Console first person shooters were better on the N64 and PSOne

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#1 MayorJohnny
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Console FPS games were the best in the N64, PSOne and Dreamcast days. Before the times of dual analog control, and the trend of hectic squad combat. I don't much care for the trends in the genre over the last 6-7 years.

Though I'm much more of a casual FPS player when compared to many, my opinion is that FPS games were simply more fun and magical back then. Yes, the wonderment of being a young gamer had some to do with it, yet I still have more fun with old school corridor shooters than I do with a lot of the non sense today, LOL!

GoldenEye 007, Medal of Honor games, Turok series, Quake II, Perfect Dark, etc... Ah, great memories.

I feel that PC shooters were more unique when its counter-part - the console - wasn't trying to keep up with it so much. I wasn't ever a PC gamer, though I do respect its quality in the past. It too seemed to be more unique until the last generation got under way, which lead into the FPS obsession of today.

I think that corridor shooters that aren't so focused on wide open combat, online multi-player, and "teh textures and polygons" need to make a comeback. If you ask me, shooters are far more "generic" in general than they were years ago.

One more thing that I miss in shooters today: That feeling of isolation (like in Metroid Prime). Since technology has progressed so much, I guess that developers feel the need to make everything "epic."

Is there anyone else that feels as I do? :D

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#2 RStar9
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While Goldeneye and Perfect Dark were amazing games, I cant say as I agree with you on this.
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Console FPS games were the best in the N64, PSOne and Dreamcast days. Before the times of dual analog dynamics, and the trend of hectic squad combat. For the high quality that is the Halo and Call of Duty series, I am a little off put by its trends on the genre. This can go for other series over the last 6-7 years.

Though I'm much more of casual FPS player when compared to many, my opinion is that FPS games were simply more fun and magical back then. Yes, the wonderment of being young gamer had some to do with it, yet I still have more fun with old school corridor shooters than I do with a lot of the non sense today, LOL!

GoldenEye 007, Medal of Honor games, Turok series, Quake II, Perfect Dark, etc... Ah, great memories.

I feel that PC shooters were more unique when its counter-part - the console - wasn't trying to keep up with it so much. I wasn't ever a PC gamer, though I do respect its quality in the past. It too seemed to be more unique until the last generation go under way, which lead into the FPS obsession of today.

I think that corridor shooters that aren't so focused on wide open combat, online multi-player, and "teh textures and polygons" need to make a comeback. If you ask me, shooters are far more "generic" in general than they were years ago.

One more thing that I miss in shooters today: That feeling of isolation. Since technology has progressed so much, I guess that developers feel the need to make everything "epic."

Is there anyone else that feels as I do? :D

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On Nintendo 64? Might be...On PSOne? Absolutely no. Quake II is a port, Medal of Honor games had great vibe and atmosphere and were great for its times, but when you look at them now, they were really rudimentary in terms of level design.
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#4 Wolblade
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Yeah, I do agree with you on the isolation part. I miss that aspect.
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#5 Blue-Sky
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Goldeneye, Perferct Dark and Turok 2 were the only console FPS worth looking at prior to PS2. Yes only 3.

I can think of more than 3 good FPS for consoles beyond dreamcast. So no TC, I disagree.

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#6 Ballsoffire64
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I loved the n64 fps I still play doom 64 ,duke nukem and turok on my trusty old console,but in my opinion fps have improved.

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i guess being a fan of horrible, old fashioned, awkward controlls is why you've just brought a PSP
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#8 Cherokee_Jack
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I agree with the isolation part, but not much else.
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#9 MayorJohnny
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i guess being a fan of horrible, old fashioned, awkward controlls is why you've just brought a PSPdoobie1975
What's your problem? No need to insult me. IN MY OPINION, FPS games were more FUN back then.
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[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="doobie1975"]i guess being a fan of horrible, old fashioned, awkward controlls is why you've just brought a PSPDeadEndPanda

What's your problem? No need to insult me. IN MY OPINION, FPS games were more FUN back then.

hes probably 12, he didnt play those awesome games.

Who are you referring to?
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[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="doobie1975"]i guess being a fan of horrible, old fashioned, awkward controlls is why you've just brought a PSPDeadEndPanda

What's your problem? No need to insult me. IN MY OPINION, FPS games were more FUN back then.

hes probably 12, he didnt play those awesome games.

no im 33, and played those games to death back in the day.
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Perfect Dark's controls felt great in expert mode.
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#15 Menalque2
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Goldeneye, Perferct Dark and Turok 2 were the only console FPS worth looking at prior to PS2. Yes only 3.

I can think of more than 3 good FPS for consoles beyond dreamcast. So no TC, I disagree.

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#16 she_drives_boat
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no offense but thats a pretty bizarre opinion. i don't even think you played COD4, if you would have you would know that playing a free for all is pretty isolating. that and the fact that the game crushes any of those older FPSs you mentioned.

I played all those older games as a kid, spent many hours on them. All I could tell you is that the FPSs of today are what I wished they were back then. Nostalgia is a great thing but we must move forward.

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My favourite FPS has been, and still is Zero Tolerance for the Sega Genesis...they don't make fps games that awesome anymore...

For one, it was squad based...you had control over one of a squad, if you died, you took over another...monsters were scary, tons of weapon variety, amazing graphics for the time *sigh* haven't liked one since.

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#18 Malta_1980
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completely disagree i couldnt think of more than 3 - 4 fps games worth playing on the N64 / PS1...
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#19 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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No. Absolutely not.

Games from decades past are not better than the ones released in '08-'09. You are all only saying that because you were amazed when you were a kid. Stop being blinded by nostalgia.

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#20 Dahaka-UK
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Completely agree with you. Shooters have gotten far too generic an less unique. Same accounts for most genres really, RPGS have gotten worse, platformers where better back in the day etc., Ofcourse you will get the the newer less educated gamer telling you how your wrong and to let go of your nostalgia. Typical eye candy fans that get impressed by only game graphics.
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Half-Life. nuff said
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#22 SolidTy
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Goldeneye, Perferct Dark and Turok 2 were the only console FPS worth looking at prior to PS2. Yes only 3.

I can think of more than 3 good FPS for consoles beyond dreamcast. So no TC, I disagree.

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Medal of Honor on PSOne was an amazing game, it's tragic that so many posters here missed it. It took advantage of what the N64 was very limited, SOUND.

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My favourite FPS has been, and still is Zero Tolerance for the Sega Genesis...they don't make fps games that awesome anymore...

For one, it was squad based...you had control over one of a squad, if you died, you took over another...monsters were scary, tons of weapon variety, amazing graphics for the time *sigh* haven't liked one since.

Andrew_Xavier

i played that game, i was amazed by it's graphics, i didn't even knew they were possible on the megadrive and what's more impressive is that unlike Doom for the SNES the game ran on the megadrive's own hardware

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[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

Goldeneye, Perferct Dark and Turok 2 were the only console FPS worth looking at prior to PS2. Yes only 3.

I can think of more than 3 good FPS for consoles beyond dreamcast. So no TC, I disagree.

SolidTy

Medal of Honor on PSOne was an amazing game, it's tragic that so many posters here missed it. It took advantage of what the N64 was very limited, SOUND.

And then Call of Duty for the PC came around and everyone knew what the best WWII shooter was then and there.
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I can't recall any FPS on PSone.
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#26 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

Goldeneye, Perferct Dark and Turok 2 were the only console FPS worth looking at prior to PS2. Yes only 3.

I can think of more than 3 good FPS for consoles beyond dreamcast. So no TC, I disagree.

princeofshapeir

Medal of Honor on PSOne was an amazing game, it's tragic that so many posters here missed it. It took advantage of what the N64 was very limited, SOUND.

And then Call of Duty for the PC came around and everyone knew what the best WWII shooter was then and there.

That's true, but there would be no Call of Duty without Medal of Honor.

Heck, Activision wanted what EA had, so they actually STOLE the Medal of Honor Team from EA (Infinity Ward.).

Medal of Honor PSOne was a great stepping stone for all that to happen, and it was a great game.

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#27 SolidTy
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I can't recall any FPS on PSone.Deihmos

There were a few (Doom, Disruptor), but the best one was Medal of Honor, it's a shame you missed it.

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#28 Andrew_Xavier
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[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

My favourite FPS has been, and still is Zero Tolerance for the Sega Genesis...they don't make fps games that awesome anymore...

For one, it was squad based...you had control over one of a squad, if you died, you took over another...monsters were scary, tons of weapon variety, amazing graphics for the time *sigh* haven't liked one since.

st1ka

i played that game, i was amazed by it's graphics, i didn't even knew they were possible on the megadrive and what's more impressive is that unlike Doom for the SNES the game ran on the megadrive's own hardware

GREAT to see another zero tolerance fan, that game that not get nearly enough credit for what it truly is. Was there a better console FPS at the time? Graphically or gameplay wise?
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fps wore horrible back then its honestly thanks to the xbox its gotten so much better.
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Of course. The technologies really set the PC apart from the N64 and PSOne. Now we don't have that and you can pull off a PC game on a console.

Its difficult for a FPS to actually be unique, especially today.

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I can't recall any FPS on PSone.Deihmos
bad bad platform for first person shooters. trust me i played a few before the n64 and i knew they were bad. when i did play the n64, the first person scene heavily improved for me.
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#32 doobie1975
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[QUOTE="Deihmos"]I can't recall any FPS on PSone.Rahnyc4
bad bad platform for first person shooters. trust me i played a few before the n64 and i knew they were bad. when i did play the n64, the first person scene heavily improved for me.

kileak the blood springs to mind
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[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

My favourite FPS has been, and still is Zero Tolerance for the Sega Genesis...they don't make fps games that awesome anymore...

For one, it was squad based...you had control over one of a squad, if you died, you took over another...monsters were scary, tons of weapon variety, amazing graphics for the time *sigh* haven't liked one since.

Andrew_Xavier

i played that game, i was amazed by it's graphics, i didn't even knew they were possible on the megadrive and what's more impressive is that unlike Doom for the SNES the game ran on the megadrive's own hardware

GREAT to see another zero tolerance fan, that game that not get nearly enough credit for what it truly is. Was there a better console FPS at the time? Graphically or gameplay wise?

well... Rise of the Triad comes pretty close

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Maybe if you could go back and play those games now, but they are fairly unplayable with the 1 analog N64 controller, I have tried. It was nice seeing that Golden Eye HL2 mod before, though I never played it much after the first few days it was out, it was pretty cool to see so much nostalgia in things I remembered so clearly.
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#35 SecretPolice
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For sale - N64 with G.E. & P.D. and since these are better then anything this gen the price needs to reflect that umm fact :lol: First $599.99 takes it home. Single file line please. ;)

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#36 doobie1975
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For sale - N64 with G.E. & P.D. and since these are better then anything this gen the price needs to reflect that umm fact :lol: First $599.99 takes it home. Single file line please. ;)

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if you throw in a big slice of nostalgia and a pair of rose tinted glasses you've got a deal
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I can't recall any FPS on PSone.Deihmos

Medal of Honor disagree. It a great game IMO. I still play it sometimes.

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First off, you have to be joking about PS1 having good FPSs. They are so rare on that console its not even funny. PS1 had garbage like its port of The World Is Not Enough. Sega Saturn had infinitely superior FPSs. Just Virtual Cop and House Of The Dead alone are better than all of PS1's FPSs. Anyway, yes FPSs could use some improvements but that doesn't mean they aren't getting any better. FPSs are very good these days.
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#40 bearbones
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[QUOTE="gunswordfist"]First off, you have to be joking about PS1 having good FPSs. They are so rare on that console its not even funny. PS1 had garbage like its port of The World Is Not Enough. Sega Saturn had infinitely superior FPSs. Just Virtual Cop and House Of The Dead alone are better than all of PS1's FPSs. Anyway, yes FPSs could use some improvements but that doesn't mean they aren't getting any better. FPSs are very good these days.

Time Crisis?
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Time splitters 2 and FP says no. (took the old console forumal buffed it fixed the controls and made it more awesom)
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Time splitters 2 and FP says no. (took the old console forumal buffed it fixed the controls and made it more awesom)Guybrush_3
but timesplitters 2 was PS2, so dual sticks.
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[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]Time splitters 2 and FP says no. (took the old console forumal buffed it fixed the controls and made it more awesom)doobie1975
but timesplitters 2 was PS2, so dual sticks.

Yeah but it just worked. second stick instead of c-buttons or R-aiming but it still felt right. It still felt like a console shooter and not a PC wannabe

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I disagree. I can still go back and play Halo with no problems. But going back to play Golden Eye or PD is a chore.
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Look at my sig and avatar and you can plainly see that I adore Perfect Dark (despite using PDZ imagery) and I proudly herald the N64 original as my favorite game of all time.

Having said that, I cannot agree that shooters were better back in the PS1/N64 days. The single analog control scheme was fine then when we had no alternatives but with the advent of Dual analog control schemes, I can easily say that Goldeneye/Perfect Dark have not aged well and feel positively archaic today.

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#46 Salt_The_Fries
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[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

Goldeneye, Perferct Dark and Turok 2 were the only console FPS worth looking at prior to PS2. Yes only 3.

I can think of more than 3 good FPS for consoles beyond dreamcast. So no TC, I disagree.

SolidTy

Medal of Honor on PSOne was an amazing game, it's tragic that so many posters here missed it. It took advantage of what the N64 was very limited, SOUND.

I hear you, man. I think it was unique, it has great atmosphere, I loved the briefings, the menu, concept of awards, location-based injuries and different animations - limping krauts were fun. It truly felt like Spielberg produced it and written a scenario. The multi-player portion was also fun for its time. I also loved the undercover missions (something that wasn't implemented in further Medal of Honor games from some point).
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I enjoyed Alien Resurrection on PS1 a lot. It was one of the scariest, and hardest (if not the hardest one) games I've ever played.
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Look at my sig and avatar and you can plainly see that I adore Perfect Dark (despite using PDZ imagery) and I proudly herald the N64 original as my favorite game of all time.

Having said that, I cannot agree that shooters were better back in the PS1/N64 days. The single analog control scheme was fine then when we had no alternatives but with the advent of Dual analog control schemes, I can easily say that Goldeneye/Perfect Dark have not aged well and feel positively archaic today.

I adore the Perfect Dark series as much as you and I even had a PDZ avatar and sig before, it's rare to find people who liked PDZ on here. Also, IMO, Perfect Dark>ALL.
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Yeah, I do agree with you on the isolation part. I miss that aspect.Wolblade
Bioshock gives you a good sense of isolation, it was also a corridor shooter and had no on-line. its exactly what you want. I think you are just looking back at those games with nostalgia, there are plenty of FPS games that are excellent. for good single player not focused on 'teh graphics' see "The Orange Box" which pretty much blows your whole list out of the water on its own.

Portal is genre busting on its own.

For the experience you described you can still use the PC, STALKER gives you a chilling sense of isolation and is single-player focused.

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#50 DaBrainz
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Better? no

Same? Yes

The problem is that they havn't changed since then, while back then it was something new, now its just something thats really old. FPS needs to evolve or die.