CoD WAW Offensive?

I love shooters. i think they are great fun. If the game can provide visceral action and satisfying combat, then count me in.

But then i saw this article about CoDWaW. The trailer looks awesome, and fun. But when you think about the fact that WWII was an actual war in which countless americans, japanese, englishmen, germans, and any european nation's soldiers fought and lost their lives, I think the game should show a little bit of respect. The soldiers of WWII are a testament to the freedoms we have to make and play games like this. but it seems like it is in bad taste.

Both of my grandfathers were soldiers in the pacific theater. and, as the article also points out, they still are haunted by te war. I'm sure they would love to see a game depicting soldiers shooting wounded men, or torchingpeople from behind.

It is a given in a WWII game that the character that you play as could have actually lived or died in that conflict, and we should honor these men rather than fabricating terrible acts that they may or may not have done.

EDIT: when Infinity Ward was making COD4, they had consultants from modern conflicts advise the team on the look and feel of the game. this resulted in a game that garnered respect for the soldiers, and not creating brutality for brutality's sake.

Its a game based off historical events. There are disclaimers saying that any relations to real world people are completely coincidental. Its not mocking anyone.

Besides, the game is being released on Remembrance Day. Either that was on purpose or a coincidence.

WW2 will like...always be the war used in war games.

Like...forever.

and ever.

Why are you still reading this?

WW2 will like...always be the war used in war games.

Like...forever.

and ever.

Why are you still reading this?

SoraX64

That trailer was amazing it showed what WW2 was really like for the men who faught in it.

Gridy no hold bars and very violent. It doset try to glorify war like the previous Call of duty set in WW2 did.

Its a game based off historical events. There are disclaimers saying that any relations to real world people are completely coincidental. Its not mocking anyone.

Besides, the game is being released on Remembrance Day. Either that was on purpose or a coincidence.

wado-karate

Nazi zombies would like a word with you. Seriously I think that is a horrible way of portaying people who actually sacrificed their life for their country, and I refuse to buy this game for that reason (Not really, I just don't think it looks that good.). I'm sick of all this Nazi = Evil crap. Ever heard of conscription? You know that thing most soilders go through?

[QUOTE="wado-karate"]

Its a game based off historical events. There are disclaimers saying that any relations to real world people are completely coincidental. Its not mocking anyone.

Besides, the game is being released on Remembrance Day. Either that was on purpose or a coincidence.

WasntAvailable

Nazi zombies would like a word with you. Seriously I think that is a horrible way of portaying people who actually sacrificed their life for their country, and I refuse to buy this game for that reason (Not really, I just don't think it looks that good.). I'm sick of all this Nazi = Evil crap. Ever heard of conscription? You know that thing most soilders go through?

Nazi Zombies isn't making fun of them, it just goes with the game. And Nazi's weren't all evil but most were and they thought they were fighting for a good cause. Thats not to say Germans are evil. Nazi's were a political party, not every German citizen.

[QUOTE="wado-karate"]

Its a game based off historical events. There are disclaimers saying that any relations to real world people are completely coincidental. Its not mocking anyone.

Besides, the game is being released on Remembrance Day. Either that was on purpose or a coincidence.

WasntAvailable

Nazi zombies would like a word with you. Seriously I think that is a horrible way of portaying people who actually sacrificed their life for their country, and I refuse to buy this game for that reason (Not really, I just don't think it looks that good.). I'm sick of all this Nazi = Evil crap. Ever heard of conscription? You know that thing most soilders go through?

And second why would you want a game that throws away some of the not so friendly parts of ww2 and glorifys them with american heros saving the day (like MoH airborne did) :? The realism and intensity of this WW2 game sets it apart from games like CoD4 and 2 seeing as it dosent shy away from the horrible parts of war.Seems to me like your just crying because treyarch is developing it and not infinity ward.

[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"][QUOTE="wado-karate"]

Its a game based off historical events. There are disclaimers saying that any relations to real world people are completely coincidental. Its not mocking anyone.

Besides, the game is being released on Remembrance Day. Either that was on purpose or a coincidence.

Gh0st_Of_0nyx

Nazi zombies would like a word with you. Seriously I think that is a horrible way of portaying people who actually sacrificed their life for their country, and I refuse to buy this game for that reason (Not really, I just don't think it looks that good.). I'm sick of all this Nazi = Evil crap. Ever heard of conscription? You know that thing most soilders go through?

And second why would you want a game that throws away some of the not so friendly parts of ww2 and glorifys them with american heros saving the day (like MoH airborne did) :? The realism and intensity of this WW2 game sets it apart from games like CoD4 and 2 seeing as it dosent shy away from the horrible parts of war.Seems to me like your just crying because treyarch is developing it and not infinity ward.

No CoD WaW is just as bad as Airbourne. The guy at Treyarch himself said, "WW2 is an epic strugle between good and evil" (A quote I hate), and as such the guys you played are portrayed as heroes. I don't mind seeing the rough parts of war, but in case you didn't know, Nazi Zombies arn't real. Sure, show me a guy get his legs blow off, show me mindless brutality, that's what war is about, but do not decorate it as an epic strugle between good and evil. Show me what the Russians did to their own soilders (CoD did actualy), the things they did wern't exactly fit for heroes. Show me the serious blunders the Americans made at D Day (Frontline hinted at this when one of the soilders screamed, "Where the hell is our air support?!"). Show me how the Nazis treated the Jewish. But if you're going to do it, do it in a tactful way! No cheesy overdramtic crap please.

EDIT: I'm not a big fan of IW either, but they definatly portray WW2 better than Treyarch have done. If Treyarch treated the subject matter with a bit more care and thought, then I wouldn't be so bothered. So yes, I am crying because Treyarch is developing it, and I have my reasons, and I have had these reasons since I played MoH: Airbourne. That game was just insulting.

EDIT2: And, yes I do know Treyarch didn't do MoH:A, it's just what started it for me.

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"][QUOTE="WasntAvailable"][QUOTE="wado-karate"]

Its a game based off historical events. There are disclaimers saying that any relations to real world people are completely coincidental. Its not mocking anyone.

Besides, the game is being released on Remembrance Day. Either that was on purpose or a coincidence.

WasntAvailable

Nazi zombies would like a word with you. Seriously I think that is a horrible way of portaying people who actually sacrificed their life for their country, and I refuse to buy this game for that reason (Not really, I just don't think it looks that good.). I'm sick of all this Nazi = Evil crap. Ever heard of conscription? You know that thing most soilders go through?

And second why would you want a game that throws away some of the not so friendly parts of ww2 and glorifys them with american heros saving the day (like MoH airborne did) :? The realism and intensity of this WW2 game sets it apart from games like CoD4 and 2 seeing as it dosent shy away from the horrible parts of war.Seems to me like your just crying because treyarch is developing it and not infinity ward.

No CoD WaW is just as bad as Airbourne. The guy at Treyarch himself said, "WW2 is an epic strugle between good and evil" (A quote I hate), and as such the guys you played are portrayed as heroes. I don't mind seeing the rough parts of war, but in case you didn't know, Nazi Zombies arn't real. Sure, show me a guy get his legs blow off, show me mindless brutality, that's what war is about, but do not decorate it as an epic strugle between good and evil. Show me what the Russians did to their own soilders (CoD did actualy), the things they did wern't exactly fit for heroes. Show me the serious blunders the Americans made at D Day (Frontline hinted at this when one of the soilders screamed, "Where the hell is our air support?!"). Show me how the Nazis treated the Jewish. But if you're going to do it, do it in a tactful way! No cheesy overdramtic crap please.

Plus WW2 was a stuggle againsy good and evil. Your telling me that what the germans were doing to the jews wasnt evil ?WW2 had a meaning to it. Your not even buying this game so why cry about it being "offensive" ??

Plus WW2 was a stuggle againsy good and evil. Your telling me that what the germans were doing to the jews wasnt evil ?WW2 had a meaning to it. Your not even buying this game so why cry about it being "offensive" ??"

No. I just meant I didn't want Americans to be portrayed as the perfect cliched heroes they allways have been. And regardless of when you unlock "Let's make dead soilders turn in their graves even more than they already have." mode, it is still offensive, and distasteful.

WW2 was a fight between two sides that opposed each other. Thosse two sides just so happened to be, Germany, Japan and Italy - Britain, Russia and France (America joined later). The only two sides that had any right to be in the conflict in the first place were the British and the French, they were fighting to maintain themselves, and to support their allies. The Americans and Russians joined for pragmastic reasons (Comunism/Capitalism/ Being bombed), and don't you forget that. Nothing heroic about pragmatism. And like I said, you immediatly assume all Germans are evil, because of the government that was in charge at the time? You call that evil? That's a very vague and simple understanding. Did you know the Pope was once considered a Nazi? Are you telling me the Pope is evil? I don't think so. WW2 was a conflict of intrest. The only villians were the politicians, and war is not fought by politicians. War is fought by soilders, and so WW2 was a war between Soilder and Soilder, not good and evil.

"How is CoD waW cheesy and overdramatic ??? Do you see american waving the flag at every turn or saying heroic chessy lines :? The nazi zombie thing is just antother way treyarch wants to have fun wtih the game its hence why you ONLY UNLOCK it after you beat the game :roll:

Plus WW2 was a stuggle againsy good and evil. Your telling me that what the germans were doing to the jews wasnt evil ?WW2 had a meaning to it. Your not even buying this game so why cry about it being "offensive" ??"

No. I just meant I didn't want Americans to be portrayed as the perfect cliched heroes they allways have been. And regardless of when you unlock "Let's make dead soilders turn in their graves even more than they already have." mode, it is still offensive, and distasteful.

WW2 was a fight between two sides that opposed each other. Thosse two sides just so happened to be, Germany, Japan and Italy - Britain, Russia and France (America joined later). The only two sides that had any right to be in the conflict in the first place were the British and the French, they were fighting to maintain themselves, and to support their allies. The Americans and Russians joined for pragmastic reasons (Comunism/Capitalism/ Being bombed), and don't you forget that. Nothing heroic about pragmatism. And like I said, you immediatly assume all Germans are evil, because of the government that was in charge at the time? You call that evil? That's a very vague and simple understanding. Did you know the Pope was once considered a Nazi? Are you telling me the Pope is evil? I don't think so. WW2 was a conflict of intrest. The only villians were the politicians, and war is not fought by politicians. War is fought by soilders, and so WW2 was a war between Soilder and Soilder, not good and evil.

WasntAvailable

Your going into some ridiculous rant about good and evil and totally getting off the point. And NO WERE in that trailer did it show americans as the perfect cliched soldie so you need to stop assuming that's what treyarch did because they certanly didnt go in that direction. They grounded the soldiers in realism not fake cliche's like MoH likes to do.

[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]"How is CoD waW cheesy and overdramatic ??? Do you see american waving the flag at every turn or saying heroic chessy lines :? The nazi zombie thing is just antother way treyarch wants to have fun wtih the game its hence why you ONLY UNLOCK it after you beat the game :roll:

Plus WW2 was a stuggle againsy good and evil. Your telling me that what the germans were doing to the jews wasnt evil ?WW2 had a meaning to it. Your not even buying this game so why cry about it being "offensive" ??"

No. I just meant I didn't want Americans to be portrayed as the perfect cliched heroes they allways have been. And regardless of when you unlock "Let's make dead soilders turn in their graves even more than they already have." mode, it is still offensive, and distasteful.

WW2 was a fight between two sides that opposed each other. Thosse two sides just so happened to be, Germany, Japan and Italy - Britain, Russia and France (America joined later). The only two sides that had any right to be in the conflict in the first place were the British and the French, they were fighting to maintain themselves, and to support their allies. The Americans and Russians joined for pragmastic reasons (Comunism/Capitalism/ Being bombed), and don't you forget that. Nothing heroic about pragmatism. And like I said, you immediatly assume all Germans are evil, because of the government that was in charge at the time? You call that evil? That's a very vague and simple understanding. Did you know the Pope was once considered a Nazi? Are you telling me the Pope is evil? I don't think so. WW2 was a conflict of intrest. The only villians were the politicians, and war is not fought by politicians. War is fought by soilders, and so WW2 was a war between Soilder and Soilder, not good and evil.

Gh0st_Of_0nyx

Your going into some ridiculous rant about good and evil and totally getting off the point. And NO WERE in that trailer did it show americans as the perfect cliched soldie so you need to stop assuming that's what treyarch did because they certanly didnt go in that direction. They grounded the soldiers in realism not fake cliche's like MoH likes to do.

No. I find you're selective reading and lack of comprehension disturbing. I don't see how displaying Germans as zombies is sensitve in any way. Let me explain the imagery. Zombies creatures of evil. Combine that with Nazis and you basically might as well say all Nazis are evil, which is fundamentaly wrong, as I have already explianed. I find the way in which Treyarch presnted WW2 as a battle between good and evil in CoD3 to be somewhat offensive, and the inclusion of Nazi zombies in this game just makes that worse. I'm not talking about the trailer, I am talking about the inclusion of Nazi zombies and how that makes me feel. Treyarch presented Americans as cheesy heroes in CoD3, so I can only guess they will do it again. Now please try and understand what I'm saying before half guessing it. I find it quite frustrating.

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"][QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]"How is CoD waW cheesy and overdramatic ??? Do you see american waving the flag at every turn or saying heroic chessy lines :? The nazi zombie thing is just antother way treyarch wants to have fun wtih the game its hence why you ONLY UNLOCK it after you beat the game :roll:

Plus WW2 was a stuggle againsy good and evil. Your telling me that what the germans were doing to the jews wasnt evil ?WW2 had a meaning to it. Your not even buying this game so why cry about it being "offensive" ??"

No. I just meant I didn't want Americans to be portrayed as the perfect cliched heroes they allways have been. And regardless of when you unlock "Let's make dead soilders turn in their graves even more than they already have." mode, it is still offensive, and distasteful.

WW2 was a fight between two sides that opposed each other. Thosse two sides just so happened to be, Germany, Japan and Italy - Britain, Russia and France (America joined later). The only two sides that had any right to be in the conflict in the first place were the British and the French, they were fighting to maintain themselves, and to support their allies. The Americans and Russians joined for pragmastic reasons (Comunism/Capitalism/ Being bombed), and don't you forget that. Nothing heroic about pragmatism. And like I said, you immediatly assume all Germans are evil, because of the government that was in charge at the time? You call that evil? That's a very vague and simple understanding. Did you know the Pope was once considered a Nazi? Are you telling me the Pope is evil? I don't think so. WW2 was a conflict of intrest. The only villians were the politicians, and war is not fought by politicians. War is fought by soilders, and so WW2 was a war between Soilder and Soilder, not good and evil.

WasntAvailable

Your going into some ridiculous rant about good and evil and totally getting off the point. And NO WERE in that trailer did it show americans as the perfect cliched soldie so you need to stop assuming that's what treyarch did because they certanly didnt go in that direction. They grounded the soldiers in realism not fake cliche's like MoH likes to do.

No. I find you're selective reading and lack of comprehension disturbing. I don't see how displaying Germans as zombies is sensitve in any way. Let me explain the imagery. Zombies creatures of evil. Combine that with Nazis and you basically might as well say all Nazis are evil, which is fundamentaly wrong, as I have already explianed. I find the way in which Treyarch presnted WW2 as a battle between good and evil in CoD3 to be somewhat offensive, and the inclusion of Nazi zombies in this game just makes that worse. I'm not talking about the trailer, I am talking about the inclusion of Nazi zombies and how that makes me feel. Treyarch presented Americans as cheesy heroes in CoD3, so I can only guess they will do it again. Now please try and understand what I'm saying before half guessing it. I find it quite frustrating.

And what are you talking about in CoD3 treyarch portryaed americans reallisticaly with some soldiers being cowards and not even wanting to fight.I love how your nit picking at treyarch yet find no fault with infinity wards or any other studios war games:roll:

And your not answering my question which is if your not buying the game why cry about something your not intrested in playing ??

And what are you talking about in CoD3 treyarch portryaed americans reallisticaly with some soldiers being cowards and not even wanting to fight.I love how your nit picking at treyarch yet find no fault with infinity wards or any other studios war games:roll:

And your not answering my question which is if your not buying the game why cry about something your not intrested in playing ??"

I find the concept of Nazi zombies offensive by any standards, side quest or not. I have explained over and over again why, and I can't say anymore. It's simple. Zombies = Evil, Nais = Not nessecarily evil. It's essentially making fun of German soilders, and that's what annoys me, because it makes so many false persumptions.

CoD3 did not realistcly portray anything. The main characters were a bunch of cocky morons, who seemed to think war was all fun and games. No real sense of fear except for mabye one or two guys being stupid. The drama was just bad. Incidently none of the soilders in the game acted like "cowards". That's another false concept. Just because someone does not wan't to fight a war does not make them a "coward". War is a very scary and violent thing, and the physcological effect it can have on someone is immense. This was not portrayed very well in CoD3, with barely a passing reference. Infinity Ward didn't do much better, but like I said the first level in the Berlin campagin was a real step forward, because it displayed some of the harsh realities of war instead of just making it seem like some epic strugle. It showed the folly of the Russian comanders and politicians.

Most companies are just as bad, or worse than Treyarch, but we arn't talking about thosse companies so that's irelevant. As I said I found MoH: Airborune to be incredibly offensive, worse so than this. I just feel this has to stop.

That is why it bothers me. I may not be buying the game, but it presents an attitude that says, "It's ok. They were evil, they deserved to die.", and that is quite frankly wrong by anyone's standards. Any other game genre can get away with it, but WW2 is a real war, and developers should treat it with more tact.

Offensive? Showing what soldiers really do in war is something soldiers wouldn't want us to stray away from, even if it doesn't portray them highly (referring to shooting wounded soldiers and torching someone in the back). And to the others, WAW does seem more realistic than the other Cod games in terms of atmosphere, at the beginning you witness a Japanese soldier thrust a cigar into a American POWs eye then have his throat slit and infact at one point in a Russian mission your goal is to shoot helpless wounded German soldiers and later on you see a group of surrendering German soldiers pleading for mercy who end up getting burned to death by molotov cocktails. And as for the trailer itself the "no fear" part and rock music is out of place.

Offensive? Showing what soldiers really do in war is something soldiers wouldn't want us to stray away from, even if it doesn't portray them highly (referring to shooting wounded soldiers and torching someone in the back). And to the others, WAW does seem more realistic than the other Cod games in terms of atmosphere, at the beginning you witness a Japanese soldier thrust a cigar into a American POWs eye then have his throat slit and infact at one point in a Russian mission your goal is to shoot helpless wounded German soldiers and later on you see a group of surrendering German soldiers pleading for mercy who end up getting burned to death by molotov cocktails. And as for the trailer itself the "no fear" part and rock music is out of place.

Stabby2486

Well that does sound some what promosing, as long as it is done properly, and not just there to make us giggle. If it makes me feel horible, then they have done something right. If it makes me feel disgusted, then they screwed up. My main gripe is with this Nazi zombie crap.

[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"][QUOTE="wado-karate"]

Its a game based off historical events. There are disclaimers saying that any relations to real world people are completely coincidental. Its not mocking anyone.

Besides, the game is being released on Remembrance Day. Either that was on purpose or a coincidence.

wado-karate

Nazi zombies would like a word with you. Seriously I think that is a horrible way of portaying people who actually sacrificed their life for their country, and I refuse to buy this game for that reason (Not really, I just don't think it looks that good.). I'm sick of all this Nazi = Evil crap. Ever heard of conscription? You know that thing most soilders go through?

Nazi Zombies isn't making fun of them, it just goes with the game. And Nazi's weren't all evil but most were and they thought they were fighting for a good cause. Thats not to say Germans are evil. Nazi's were a political party, not every German citizen.

Many Nazis even weren't actually all that bad when you consider that few understood what was actually going on in Germany and only followed the party due to propaganda and fear.

dude... its a game, youre taking this WAY too seriously...

if youre looking to honor WWII vets, look it up on the history channel or something.

games are meant for 1 thing: fun.. nothing else

(and if you didnt know, zombies were used in WWII) :P

I find the concept of Nazi zombies offensive by any standards, side quest or not. I have explained over and over again why, and I can't say anymore. It's simple. Zombies = Evil, Nais = Not nessecarily evil. It's essentially making fun of German soilders, and that's what annoys me, because it makes so many false persumptions.

CoD3 did not realistcly portray anything. The main characters were a bunch of cocky morons, who seemed to think war was all fun and games. No real sense of fear except for mabye one or two guys being stupid. The drama was just bad. Incidently none of the soilders in the game acted like "cowards". That's another false concept. Just because someone does not wan't to fight a war does not make them a "coward". War is a very scary and violent thing, and the physcological effect it can have on someone is immense. This was not portrayed very well in CoD3, with barely a passing reference. Infinity Ward didn't do much better, but like I said the first level in the Berlin campagin was a real step forward, because it displayed some of the harsh realities of war instead of just making it seem like some epic strugle. It showed the folly of the Russian comanders and politicians.

Most companies are just as bad, or worse than Treyarch, but we arn't talking about thosse companies so that's irelevant. As I said I found MoH: Airborune to be incredibly offensive, worse so than this. I just feel this has to stop.

That is why it bothers me. I may not be buying the game, but it presents an attitude that says, "It's ok. They were evil, they deserved to die.", and that is quite frankly wrong by anyone's standards. Any other game genre can get away with it, but WW2 is a real war, and developers should treat it with more tact.

WasntAvailable

Wow you are overracting here. Medal of Honor series isn't really the type of series to try to be very realistic. Call of Duty is pretty much the same also, but being a little more realistic. They are just games.

who gives a crap?

honestly veterans are great people but sometimes they abuse their status.

everyone knows this game is not intended to mock veterans.

[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]

I find the concept of Nazi zombies offensive by any standards, side quest or not. I have explained over and over again why, and I can't say anymore. It's simple. Zombies = Evil, Nais = Not nessecarily evil. It's essentially making fun of German soilders, and that's what annoys me, because it makes so many false persumptions.

CoD3 did not realistcly portray anything. The main characters were a bunch of cocky morons, who seemed to think war was all fun and games. No real sense of fear except for mabye one or two guys being stupid. The drama was just bad. Incidently none of the soilders in the game acted like "cowards". That's another false concept. Just because someone does not wan't to fight a war does not make them a "coward". War is a very scary and violent thing, and the physcological effect it can have on someone is immense. This was not portrayed very well in CoD3, with barely a passing reference. Infinity Ward didn't do much better, but like I said the first level in the Berlin campagin was a real step forward, because it displayed some of the harsh realities of war instead of just making it seem like some epic strugle. It showed the folly of the Russian comanders and politicians.

Most companies are just as bad, or worse than Treyarch, but we arn't talking about thosse companies so that's irelevant. As I said I found MoH: Airborune to be incredibly offensive, worse so than this. I just feel this has to stop.

That is why it bothers me. I may not be buying the game, but it presents an attitude that says, "It's ok. They were evil, they deserved to die.", and that is quite frankly wrong by anyone's standards. Any other game genre can get away with it, but WW2 is a real war, and developers should treat it with more tact.

Wanderer5

Wow you are overracting here. Medal of Honor series isn't really the type of series to try to be very realistic. Call of Duty is pretty much the same also, but being a little more realistic. They are just games.

Well it's a portrayal of something isn't it? It is strongly linked to real life events. I feel it's a negative attitude created by these developers. It makes games look bad to be honest. I'm suprised the media hasn't jumped on this, then again, they would rather just point out how violence is wrong instead of tackling issues a bit deeper. But if these developers really took the time to present a grittier and harsher reality (And an actual "reality" instead of good ol shallow MoH world) than what is presented in these games, I think people might take games just a bit more seriously. Nazi zombies is not the way to do that.

[QUOTE="SoraX64"]

WW2 will like...always be the war used in war games.

Like...forever.

and ever.

Why are you still reading this?

Awinagainov

When i played CoD2, i was shocked, as a result, i started to have much more respect for people who risked everything to go protect their freedom

Well it's a portrayal of something isn't it? It is strongly linked to real life events. I feel it's a negative attitude created by these developers. It makes games look bad to be honest. I'm suprised the media hasn't jumped on this, then again, they would rather just point out how violence is wrong instead of tackling issues a bit deeper. But if these developers really took the time to present a grittier and harsher reality (And an actual "reality" instead of good ol shallow MoH world) than what is presented in these games, I think people might take games just a bit more seriously. Nazi zombies is not the way to do that.

WasntAvailable

So what if they portrayal something? Doesn't mean they have to be the reality.

If you guys don't understand how that trailer is insensitive, here's a little test for you.

Go to your old folks who fought in the war, and ask them:

"Hey grandpa, did you feel like such a badass when you gutted that ****? Did you feel that heroic sensation as you mowed that plane to the ground? Did you yell out "*** YEAH!" when you popped the enemy in the head, coz Marcus and Dom say it and it feels so good! Lastly, Pop, was war as cool as it looked in that trailer for Call of Duty: World at War?"

Try that one. Tell me the answer when you get it.

* I use this term to portray the insensitivity the trailer might encourage.

If you guys don't understand how that trailer is insensitive, here's a little test for you.

Go to your old folks who fought in the war, and ask them:

"Hey grandpa, did you feel like such a badass when you gutted that ****? Did you feel that heroic sensation as you mowed that plane to the ground? Did you yell out "*** YEAH!" when you popped the enemy in the head, coz Marcus and Dom say it and it feels so good! Lastly, Pop, was war as cool as it looked in that trailer for Call of Duty: World at War?"

Try that one. Tell me the answer when you get it.

FrozenLiquid

ITS A DAMN GAME!!! god, how can you not realize this? its meant for fun! you want to play a game that makes you sick?

I agree that the trailer is in bad taste. I know that they're simulating war, but that trailer does not depict war as previous games have. THat trailer says 'no rules' and such. It's pretty disgusting actually.

War is enjoyable to those who have never experienced it.

-Alexander Hamilton

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

If you guys don't understand how that trailer is insensitive, here's a little test for you.

Go to your old folks who fought in the war, and ask them:

"Hey grandpa, did you feel like such a badass when you gutted that ****? Did you feel that heroic sensation as you mowed that plane to the ground? Did you yell out "*** YEAH!" when you popped the enemy in the head, coz Marcus and Dom say it and it feels so good! Lastly, Pop, was war as cool as it looked in that trailer for Call of Duty: World at War?"

Try that one. Tell me the answer when you get it.

Sword-Demon

ITS A DAMN GAME!!! god, how can you not realize this? its meant for fun! you want to play a game that makes you sick?

You're not getting this. If the current crop of shooters are so bent on 'realism,' then why don't they portray it like it actually was? In other words, terrifying.

[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]

Well it's a portrayal of something isn't it? It is strongly linked to real life events. I feel it's a negative attitude created by these developers. It makes games look bad to be honest. I'm suprised the media hasn't jumped on this, then again, they would rather just point out how violence is wrong instead of tackling issues a bit deeper. But if these developers really took the time to present a grittier and harsher reality (And an actual "reality" instead of good ol shallow MoH world) than what is presented in these games, I think people might take games just a bit more seriously. Nazi zombies is not the way to do that.

Wanderer5

So what if they portrayal something? Doesn't mean they have to be the reality.

A portrayal of sensitive subject matter should allways be treated with tact. It must be treated with great respect, otherwise it is in bad taste, and I have enough bad after taste from playing MoH: Airbourne. Borderline racist that was if you ask me. Giant Nazis with miniguns and gas masks? Seriously? Tank randomly running over an American soilder for fun, while travely at a snails pace? Come on. I just hope this does things properly instead of trying to demonise the Germans at every possible moment, and I feel Nazi zombies is far enough as it is.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

If you guys don't understand how that trailer is insensitive, here's a little test for you.

Go to your old folks who fought in the war, and ask them:

"Hey grandpa, did you feel like such a badass when you gutted that ****? Did you feel that heroic sensation as you mowed that plane to the ground? Did you yell out "*** YEAH!" when you popped the enemy in the head, coz Marcus and Dom say it and it feels so good! Lastly, Pop, was war as cool as it looked in that trailer for Call of Duty: World at War?"

Try that one. Tell me the answer when you get it.

Sword-Demon

ITS A DAMN GAME!!! god, how can you not realize this? its meant for fun! you want to play a game that makes you sick?

I would also like to add, that if a game that would have that level of reality, I can see the game getting a adult rating, and that bad for business.

[QUOTE="Sword-Demon"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

If you guys don't understand how that trailer is insensitive, here's a little test for you.

Go to your old folks who fought in the war, and ask them:

"Hey grandpa, did you feel like such a badass when you gutted that ****? Did you feel that heroic sensation as you mowed that plane to the ground? Did you yell out "*** YEAH!" when you popped the enemy in the head, coz Marcus and Dom say it and it feels so good! Lastly, Pop, was war as cool as it looked in that trailer for Call of Duty: World at War?"

Try that one. Tell me the answer when you get it.

Lord__Darkstorn

ITS A DAMN GAME!!! god, how can you not realize this? its meant for fun! you want to play a game that makes you sick?

You're not getting this. If the current crop of shooters are so bent on 'realism,' then why don't they portray it like it actually was? In other words, terrifying.

ok, lets look at the movie "300".

did anyone walk out of the theater saying "oh those poor spartans... i never realized what they went through.." no, they were like "**** yeah!! that movie kicked ass!!!! those persians didnt know what they had comin to em!!!"

its the same thing, theyre putting a "badass" spin on a war. its not meant to offend anyone

I would like to make a WW2 game where you play as a German soldier, entirelly unaware of what your party was doing and thinking you were doing the right thing.
organic_machine

Just leave the politics out of it. Were talking about soilders here, not politics. On the battlefield the only thing that should be on the mind of any good soilder is staying alive, and doing a good job. Without that, they are dead, and even staying alive is not a certainty in an unpredictable enviroment. There is no good or evil in a battle, only the will to survive. Whether or not the main character agreed with the Nazi ideologies would be irellevant. Playing as the Germans isn't to good an idea though, considering they lost. You could make it harsher and more realistic, but at the end of the day, you could never portray the Germans as winning, so it's difficult to work with, and keep the player motivated. It could be done, but I don't think anyone is ready to actually do it properly. All I really wan't is just a little bit more respect for the dead.

Edit: Mispelling. Not Polotics. Sounds like a good name for a mint flaourved sweet though.

[QUOTE="organic_machine"]I would like to make a WW2 game where you play as a German soldier, entirelly unaware of what your party was doing and thinking you were doing the right thing.
WasntAvailable

Just leave the politics out of it. Were talking about soilders here, not politics. On the battlefield the only thing that should be on the mind of any good soilder is staying alive, and doing a good job. Without that, they are dead, and even staying alive is not a certainty in an unpredictable enviroment. There is no good or evil in a battle, only the will to survive. Whether or not the main character agreed with the Nazi ideologies would be irellevant. Playing as the Germans isn't to good an idea though, considering they lost. You could make it harsher and more realistic, but at the end of the day, you could never portray the Germans as winning, so it's difficult to work with, and keep the player motivated. It could be done, but I don't think anyone is ready to actually do it properly. All I really wan't is just a little bit more respect for the dead.

Edit: Mispelling. Not Polotics. Sounds like a good name for a mint flaourved sweet though.

That would kinda be my point. A battle for survival. A large empire coming to it's knees. And you in the very middle of it. It would make a terrifying game.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

If you guys don't understand how that trailer is insensitive, here's a little test for you.

Go to your old folks who fought in the war, and ask them:

"Hey grandpa, did you feel like such a badass when you gutted that ****? Did you feel that heroic sensation as you mowed that plane to the ground? Did you yell out "*** YEAH!" when you popped the enemy in the head, coz Marcus and Dom say it and it feels so good! Lastly, Pop, was war as cool as it looked in that trailer for Call of Duty: World at War?"

Try that one. Tell me the answer when you get it.

Sword-Demon

ITS A DAMN GAME!!! god, how can you not realize this? its meant for fun! you want to play a game that makes you sick?

I'm sorry when did games stop carrying a sense of responsibility?

When television, film, literature and music have carried responsibility throughout the years, video games, because they're implicitly "harmless", are allowed to do whatever the hell it wants?

That trailer isn't actually showing off the grittiness of war. Mass graves and Radiohead (kidding) show it off. When you add rock music, it's not honouring the vets. It's just for people to watch Japanese soldiers being burned alive while you think, "Damn, that's so bad ass!"

That's their way of attracting the casuals, I hate to say. If Gears did that, we'd all go "**** YEAH!". But because WW2 is somewhat touchy material, it's just a little distasteful. I might understand there be some sort of trailer like it when a Vietnam or Iraqi Freedom game pops up, but during WW2, it just doesn't fit, because that's not the brutality of war. That's the kicking-as-much-ass-as-possible-in-one-minute of war. Could you honestly respect Saving Private Ryan if they added some hardcore rockout music during the beach landing?

Also, I have never seen MoH as a tribute to the veterans. I enjoy it for nostalgia and the soundtrack, really. It's almost like the Dirty Dozen, or some other 70's action flick. Brothers in Arms does WW2 right. It shows enough respect for veterans, while managing to be a shooter.