Close to 300 people working on Metal Gear Solid 4 (56k=pretty screenies)

:o that's a big team

(but it includes teams working on outsourced material too)

Source: Koji Pro Podcast

Can't wait to see more of this game :)

some screenies just for kicks: 

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell 

I wish they would show us something new.

Just something. 

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell

LawLo_O

oh yes cant deny teh powa of the almighty CELL

>_>

A lot of people don't always mean a good, thing. It means more people you have to keep up to date with, more tasking you have to supply to keep everyone busy,and overall can get pretty confusing. spinecaton

That's why they're outsourcing some of the work 

Small teams can work just as good, if not better then large teamsspinecaton

I don't think a game like MGS4 would be possible w/ a small team 

[QUOTE="LawLo_O"]

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell

fuzzysquash

umm...no.

That is madness!!! :o

I want to see something new. :(
foxhound_fox

Hehe 300...

Well to those saying that want to see new stuff well I personally think it's better this way, I really wouldn't like them showing stuff all the time, I already feel kinda spoiled after seeing Raiden. I remember playing MGS without much info on what was going to happen on it and that's the best way more unknown, shocking twists.

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"][QUOTE="LawLo_O"]

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell

Chris-Hansen

umm...no.

Mass Effect will have massive environments :?

btw, I deleted my original post cause I realized Lawlo_O said "Xbox" and not "Xbox 360", though he probably meant the latter 

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="fuzzysquash"][QUOTE="LawLo_O"]

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell

fuzzysquash

umm...no.

Mass Effect will have massive environments :?

btw, I deleted my original post cause I realized Lawlo_O said "Xbox" and not "Xbox 360", though he probably meant the latter 

well you didnt answer my killzone question and i really doubt mass effect will have the environments MGS4 will have, didnt they say armies will be battling and a war is going on and you can just pass right by or join in the fight etc ? mass effect is nice but MGS4 is a whole nother level.Chris-Hansen

I didn't answer your Killzone question because I don't know the answer to your Killzone question. What am I, the walking Sony encyclopedia?

Btw, after the E3 trailer, I'm not so sure you'll be fighting "armies." The only battles shown in the trailer were battles between teams of 5-6 guys. They might be bigger in the actual game, but we'll see.

And Mass Effect will feature real-time battles between your team of 2 followers and teams of all different kinds of aliens. Also, it will have an innovative, real-time dialogue system that MGS4 won't have, not to mention deep RPG elements.

Both games have their strong and weak points, you can't say one is on a "whole other level" than the other. 

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]A lot of people don't always mean a good, thing. It means more people you have to keep up to date with, more tasking you have to supply to keep everyone busy,and overall can get pretty confusing. fuzzysquash

That's why they're outsourcing some of the work

Small teams can work just as good, if not better then large teamsspinecaton

I don't think a game like MGS4 would be possible w/ a small team

It could be done with a smaller team. With a smaller team, the developers would be worked like slaves though.

 [QUOTE="LawLo_O"]

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell

abusedbunny

oh yes cant deny teh powa of the almighty CELL

>_>

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]A lot of people don't always mean a good, thing. It means more people you have to keep up to date with, more tasking you have to supply to keep everyone busy,and overall can get pretty confusing. majadamus

That's why they're outsourcing some of the work

Small teams can work just as good, if not better then large teamsspinecaton

I don't think a game like MGS4 would be possible w/ a small team

It could be done with a smaller team. With a smaller team, the developers would be worked like slaves though.

Yeah, but it wouldn't be the same level of quality within the same time frame. And larger teams, divided into smaller components can exploit comparative advantages. I personally feel reassured to hear that such a big team is working on it. 

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"]well you didnt answer my killzone question and i really doubt mass effect will have the environments MGS4 will have, didnt they say armies will be battling and a war is going on and you can just pass right by or join in the fight etc ? mass effect is nice but MGS4 is a whole nother level.fuzzysquash

I didn't answer your Killzone question because I don't know the answer to your Killzone question. What am I, the walking Sony encyclopedia?

Btw, after the E3 trailer, I'm not so sure you'll be fighting "armies." The only battles shown in the trailer were battles between teams of 5-6 guys. They might be bigger in the actual game, but we'll see.

And Mass Effect will feature real-time battles between your team of 2 followers and teams of all different kinds of aliens. Also, it will have an innovative, real-time dialogue system that MGS4 won't have, not to mention deep RPG elements.

Both games have their strong and weak points, you can't say one is on a "whole other level" than the other. 

MGSIV is looking mighty fine.

I hope it's great finale for the series, but I know it will be. I wouldn't mind if they left the ending open for an MGSV, although I wouldn't be happy if Kojima doesn't have anything to do with it.

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"]well you didnt answer my killzone question and i really doubt mass effect will have the environments MGS4 will have, didnt they say armies will be battling and a war is going on and you can just pass right by or join in the fight etc ? mass effect is nice but MGS4 is a whole nother level.fuzzysquash

I didn't answer your Killzone question because I don't know the answer to your Killzone question. What am I, the walking Sony encyclopedia?

Btw, after the E3 trailer, I'm not so sure you'll be fighting "armies." The only battles shown in the trailer were battles between teams of 5-6 guys. They might be bigger in the actual game, but we'll see.

And Mass Effect will feature real-time battles between your team of 2 followers and teams of all different kinds of aliens. Also, it will have an innovative, real-time dialogue system that MGS4 won't have, not to mention deep RPG elements.

Both games have their strong and weak points, you can't say one is on a "whole other level" than the other. 

downgrade + blur??????apolloluke

 

fuzzysquash

Downgrade+blur? The only downgrade going on here is lower resolution pictures than what they were originally saved as.

These screens are very old. From last year, perhaps. There has been no new content. None. So what downgrade is possible? We haven't seen anything from these developers in a huge amount of time.

For all you know (and this is likely, considering it applies to Halo 3, Ratchet and Clank, Lair, and some other games), this is alpha footage. So whatever. 

downgrade + blur??????apolloluke

Interesting how some lemmings make these types of comments, yet when it comes to Halo 3 beta it's "Halo was never about graphics" or "that's not HD footage, you can't judge the game's graphics."

and yet all the screens I posted were just trailer footage captures from an early version of MGS4.

mind you, not all lemmings are like that, but for those that are...yeah...

[QUOTE="apolloluke"]downgrade + blur??????fuzzysquash

Interesting how some lemmings make these types of comments, yet when it comes to Halo 3 beta it's "Halo was never about graphics" or "that's not HD footage, you can't judge the game's graphics."

and yet all the screens I posted were just trailer footage captures from an early version of MGS4.

mind you, not all lemmings are like that, but for those that are...yeah...

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]

 

yoshi_64

lol, first time I saw it was a very "wtf" moment :P

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]

yoshi_64

 Anyways to the ones saying ''blur'' my screen caps have little blur.

well you do seem to know a lot of stuff when it comes to sony so yeah i thought you would know, my fault i guess.

and when you consider the pedigree of the kojima team and the pedigree of bioware IMO MGS4 is a whole nother level, a real time dialogue system isnt a substitute for great gameplay and a deep rpg is a game like shin megami tensei:nocturne not what ive seen or heard of this game. im not hating on mass effect i think it will be a great game but when people call it an RPG i cringe cus it looks more like a shooter to me, a dynamic dialogue system isnt quite what makes an RPG for me.

ive played and beat MGS2 and 3, as well as KOTOR and jade empire. i was much more impressed with MGS2 and 3 and that is why i think MGS4 will be the next level.Chris-Hansen

well, my b man. I didn't mean to snap at you.

I personally think ME will be great. There is much more to the role-playing elements than just the dialogue system. I'm personally looking forward more to MGS4 (because I'm a big MGS fanboy), but I think ME will be great too. 

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell 

LawLo_O

360 could not handle WHAT graphics, you definatyl do not mean the above, those look like utter garbage, let aside that the detail around is zero, i understand the hype, but this game looks BAD, end of story

BTW MAss Effect in case you missed it, will have 100x the massive enviroments than MGS4 narrow streets

Wow, every single cow better buy this game or kojima will seriously have to port it to the 360...munu9

QFT.  that's a massive investment.  I hope it pays of for them. 

[QUOTE="LawLo_O"]

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell

greg_splicer

360 could not handle WHAT graphics, you definatyl do not mean the above, those look like utter garbage, let aside that the detail around is zero, i understand the hype, but this game looks BAD, end of story

Kameo looks better, right nasos? :wink: 

[QUOTE="LawLo_O"]

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell

greg_splicer

360 could not handle WHAT graphics, you definatyl do not mean the above, those look like utter garbage, let aside that the detail around is zero, i understand the hype, but this game looks BAD, end of story

Splinter Cell DA looks better too. 

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell

LawLo_O

[QUOTE="LawLo_O"]

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell

das_beck

Why not? Those are early shots. 

[QUOTE="greg_splicer"][QUOTE="LawLo_O"]

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell

fuzzysquash

360 could not handle WHAT graphics, you definatyl do not mean the above, those look like utter garbage, let aside that the detail around is zero, i understand the hype, but this game looks BAD, end of story

Kameo looks better, right nasos? :wink: 

Not better, FAR better, far bigger environment, far more detailed shaders on walls, rocks, GROUND (that in MGS4 looks like a joke), far more polygons around, grass/trees etc simply put MGS4 looks last gen comparing

Did i mension the HUGE Kameo view distance ? The dynamic water ? The day/night cycles, things MGS4 can only dream of

[QUOTE="munu9"]Wow, every single cow better buy this game or kojima will seriously have to port it to the 360...Dreams-Visions

QFT.  that's a massive investment.  I hope it pays of for them. 

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"][QUOTE="greg_splicer"][QUOTE="LawLo_O"]

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell

greg_splicer

360 could not handle WHAT graphics, you definatyl do not mean the above, those look like utter garbage, let aside that the detail around is zero, i understand the hype, but this game looks BAD, end of story

Kameo looks better, right nasos? :wink:

Not better, FAR better, far bigger environment, far more detailed shaders on walls, rocks, GROUND (that in MGS4 looks like a joke), far more polygons around, grass/trees etc simply put MGS4 looks last gen comparing

Did i mension the HUGE Kameo view distance ? The dynamic water ? The day/night cycles, things MGS4 can only dream of

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

[QUOTE="munu9"]Wow, every single cow better buy this game or kojima will seriously have to port it to the 360...Chris-Hansen

QFT. that's a massive investment. I hope it pays of for them.

word.  but that doesn't mean the movie won't suck.  the history of game-to-movie movies is a long and ugly one.  rare is the game that successfully jumps to the big screen. 

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"][QUOTE="greg_splicer"][QUOTE="LawLo_O"]

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell

greg_splicer

360 could not handle WHAT graphics, you definatyl do not mean the above, those look like utter garbage, let aside that the detail around is zero, i understand the hype, but this game looks BAD, end of story

Kameo looks better, right nasos? :wink:

Not better, FAR better, far bigger environment, far more detailed shaders on walls, rocks, GROUND (that in MGS4 looks like a joke), far more polygons around, grass/trees etc simply put MGS4 looks last gen comparing

Did i mension the HUGE Kameo view distance ? The dynamic water ? The day/night cycles, things MGS4 can only dream of

dude, you're so funny.

You're ban-dodging, and yet you don't even bother to change your posting style. 

I find it REALLY funny that when i  say Kameo is better than any PS3 game, there is not even one sony fanboy that can say ANYTHING about it, since they would try to counter the obvious, it is understandable, but at least you could give it a try

You could for example say "no MGS4 has better textures" but see, that would 1000% false, and you would look like a fool, that is why i have not seen A SINGLE FANBOY POST stating WHY actually thinks Kameo is not better than Lair, MGS3, FF13 etc, obviously because it IS better and by far

 you see that one strain of hair when snakes smoking that cig? thats so last gen other than that the game looks great

(thats fanboys these days just kidding the game looks amazing) 

Spilter Cell could have 1000000000000x the graphics of MGS4 but I'd still by MGS4 over SC any day. Far better gameplay and story IMO.