Console 4K gaming Pro and Scorpio vs. 1440p PC Gaming

How do you guys feel about 1440p being the sweet spot for pc gamers now that console gamers will be gaming in 4k? How will it look for the "master race" if the "peasants" are enjoying themselves at higher resolutions?

I just sold my 32" 4K/60hz Acer and got me a Ultrawide Asus 3440×1440/100hz. I have a gtx 1080 and fps was still in the 40's and 50's so figured why not drop the resolution down a notch and kick up the framerate. At Ultrawide 1440p/100hz, I'll still be light years ahead of console gamers who are currently struggling at 900p/30fps. But now that the Pro and Scorpio are talking about being 4k gaming, I'm thinking I should have just stayed with the 4k monitor and dealt with the 40-50fps until the next series of gpus are out.

The pascal Titan still can't do 4k at a steady 60fps. That means the 1080ti won't be able to either so we know what won't see 4k at steady 60 until the next series. On the other hand I can't deal with 16:9 after playing 21:9. I'm actually waiting for 4k to go Ultrawide but how long will console gamers be playing games at 4k while most of us are stuck at 1440p waiting for 1440p/200hz, 4k/100hz, 4k Ultrawide etc.

Will Nvidia and AMD be able to keep pc gamers ahead of console gamers are are we now beginning to see a leveling of the two? Because it now looks like either both pc and consoles gamers will all be playing the same shit equally at 4k/60fps or even worse, that console gamers will be playing in 4k while 95% of the "master race" will still be playing 1440p.

Let's just get one thing straight....console gamers won't be gaming in native 4K. They will be gaming in upscaled 4K, once they get a 4K TV.

I'm gaming in 5K. You are all peasants.

@Legend002:

I was gaming in 6K before y'all were even born!

@spiderneck33:

Next gen will be the official, native 4k. Now THAT will be something to see! Hopefully it'll be a bigger jump than p3 to ps4.

Was playing Battlefield 1 at 4k during the Beta on Ultra settings, was a fantastic experience. That's true native 4k. Consoles will be playing low/medium settings using a checkerboard upscale at fake 4k/30fps. Remember, the PS4Pro GPU is less than even a AMD 470, you really have to be on a budget to be stuck with something like that . So, PS4 users will send $400 to get a boost to 4.2 tf, while I spent $400 on my 1070 to get effectively double that, more if you include my CPU power that's leagues ahead of the Jaguar. PC is always a step ahead of the console game, only this time it's probably cheaper to stay ahead on PC.

The crux of your argument relies on the assumption that console gamers buy consoles for graphics. Do not let System Wars delude your view on console gamers. The vast majority do not care as much about achieving the highest level of graphical fidelity. Most simply want "modern" graphics and the ability to play all of the newest games.

Furthermore don't let yourself think that there is some sort of active war between PC gamers and console gamers. The reverse is true. PCs and consoles exist side-by-side with one having no real visible effect on the other in terms of overall sales and growth.

That said, we're entering another weird era just like when the first HDTVs came out. There is a lot of confusion of what exactly is 4k. Sony and Microsoft say they support 4k, which they technically do, but they aren't running anything in native 4k. The ignorance of the terminology and technology by your average consumer is playing to Sony and Microsoft's advantage. They aren't getting real 4k, but they don't truly know that. Trying to explain native rendering vs. upscaling to a person who doesn't understand technology is a pain.

These consumers may believe they are getting 4k gaming, but we know they really aren't. The people who follow gaming like we do here on this board know the truth and that's all that really matters. We all know the faux 4k rendering that the PS4 Pro and Scorpio are doing isn't true 4k rendering. It's irrelevant what the ignorant consumers who simply don't care that much about the tech side of gaming (i'm not trying to insult, just stating a fact) think about the "system wars".

So in reality, console gamers are not actually getting 4k gaming despite the marketing lingo. There is no need for Nvidia or AMD to rush out products to make it seem like PC gamers are running higher fidelity since the only people who care about that already know that even at 1440p60 you're getting higher image quality than the faux 4k of these new consoles.

It's all about perspective.

In a galaxy far far away/

@kvally: But upscaled 4k still looks better than 1440p doesn't it? Sure, they wont be gaming in 4k natively like a 4k pc gamer would, but 4k pc gamers make up less than 5% of the pc community. Most hardcore pc gamers are at 1080p/1440p with a larger, softer core gaming at 720p. My point is we know that upscaled 4k still definitely looks better than native 1080p and if the same is true for native 1440p then that means that the entire console community will be enjoying better visuals because they will be gaming at a "upscaled" resolution that "looks" 2-3 times higher than 95% of pc gamers.

What's PC gamers' obsession with having better/more power than everyone else (in particular, console gamers)? If you're happy with 1440p on PC (I know I would be), than why the hell does it matter if console gamers have 4k machines (although it's not really true 4k in PS4 Pro's case)?

Is it just ego so you can come on forums and say "my PC is 4k and 120fps, and console peasants only 4k 30fps"? Who cares!! Anyway, my opinion.

1. You'll need a 4k TV
2. It won't be native 4k

60 or more fps @1440p >> 30fps on even native 4K in most games

fluid motion makes the game play better, more pixels has no impact and gets more dr the higher it gets

Then you add that console games have next to no AF, AA tends to suck or is missing completely etc.

but sure it's impressive what they do for 400$

I'm already gaming in upscaled 4K and HDR with the S and native 4K with my 1080.....I'm good, pro is a no go.

@hrt_rulz01: Any pc gamer who is not proud of his rig is a liar. We all want the best and fastest cpu, gpu etc.,. Just because most cant afford it doesn't mean they don't want it and wouldn't brag or at least feel "better" than the next guy if they had it. If upscaled 4k doesn't look better than 1440p then cool. But we know it at least looks better than native 1080p.

@Cloud_imperium: "Youll need a 4k tv"- OK, so they can buy one.

"It wont be native 4k"- Right. But it will still look better than 1080p and maybe even 1440p.

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@kvally: how about no.....

@retrofuture504: no what

Considering that the PS4 Pro's solution to 4k is actually native 1080p and 1440p upscaled to 4k, the difference from 1440p pc gaming is going to be largely framerates and textures that the pc, if it has a better card, will be pushing. It isn't really about the res - especially since the upscaler in the Pro appears to be quite good.

So 4K medium settings/30fps vs 1440p max settings/60fps? I'll take the latter.

I love how console games go into detail why a PC that's 2 -4 times more powerful can't do exactly 4k at ultra settings at 60 FPS and then say yay PS4 PRO and X1 scorpio console gaming for the win!

Those "4k" consoles will be running games on low-medium settings at 30FPS at 1440-1800p upscaled to 4K... While the Titan X you are s***ing on does native 4K at high-ultra settings at 60FPS.

The bull is clear as day.

I am playing NATIVE 4K right now at 60FPS on medium-high settings on a GTX 1070.

Those consoles will have a smaller success rate of handling 4K natively than the current consoles have 1080p at 60FPS. Enjoy your 20-30FPS bull s***.

You consoles gamers are just jelly because you can't afford a PC that's worth a damn.

Of course they can buy one but same goes for PC gamers as well. My point is most people will wait for price drops.

It's upscaled which makes it inferior to actual 4k that PC gamers can run games at/

Exactly. Well said.

So you have a GTX 1080 and you are worried about consoles with something around or below a GTX 1060...

Playing some Witcher 3: B&W at 4k earlier today must have been my imagination.

Native 1440p High/Ultra Settings would look much better than 1080p/1440p Medium settings UPSCALED to 4K.

Doesn't even come close to a 1060. I can play Witcher 3 native 4k (DSR) ultra settings and still maintain at least 30 fps (with an overclock of course).

@Wasdie: Nice point of view

It's slower than a 480 actually(5.8 Tflops). It's more around the 470(4.9 Tflops) but still below at 4.2 Tflops. They are all Polaris 10 so we can compare them. RX 470 still has 16% more raw compute power than the PS4.

Exactly this. Native 1440p >>> upscaled 4K.

Plus PC monitor has the response time advantage over TV's.

http://www.videogamer.com/ps4/the_last_of_us_remastered/news/the_last_of_us_remastered_can_run_at_native_4k_on_ps4_pro.html

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Great. A remake of a last-gen game.

And let us not forget that the CPU will also be a significant bottleneck.

Who really cares if its upscaled 4k especially when the difference is very marginal especially from the viewing distance. The viewer experience would not be diminished.

Haha I know right? ESO will be doing the same.

There won't be much in the way of native 4k, and even if they are, expect less graphically intensive games.

@xantufrog: actually, the ps4 pros solution is to render at 1800p and then upscale from there, so it renders at an already high resolution.

What I've read is anything ranging from 1080-1440-upwards on 1800. I doubt every game will be 1800 native given its ~GTX970-at-best GPU power, plus I think DF already confirmed in their interview that there were lower native resolutions in the sample game set than 1800, didn't they?

Speculating here, but I doubt there will be many native resolutions above 1440

Says it all, and saves me the hassle to do it myself!!!

ive honestly stopped caring about resolution and frame rate, give me 1080P and a solid 30 to 60 frame game and the game in question is fun and interesting. then I am all good. Mind you thats with a GTX1070 in my rig

@worknow222: So why did you even buy a GTX 1070 if you don't care about frame rates and resolution?

I bet you there is going to be more native 4k gaming on the Scorpio though. Optimized consoles are like twice the power of unoptimized PCs.

The Pro will do a fairly good impression of 1440p and a fake upscaling of 4K. Still good for the asking price but in case anyone's confused no it won't even come close to native 4K on a high end PC. It's hilarious to me all this talk about 4K upscaling as though you can by a PS4 Pro for a few hundred dollars and hey presto no need for a high end PC anymore. Even more of a joke with the Xbox One S which is just as shit as it's unslim predecessor but I suppose a 4K bluray player makes it an attractive proposition for the price.

We'll have this all over again with the Scorpio which I expect will come closer to 'proper' 4K but will have zero exclusives so is even more of a joke when compared to PC.

Someone really needs to shut these PR clowns from MS and Sony up with their incredibly misleading claims of delivering 4K gaming on shit consoles. The Pro is just about worth it from what I've seen so far and at a great price (same with the Xbox One S, good value for a 4K bluray player) but no they are not fucking 4K gaming systems.

Yeah I agree for the price consoles are the way to go.

@kvally: The Scorpio will have native 4K games. Not all games will be 4K of course.

Ask yourself what would really want?

1440p, Ultra settings, including SSAA and up to 144fps (certainly a constant >60fps)

Or

Up scaled 1080p, honest guv it's really 4k, medium/high settings and 30 eye watering frames per second.

Edit: Who fack only buys top end hardware for resolution and frame rates?

Not like 4K TV is a big deal lol

I'm going to be enjoying PC gaming at 3440x1440 on an ultrawide, but the thing is that anyone with a midrange PC will always beat these consoles. The day consoles can do native 4K with ease, 4K will be old news on PC. Millions already have the hardware for it, they just need monitor upgrades. But if they're like me, they might just opt for an ultrawide, or a 144hz 1080p or 1440p monitor, because both are fantastic when you sit 18 inches from the screen.

Consoles have always been far behind the highest end PC hardware. Especially when it comes to resolution

PS4 era : consoles are run in 1080p (2 million pixels), PC games run up to 5K (about 14 million pixels) - 7 times higher

PS3 era: consoles run games in 720p (1 million pixels), Pc games ran up to 2560x1600 (about 4 million pixels) - 4 times higher

PS2 era: console games run in 480p ( 0.5 million pixels) - PC games ran up to 1600x1200 (about 2 million pixels) - 4 times higher

PS1 era: console games ran in 288p or 240p or something while Pc games ran up to 1280x1024..again four times higher

Make no mistake, console games won't run games in native 4k until the PS5 comes out sometime around 2020, but by then we'll have 29" 8K monitors (8k - 7680x4320p, 33 million pixels, four times 4k)

@_Matt_: Wait so these consoles will at least be NATIVE 1800P? Ok I'm definitely going back to 4k monitor. **** this 1440p shit. I should've known that 1440p is just a bullshit niche resolution to hold us over til 4k becomes mainstream. It was the Ultrawide that got me. I hope at least 4k ultrawide come out soon so I can leave this 1440p to the birds.