COD is popular because the Devs Listen to the Fans

barely about a week after MW3 release and already multiple patches addressing issues, Lag, glitches and banning glitchers. Where as other Devs such as Naughtydog barely released one patch to fix 3D for Uncharted 3. Kilzone 3 still dont have permanent weapon layout and BF3 still have flashlight issues. COD devs listen to the fanbase and responds immediately

Its also popular because its a better game too.

...ill take the bait You do realize naughty dog is making a big patch before the holidays right? SP and MP with 2 new maps.

You could have done WAY better with the killzone 3 rant.

Also How long did it take for them to make a playlist without ghost? :lol: How long did it take for them to fix the m16 in cod4?:lol: world at war still has the overpowered mp40:lol:

Listen to the fans? You mean how they complain about how every gun that they get killed by is Bull**** and how there mom's need to leave them alone when they're playing? :lol:

I think that is both true and false.

Its true in the sense that things the community seem to love, stayed. The gameplay and base mechanics has remained fundamentally unchanged (which is something a lot of BF2 fans complained about for BF3 changing), and it seems like MW3 listened to complaints against the co-op and campaign, seeing as how both of those are improvements on MW2, along with certain heavily requested changes online. Plus they did bring back dedicated servers... sort of.

Its wrong in the sense that not all the people complaining are BF fanboys who never touched it. Legitimate complaints and things fans wanted like full dedicated servers, 4 player co-op, less ripping off on map pack prices, and an engine improvement went unheeded. Not to mention that a lot of things people loved from Black Ops were removed for no reason (such as pilotable choppers, diving, bots and currency), and what they added didn't necessarily improve from that. In fact, I've seen a whole lot of people say Black Ops is better, which might be a sign IW needs to get off their high horse and listen to Treyarch when they make a damn good gameplay change.

Honestly though, you can't please all fans. Some just wanted a better looking and playing MW2 with a lot more on the content side vs the gameplay change side, other would prefer work on a new engine, and others just wanted a return to CoD4. Everyone wants something different.

If COD developers listened to fans they wouldn't have released MW2.5 and would have actually tried something new and taken at least some risks. nightshade869

Its a tricky balance though, so I feel like I can't entirely fault them for playing it safe.

When CoD4 was made, Kotick feared the WWII shooter fans would leave and that it was a big risk, so he made them make another WWII game before they could do any big changes.

Plus you'll get games like Battlefield 3, Fallout 3, Metal Gear Solid 4 etc. Games that get acclaim and are fun, but then hardcore fans complain because they changed too much. Considering how incredibly high profile CoD is, big changes can be more fatal then steadily doling out small changes and keeping returns from people who want more.

Don't get me wrong, if they don't start to change, the fans will start to get fatigued, but until sales start to drop I think the series will be enough to keep the base gameplay and stuff the same. At least until the next generation when they'll pretty much HAVE to change the engine.

If COD developers listened to fans they wouldn't have released MW2.5 and would have actually tried something new and taken at least some risks. nightshade869

Why change a formula people love and buy and change it to something people not want?

It is a reason CoD is the best selling game series ever...

It is a reason CoD is the best selling game series ever...

aroxx_ab

[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]It is a reason CoD is the best selling game series ever...

millerlight89

[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]It is a reason CoD is the best selling game series ever...

millerlight89

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[QUOTE="nightshade869"]If COD developers listened to fans they wouldn't have released MW2.5 and would have actually tried something new and taken at least some risks. SPYDER0416

Its a tricky balance though, so I feel like I can't entirely fault them for playing it safe.

When CoD4 was made, Kotick feared the WWII shooter fans would leave and that it was a big risk, so he made them make another WWII game before they could do any big changes.

Plus you'll get games like Battlefield 3, Fallout 3, Metal Gear Solid 4 etc. Games that get acclaim and are fun, but then hardcore fans complain because they changed too much. Considering how incredibly high profile CoD is, big changes can be more fatal then steadily doling out small changes and keeping returns from people who want more.

Don't get me wrong, if they don't start to change, the fans will start to get fatigued, but until sales start to drop I think the series will be enough to keep the base gameplay and stuff the same. At least until the next generation when they'll pretty much HAVE to change the engine.

Actually

Cod4 wasnt meant to be the start of a trilogy. IW said it was suspose to be a one time thing and then go back to WW2 shooters. 3arc already was starting on World at War by then so they didnt have enough to time start over.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]

[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]It is a reason CoD is the best selling game series ever...

aroxx_ab

Internet; News sites and places like GS

[QUOTE="nightshade869"]If COD developers listened to fans they wouldn't have released MW2.5 and would have actually tried something new and taken at least some risks. aroxx_ab

Why change a formula people love and buy and change it to something people not want?

It is a reason CoD is the best selling game series ever...

Think about it this way guys.

Go to any BF forum, and you'll have a small group of people going "BF3 = Bad Company 3" or "BF3 is NOT the true sequel to BF2" or my favorite "BF3 is consolized trash". Ignoring the 64 players, jets, new engine, Karkand expansion, and a bevy of returning things, BF fans think its STILL too different and dislike it for some of its issues, even though it is very much the true sequel.

CoD at least can keep their current fans appeased this way, and don't risk as much alienation as a big change might cause.

What I'm saying is, fans can be jerks, for any big game, no matter what you do.

Yeah! They even listen to the fans on the platform that started it all!

Yeah! They even listen to the fans on the platform that started it all!

Jebus213

This pretty much says all that needs to be said.

Cod is popular because its easy to play, it is a game that you can just jump into, which isn't much to say about most other games out there

Call of Duty is Popular because it's like Fast Food.

It's Quick, It's Easy, and Best of All....It's Cheap.

Call of Duty is Popular because it's like Fast Food.

It's Quick, It's Easy, and Best of All....It's Cheap.

LegatoSkyheart

Well that is one person in the world who thinks Call of Duty is cheap.

The Devs don't listen to the fans. It's popular because its easy for everyone to play.

The only reason why CoD sells so much is because younger kids like to brag about the things they get, then their friends get jealous, then they want to or end up buying it due to the pressure put on by them. It's easy when the main age target is 12-16 years old.

Edit: And Naughty Dog listen to their fans a TON, they patch their game constantly, the reason you dont need to update it like the bigger ones is due to there being a live patch system implemented into the game. Whenever you log into multiplayer and that bar needs to load? that's it syncing to the games servers and recieving stats and patch information. same goes for ANY developer that has a fun game that shows the amount of effor they put into it, at first I doubted BF3, and yeah the maps are a let down, and the hit detection was (and still is) a little iffy, but the game is fun, they fixed A TON ( like its not even the same game), and I am getting free DLC in the next coming month a week early.

Actually, the devs are at Respawn and the fanboys are busy drooling over the name on the box, unaware that no-name hacks are ripping off the template set up by the real Infinity Ward.

COD is popular becasue people like it and think it's fun. I know crazy right.....

The series could use a few changes IMO, I personally find that Treyarch makes the better campaigns than IW. And your opinion about U3 and Killzone and BF and all those other games are just that, your opinion.

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

Call of Duty is Popular because it's like Fast Food.

It's Quick, It's Easy, and Best of All....It's Cheap.

SPYDER0416

Well that is one person in the world who thinks Call of Duty is cheap.

the tactics used by most players are cheap..quickscoping has to be the worst thing i've ever seen in my life its something i detest more than CoD's downright dodgy netcode.

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

[QUOTE="nightshade869"]If COD developers listened to fans they wouldn't have released MW2.5 and would have actually tried something new and taken at least some risks. eboyishere

Its a tricky balance though, so I feel like I can't entirely fault them for playing it safe.

When CoD4 was made, Kotick feared the WWII shooter fans would leave and that it was a big risk, so he made them make another WWII game before they could do any big changes.

Plus you'll get games like Battlefield 3, Fallout 3, Metal Gear Solid 4 etc. Games that get acclaim and are fun, but then hardcore fans complain because they changed too much. Considering how incredibly high profile CoD is, big changes can be more fatal then steadily doling out small changes and keeping returns from people who want more.

Don't get me wrong, if they don't start to change, the fans will start to get fatigued, but until sales start to drop I think the series will be enough to keep the base gameplay and stuff the same. At least until the next generation when they'll pretty much HAVE to change the engine.

Actually

Cod4 wasnt meant to be the start of a trilogy. IW said it was suspose to be a one time thing and then go back to WW2 shooters. 3arc already was starting on World at War by then so they didnt have enough to time start over.

Yeah I never said it was. Activision wanted to play it safe (like always), and its not surprising they would want a return. Then Call of Duty 4 became an insane hit and Activision (of course) wanted IW to continue whatever it is they were going. It was hard enough convincing them to make Call of Duty on consoles, and even harder to get the move to modern day so this didn't have a chance I think.

From what I hear, IW wanted to do something different from Modern Warfare AND WWII to follow Call of Duty 4 (with rumors of a Sci Fi game), but Activision said no since CoD4 was their biggest hit.

Its a shame, the whole debacle happened because Activision stifled creativity to avoid risk and make more cash, maybe forgetting that taking a risk got them where they are now. At least they seem to be avoiding that with Treyarch somewhat, letting them do the Vietnam era Black Ops with some interesting changes, but sadly the series won't be the same without old Infinity Ward.

Its like Lynyrd Skynyrd after the crash.

I wish dice could fix the major **** on BF3 instead of fixing cheap stuff that almost nobody bother for, or worse, never complained - such the G3 nerf, the most stupid nerf in online fps history.26whitewolf

The only Call of Duty developer that actually listens to the fans is Treyarch.

Infinity Ward definitely did not with MW2, and they are not now.

The jets are nice and balanced now I think. New players can get in without fearing the wrath of a man portable stinger a mile away, and they finally have a use for something other then attacking other enemy aircraft and the occasional tank or jeep you're lucky enough to hit without them hitting back. Even though they can attack infantry now with success, they aren't OP since they move so fast and infantry are so hard to see in one that its more useful for them to keep dogfighting or help take out vehicles.

I also like the fixes in loading and squad management. Hopefully the whole "running behind a wall and dying because you were shot to death 5 seconds ago" thing is rarer, that wasn't an issue I've had since Call of Duty 4, and even then it wasn't that bad.

EDIT: Just to clarify, I was contributing to the BF3 discussion above me before Dark Link commented in between and now it seems like I'm randomly talking about BF3.

Though I'd agree Treyarch seems to be less primadonna about fan suggestions, and my PC buddies love Black Ops more then MW2 or 3.

How about those dedicated servers the "fans" have been asking for since MW.

[QUOTE="26whitewolf"]I wish dice could fix the major **** on BF3 instead of fixing cheap stuff that almost nobody bother for, or worse, never complained - such the G3 nerf, the most stupid nerf in online fps history.Ace6301

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="26whitewolf"]I wish dice could fix the major **** on BF3 instead of fixing cheap stuff that almost nobody bother for, or worse, never complained - such the G3 nerf, the most stupid nerf in online fps history.26whitewolf

Co-op does not work for me outside of one or two friends, keeps disconnecting. Shame since I REALLY want the Sig, and I thought it would be easier to unlock but you guys make it sound like it takes forever.

Treyarch listens to fans. And Black Ops sucked. The fans don't know what they want.

How about those dedicated servers the "fans" have been asking for since MW.

Pug-Nasty

Didn't you hear? Everyone on PC is a pirate. They aren't true fans.

Before anyone rages it's a joke

Treyarch listens to fans. And Black Ops sucked. The fans don't know what they want.

OB-47

[QUOTE="26whitewolf"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] Not many were complaining about the G3 because it's a **** to unlock so hardly anyone has it. At close up though it was OP and the nerf only changed extreme close range damage. SPYDER0416

Co-op does not work for me outside of one or two friends, keeps disconnecting. Shame since I REALLY want the Sig, and I thought it would be easier to unlock but you guys make it sound like it takes forever.

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

Treyarch listens to fans. And Black Ops sucked. The fans don't know what they want.

DarkLink77

There was something about it. It lacked. I don't know, fun. I liked the features, like replays etc. But buying attachments for weapons was kinda lame, meant I could just buy whatever I wanted. The campaign was almost as bad as Battlefield 3 in how much it controlled you, though it did have a nice twist to alternate history. The multiplayer really, I found lacking, the maps were boring both design wise and visually. MW3 in my opinion is miles miles better

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="OB-47"]

Treyarch listens to fans. And Black Ops sucked. The fans don't know what they want.

OB-47

There was something about it. It lacked. I don't know, fun. I liked the features, like replays etc. But buying attachments for weapons was kinda lame, meant I could just buy whatever I wanted. The campaign was almost as bad as Battlefield 3 in how much it controlled you, though it did have a nice twist to alternate history. The multiplayer really, I found lacking, the maps were boring both design wise and visually. MW3 in my opinion is miles miles better

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Black Ops was great. What are you on about?DarkLink77

There was something about it. It lacked. I don't know, fun. I liked the features, like replays etc. But buying attachments for weapons was kinda lame, meant I could just buy whatever I wanted. The campaign was almost as bad as Battlefield 3 in how much it controlled you, though it did have a nice twist to alternate history. The multiplayer really, I found lacking, the maps were boring both design wise and visually. MW3 in my opinion is miles miles better

There ya go! The actual gameplay was boring, and the scripting is no where near as good as IW or SledgeHammers. I admit, the Cold War settiing gave it a free card for me when I first played from criticising it, but really the campaign was average. I do wish though, that MW3 had more personality in Spec-Ops Survival, like Zombies. The charectars and the settings in those were really quite cool

CoD is popular because it's been popular for several years, and in this time it hasn't changed it's formula or gameplay. The game is essentially the same, with different maps, slightly upgraded graphics and a few tweaks and there. The core audience that played CoD '10 will play CoD '11 and will most likely play CoD '12 as well.

Its also popular because its a better game too.

slipknot0129

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

Call of Duty is Popular because it's like Fast Food.

It's Quick, It's Easy, and Best of All....It's Cheap.

SPYDER0416

Well that is one person in the world who thinks Call of Duty is cheap.

wasn't talking about the price.

The only Call of Duty developer that actually listens to the fans is Treyarch.

Infinity Ward definitely did not with MW2, and they are not now.

DarkLink77