Close to 300 people working on Metal Gear Solid 4 (56k=pretty screenies)

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

[QUOTE="munu9"]Wow, every single cow better buy this game or kojima will seriously have to port it to the 360...Dreams-Visions

QFT. that's a massive investment. I hope it pays of for them.

word.  but that doesn't mean the movie won't suck.  the history of game-to-movie movies is a long and ugly one.  rare is the game that successfully jumps to the big screen. 

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

[QUOTE="munu9"]Wow, every single cow better buy this game or kojima will seriously have to port it to the 360...Chris-Hansen

QFT. that's a massive investment. I hope it pays of for them.

word. but that doesn't mean the movie won't suck. the history of game-to-movie movies is a long and ugly one. rare is the game that successfully jumps to the big screen.

uwe boll. I think.

Spilter Cell could have 1000000000000x the graphics of MGS4 but I'd still by MGS4 over SC any day. Far better gameplay and story IMO.

ShrabsterJoe

At least you have the courage to admit it looks sub par

I find it REALLY funny that when i  say Kameo is better than any PS3 game, there is not even one sony fanboy that can say ANYTHING about it, since they would try to counter the obvious, it is understandable, but at least you could give it a try

 

You could for example say "no MGS4 has better textures" but see, that would 1000% false, and you would look like a fool, that is why i have not seen A SINGLE FANBOY POST stating WHY actually thinks Kameo is not better than Lair, MGS3, FF13 etc, obviously because it IS better and by far

greg_splicer

I find it REALLY funny that when i say Kameo is better than any PS3 game, there is not even one sony fanboy that can say ANYTHING about it, since they would try to counter the obvious, it is understandable, but at least you could give it a try

 

You could for example say "no MGS4 has better textures" but see, that would 1000% false, and you would look like a fool, that is why i have not seen A SINGLE FANBOY POST stating WHY actually thinks Kameo is not better than Lair, MGS3, FF13 etc, obviously because it IS better and by far

greg_splicer

Maybe beacuse none of those are out to compare except for MGS3 which is a PS2 game 0_O 

[QUOTE="greg_splicer"]

I find it REALLY funny that when i  say Kameo is better than any PS3 game, there is not even one sony fanboy that can say ANYTHING about it, since they would try to counter the obvious, it is understandable, but at least you could give it a try

 

You could for example say "no MGS4 has better textures" but see, that would 1000% false, and you would look like a fool, that is why i have not seen A SINGLE FANBOY POST stating WHY actually thinks Kameo is not better than Lair, MGS3, FF13 etc, obviously because it IS better and by far

Chris-Hansen

Art ****has nothing to do with the PS3 inability to make good textures, shaders and polygons, ok ?

Here is TEXTURES and LIGHTING

Here is VIEW DISTANCE

Here is POLYGONS

how about WATER ?

Now, those above are IMPRESSIVE, anything i see of MGS4 is clearly not, Call of duty 3 is easier to the eye than this game too

[QUOTE="apolloluke"]downgrade + blur??????fuzzysquash

Interesting how some lemmings make these types of comments, yet when it comes to Halo 3 beta it's "Halo was never about graphics" or "that's not HD footage, you can't judge the game's graphics."

and yet all the screens I posted were just trailer footage captures from an early version of MGS4.

mind you, not all lemmings are like that, but for those that are...yeah...

Really? Kameo looks THAT good? How about a Launch title for ya bro. If you wanna compare.

You my friend are owned. By a Launch Game Even. Look at that crisp and bright DETAIL. LOL and MGS4 will look better than this bro, so face up. You wanna get better graphics, you gotta pay up.

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="greg_splicer"]

I find it REALLY funny that when i  say Kameo is better than any PS3 game, there is not even one sony fanboy that can say ANYTHING about it, since they would try to counter the obvious, it is understandable, but at least you could give it a try

 

You could for example say "no MGS4 has better textures" but see, that would 1000% false, and you would look like a fool, that is why i have not seen A SINGLE FANBOY POST stating WHY actually thinks Kameo is not better than Lair, MGS3, FF13 etc, obviously because it IS better and by far

greg_splicer

Art ****has nothing to do with the PS3 inability to make good textures, shaders and polygons, ok ?

Here is TEXTURES and LIGHTING

Now, those above are IMPRESSIVE, anything i see of MGS4 is clearly not, Call of duty 3 is easier to the eye than this game too

[QUOTE="greg_splicer"][QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="greg_splicer"]

I find it REALLY funny that when i  say Kameo is better than any PS3 game, there is not even one sony fanboy that can say ANYTHING about it, since they would try to counter the obvious, it is understandable, but at least you could give it a try

 

You could for example say "no MGS4 has better textures" but see, that would 1000% false, and you would look like a fool, that is why i have not seen A SINGLE FANBOY POST stating WHY actually thinks Kameo is not better than Lair, MGS3, FF13 etc, obviously because it IS better and by far

Chris-Hansen

Art ****has nothing to do with the PS3 inability to make good textures, shaders and polygons, ok ?

Here is TEXTURES and LIGHTING

Now, those above are IMPRESSIVE, anything i see of MGS4 is clearly not, Call of duty 3 is easier to the eye than this game too

That is CGI right? :?

Really? Kameo looks THAT good? How about a Launch title for ya bro. If you wanna compare.

 

 

You my friend are owned. By a Launch Game Even. Look at that crisp and bright DETAIL. LOL and MGS4 will look better than this bro, so face up. You wanna get better graphics, you gotta pay up.

thedarkomen

That wa the joke of the day, right ? That looks worst than COD2

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="greg_splicer"][QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="greg_splicer"]

I find it REALLY funny that when i  say Kameo is better than any PS3 game, there is not even one sony fanboy that can say ANYTHING about it, since they would try to counter the obvious, it is understandable, but at least you could give it a try

 

You could for example say "no MGS4 has better textures" but see, that would 1000% false, and you would look like a fool, that is why i have not seen A SINGLE FANBOY POST stating WHY actually thinks Kameo is not better than Lair, MGS3, FF13 etc, obviously because it IS better and by far

PS3_3DO

Art ****has nothing to do with the PS3 inability to make good textures, shaders and polygons, ok ?

Here is TEXTURES and LIGHTING

Now, those above are IMPRESSIVE, anything i see of MGS4 is clearly not, Call of duty 3 is easier to the eye than this game too

That is CGI right? :?

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell

LawLo_O

well cell is CPU and GPU is GPU ... Graphic Processing Unit and Central Processing Unit

this game  look interesting

[QUOTE="LawLo_O"]

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell

WatsonC

well cell is CPU and GPU is GPU ... Graphic Processing Unit and Central Processing Unit

this game  look interesting

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"][QUOTE="LawLo_O"]

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell

Chris-Hansen

umm...no.

yes, it's a great pic, great gfx. but it doesn't feel so natural as MGS' pics... i don't know, looks like someone added his head in the body with photoshop. 

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="fuzzysquash"][QUOTE="LawLo_O"]

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell

SambaLele

umm...no.

yes, it's a great pic, great gfx. but it doesn't feel so natural as MGS' pics... i don't know, looks like someone added his head in the body with photoshop.

Lol, great pic, looks like the guy from lost. 

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell 

LawLo_O

BWAhahahahahahahahhahahahahahah

yes,yes.. the Cell.. hahahahahahah !

I wonder what takes 300 people. I've always wondered how huge teams divy up the work such that they don't overlap and things fit together well in the end.Dreams-Visions

I wonder what takes 300 people. I've always wondered how huge teams divy up the work such that they don't overlap and things fit together well in the end.Dreams-Visions

Well, you probably have the group split up into engineering and design, with roughly 1/4 to 1/3 in the first category.  In the engineering group, you've got your leads programmers, your graphics engine programmers, your sound programmers, your tools programmers, your testers, your network programmers, etc.  In the design group, you've probably got around 50% of the total team working on generating art or assets of some sort.  This includes 3D models, textures, normal-maps, and sprites.  Then you'll have people actually designing the levels, people handling gamplay elements, people handling animation/motion-capture, people writing dialogue, people working on music, and of course Kojima himself.  It's a huge project, managing it all is probably hell. 

A lot of people don't always mean a good, thing. It means more people you have to keep up to date with, more tasking you have to supply to keep everyone busy, and overall can get pretty confusing. Small teams can work just as good, if not better then large teamsspinecaton

Just curious to know if you actually ever developed a next-gen game yourself?

Looks good, but still not as good as Gears of War.wapahala

 all in good time bro

remember how Kojima works. Fans of metal gear often focus on the gameplay and epic storyline of the series, but even i forget how incredible the graphics are. Metal gear solid 2 on playstation 2 looks a helluva a lot better than games that came 2 years after it. This isn't some ubisoft port lol

i reckon mgs4 and the final killzone 2 (not the cgi trailer) will be very close easily as good as gears.

Mass effect goty 2007, mgs4 goty 2008

I forgot how good MGS4 looks, I'mma gonna go watch teh trailerz.

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]

 

yoshi_64

I'll try to explain this one as best as I can. Just about every soldier except Raidenovich wouldn't even think about looking at that statue for more than 3 seconds. 3 seconds isn't much time to check the details of that statue and thus, Young Snake is perfectly safe unless someone absolutely hates the statue and blows it up. And plus, he's covering his eyes in shame because of the awkward position.

And to foxhound's comment, THIS IS MGS4!!!

so much talk about the graphics yet hardly any talk about anything else..

yes this could be done on the 360 quite easily it doesnt blow me away...yes it looks very good but it doesnt surpass GEoW. 

I am aware your prob thinking now its at early stages it will look alot better....better then the best looking 360 game...doubt it.

not gettin a ps3 just for this game it would be madness

1. Any word of how the game is BESIDES THE GRAPHICS?

2. 300 people working for several years on a game that's exclusive to PS3 which currently has a userbase of.. 3 million? I'd break sweat.

there is NO WAY any other platform could change the texture on snakes suit at will.Tasman_basic

And how do you know this? Are you a developer?

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell

LawLo_O

Stop making stuff like this up. I hope this game only comes out on PS3 as i need to justify my purchase of the console, but to say it couldn't run on 360 is blind.

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell

LawLo_O

Is that what SONY told you? :lol:

so much talk about the graphics yet hardly any talk about anything else..

yes this could be done on the 360 quite easily it doesnt blow me away...yes it looks very good but it doesnt surpass GEoW. 

I am aware your prob thinking now its at early stages it will look alot better....better then the best looking 360 game...doubt it.

not gettin a ps3 just for this game it would be madness

beerm_basic

If they could do COD3 on 360, they can do that game easilly

[QUOTE="LawLo_O"]

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell 

GXR

BWAhahahahahahahahhahahahahahah

yes,yes.. the Cell.. hahahahahahah !

Look great, except for the ground textures, fix them please!Marka1700

glad someone else noticed, shhh...your not sposed to see that.

maybe its cos bluray disks havent got enough space? :P (JOKE)

[QUOTE="LawLo_O"]

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell 

GXR

BWAhahahahahahahahhahahahahahah

yes,yes.. the Cell.. hahahahahahah !

Best response ever. Kutaragi must be on here hyping "teh CEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL". Pathetic

[QUOTE="SambaLele"][QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="fuzzysquash"][QUOTE="LawLo_O"]

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell

thejakel11225

umm...no.

yes, it's a great pic, great gfx. but it doesn't feel so natural as MGS' pics... i don't know, looks like someone added his head in the body with photoshop.

Lol, great pic, looks like the guy from lost.

t shin like it's metal. 

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell

readingfc_1

Yeah, that's gotta be tough - do a quick check to see what the texture map is for the item Snake is up against (ground, rock, wall, etc.) and apply that texture to his uniform.  Wow.  That was impressive.  :roll:

I wonder what takes 300 people.  I've always wondered how huge teams divy up the work such that they don't overlap and things fit together well in the end.Dreams-Visions

 That includes mocap actors, voice actors, musicians.

Then each section is given to a team, such as Character Team, Objects Team, Stage Team, then they each get around 20 peoople.

Next gen graphics require more like to make, so if you have more people you can get it done fast.

Seeing as how one person can only do one thing at a time, thats what takes so many.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]I wonder what takes 300 people. I've always wondered how huge teams divy up the work such that they don't overlap and things fit together well in the end.Teufelhuhn

Well, you probably have the group split up into engineering and design, with roughly 1/4 to 1/3 in the first category. In the engineering group, you've got your leads programmers, your graphics engine programmers, your sound programmers, your tools programmers, your testers, your network programmers, etc. In the design group, you've probably got around 50% of the total team working on generating art or assets of some sort. This includes 3D models, textures, normal-maps, and sprites. Then you'll have people actually designing the levels, people handling gamplay elements, people handling animation/motion-capture, people writing dialogue, people working on music, and of course Kojima himself. It's a huge project, managing it all is probably hell.

well, that was very informative :)

*goes off to start development studio*

*first game flops*

:cry: 

wow...that's a lot of money to payrolll...

they're gonna have to sell a TON to recoup costs...  with less than 2 million ps3 on the market, i just dont' see it happening...

this is why i think it'll eventually make it to the 360... simply to recoup costs....

looks good tho...

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell

LawLo_O

Why cant the 360 handle the Camo? It dosent look that complecated.  

wow...that's a lot of money to payrolll...

 

they're gonna have to sell a TON to recoup costs... with less than 2 million ps3 on the market, i just dont' see it happening...

this is why i think it'll eventually make it to the 360... simply to recoup costs....

looks good tho...

tango90101

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell

LawLo_O

yeah right. all they need to do is reprogram the camo code to use a 360 thread instead of an spe.

Get Real man. Mass Effect doesn't even come close.
Back on topic, wow 300 thats certainly a big number, i bet half of them are working on the port :| But its interesting too see how Hideo plans on filling all the blu-ray space. 

Thie game will be amazing.