Clandestine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mEeu1e0R54

This game might be ass cheeks (it's probably ass cheeks), I don't know I haven't played it yet, it was 25 bucks, and I felt like taking one for the team and actually said "**** it, I'm gonna take a blind shot a game." Why? Because I like spy-fiction stuff and more so because the way they described the 2-player broop in this game is rad as hell.

So this no name developer whose game might play like ass cheeks and completely not worthy of my 25 bucks, created a cold war era spy game, where the coop is this asymmetrical thing where one player gets to play the spy, you are basically Tom Cruise in Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol, and the other player is the dweeby nerdy dude whose hacking stuff and helping out The Cruise Missile, who Cruise Control tells to open that one prison door and stuff in the opening of the movie.

SP wise you have to play as both characters, but as a coop idea, it actually sounds super cool, more importantly it's fucking different from anything else I've seen try this. So there you go @Bobrossperm, this is why the triple A side gets no defense for not coming up with some creative shit.

It's gimmicky, it might have its own short comings (I mean how much variety can you come up with for hacking), but again it would be something different. It makes me wonder why coop is always done in the most static and predictable ways these days or it's a damn horde mode. Like Gears 1 had those moments where your paths would diverge and one player had to take care of one thing , and another took care of something else, and it added to the experience.

And I always wondered why more coop games aren't like that, like what if there were entirely separate missions that had to be played at the same time to get the job done? That would be kind of cool. Or take something like Halo 5 (naturally you don't do this with Halo, but raw concept here), one player plays as Chief doing his march to get his AI poon tang, and the other one plays as Locke as he tries to hunt him down, it's a bit adversarial, but just brain storming here. I want to see someone come up with stuff that isn't the norm, take a shot in the dark.

Other reason I made this topic: Where the **** are my spy games?

How is it that 007 has been on a good run lately and Mission Impossible has had 2 of its better films the last 2 times by, and we can't get a proper spy game from the triple A space? All these pseudo stealth elements being shoe horned into shooters (Uncharted, Tomb Raider, The Last of Us, Watchdogs), where you play a character meant to be more believable, but they have a kill count higher than James Bond? And we can't get more bond.

How is it that Microsoft has Perfect Dark as a IP, and there are countless FPS studios out there they could hire for this project, they could even let 343 take a crack at it so 343 has something else to do in between Halo games. Pretend PD64 and Zero never happened, reboot it, make her more of a spy, make it a third person game, take some cues from the most recent Deus Ex game, and instead of rpg elements, it's about using the cool perfect dark gadgets or something.

Why did Black Tusk who teased what probably looked like a potential spy game get turned into a Gears of War factory?

Why is it that Sony can fund bottled farts, but Syphon Filter (not that the games were good, the concept was good) can't get a proper triple A production from one of their real teams? Or one of their real teams could make something cool instead of butt hole ass infamous or god of war.

Why can't Nintendo...okay let's not even waste our time there.

What if like you made it a rpg, so you like no skill bastards had a chance at competing a stealth game about thinking. And it was like you got to make really cool choices, Obsidian could make it, it would probably be good game. Right? Right?

Point is, dear game industries

1: I'd like some spy stuff back. You don't need to make sequels to No One Lives Forever or Syphon Filter, hell don't make Perfect Dark, ignore what I said. Make new ips for all I care, but if I'm going to play characters with a license to kill, make them fun, and entertaining, and charming, and spies. Because they are fucking rad

2: Coop games, we had coop games last gen that actually did some new things with coop, and then that settled into the same formulaic shit as well. Please try newer things, sincerely Champ.

preemptive counters

You people: Champ those games wouldn't sell, those games are too hardcore

No silly dweeb, there is no such thing as a hardcore game. There exist good games, that are simply marketed poorly. If you can't sell spy-fiction and a novelty in an era when everything gets called out for being samey, you and your inability to promote that is the problem.

Looks like a heavily scripted, linear "stealth" shooting game. No thanks!

I agree. Where the spy games at?

Big studios can't afford to make anything that can't sell in the billions. It's a sad video gaming world we live in. Remember on the PS2 when we'd get all types of games. Sure you had your trends and lead genres but that didn't snuff out all other game types in the process. This gaming landscape frightens me for the future of my favorite hobby. Day after day I'm saddened that fallout 4 glitch fest gets a 9 and something like Rodea the Sky Soldier can't garner one review from gamespot.com

Not enough middle tier on these consoles man, people dissed games like Ninja Blade and games like Velvet Assassin, they weren't good games necessarily (good god no), and yeah sure "less bad games" is a good thing on some level, but the medium isn't richer with those games no longer existing or no one taking a shot. Given how bizarre the concepts could be, how daring some of them could be, or just in general where they could bet more on gameplay and depth of content (the indie space is the best example of this) vs triple A production value polish (and they aren't polished anymore, so why anyone defends these triple A games is beyond me).

Never mind that for the longest our triple A of today, were the middle tier of back then. Hitman wasn't this super expensive project in its era, Bioware wasn't making blockbuster produced games, Doom was done by like 13 people, Bungie was a fucking mac dev until they hit primetime. The Witcher is a text book example of a game that was on a shoe string budget, but punched so far above its weight class, and look at Witcher 3. The Souls games, they aren't triple A purest sense these days (their budgets are definitely not in the same department), but Demon's Souls is totally done on a more modest budget, it became this big thing through sheer gameplay and word of mouth. It's become a relatively popular series.

This is why we can't have nice things. Same thing with the Wii's hidden stuff, people can argue that some of those games weren't good, but it would be incorrect to say that the medium is better for a lack of Zack and Wiki, A Red Steel 2, A little King's story, or yeah that Rodea the Sky Soldier.

It looks like Syphon Filter, but shitter.

I really hope I'm wrong when I say AAA gaming won't have another paradigm shifting game. New things can always come, but every major fundamental thing just might have already been done. Just like in music, TV, film, books. All we can hope for are well executed games. Wether they have a lot of depth, or are just good fun to play. Though that doesn't mean a Demon's Souls type change can't happen every once in awhile I guess. But expecting Naughty Dog who's games are made and projected to sell 7+ million units to do something 'different' is unrealistic. That's sad I know, but honestly leave it to the smaller teams who haven't as much to loose.

I just want a AAA action adventure like Zelda or Metroid to happen. A new gen one made by some really good developer. Not open world, maybe Metroidvania/Dark Souls, but not open world. And not an RPG either because I'm sick and tired of them really.

@bobrossperm: Paradigm shifts aren't necessary, you can still be creative in the retail space. People forget it wasn't that long ago that Sony used to fund prestige projects like Shadow of the Colossus. That wasn't a paradigm shift, but it wasn't some vanilla ass game either.

Casino Royale and Mad Max: Fury Road aren't part of new ips, but those films actually provide a novelty in their subject matter, their tone, and in Fury Road's case the actual camera work presented an action movie quite different from a lot of stuff over the past few years. You couldn't really dismiss them as more 007 or more Mad Max. You can do that with Skyfall and what ever sequel to Fury Road they make, but again that's beauty of a novelty. I don't need the next big thing bobert, just the next new thing.

That and if Sony can't market "From the Creators of The Last of Us and Uncharted" so Naughty Dog can take a shot in the dark, that's on them. They don't get sympathy for it though, I get free reign to complain that they are too safe. It's why we created the internet. The complaining. Get that praise shit out of here.

I think of games like No More Heroes, Killer 7, Lollipop Chainsaw, Killer is Dead, and Shadows of the Damned. Is there room for weird Suda 51 games anymore?

I take it all back, the industry is better without them.

I would imagine he has to do his thing as a downloadable game these days? But given that some jrpgs are coming back, he might be able to find a pub.

lol c'mon

Anyway yeah please can we have more spy games. Pretty please include light RPG elements and trading cards to further add to the experience.

I just watched the trailer for that. Oh dude, do you hate your money. Not even I can stomach that kaka gunplay. How the hell will you be able to.

Also what happened to your backlog.

What that was actually kind of rad in Gears 1, I remember playing with my roommate at the time and thinking oh this is neato. And having the other player **** up and restart took away the cheapness of coop where you really did it to cheese the high difficulties. Gears 2 added more sprawling spaces at parts where you did it more naturally instead of hitting a button, and it was a neat improvement on that. A little gimmicky? Sure. But was it better than "You can play as Masterchief, the arbiter, and 2 fucking elites no one fucking ever heard of"? Damn fucking right it was. Helps that Gears mechanics out right lend themselves better to that stuff, but that's also not the point.

Batman got a reboot and his video games got a reboot. 007 got a reboot, and we don't have a 007 game reboot yet.

This isn't a bad thread.

Broop, one of my boys was like I'll suffer this with you, and I was like okay, okay I'm willing to down this dark path. I've played Resident Evil 6 bro, I've done Destiny strikes in broop. This can't be worse lol.

My backlog is there to have games added to it.

I think The Last Guardian will surely be big scoped and creative on some level, that's very likely. But Horizon Zero Dawn for instance? It's a much bigger budget project and I expect it to be largely tried and true shit with an interesting premise. And no, most games that are 'out there' aren't paradigm shifts because they are too 'out there'. Halo was a paradigm shift, Half Life, Gears, because they changed the way a genre was percieved. Shadow Of The Colossus stands alone as something very unique.

I see what you're saying about new things. Something like a mechanic or a way of playing that is cool and never quite done like that before. But even then, I'm at a loss to what that would even be. Especially in the AAA space. But shit, I wouldn't leave that to Naughty Dog, or any other of the big name western developers. We could look at what indies are doing and try and incorporate that into a big game in some way, like Ratchet ACIT has some Braid like time recording puzzles, probably not as well executed, but it's nice to see.

Yeah so my advice to AAA devs is look to what the indie people are doing if they really are to spice their games up.

Right? Douche bag in a bat suit with mommy n daddy issues gets proper treatment. Fun loving, world saving, trail blazing, kiss stealing, wheeling dealing son of a gun James Bond got stuck with wii game, a Wii game, a remake of a n64 wii game. Such disrespect.

I would love for spy games to return, but the fact you spent $25 on this game hurts me. Why would you do something so foolish?

ikr

It literally had my reasons for purchasing it in the op, what do they no longer teach english in Middle Earth and New Detroit?

I think Activision's been trying to reboot 007 since they got the license in 2006.

Every single attempt has bombed.

The Pierce Brosnan games were rad though. Everything or Nothing is absolute top notch. Better than Goldeneye even. It had Mya, Shannon Elizabeth, and Heidi Klum. So much win.

I wonder what kind of game it would be. Maybe feel a little like a Hitman style game? Some sneaking without needing to always be sneaking. A sprinkling of Batman, SC Conviction, and Assassin's Creed style movement and fighting. I wonder what the hook would be, though. The rebooted Batman games got a new hook with some fighting mechanics and other such goodness.

What would a 007 game hook be? Rather than complain about what we don't have, let's just fix this for the gaming industry (which all watch this forum) so they know what to make.

Maybe the hook could be unusual and fun gizmos and gadgets? It sounds like it makes sense, but the new Bond movies aren't quite as much about the gadgets as they once were. Hard to say...

Did not play that one, truth be told. I did play one Bond game on my friend's GameCube for a while. Felt a little like TimeSplitters 2. We had fun with that one. Quite a bit of fun, actually.

@jg4xchamp: I would highly recommend you play Gunpoint on Steam. It really feels like you're committing espionage and it's very fun and open ended.

I have gunpoint.

Third person, done FPS one too many times, do it in third person, playstyle. I want something in line with the pseudo-stealth action games we got now, but with what Deus Ex HR does in terms of your options. Gadgets out the ass, multiple solutions to a mission, multiple objectives in a mission, and tone's gotta be in line with fun bond. I like Daniel Craig's bond, but lets not pretend gaming devs can deliver Casino Royale, we'll be lucky if we get Octopussy from them.

Batman works better brooding, campy batman is silly. Bond in a video game needs to be fun, brooding Bond is like great, you took all the fun out of it lol

looks worse than Watch Dogs but I'm sure won't get berated as such

@jg4xchamp: Okay, just thought I'd recommend it since it's a very fun spy game.

Quality of the game wasn't the point (I think I led with the game is probably ass cheeks), it's what the game does and is whether or not executed I am saying. When something that janky can at least try, and all the triple A space can give me is "but the budgets" excuse, it gets a bit harder to accept. Especially from Ubisoft, especially from Watch Dogs which was about as fun to play as watching paint dry.

das sum good ass VO mane....10/10

Did anyone notice the 1st guys voice sounded exactly like the DARPA Chief from Metal Gear Solid.