Concerning the PS3 GPU and 360's

Does anyone have any idea if the PS3 GPU helped by Cell (Helping the GPU do graphics) can outdo the 360s??? I know that on its own, the PS3 GPU isn't as good...but along side the cell (if done right) can it surpase the 360's GPU?

Also, Its a no brainer that the PS3 has a bigger CPU advantage over the 360, while the 360 has a slight GPU advantage.

Your thoughts?

Let me google some stuff up and I'll get back to ya, k?

It doesn't mean anything without the games, and PS3 so far has no games worth playing. And in Europe the story is the same for Wii.

Out of three next gen consoles only 360 is doing it's job, very sad.

It doesn't mean anything without the games, and PS3 so far has no games worth playing. And in Europe the story is the same for Wii.

Out of three next gen consoles only 360 is doing it's job, very sad.

NickyJD

Easy there, buddy..if you haven't got anything better to say, than don't say it. Maybe people should give the PS3 a chance since its only been out for 5 months...it has yet to show of its bigger titles. the 360 has had over a year...its common sense.  

It doesn't mean anything without the games, and PS3 so far has no games worth playing. And in Europe the story is the same for Wii.

Out of three next gen consoles only 360 is doing it's job, very sad.

NickyJD

yeah, but both consoles have good games coming for them in the future. Really, is it that surprising that the 360 has better games atm?

Let me google some stuff up and I'll get back to ya, k?

Fruity_Fantasy

You won't find nothing...tho you could cut down on the smart arsing....hows that? 

It doesn't mean anything without the games, and PS3 so far has no games worth playing. And in Europe the story is the same for Wii.

Out of three next gen consoles only 360 is doing it's job, very sad.

NickyJD

What are you talking about, there's at least 12 games that are awesome on the PS3 right now, and with the Q3 and Q4 releases the PS3 will be booming with high quality games, the 360 didn't have this much good games in it's first year(and most of the good games needed 2 or 3 patches before they actually worked properly), so the PS3 is of to the best start of any of the 3 Next-Gen consoles out there.

[QUOTE="NickyJD"]

It doesn't mean anything without the games, and PS3 so far has no games worth playing. And in Europe the story is the same for Wii.

Out of three next gen consoles only 360 is doing it's job, very sad.

-Maddog-

Easy there, buddy..if you haven't got anything better to say, than don't say it. Maybe people should give the PS3 a chance since its only been out for 5 months...it has yet to show of its bigger titles. the 360 has had over a year...its common sense.  

the wiis worse. its only game with any sort of retaining value is arguably better on the gamecube.

put simply, no. while the cpu can help somewhat the textures, it doesn't help at all withe actual polygons, color richness, contrast, lighting and effects.Big_T-Mac

I can't take your word for it..unless your some DEV, which i seriouslly DOUBT. 

put simply, no. while the cpu can help somewhat the textures, it doesn't help at all withe actual polygons, color richness, contrast, lighting and effects.Big_T-Mac

[QUOTE="NickyJD"]

It doesn't mean anything without the games, and PS3 so far has no games worth playing. And in Europe the story is the same for Wii.

Out of three next gen consoles only 360 is doing it's job, very sad.

Nene33

What are you talking about, there's at least 12 games that are awesome on the PS3 right now, and with the Q3 and Q4 releases the PS3 will be booming with high quality games, the 360 didn't have this much good games in it's first year(and most of the good games needed 2 or 3 patches before they actually worked properly), so the PS3 is of to the best start of any of the 3 Next-Gen consoles out there.

great games from nov 8 (earliest review) - april 15 07 on ps3: 16. avg score: 8.25625

hardly the best start of any console ever ;)

[QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"]put simply, no. while the cpu can help somewhat the textures, it doesn't help at all withe actual polygons, color richness, contrast, lighting and effects.-Maddog-

I can't take your word for it..unless your some DEV, which i seriouslly DOUBT. 

Does anyone have any idea if the PS3 GPU helped by Cell (Helping the GPU do graphics) can outdo the 360s??? I know that on its own, the PS3 GPU isn't as good...but along side the cell (if done right) can it surpase the 360's GPU?

Also, Its a no brainer that the PS3 has a bigger CPU advantage over the 360, while the 360 has a slight GPU advantage.

 

Your thoughts?

 

-Maddog-

[QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"]put simply, no. while the cpu can help somewhat the textures, it doesn't help at all withe actual polygons, color richness, contrast, lighting and effects.Teufelhuhn

so ur telling me everyones "art design" for the ps3 ports are to have a more washed out look on the ps3 than the 360 counterparts?  i seriously doubt that.

and i use the term effects in regards to all the extra subtleties in a game such as motion blur, light bloom, and certain particle effects, wetc, etc.

[QUOTE="-Maddog-"]

[QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"]put simply, no. while the cpu can help somewhat the textures, it doesn't help at all withe actual polygons, color richness, contrast, lighting and effects.Big_T-Mac

I can't take your word for it..unless your some DEV, which i seriouslly DOUBT.

Does anyone have any idea if the PS3 GPU helped by Cell (Helping the GPU do graphics) can outdo the 360s??? I know that on its own, the PS3 GPU isn't as good...but along side the cell (if done right) can it surpase the 360's GPU?

Also, Its a no brainer that the PS3 has a bigger CPU advantage over the 360, while the 360 has a slight GPU advantage.

 

Your thoughts?

 

-Maddog-

then WHY THE HELL DID U ASK? did u honestly think there were devs up at damn near 6 am willing to answer silly lil questions from kids on the internet regarding console power? no. i think its safe to say this entire thread deserves a lock, considering u made iit for the sole purpose of defending ur beloved system.

lol, CHILL...A link and some proof to back it up..would of been nice...since your seem sooo sure. You plain and simply said NO! I was thinking some had a fairy good idea of how the cell actually works regarding graphics....with some links. and 6am...like everyone body lives where you do...yeah sure. 

[QUOTE="NickyJD"]

It doesn't mean anything without the games, and PS3 so far has no games worth playing. And in Europe the story is the same for Wii.

Out of three next gen consoles only 360 is doing it's job, very sad.

-Maddog-

Easy there, buddy..if you haven't got anything better to say, than don't say it. Maybe people should give the PS3 a chance since its only been out for 5 months...it has yet to show of its bigger titles. the 360 has had over a year...its common sense.

It sure is.

You know its nice to see someone who atleast seems somewhat Sony orientated to not be a fanboy. 

so ur telling me everyones "art design" for the ps3 ports are to have a more washed out look on the ps3 than the 360 counterparts? i seriously doubt that.

Big_T-Mac

I'm not sure what you're talking about but umm...sure. Bright colors ain't exactly a GPU feature, all modern GPU's output the same color depth.

I mean, this doesn't exactly look "washed out" to me.

[QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"][QUOTE="-Maddog-"]

[QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"]put simply, no. while the cpu can help somewhat the textures, it doesn't help at all withe actual polygons, color richness, contrast, lighting and effects.-Maddog-

I can't take your word for it..unless your some DEV, which i seriouslly DOUBT.

Does anyone have any idea if the PS3 GPU helped by Cell (Helping the GPU do graphics) can outdo the 360s??? I know that on its own, the PS3 GPU isn't as good...but along side the cell (if done right) can it surpase the 360's GPU?

Also, Its a no brainer that the PS3 has a bigger CPU advantage over the 360, while the 360 has a slight GPU advantage.

 

Your thoughts?

 

-Maddog-

then WHY THE HELL DID U ASK? did u honestly think there were devs up at damn near 6 am willing to answer silly lil questions from kids on the internet regarding console power? no. i think its safe to say this entire thread deserves a lock, considering u made iit for the sole purpose of defending ur beloved system.

lol, CHILL...A link and some proof to back it up..would of been nice...since your seem sooo sure. You plain and simply said NO! I was thinking some had a fairy good idea of how the cell actually works regarding graphics....with some links. and 6am...like everyone body lives where you do...yeah sure. 

[QUOTE="-Maddog-"][QUOTE="NickyJD"]

It doesn't mean anything without the games, and PS3 so far has no games worth playing. And in Europe the story is the same for Wii.

Out of three next gen consoles only 360 is doing it's job, very sad.

Big_T-Mac

Easy there, buddy..if you haven't got anything better to say, than don't say it. Maybe people should give the PS3 a chance since its only been out for 5 months...it has yet to show of its bigger titles. the 360 has had over a year...its common sense.  

the wiis worse. its only game with any sort of retaining value is arguably better on the gamecube.

[QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"]put simply, no. while the cpu can help somewhat the textures, it doesn't help at all withe actual polygons, color richness, contrast, lighting and effects.-Maddog-

I can't take your word for it..unless your some DEV, which i seriouslly DOUBT.

[QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"]put simply, no. while the cpu can help somewhat the textures, it doesn't help at all withe actual polygons, color richness, contrast, lighting and effects.-Maddog-

I can't take your word for it..unless your some DEV, which i seriouslly DOUBT.

youre just asking a question and anyone who says no, you'll argue with them based on nothing 

[QUOTE="NickyJD"]

It doesn't mean anything without the games, and PS3 so far has no games worth playing. And in Europe the story is the same for Wii.

Out of three next gen consoles only 360 is doing it's job, very sad.

-Maddog-

Easy there, buddy..if you haven't got anything better to say, than don't say it. Maybe people should give the PS3 a chance since its only been out for 5 months...it has yet to show of its bigger titles. the 360 has had over a year...its common sense.

It sure is.

You know its nice to see someone who atleast seems somewhat Sony orientated to not be a fanboy. 

[QUOTE="-Maddog-"]

[QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"]put simply, no. while the cpu can help somewhat the textures, it doesn't help at all withe actual polygons, color richness, contrast, lighting and effects.darrowby88

I can't take your word for it..unless your some DEV, which i seriouslly DOUBT.

[QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"]put simply, no. while the cpu can help somewhat the textures, it doesn't help at all withe actual polygons, color richness, contrast, lighting and effects.-Maddog-

I can't take your word for it..unless your some DEV, which i seriouslly DOUBT.

youre just asking a question and anyone who says no, you'll argue with them based on nothing 

notice how he has yet to argue with anyone who denies ps3's "superiority."

The CELL can help the GPU (RSX) to process shaders and geometry, fisics and very others things...

making the GPU free to process other things in better form...

The CELL probably is the matter of the better graphics in the PS3 Oblivion version...

Because the CELL maybe still helping the RSX processing the geometry. leaving

he GPU free to run the game with better framerate and better textures.

RSX >>>> ATi/360

ATi/360 pipelines

- 48 shader pipelines

- each pipline produces 2 sops ( shader operations per secound )

- a total of 96 shader operations per secound

 RSX pipelines

- 24 shader pipelines

- each pipeline produces 5.7 sops ( shader operations per secound )

- a total of 136 sops

and the 360's 10mb edram has nothing on the ps3's " Rambus Flex IO( funny how no one talks about that)

i dont no what the ps3 devs are up to becasue ps3 cleary outpowers the 360 CPU and GPU wise, i guess it must be really hard for them to come to grips with the programming skills needed to develope on the ps3 

*gibberish and rhetoric* XINTSUAI2

RSX >>>> ATi/360

 

ATi/360 pipelines

- 48 shader pipelines

- each pipline produces 2 sops ( shader operations per secound )

- a total of 96 shader operations per secound

 RSX pipelines

- 24 shader pipelines

- each pipeline produces 5.7 sops ( shader operations per secound )

- a total of 136 sops

 

and the 360's 10mb edram has nothing on the ps3's " Rambus Flex IO( funny how no one talks about that)

i dont no what the ps3 devs are up to becasue ps3 cleary outpowers the 360 CPU and GPU wise, i guess it must be really hard for them to come to grips with the programming skills needed to develope on the ps3 

 

-MoOkS-

All Xbox-fanboy speak this, but what the developer of the game say is that has two matter for the better version of the Oblivion...

1- TIME

2- CELL

The reality is that the PS3 has more power when utilized in optimized form.

It doesn't mean anything without the games, and PS3 so far has no games worth playing. And in Europe the story is the same for Wii.

Out of three next gen consoles only 360 is doing it's job, very sad.

NickyJD

Wow, another over stated opinion from a clueless lemming.   I'm pretty sure both PS3 & Wii have games that accomodate to both machines owners & fans.  I for one love motorstorm, resistance, nba street & fnr3 on my ps3 & I'm sure Wii owners love Zelda & such.    

You sir, are an idiot if you think PS3 & Wii aren't at least in the same ball park that 360 was at the same stage in it's lifecycle.        Stop being such a blind3ed fanboy. 

RSX >>>> ATi/360

 

ATi/360 pipelines

- 48 shader pipelines

- each pipline produces 2 sops ( shader operations per secound )

- a total of 96 shader operations per secound

 RSX pipelines

- 24 shader pipelines

- each pipeline produces 5.7 sops ( shader operations per secound )

- a total of 136 sops

 

and the 360's 10mb edram has nothing on the ps3's " Rambus Flex IO( funny how no one talks about that)

i dont no what the ps3 devs are up to becasue ps3 cleary outpowers the 360 CPU and GPU wise, i guess it must be really hard for them to come to grips with the programming skills needed to develope on the ps3 

 

-MoOkS-

http://www.howardforums.com/archive/topic/1066963-1.html

note how he actually CITES HIS SOURCES.

[QUOTE="XINTSUAI2"] *gibberish and rhetoric* Big_T-Mac

spoken like a true fanboy.Big_T-Mac

 

 

The CELL can help the GPU (RSX) to process shaders and geometry, fisics and very others things...

making the GPU free to process other things in better form...

 

The CELL probably is the matter of the better graphics in the PS3 Oblivion version...

Because the CELL maybe still helping the RSX processing the geometry. leaving

he GPU free to run the game with better framerate and better textures.

 

XINTSUAI2

RSX doesnt needs help with shaders , it has alot more than 360s GPU

[QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"][QUOTE="XINTSUAI2"] *gibberish and rhetoric* Jack-Napier

spoken like a true fanboy.Big_T-Mac

im done with this juvenile argument. i'll wait til a multiplat game looks better on ps3 than the 360 before i feel the need to reassert facts into system wars.

[QUOTE="-MoOkS-"]

RSX >>>> ATi/360

 

ATi/360 pipelines

- 48 shader pipelines

- each pipline produces 2 sops ( shader operations per secound )

- a total of 96 shader operations per secound

 RSX pipelines

- 24 shader pipelines

- each pipeline produces 5.7 sops ( shader operations per secound )

- a total of 136 sops

 

and the 360's 10mb edram has nothing on the ps3's " Rambus Flex IO( funny how no one talks about that)

i dont no what the ps3 devs are up to becasue ps3 cleary outpowers the 360 CPU and GPU wise, i guess it must be really hard for them to come to grips with the programming skills needed to develope on the ps3 

 

Big_T-Mac

http://www.howardforums.com/archive/topic/1066963-1.html

note how he actually CITES HIS SOURCES.

well ps3 gpu = 7600gt and x360 gpu = x850 performance with sm3 and unified shaders so they are pretty evenly match with the 360 having a very small advantage, ati has said the 360 is much the same performnace as a x850imprezawrx500

WTF its not a 7600gt its a modified 7800gt 

Short answer yes, even shorter answer no.

the PS3 has no reason to have worse graphics... because the xbox 360 and the ps3 was complete about the same time and was given to the developers the same time...but was delayed because of the blue-ray was so expensive but was done about the same time as the xbox 360 so developers has had about the same time to build figure out the CPUmetallica_one

finally some common sense...ps'3 is better though:P 

[QUOTE="metallica_one"]the PS3 has no reason to have worse graphics... because the xbox 360 and the ps3 was complete about the same time and was given to the developers the same time...but was delayed because of the blue-ray was so expensive but was done about the same time as the xbox 360 so developers has had about the same time to build figure out the CPU-MoOkS-

finally some common sense...ps'3 is better though:P

[QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"]put simply, no. while the cpu can help somewhat the textures, it doesn't help at all withe actual polygons, color richness, contrast, lighting and effects.-Maddog-

I can't take your word for it..unless your some DEV, which i seriouslly DOUBT.

Then why post this question here on SW? Your just trolling. 

if you can't take someones word for it, then why even ask here on gamespot?

Let me help put what Big_T said... if the GPU did not matter why even if you have a overclocked liquid cool processor in a pc do you HAVE to have a graphics card for the top games... the answer.. Pixel shaders, and the like.. The CPU can't do that effectivlyand it relies heavily on the GPU. I think that the graphics for the PS3 and Xbox will be debated into the next gen. They are both going to one up each other via the developers skill and not hardware itself imo.**Disclaimer, I'm not a Developer. so take this with what you want but it seems to me that you are only wanting to hear what you want to hear and not what some others are saying**

Does anyone have any idea if the PS3 GPU helped by Cell (Helping the GPU do graphics) can outdo the 360s??? I know that on its own, the PS3 GPU isn't as good...but along side the cell (if done right) can it surpase the 360's GPU?

Also, Its a no brainer that the PS3 has a bigger CPU advantage over the 360, while the 360 has a slight GPU advantage.

 

Your thoughts?

 

-Maddog-

nope 

[QUOTE="-Maddog-"]

[QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"]put simply, no. while the cpu can help somewhat the textures, it doesn't help at all withe actual polygons, color richness, contrast, lighting and effects.Big_T-Mac

I can't take your word for it..unless your some DEV, which i seriouslly DOUBT.

Does anyone have any idea if the PS3 GPU helped by Cell (Helping the GPU do graphics) can outdo the 360s??? I know that on its own, the PS3 GPU isn't as good...but along side the cell (if done right) can it surpase the 360's GPU?

Also, Its a no brainer that the PS3 has a bigger CPU advantage over the 360, while the 360 has a slight GPU advantage.

 

Your thoughts?

 

-Maddog-

then WHY THE HELL DID U ASK? did u honestly think there were devs up at damn near 6 am willing to answer silly lil questions from kids on the internet regarding console power? no. i think its safe to say this entire thread deserves a lock, considering u made iit for the sole purpose of defending ur beloved system.

Amen