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#1 ropumar
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Stop the comparision of console graphics with PC games, it is nonsense.

Any PC game can have graphics that a console wouldn't be able to replicate. Even half-life 2 can have graphics that would make consoles fry if they tried to replicate at the same level.

Half-life 2 ,a 2004 game, if was running on a PC with maximum quality, 16AA,16AF , on a monitor with 2560 x 1600 pixels with 120 framerate per second would be something that graphically and technically no console would be able to replicate.

Because the power of PCs are limitless, since they as a platform can evolve indefinitely, and because games can be scaled upwards the PCs OPTIMAL TECHNICALL performace will never be achieved by any console.

There is no logic in comparing consoles to PC, imagine lens of truth comparing a game like MW2 on a console (600p, 4AA,60fps) agaisnt MW2 (2560 x 1600, 16AA, 100+fps)

If there was a ps3 emulator software available at the moment, the ETHUSIASTS HIGH END PCs would already have the raw power to emulate Uncharted 2. We haven't seen Uncharted 2 running on a PC simply because making the software emulator is the hardest part, especially because of that damn CELL architeture and because no one is really interest in doing a emulator right now.

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#2 rook2rook
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pc is dieying slowly.

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#3 cainetao11
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I agree there is little a console can say in the comparison with PC. But this is SW and all are included, there are no sub divisions or console exclusivity. I say the rules stand and consoles just accept arguing over which games look better, but there is only one graphics crown, even if the PC has an advantage.
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#4 hypoty
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pc is dieying slowly.

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#5 MORBID98
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[QUOTE="rook2rook"]

pc is dieying slowly.

hypoty

... since 1985

LMAO i gotta recognize that made me rofl rook2rook. now bow, before your supreme pc master race.
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#7 rook2rook
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[QUOTE="hypoty"]

[QUOTE="rook2rook"]

pc is dieying slowly.

MORBID98

... since 1985

LMAO i gotta recognize that made me rofl rook2rook. now bow, before your supreme pc master race.

from what ive see on the ps3 pc will not have the crown in the aftermath of ps3 not to mention 1080p, blue ray.

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[QUOTE="MORBID98"][QUOTE="hypoty"]

... since 1985

rook2rook

LMAO i gotta recognize that made me rofl rook2rook. now bow, before your supreme pc master race.

from what ive see on the ps3 pc will not have the crown in the aftermath of ps3 not to mention 1080p, blue ray.

if your PS3 actually ran games in 1080p than you might have a point.

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#9 Marfoo
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I looked up transistor counts on the Xbox360's hardware. A single ATI Radeon HD 4870 has more transistors than the 360's cpu and gpu combined, not to mention just as much or more memory than the whole system. Console hardware was out of date by the time it hit consumers, if not sooner. PC will always be the most potentially powerful system. The cons, it's expensive. But if you look at it as you also get anawesome computer that does more than just game it's not so bad.
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#10 JigglyWiggly_
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People tend to forget the reason a pc is more expensive is because games are not solely their purpose. Hell is gaming was the only purpose of a pc, I might not even own one.
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#11 skrat_01
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Tell that to the cows. Console games can look visually spectacular, comparisons are needless, when the PCs technical proficiency stands.

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#12 ThePsTriple
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its not nonsense, i have uncharted 2 and killzone 2 and they both look better than the majority of pc games, uncharted 2 looks better than crysis in some ways.
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its not nonsense, i have uncharted 2 and killzone 2 and they both look better than the majority of pc games, uncharted 2 looks better than crysis in some ways.ThePsTriple
Looking at your screen name, there is no way anyone will believe your looking at games objectively. I own all 3 consoles and a basically decent PC. No way does KZ2 or U2 outdo Crysis imo, or technically.
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#14 EGRO_RenagadeX
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a pc may be great, besides the viruses, ha!, but the ps3 is greater, cus' it's basicly a super computer, not a computer at all, that's why uncharted 2, killzone 2, gt5 etc... beat many pc games due to graphics terms.
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its not nonsense, i have uncharted 2 and killzone 2 and they both look better than the majority of pc games, uncharted 2 looks better than crysis in some ways.ThePsTriple
a pc may be great, besides the viruses, ha!, but the ps3 is greater, cus' it's basicly a super computer, not a computer at all, that's why uncharted 2, killzone 2, gt5 etc... beat many pc games due to graphics terms.EGRO_RenagadeX
How old are you fellas?
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#17 Marfoo
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its not nonsense, i have uncharted 2 and killzone 2 and they both look better than the majority of pc games, uncharted 2 looks better than crysis in some ways.ThePsTriple
Some games may look better because of their art direction, but in terms of raw pixel pushing power, you can do a lot more on PC. Crysis has FAR MORE going on under the hood than either of those games. Whether it looks good is still subject to opinion though . It's a shame great games like those don't come to PC.
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#18 Asim90
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I'm no PC gamer but I know enough to say the TC is completely right, I've said the same thing before but it doesn't make any difference. There will always be ---- VS Crysis screens around here.

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#19 TheSterls
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You kind of lost all creadability when you said HL2 can bring consoles to shame. HL2 looks average at best by console standards and no no high end pc would be able to Emulate a PS3 game , you are probalby about 2 to 3 years away from that but nice try. You have done nothing but make hermits look terrible.

PS. Consoles would never waste the time to output anything above 1080p as no tv supports it .Once you get to 1080p all you need is about 2xAA and the jaggies are gone so you are basically stating the pc with all that extra power is simply wasting it.

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#20 Tessellation
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its not nonsense, i have uncharted 2 and killzone 2 and they both look better than the majority of pc games, uncharted 2 looks better than crysis in some ways.ThePsTriple
Cool opinion! too bad you're wrong.
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#22 TheSterls
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I'm no PC gamer but I know enough to say the TC is completely right, I've said the same thing before but it doesn't make any difference. There will always be ---- VS Crysis screens around here.

Asim90

But thats not what he said , he said comparing console games to pc games is ridiculous and how could it be when a console had the best looking game this year. PC gamers act like Crysis is the standard for pc gaming and its not its the excpetion . Its the best looking game on the market i dont think theres anything wrong with comparing the average titles that come out.

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#23 lewisg1212
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you know...PC gaming is SO amazing that in my local store they have 2 shelves for games now... and SO amazing that its shrinking on average of about 25% each year. yeah...amazing.
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#24 Valiant_Rebel
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you know...PC gaming is SO amazing that in my local store they have 2 shelves for games now... and SO amazing that its shrinking on average of about 25% each year. yeah...amazing. lewisg1212

Cause Digital Distribution doesn't exist or anything. DD is just a mind trick. Also, all of PC gaming revolves around your local store.

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you know...PC gaming is SO amazing that in my local store they have 2 shelves for games now... and SO amazing that its shrinking on average of about 25% each year. yeah...amazing. lewisg1212

quite amazing considering how much more effiecient it is to buy games off services like Steam. You would think buy now retail stores would have figured out they cant compete.

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#26 racing1750
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I've always found it ridiculous aswell, but fanboys believe the PS3 has hidden power, when in reality it's very similar to the 360.
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#27 dakan45
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Even half-life 2 can have graphics that would make consoles fry if they tried to replicate at the same level.ropumar

:roll: Ok, i see your point, so because i can use SLI on my pc and set my antialising x32 with nvidia control panel, that equals to better graphics?

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#28 lewisg1212
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those figures have DD factored into them... seriously, i admire pc fanboys for there...steadfast dedication as such, but you cant deny that the usebase base is shrinking rather rapidly.
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[QUOTE="ropumar"]Even half-life 2 can have graphics that would make consoles fry if they tried to replicate at the same level.dakan45

:roll: Ok, i see your point, so because i can use SLI on my pc and set my antialising x32 with nvidia control panel, that equals to better graphics?

no, but the fact that you can download this does: http://www.cinematicmod.com/" title="http://www.cinematicmod.com/">http://www.cinematicmod.com/

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#30 cobrax25
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those figures have DD factored into them... seriously, i admire pc fanboys for there...steadfast dedication as such, but you cant deny that the usebase base is shrinking rather rapidly.lewisg1212

uh...no, their numbers do not factor in DD...they have been saying that for years.

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#31 hypoty
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those figures have DD factored into them... seriously, i admire pc fanboys for there...steadfast dedication as such, but you cant deny that the usebase base is shrinking rather rapidly.lewisg1212

What figures are you referring to?

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#32 ilikedrit
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A PC may have higher graphical capabilities, but that doesn't imply full utilization. Most PC games I have seen have graphics on par with PS3 graphics. The gap is closing.
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#33 dakan45
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[QUOTE="dakan45"]

[QUOTE="ropumar"]Even half-life 2 can have graphics that would make consoles fry if they tried to replicate at the same level.cobrax25

:roll: Ok, i see your point, so because i can use SLI on my pc and set my antialising x32 with nvidia control panel, that equals to better graphics?

no, but the fact that you can download this does: http://www.cinematicmod.com/" title="http://www.cinematicmod.com/">http://www.cinematicmod.com/

Yup, but thats not part of the actual game. Like fallout 3 hd textures, nice i concur, but not the actual game that is FARRRRRRRRRRRRRR superior on the pc!! I

am not saying that pc does not have better graphics than consoles but the "The PC version Destroyes the console version in every way" kinda annoys me sometimes!! Some games have a highly visible diffirence in graphics but not every game out there!

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[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="ThePsTriple"]its not nonsense, i have uncharted 2 and killzone 2 and they both look better than the majority of pc games, uncharted 2 looks better than crysis in some ways.TheSterls

Cool opinion! too bad you're wrong.

Id say hes right in alot of ways. If you think the majority of pc games hold a candle to KZ2 or UNC2 your delusional . As far as UNC2 looking better in Crysis in some ways it does have it soundly beat in animations which yes that does take alot of processing power . Overall though yes Crysis is the best looking game currently available.

Yes keep telling yourself that..it won't make it true tho..you sure havent play crysis at max settings,crysis kills uncharted 2 and killzone 2 in every department.
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[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] Cool opinion! too bad you're wrong.Tessellation

Id say hes right in alot of ways. If you think the majority of pc games hold a candle to KZ2 or UNC2 your delusional . As far as UNC2 looking better in Crysis in some ways it does have it soundly beat in animations which yes that does take alot of processing power . Overall though yes Crysis is the best looking game currently available.

Yes keep telling yourself that..it won't make it true tho..you sure havent play crysis at max settings,crysis kills uncharted 2 and killzone 2 in every department.

How many people, PC gamers even, play Crysis at max settings? If you shell out the cash to buy an amazingly high-end computer just to play one or two games at max settings, I think you need to set your priorities straight. And as someone else said, games like Crysis are not the rule, but the exception. Crysis is an example of what a PC is capable of (correction: what an extremely high-end PC is capable of, which the vast majority don't have). Crysis is certainly not the rule.
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Yup, but thats not part of the actual game. Like fallout 3 hd textures, nice i concur, but not the actual game that is FARRRRRRRRRRRRRR superior on the pc!! I

am not saying that pc does not have better graphics than consoles but the "The PC version Destroyes the console version in every way" kinda annoys me sometimes!! Some games have a highly visible diffirence in graphics but not every game out there!

dakan45
Even if its a mod, that is the actual game. Because the hardware on the PC can render it, the game is 'superior' on the platform. Things like mods cannot be ignored when their impact is ever present.
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[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="TheSterls"]

Id say hes right in alot of ways. If you think the majority of pc games hold a candle to KZ2 or UNC2 your delusional . As far as UNC2 looking better in Crysis in some ways it does have it soundly beat in animations which yes that does take alot of processing power . Overall though yes Crysis is the best looking game currently available.

ilikedrit

Yes keep telling yourself that..it won't make it true tho..you sure havent play crysis at max settings,crysis kills uncharted 2 and killzone 2 in every department.

How many people, PC gamers even, play Crysis at max settings? If you shell out the cash to buy an amazingly high-end computer just to play one or two games at max settings, I think you need to set your priorities straight. And as someone else said, games like Crysis are not the rule, but the exception. Crysis is an example of what a PC is capable of (correction: what an extremely high-end PC is capable of, which the vast majority don't have). Crysis is certainly not the rule.

It isn't 2007 anymore, getting Crysis to run on max isn't the be all and end all. PC hardware has never been cheaper. According to the Steam Hardware Survey the majority have PC's capable of maxing out Crysis. I'd be more impressed if someone went out and purchased a gaming PC that couldn't max Crysis with at least x2AA at this stage.

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#38 skrat_01
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[QUOTE="ilikedrit"] If you shell out the cash to buy an amazingly high-end computer just to play one or two games at max settings, I think you need to set your priorities straight. And as someone else said, games like Crysis are not the rule, but the exception. Crysis is an example of what a PC is capable of (correction: what an extremely high-end PC is capable of, which the vast majority don't have). Crysis is certainly not the rule.

Why do people shell out for a console on release, just to play one game? Tell that to people I know who payed $1000 AUD for a PS3 on release. Otherwise PC hardware is grossly overpowered per price, the notion of 'high end systems' costing a huge amount or constant upgrades are nonsense. My PC cost as much as a PS3 here in 2007, runs Crysis perfectly fine on 'high' settings, at native monitor resolution. Games are not simply 'maxed' out (Very High), running Crysis on great settings isn't a feat, especially with 'cheap gaming hardware' today. What is a feat is piling on things like high levels (i.e x16) of filtering (anti ailaising for instance).
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#39 ShadowriverUB
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[QUOTE="rook2rook"]

pc is dieying slowly.

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It was even that strong that time? i seen more Amiga and Commodore 64 gamers then PC back in early 90s

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#40 Dick_Derringer
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Crysis at 720p 2xAA and 30FPS still looks better than any console game.
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#41 hypoty
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[QUOTE="hypoty"]

[QUOTE="rook2rook"]

pc is dieying slowly.

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It was even that strong that time?i seen more Amiga and Commodore 64 gamers then PC back in early 90s

The Commodore 64 and the Amiga's are classified as PC's.

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If there was a ps3 emulator software available at the moment, the ETHUSIASTS HIGH END PCs would already have the raw power to emulate Uncharted 2. We haven't seen Uncharted 2 running on a PC simply because making the software emulator is the hardest part, especially because of that damn CELL architeture and because no one is really interest in doing a emulator right now.

ropumar

No way, Jose. No PC technology in existence can emulate an eight-core Cell BE...nor perhaps any of variants. They're radically different architectures, and differing architectures create computational costs in emulating them...and even modern Core i's are not that much more powerful than Cells that emulating them in realtime is feasible anytime soon. Even the PS2 cannot always be emulated at full speed today.

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#43 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="dakan45"]

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="dakan45"]

:roll: Ok, i see your point, so because i can use SLI on my pc and set my antialising x32 with nvidia control panel, that equals to better graphics?

no, but the fact that you can download this does: http://www.cinematicmod.com/" title="http://www.cinematicmod.com/">http://www.cinematicmod.com/

Yup, but thats not part of the actual game. Like fallout 3 hd textures, nice i concur, but not the actual game that is FARRRRRRRRRRRRRR superior on the pc!! I

am not saying that pc does not have better graphics than consoles but the "The PC version Destroyes the console version in every way" kinda annoys me sometimes!! Some games have a highly visible diffirence in graphics but not every game out there!

Console ported games doesn't use PC's memory capabilities e.g. 1GB VRAM.
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#44 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]

[QUOTE="ropumar"]

If there was a ps3 emulator software available at the moment, the ETHUSIASTS HIGH END PCs would already have the raw power to emulate Uncharted 2. We haven't seen Uncharted 2 running on a PC simply because making the software emulator is the hardest part, especially because of that damn CELL architeture and because no one is really interest in doing a emulator right now.

No way, Jose. No PC technology in existence can emulate an eight-core Cell BE...nor perhaps any of variants. They're radically different architectures, and differing architectures create computational costs in emulating them...and even modern Core i's are not that much more powerful than Cells that emulating them in realtime is feasible anytime soon. Even the PS2 cannot always be emulated at full speed today.

Freebee emulation technology is primative compared to Transitive (now owned by IBM) i.e. technology behind Apple's Rosetta.
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#45 hot114
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I'm sorry but this is not even worth discussing beyone the TC statement that PC's continue to evolve while consoles are technically outdated from release.

The only good thing going for consoles is they are idiot proof and the games are actually "optimised" while PC games get away with sloppy code as expecting the hardware to overpower the theyr technical lazyness.
The only studio that still takes a exception to this in this day and age where 4G ram is becoming default would have to be blizzard.

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#46 Burning-Sludge
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Stop the comparision of console graphics with PC games, it is nonsense.

Any PC game can have graphics that a console wouldn't be able to replicate. Even half-life 2 can have graphics that would make consoles fry if they tried to replicate at the same level.

Half-life 2 ,a 2004 game, if was running on a PC with maximum quality, 16AA,16AF , on a monitor with 2560 x 1600 pixels with 120 framerate per second would be something that graphically and technically no console would be able to replicate.

Because the power of PCs are limitless, since they as a platform can evolve indefinitely, and because games can be scaled upwards the PCs OPTIMAL TECHNICALL performace will never be achieved by any console.

There is no logic in comparing consoles to PC, imagine lens of truth comparing a game like MW2 on a console (600p, 4AA,60fps) agaisnt MW2 (2560 x 1600, 16AA, 100+fps)

If there was a ps3 emulator software available at the moment, the ETHUSIASTS HIGH END PCs would already have the raw power to emulate Uncharted 2. We haven't seen Uncharted 2 running on a PC simply because making the software emulator is the hardest part, especially because of that damn CELL architeture and because no one is really interest in doing a emulator right now.

ropumar

Too bad for PC enthusiast that the price of PCs is as limitless as the power.

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#47 vashxsk8erx12
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Console fps are awesome, MW2 may be a big hit fps for consoles. But its nothing compared to ARMA 2...

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#48 SecretPolice
Member since 2007 • 45558 Posts

[QUOTE="ThePsTriple"]its not nonsense, i have uncharted 2 and killzone 2 and they both look better than the majority of pc games, uncharted 2 looks better than crysis in some ways.farrell2k
The only time Uncharted 2 looks better than Crysis is when you're drunk, stand 30 ft. away from the TV, and squint both eyes!

That's pretty good since it's both funny but fairly accurate as well. :P

On topic, I agree.

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#49 Brainkiller05
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HL2 was a good example, considering HL2 on highest settings on PC looks better than HL2 on consoles, consoles can't even max a game from 2004.
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#50 lundy86_4
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those figures have DD factored into them... seriously, i admire pc fanboys for there...steadfast dedication as such, but you cant deny that the usebase base is shrinking rather rapidly.lewisg1212

Even shrinking, the userbase is much bigger than all the consoles combined, and that's just for gaming.

So I fail to see your point.