried that in crysis warhead, i should really replay that game just remebered how much i love it...
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#28 Tekkenloving
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if you actually read it you can see it's aa rather funny rent.
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#29 tok1879
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http://ps3thevolution.com/2009/03/09/killzone-2-smoke-and-mirrors-from-a-cgi-artist/

Hmm... Have you seen the article yet?

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LOL!! WOW! Bitter much? I thought tricks were normal when it comes to graphics and programming in general?
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#30 swazidoughman
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Most games have all sorts of tricks to achieve a certain level of visuals without having every effect dynamic.

With some games static effects are better done than in another game.

KZ2 is a really well made polished game, so it doesn't matter that some things aren't dynamic.

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#31 killerfist
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Fake lighting? What's next... everything is fake in this game!!
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#32 aflakian
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Wow, nothing but poorly written diatribe.
The only thing smart about that analysis was the writers' request to remain anonymous.

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#33 yoyo462001
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wow, okay everything he says is right but whats the point...
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#34 Teuf_
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Sticky sticky sticky http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26778118&tag=topics;title.