Close to 300 people working on Metal Gear Solid 4 (56k=pretty screenies)

[QUOTE="LawLo_O"]

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell

Ontain

yeah right. all they need to do is reprogram the camo code to use a 360 thread instead of an spe.

EXACTLY.  Too many people are taking the delveopers words for things instead of using their own head.  They apparently dont understand that the delopers have alliances and want to protect their intersts.  If saying soemthing like "Only the cell can do this" causes 300,000 people to purchase a PS3 over a X360, and 25% of those poeple purchase MSG4, then youve generated almost 4 million bux for yourself (750,000 * $50).  Not to mention the kickbacks and back patting done from Sony.

 The camo can be done on the X360 just as effectively.  It just has to be programmed in a different manner to account for the different architecture.

I see a bad side to this, it takes almost 300 people years to make a PS3 game that can compete with Gears of war :roll:.csliney

WOW, its like a fanboy roll call in here, this is going to be a massive hit and is looking good (sony's history of overhype will make me reserve judgment) but what with all these claims of cell pwnage, the cell isnt even mentioned in the topic.

Ah well, enjoy your game and all the best, (ive never been a MGS fan)

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell

LawLo_O

Okay,stop being stupid!You know that even Gears could pwn this MGS4 graphics that your "hyping" about.And don't even get me started in MAss Effect graphics.  

[QUOTE="LawLo_O"]

xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell

black_awpN1

Why cant the 360 handle the Camo? It dosent look that complecated.  

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]I wonder what takes 300 people. I've always wondered how huge teams divy up the work such that they don't overlap and things fit together well in the end.Teufelhuhn

Well, you probably have the group split up into engineering and design, with roughly 1/4 to 1/3 in the first category. In the engineering group, you've got your leads programmers, your graphics engine programmers, your sound programmers, your tools programmers, your testers, your network programmers, etc. In the design group, you've probably got around 50% of the total team working on generating art or assets of some sort. This includes 3D models, textures, normal-maps, and sprites. Then you'll have people actually designing the levels, people handling gamplay elements, people handling animation/motion-capture, people writing dialogue, people working on music, and of course Kojima himself. It's a huge project, managing it all is probably hell.

"I see!"
-The Blind Man

Get Real man. Mass Effect doesn't even come close.
Back on topic, wow 300 thats certainly a big number, i bet half of them are working on the port :| But its interesting too see how Hideo plans on filling all the blu-ray space. 

Thie game will be amazing. 

Adrian_Cloud

Mass effect looks so good. What is that awfull blurry low res pic underneath?

[QUOTE="apolloluke"]downgrade + blur??????fuzzysquash

Interesting how some lemmings make these types of comments, yet when it comes to Halo 3 beta it's "Halo was never about graphics" or "that's not HD footage, you can't judge the game's graphics."

and yet all the screens I posted were just trailer footage captures from an early version of MGS4.

mind you, not all lemmings are like that, but for those that are...yeah...

Except for the fact Bungie themselves said before any vids were shown they were alpha or interal early beta where they worked on gameplay first and are doing graphics AFTER.

 Fanboy tryig to own = Failure

Self ownage accepted 

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

Get Real man. Mass Effect doesn't even come close.
Back on topic, wow 300 thats certainly a big number, i bet half of them are working on the port :| But its interesting too see how Hideo plans on filling all the blu-ray space.

Thie game will be amazing.

lazerluke

Mass effect looks so good. What is that awfull blurry low res pic underneath?

Sad sad sad. You realize the amount of blur in this pic just kills it completely. Mass effect on the other hand still wows me. 

Mass effect got downgraded too.

:o that's a big team

(but it includes teams working on outsourced material too)

fuzzysquash

Why do people only post glamour shots when the game is announced? Why not recent pictures like the mass effect one? WhySoCry

All he posted were from the TGS 06 Alpha version of MGS4. They look alot better than mass effect, so i guess why you think there glamourous.

 earlier shot.

This game has amazing textures.

Mass Effect looks good, but its not at the level of MSS4. 

[QUOTE="WhySoCry"]Why do people only post glamour shots when the game is announced? Why not recent pictures like the mass effect one? Adrian_Cloud

All he posted were from the TGS 06 Alpha version of MGS4. They look alot better than mass effect, so i guess why you think there glamourous.

 earlier shot.

This game has amazing textures.

Mass Effect looks good, but its not at the level of MSS4. 

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

[QUOTE="WhySoCry"]Why do people only post glamour shots when the game is announced? Why not recent pictures like the mass effect one? neogeo419

All he posted were from the TGS 06 Alpha version of MGS4. They look alot better than mass effect, so i guess why you think there glamourous.

earlier shot.

This game has amazing textures.

Mass Effect looks good, but its not at the level of MSS4.

Ofcourse we can all have our own opinions, but we've all seen the trailer. Saying not on the same level is being generous. Mass Effect looks really good though. Sidenote MGS4 screen from TGS were alpha, there hasn't been newer screens. Pretty impressive that MGS4 can still over-shadow games that have been shown recently.

[QUOTE="neogeo419"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

[QUOTE="WhySoCry"]Why do people only post glamour shots when the game is announced? Why not recent pictures like the mass effect one? Adrian_Cloud

All he posted were from the TGS 06 Alpha version of MGS4. They look alot better than mass effect, so i guess why you think there glamourous.

earlier shot.

This game has amazing textures.

Mass Effect looks good, but its not at the level of MSS4.

Ofcourse we can all have our own opinions, but we've all seen the trailer. Saying not on the same level is being generous. Mass Effect looks really good though. Sidenote MGS4 screen from TGS were alpha, there hasn't been newer screens. Pretty impressive that MGS4 can still over-shadow games that have been shown recently.

[QUOTE="WhySoCry"]Why do people only post glamour shots when the game is announced? Why not recent pictures like the mass effect one? Adrian_Cloud

All he posted were from the TGS 06 Alpha version of MGS4. They look alot better than mass effect, so i guess why you think there glamourous.

 earlier shot.

This game has amazing textures.

Mass Effect looks good, but its not at the level of MSS4. 

Again, How do you know th efinal game will look this good. until Updated screens come out, dont use Computer generated images that dont even run on the hardware.

[QUOTE="readingfc_1"]xbox couldnt handle theese graphics

and its a FACT that snakes camo could only be done with the Cell

REVENGEotSITH

Yeah, that's gotta be tough - do a quick check to see what the texture map is for the item Snake is up against (ground, rock, wall, etc.) and apply that texture to his uniform. Wow. That was impressive. :roll:

Hold on, i didn't say that ;) 

Again, How do you know th efinal game will look this good. until Updated screens come out, dont use Computer generated images that dont even run on the hardware.

black_awpN1

There you go calling it CGI, when ppl should know MGS is never CGI.

Also how do lemmings know that Halo 3 will look really good in the final game? Wouldn't this be almost the same case?

[QUOTE="black_awpN1"]

Again, How do you know th efinal game will look this good. until Updated screens come out, dont use Computer generated images that dont even run on the hardware.

tegovoltio

There you go calling it CGI, when ppl should know MGS is never CGI.

Also how do lemmings know that Halo 3 will look really good in the final game? Wouldn't this be almost the same case?

Indded, people cant know Halo 3 will look as good. As with any game, you never know what its really going to look like until it comes out.

360 can't keep up with that? Ghost Recon Advanced warfighter 2 looks better than that, and the reason I say that is because GRAW2 actually has COLOR in the game.

Tell me if it's not true, but Metal Gear 4 game pics and videos have atleast 50% more of a color palette than the very old gameboys!

[QUOTE="black_awpN1"]

Again, How do you know th efinal game will look this good. until Updated screens come out, dont use Computer generated images that dont even run on the hardware.

tegovoltio

There you go calling it CGI, when ppl should know MGS is never CGI.

Also how do lemmings know that Halo 3 will look really good in the final game? Wouldn't this be almost the same case?

[QUOTE="tegovoltio"][QUOTE="black_awpN1"]

Again, How do you know th efinal game will look this good. until Updated screens come out, dont use Computer generated images that dont even run on the hardware.

neogeo419

There you go calling it CGI, when ppl should know MGS is never CGI.

Also how do lemmings know that Halo 3 will look really good in the final game? Wouldn't this be almost the same case?

So it's ok for me to assume that ME's cutscenes are CGI regardless of what the dev. said then. 

[QUOTE="neogeo419"][QUOTE="tegovoltio"][QUOTE="black_awpN1"]

Again, How do you know th efinal game will look this good. until Updated screens come out, dont use Computer generated images that dont even run on the hardware.

tegovoltio

There you go calling it CGI, when ppl should know MGS is never CGI.

Also how do lemmings know that Halo 3 will look really good in the final game? Wouldn't this be almost the same case?

So it's ok for me to assume that ME's cutscenes are CGI regardless of what the dev. said then.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

[QUOTE="WhySoCry"]Why do people only post glamour shots when the game is announced? Why not recent pictures like the mass effect one? black_awpN1

All he posted were from the TGS 06 Alpha version of MGS4. They look alot better than mass effect, so i guess why you think there glamourous.

 earlier shot.

This game has amazing textures.

Mass Effect looks good, but its not at the level of MSS4. 

Again, How do you know th efinal game will look this good. until Updated screens come out, dont use Computer generated images that dont even run on the hardware.

You must not know your history when it comes to Kojima and MGS  :roll:

You must've missed when Kojima picked up a Dual Shock 2 controller and manipulated the camera in real time on PS3 hardware at TGS.

You must've been in a cave.

Now go back there.

Wow, with that many people working on the game they must be making some good time on it.Wasdie

I still wish someone knew how much it was going to cost in the end to develop (or at least had a ballpark figure). I want to know how many they have to sell to break even.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]Wow, with that many people working on the game they must be making some good time on it.musicalmac

I still wish someone knew how much it was going to cost in the end to develop (or at least had a ballpark figure). I want to know how many they have to sell to break even.

How are we supposed to assume that? Unless they state it by giving numbes which I doubt they will. 

[QUOTE="neogeo419"][QUOTE="tegovoltio"][QUOTE="black_awpN1"]

Again, How do you know th efinal game will look this good. until Updated screens come out, dont use Computer generated images that dont even run on the hardware.

tegovoltio

There you go calling it CGI, when ppl should know MGS is never CGI.

Also how do lemmings know that Halo 3 will look really good in the final game? Wouldn't this be almost the same case?

So it's ok for me to assume that ME's cutscenes are CGI regardless of what the dev. said then. 

[QUOTE="black_awpN1"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

[QUOTE="WhySoCry"]Why do people only post glamour shots when the game is announced? Why not recent pictures like the mass effect one? mentzer

All he posted were from the TGS 06 Alpha version of MGS4. They look alot better than mass effect, so i guess why you think there glamourous.

This game has amazing textures.

Mass Effect looks good, but its not at the level of MSS4. 

Again, How do you know th efinal game will look this good. until Updated screens come out, dont use Computer generated images that dont even run on the hardware.

You must not know your history when it comes to Kojima and MGS  :roll:

You must've missed when Kojima picked up a Dual Shock 2 controller and manipulated the camera in real time on PS3 hardware at TGS.

You must've been in a cave.

Now go back there.

[QUOTE="black_awpN1"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

[QUOTE="WhySoCry"]Why do people only post glamour shots when the game is announced? Why not recent pictures like the mass effect one? mentzer

All he posted were from the TGS 06 Alpha version of MGS4. They look alot better than mass effect, so i guess why you think there glamourous.

earlier shot.

This game has amazing textures.

Mass Effect looks good, but its not at the level of MSS4.

Again, How do you know th efinal game will look this good. until Updated screens come out, dont use Computer generated images that dont even run on the hardware.

You must not know your history when it comes to Kojima and MGS :roll:

You must've missed when Kojima picked up a Dual Shock 2 controller and manipulated the camera in real time on PS3 hardware at TGS.

You must've been in a cave.

Now go back there.

Just because he manipulated the camera dosent mean it was actual on the hardware graphics. He jus tput a feature to move the camera of the Scripted Scene that was it. So now you can go back in your cave.  

Just because he manipulated the camera dosent mean it was actual on the hardware graphics. He jus tput a feature to move the camera of the Scripted Scene that was it. So now you can go back in your cave.  black_awpN1

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]Wow, with that many people working on the game they must be making some good time on it.musicalmac

I still wish someone knew how much it was going to cost in the end to develop (or at least had a ballpark figure). I want to know how many they have to sell to break even.

That is madness!!! :o

I want to see something new. :(
foxhound_fox

Im pretty sure 300 people are working on HALO 3

I'm sure the team will be paid well :lol:

http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php

MGS3  -- 3.96 million sold (115 million PS2s)

Attach rate -- 1 game sold for every 27 PS2s :lol:

Development team for MGS4 --- 300 people

PS3s sold --- 3.28 million 

If less than 4 million MGS3 discs sold for 115 million PS2s, then how do you think MGS4 will sell with only 3.28 million PS3s :lol:

Ok, to be fair...by the time MGS4 releases, there may be a whopping 7 million PS3s at this rate :lol: 

MGS2 is the best selling of the MGS franchise.  Over 6 million were sold.  That is 1 for every 20 PS2s

Let's say there are 7 million PS3s...7 million / 20 = 350,000 MGS4 discs sold :lol:

But the PS3 has a longer life than that!  Ok...let's say PS3 reaches 20 million.  1 million MGS4 discs sold. 

MGS is not nearly as popular as cows believe it is...

And with a development team of 300, and a possibility that MGS4 may barely only break the 1 million sold barrier, that is not all that great...

I'm sure the team will be paid well :lol:

http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php

MGS3  -- 3.96 million sold (115 million PS2s)

Attach rate -- 1 game sold for every 27 PS2s :lol:

Development team for MGS4 --- 300 people

PS3s sold --- 3.28 million 

If less than 4 million MGS3 discs sold for 115 million PS2s, then how do you think MGS4 will sell with only 3.28 million PS3s :lol:

Ok, to be fair...by the time MGS4 releases, there may be a whopping 7 million PS3s at this rate :lol: 

MGS2 is the best selling of the MGS franchise.  Over 6 million were sold.  That is 1 for every 20 PS2s

Let's say there are 7 million PS3s...7 million / 20 = 350,000 MGS4 discs sold :lol:

But the PS3 has a longer life than that!  Ok...let's say PS3 reaches 20 million.  1 million MGS4 discs sold. 

MGS is not nearly as popular as cows believe it is...

And with a development team of 300, and a possibility that MGS4 may barely only break the 1 million sold barrier, that is not all that great...

AvIdGaMeR444

wow, that was a stupid post...thanx for the laugh :lol:

For the people that were asking how much a MGS game costs to produce, here's an answer.

It's no secret that the MGS games are among (if not) the most expensive games to develop, mainly because of the large quantity of storytelling in the games (the fully motion captured and professionally directed and voiced cutscenes are very expensive to produce, definitelly the most expensive gaming development process and that is why we don't see very often this high quality and quantity of storytelling).

So, long story short, MGS1's development costs were ~ 5 mil$, MGS2's ~ 10 mil $, MGS3's ~ 15 mil $ and MGS4 will probably be around 20 to 25 mil $. The first 3 figures are accurate, the last (MGS4's) is just a logical deduction.

Now, if MGS4 sells 4 to 8 mil copies at, let's say...50 $ a piece...do the math...Kojima can finally buy Disneyland :)

[QUOTE="mentzer"][QUOTE="black_awpN1"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

[QUOTE="WhySoCry"]Why do people only post glamour shots when the game is announced? Why not recent pictures like the mass effect one? black_awpN1

All he posted were from the TGS 06 Alpha version of MGS4. They look alot better than mass effect, so i guess why you think there glamourous.

earlier shot.

This game has amazing textures.

Mass Effect looks good, but its not at the level of MSS4.

Again, How do you know th efinal game will look this good. until Updated screens come out, dont use Computer generated images that dont even run on the hardware.

You must not know your history when it comes to Kojima and MGS :roll:

You must've missed when Kojima picked up a Dual Shock 2 controller and manipulated the camera in real time on PS3 hardware at TGS.

You must've been in a cave.

Now go back there.

Just because he manipulated the camera dosent mean it was actual on the hardware graphics. He jus tput a feature to move the camera of the Scripted Scene that was it. So now you can go back in your cave.  

So now you're saying Kojima would deliberately insert a feature to con the masses    :roll:

:lol: at you.

Your cave is waiting.

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]

[QUOTE="apolloluke"]downgrade + blur??????DoctorBunny

Interesting how some lemmings make these types of comments, yet when it comes to Halo 3 beta it's "Halo was never about graphics" or "that's not HD footage, you can't judge the game's graphics."

and yet all the screens I posted were just trailer footage captures from an early version of MGS4.

mind you, not all lemmings are like that, but for those that are...yeah...

Except for the fact Bungie themselves said before any vids were shown they were alpha or interal early beta where they worked on gameplay first and are doing graphics AFTER.

Fanboy tryig to own = Failure

Self ownage accepted

Uh huh. And the MGS4 images I posted were finished product, right? :roll:

At the time of the release of the trailer, Kojima was just starting on the production phase. That voids your argument that Halo 3 should get the benefit of the doubt but MGS4 shouldn't.