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#1 Kakarot00769
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I wish Halo 3 would come out w/ a better controller suited for the FPS genre than the gamepad (whis is suited for platform gaming)
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#2 iunderstand
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They can't, otherwise lemmings would complain that their console isn't stagnant enough.
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#3 Kaosed
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no, the controller is for anygame, thats why it has analog sticks  and triggers u know
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no, the controller is for anygame, thats why it has analog sticks  and triggers u knowKaosed

this is why FPS is best played on a PC due to controls .FPS w/ a gamepad is a joke ,i want better controls for Halo 3 ..u listening MS

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#5 Kaosed
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[QUOTE="Kaosed"]no, the controller is for anygame, thats why it has analog sticks and triggers u knowKakarot00769

this is why FPS is best played on a PC due to controls .FPS w/ a gamepad is a joke ,i want better controls for Halo 3 ..u listening MS


then get an usb keyboard to plug in ur 360, if ur skilled enough u wont have problems with the gamepad anyway
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#6 Ontain
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after playing Red Steel (yes that 5.5 game) i'm sure that the wii will have the best FPS controls. I was very comfortable with the controls in red steel. it felt much better than the times i've used dual analogs. (i'm mostly a pc gamer so dual analog is unnatural to me) 
while the game itself was very spotty in terms of graphics, buggy and the story sucked. the controls were much better than what i was expecting.

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#7 Spartanx23
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I wish Halo 3 would come out w/ a better controller suited for the FPS genre than the gamepad (whis is suited for platform gaming) Kakarot00769

I like the controls, but the problem is that those controllers can't handle Halo.  There not strong enough.  No other games, and I'm including the other FPS's in this, are as demanding as Halo.  Vegas for instance, doesn't requir the high level of twitchy movement needed to compete in Halo or Halo 2.

I'm going to pick up 4 more controllers when Halo 3 comes out!

Is it just me, or does anybody else have this same problem with there controller lifespan? Specificly the Halo games. 

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#8 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Kakarot00769"]

[QUOTE="Kaosed"]no, the controller is for anygame, thats why it has analog sticks and triggers u knowKaosed

this is why FPS is best played on a PC due to controls .FPS w/ a gamepad is a joke ,i want better controls for Halo 3 ..u listening MS


then get an usb keyboard to plug in ur 360, if ur skilled enough u wont have problems with the gamepad anyway

So being able to use a gimped input device = skill? -_- Guess thats why they aid auto-aim too huh? Because you're just soooo skilled on a gamepad.
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#9 tranhgiang
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That why for FPS like UT3, the Play Station 3 support KB and Mouse. 
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#10 KeyWii
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I agree, first person shooters aren't really compelling games on consoles because of the crippled controls. 3rd person is the way to go for consoles.
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#11 KungfuKitten
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Keyboards need analogue w,a,s,d keys.
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#12 oback
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agreed. keyboard and mouse will always reign supreme
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[QUOTE="Kaosed"][QUOTE="Kakarot00769"]

[QUOTE="Kaosed"]no, the controller is for anygame, thats why it has analog sticks and triggers u knowVandalvideo

this is why FPS is best played on a PC due to controls .FPS w/ a gamepad is a joke ,i want better controls for Halo 3 ..u listening MS


then get an usb keyboard to plug in ur 360, if ur skilled enough u wont have problems with the gamepad anyway

So being able to use a gimped input device = skill? -_- Guess thats why they aid auto-aim too huh? Because you're just soooo skilled on a gamepad.


the harder the device the better u become, and no, not all games have auto aim, read b4 posting
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#14 project343
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Most developers know that analog is inferior to a mouse, as far as precision goes, thus they adjust their game to make it work. Bungie did this with Halo, and FASA's doing this with Shadowrun. Unfortunately, Epic is ignoring the fact that controllers have analog with Unreal Tournament 3, and that's why the latest PS3 gameplay video looks terrible. Unreal Tournament cannot be played with a controller. I suggest for Epic to do what Bungie has done with Halo: throw on auto-aim, then slow down the movement, the jumping, and the sensitivity. PC FPSs aren't necessairly better then console FPSs, they're simply 2 different genres.
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#15 ringuzi
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after playing Red Steel (yes that 5.5 game) i'm sure that the wii will have the best FPS controls. I was very comfortable with the controls in red steel. it felt much better than the times i've used dual analogs. (i'm mostly a pc gamer so dual analog is unnatural to me) 
while the game itself was very spotty in terms of graphics, buggy and the story sucked. the controls were much better than what i was expecting.

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the controls were awful it was not sensitive at all and the cursor always went to he edges of the screen and got messed up
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Kaosed"][QUOTE="Kakarot00769"]

[QUOTE="Kaosed"]no, the controller is for anygame, thats why it has analog sticks and triggers u knowKaosed

this is why FPS is best played on a PC due to controls .FPS w/ a gamepad is a joke ,i want better controls for Halo 3 ..u listening MS


then get an usb keyboard to plug in ur 360, if ur skilled enough u wont have problems with the gamepad anyway

So being able to use a gimped input device = skill? -_- Guess thats why they aid auto-aim too huh? Because you're just soooo skilled on a gamepad.


the harder the device the better u become, and no, not all games have auto aim, read b4 posting

How does a gimped input device = skill exactly? So you can aim with auto-aim? Wooooooo you so gewd. I hate to break it to you, but with a standardized input device that is much more accesible you can develop skills faster and have faster reaction timing and more "zomg skillz" on a keyboard. Thats why I knick-knat patty whack console gamers at tournaments.
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I agree, first person shooters aren't really compelling games on consoles because of the crippled controls. 3rd person is the way to go for consoles.KeyWii

which is one of the reasons GeOW is a hit, and a better game in my opinion. Yes gears lacks in story, but the gameplay is great.

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#18 Kakarot00769
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Kaosed"][QUOTE="Kakarot00769"]

[QUOTE="Kaosed"]no, the controller is for anygame, thats why it has analog sticks and triggers u knowKaosed

this is why FPS is best played on a PC due to controls .FPS w/ a gamepad is a joke ,i want better controls for Halo 3 ..u listening MS


then get an usb keyboard to plug in ur 360, if ur skilled enough u wont have problems with the gamepad anyway

So being able to use a gimped input device = skill? -_- Guess thats why they aid auto-aim too huh? Because you're just soooo skilled on a gamepad.


the harder the device the better u become, and no, not all games have auto aim, read b4 posting

the hit box on tv screens in which u play your console FPS's are gargantuan and most of these console FPS have auto-aim to make up for the clunkiness

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#19 kentlucky
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I know I'm a weirdo but I prefer the controller to k/m.  Obviously less precise but I find it much more comfortable and less awkward than k/m. 

OTOH, I've always been an advocate of using a trackball for the right stick (not sure how well it'd work in practice). 
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Most developers know that analog is inferior to a mouse, as far as precision goes, thus they adjust their game to make it work. Bungie did this with Halo, and FASA's doing this with Shadowrun. Unfortunately, Epic is ignoring the fact that controllers have analog with Unreal Tournament 3, and that's why the latest PS3 gameplay video looks terrible. Unreal Tournament cannot be played with a controller. I suggest for Epic to do what Bungie has done with Halo: throw on auto-aim, then slow down the movement, the jumping, and the sensitivity. PC FPSs aren't necessairly better then console FPSs, they're simply 2 different genres.project343

FPS' s are best played on PC = FACT

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#21 Ontain
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[QUOTE="Ontain"]after playing Red Steel (yes that 5.5 game) i'm sure that the wii will have the best FPS controls. I was very comfortable with the controls in red steel. it felt much better than the times i've used dual analogs. (i'm mostly a pc gamer so dual analog is unnatural to me)
while the game itself was very spotty in terms of graphics, buggy and the story sucked. the controls were much better than what i was expecting.

ringuzi
the controls were awful it was not sensitive at all and the cursor always went to he edges of the screen and got messed up

i don't know what was wrong with your game but i felt in total control. my cursor never went to the edges unless i put down my controller to do something else. as for the sensitivity. you could adjust this in the game as well as in on the wii menus if i remember correctly. anyway this is something that devs can just add a slider for in the future like they do for the mouse.
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[QUOTE="project343"]Most developers know that analog is inferior to a mouse, as far as precision goes, thus they adjust their game to make it work. Bungie did this with Halo, and FASA's doing this with Shadowrun. Unfortunately, Epic is ignoring the fact that controllers have analog with Unreal Tournament 3, and that's why the latest PS3 gameplay video looks terrible. Unreal Tournament cannot be played with a controller. I suggest for Epic to do what Bungie has done with Halo: throw on auto-aim, then slow down the movement, the jumping, and the sensitivity. PC FPSs aren't necessairly better then console FPSs, they're simply 2 different genres.Kakarot00769

FPS' s are best played on PC = FACT

Fact =/= opinion FACT!
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#23 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Kakarot00769"]

[QUOTE="project343"]Most developers know that analog is inferior to a mouse, as far as precision goes, thus they adjust their game to make it work. Bungie did this with Halo, and FASA's doing this with Shadowrun. Unfortunately, Epic is ignoring the fact that controllers have analog with Unreal Tournament 3, and that's why the latest PS3 gameplay video looks terrible. Unreal Tournament cannot be played with a controller. I suggest for Epic to do what Bungie has done with Halo: throw on auto-aim, then slow down the movement, the jumping, and the sensitivity. PC FPSs aren't necessairly better then console FPSs, they're simply 2 different genres.alienhunter187

FPS' s are best played on PC = FACT

Fact =/= opinion FACT!

What POSSIBLE reason could one want to play a FPS on consoels rather than PC?
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#24 DA_B0MB
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I have no idea wtf people's deal is with ****ing about console controlls for an FPS. Usually PC elitists bring this crap up. I'm honestly sick of it. They act like the controller is disfunctional and doesn't work. Which is wrong. IMHO I can give 2 ****s about PC FPS controlls. I tried them and thought they were ok but I really think they're way overrated. This is my honest opinion on this argument and if you don't like it then **** you, you ****ing ****ers. ****!!! [/end angry rant]
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#25 alienhunter187
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[QUOTE="alienhunter187"][QUOTE="Kakarot00769"]

[QUOTE="project343"]Most developers know that analog is inferior to a mouse, as far as precision goes, thus they adjust their game to make it work. Bungie did this with Halo, and FASA's doing this with Shadowrun. Unfortunately, Epic is ignoring the fact that controllers have analog with Unreal Tournament 3, and that's why the latest PS3 gameplay video looks terrible. Unreal Tournament cannot be played with a controller. I suggest for Epic to do what Bungie has done with Halo: throw on auto-aim, then slow down the movement, the jumping, and the sensitivity. PC FPSs aren't necessairly better then console FPSs, they're simply 2 different genres.Vandalvideo

FPS' s are best played on PC = FACT

Fact =/= opinion FACT!

What POSSIBLE reason could one want to play a FPS on consoels rather than PC?

Well, at some point in my gaming life that began oh around 15-20 years ago, I decided I liked playing games for fun and relaxation. Hunched over a desk staring at a screen that's three or four feet away from my face is not my idea of fun. To the contrary, sitting in my recliner or on my couch with my feet up on the coffee table, a wireless controller in my hand, a drink to the left or right of me playing Halo 2 on my 52 in HDTV and digital surround sound is much better.
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#26 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="alienhunter187"][QUOTE="Kakarot00769"]

[QUOTE="project343"]Most developers know that analog is inferior to a mouse, as far as precision goes, thus they adjust their game to make it work. Bungie did this with Halo, and FASA's doing this with Shadowrun. Unfortunately, Epic is ignoring the fact that controllers have analog with Unreal Tournament 3, and that's why the latest PS3 gameplay video looks terrible. Unreal Tournament cannot be played with a controller. I suggest for Epic to do what Bungie has done with Halo: throw on auto-aim, then slow down the movement, the jumping, and the sensitivity. PC FPSs aren't necessairly better then console FPSs, they're simply 2 different genres.alienhunter187

FPS' s are best played on PC = FACT

Fact =/= opinion FACT!

What POSSIBLE reason could one want to play a FPS on consoels rather than PC?

Well, at some point in my gaming life that began oh around 15-20 years ago, I decided I liked playing games for fun and relaxation. Hunched over a desk staring at a screen that's three or four feet away from my face is not my idea of fun. To the contrary, sitting in my recliner or on my couch with my feet up on the coffee table, a wireless controller in my hand, a drink to the left or right of me playing Halo 2 on my 52 in HDTV and digital surround sound is much better.

Isn't it great the PC CAN be hooked up to that exact same setup and use wireless controllers with adrink in your hand as well? ON TO THE NEXT MISCONCEPTION. HI HO SILVEr!
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#27 dlind70
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Personally, I'm well versed in both standards for FPS games. Why is sticky aiming a bad thing on consoles? Why is "wsad" worse than analog for k/b? There is a reason games like Halo are still being played; and there is a reason games like UT2004 are still being played. Who cares if it's "gimped?" As long as it was developed to be fun for that platform, everyone should be happy. P.S.: Everyone needs to stop **** about this subject because it's getting old.
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="alienhunter187"][QUOTE="Kakarot00769"]

[QUOTE="project343"]Most developers know that analog is inferior to a mouse, as far as precision goes, thus they adjust their game to make it work. Bungie did this with Halo, and FASA's doing this with Shadowrun. Unfortunately, Epic is ignoring the fact that controllers have analog with Unreal Tournament 3, and that's why the latest PS3 gameplay video looks terrible. Unreal Tournament cannot be played with a controller. I suggest for Epic to do what Bungie has done with Halo: throw on auto-aim, then slow down the movement, the jumping, and the sensitivity. PC FPSs aren't necessairly better then console FPSs, they're simply 2 different genres.alienhunter187

FPS' s are best played on PC = FACT

Fact =/= opinion FACT!

What POSSIBLE reason could one want to play a FPS on consoels rather than PC?

Well, at some point in my gaming life that began oh around 15-20 years ago, I decided I liked playing games for fun and relaxation. Hunched over a desk staring at a screen that's three or four feet away from my face is not my idea of fun. To the contrary, sitting in my recliner or on my couch with my feet up on the coffee table, a wireless controller in my hand, a drink to the left or right of me playing Halo 2 on my 52 in HDTV and digital surround sound is much better.

you know you can play all PC games on an HDTV right....and all of them do (the PC equivalent) of 1080p....if you have something that can go higher...they can do that to. all of them have surround sound...
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="alienhunter187"][QUOTE="Kakarot00769"]

[QUOTE="project343"]Most developers know that analog is inferior to a mouse, as far as precision goes, thus they adjust their game to make it work. Bungie did this with Halo, and FASA's doing this with Shadowrun. Unfortunately, Epic is ignoring the fact that controllers have analog with Unreal Tournament 3, and that's why the latest PS3 gameplay video looks terrible. Unreal Tournament cannot be played with a controller. I suggest for Epic to do what Bungie has done with Halo: throw on auto-aim, then slow down the movement, the jumping, and the sensitivity. PC FPSs aren't necessairly better then console FPSs, they're simply 2 different genres.alienhunter187

FPS' s are best played on PC = FACT

Fact =/= opinion FACT!

What POSSIBLE reason could one want to play a FPS on consoels rather than PC?

Well, at some point in my gaming life that began oh around 15-20 years ago, I decided I liked playing games for fun and relaxation. Hunched over a desk staring at a screen that's three or four feet away from my face is not my idea of fun. To the contrary, sitting in my recliner or on my couch with my feet up on the coffee table, a wireless controller in my hand, a drink to the left or right of me playing Halo 2 on my 52 in HDTV and digital surround sound is much better.

So because you can sit back makes the game better? Hmmm... Im pretty comfortable playing my better shooters on my better PC, with a larger field of veiw and a better resolution.
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#30 alienhunter187
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[QUOTE="alienhunter187"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="alienhunter187"][QUOTE="Kakarot00769"]

[QUOTE="project343"]Most developers know that analog is inferior to a mouse, as far as precision goes, thus they adjust their game to make it work. Bungie did this with Halo, and FASA's doing this with Shadowrun. Unfortunately, Epic is ignoring the fact that controllers have analog with Unreal Tournament 3, and that's why the latest PS3 gameplay video looks terrible. Unreal Tournament cannot be played with a controller. I suggest for Epic to do what Bungie has done with Halo: throw on auto-aim, then slow down the movement, the jumping, and the sensitivity. PC FPSs aren't necessairly better then console FPSs, they're simply 2 different genres.Vandalvideo

FPS' s are best played on PC = FACT

Fact =/= opinion FACT!

What POSSIBLE reason could one want to play a FPS on consoels rather than PC?

Well, at some point in my gaming life that began oh around 15-20 years ago, I decided I liked playing games for fun and relaxation. Hunched over a desk staring at a screen that's three or four feet away from my face is not my idea of fun. To the contrary, sitting in my recliner or on my couch with my feet up on the coffee table, a wireless controller in my hand, a drink to the left or right of me playing Halo 2 on my 52 in HDTV and digital surround sound is much better.

Isn't it great the PC CAN be hooked up to that exact same setup and use wireless controllers with adrink in your hand as well? ON TO THE NEXT MISCONCEPTION. HI HO SILVEr!

You simply asked why I think console FPS are better and the controller is better. The only similarities you have made are PCs can be hooked up to a HDTV and have surround sound. You say you can use a wireless controller on a PC a swell. But doesn't that completely nullify your entire argument?
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[QUOTE="alienhunter187"][QUOTE="Kakarot00769"]

[QUOTE="project343"]Most developers know that analog is inferior to a mouse, as far as precision goes, thus they adjust their game to make it work. Bungie did this with Halo, and FASA's doing this with Shadowrun. Unfortunately, Epic is ignoring the fact that controllers have analog with Unreal Tournament 3, and that's why the latest PS3 gameplay video looks terrible. Unreal Tournament cannot be played with a controller. I suggest for Epic to do what Bungie has done with Halo: throw on auto-aim, then slow down the movement, the jumping, and the sensitivity. PC FPSs aren't necessairly better then console FPSs, they're simply 2 different genres.Vandalvideo

FPS' s are best played on PC = FACT

Fact =/= opinion FACT!

What POSSIBLE reason could one want to play a FPS on consoels rather than PC?



Maybe because I'm not a geek like you!1!1:o
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="alienhunter187"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="alienhunter187"][QUOTE="Kakarot00769"]

[QUOTE="project343"]Most developers know that analog is inferior to a mouse, as far as precision goes, thus they adjust their game to make it work. Bungie did this with Halo, and FASA's doing this with Shadowrun. Unfortunately, Epic is ignoring the fact that controllers have analog with Unreal Tournament 3, and that's why the latest PS3 gameplay video looks terrible. Unreal Tournament cannot be played with a controller. I suggest for Epic to do what Bungie has done with Halo: throw on auto-aim, then slow down the movement, the jumping, and the sensitivity. PC FPSs aren't necessairly better then console FPSs, they're simply 2 different genres.alienhunter187

FPS' s are best played on PC = FACT

Fact =/= opinion FACT!

What POSSIBLE reason could one want to play a FPS on consoels rather than PC?

Well, at some point in my gaming life that began oh around 15-20 years ago, I decided I liked playing games for fun and relaxation. Hunched over a desk staring at a screen that's three or four feet away from my face is not my idea of fun. To the contrary, sitting in my recliner or on my couch with my feet up on the coffee table, a wireless controller in my hand, a drink to the left or right of me playing Halo 2 on my 52 in HDTV and digital surround sound is much better.

Isn't it great the PC CAN be hooked up to that exact same setup and use wireless controllers with adrink in your hand as well? ON TO THE NEXT MISCONCEPTION. HI HO SILVEr!

You simply asked why I think console FPS are better and the controller is better. The only similarities you have made are PCs can be hooked up to a HDTV and have surround sound. You say you can use a wireless controller on a PC a swell. But doesn't that completely nullify your entire argument?

ok...then use a wireless keyboard.....
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#33 Vandalvideo
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To the above: My arguement? I merely asked why you prefer console gaming. Why do you? Because of something the PC can do as well? So how does that allow you to state you prefer console gaming if the PC can do it as well? My arguement is NOT PC gaming is better, thats opinion. My arguement is that the PC can do and BE everything a console can, and that anyone who says "I prefer console gaming" usually have an underlying misconception. The PC can be used in the exact same setup, so please, use another misconception.
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[QUOTE="project343"]Most developers know that analog is inferior to a mouse, as far as precision goes, thus they adjust their game to make it work. Bungie did this with Halo, and FASA's doing this with Shadowrun. Unfortunately, Epic is ignoring the fact that controllers have analog with Unreal Tournament 3, and that's why the latest PS3 gameplay video looks terrible. Unreal Tournament cannot be played with a controller. I suggest for Epic to do what Bungie has done with Halo: throw on auto-aim, then slow down the movement, the jumping, and the sensitivity. PC FPSs aren't necessairly better then console FPSs, they're simply 2 different genres.Kakarot00769

FPS' s are best played on PC = FACT

Halo is best played on an Xbox = FACT   

OOOOOHHHH, look I can do it too.

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#35 alienhunter187
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]To the above: My arguement? I merely asked why you prefer console gaming. Why do you? Because of something the PC can do as well? So how does that allow you to state you prefer console gaming if the PC can do it as well? My arguement is NOT PC gaming is better, thats opinion. My arguement is that the PC can do and BE everything a console can, and that anyone who says "I prefer console gaming" usually have an underlying misconception. The PC can be used in the exact same setup, so please, use another misconception.

There's no misconception here. You tout your PC's superiority and that's fine and dandy. Great job. You can play it on a HDTV with surround sound. But the ONLY advantage that the PC has, to me, is the control set up. And that's not even that big of an advantage either. There's no way you can play the way I play on a PC with keyboard and mouse. Sure, you can use wireless keyboards and wireless mice. But you still have to be hunched over something to play them. You can't use a keyboard and mouse leaned back relaxing. If you want to make yourself look like a fool, go ahead. But there's one final thing. I spent $400 for my Xbox 360. That'll last me for a good five-six years. How much have you spent on your PC that'll have to be upgraded again in a couple more years?
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#36 WinFresh
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PC FPS > Console FPS

Now, can we shut up about it, already!?

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#37 jwcyclone15
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="alienhunter187"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="alienhunter187"][QUOTE="Kakarot00769"]

[QUOTE="project343"]Most developers know that analog is inferior to a mouse, as far as precision goes, thus they adjust their game to make it work. Bungie did this with Halo, and FASA's doing this with Shadowrun. Unfortunately, Epic is ignoring the fact that controllers have analog with Unreal Tournament 3, and that's why the latest PS3 gameplay video looks terrible. Unreal Tournament cannot be played with a controller. I suggest for Epic to do what Bungie has done with Halo: throw on auto-aim, then slow down the movement, the jumping, and the sensitivity. PC FPSs aren't necessairly better then console FPSs, they're simply 2 different genres.alienhunter187

FPS' s are best played on PC = FACT

Fact =/= opinion FACT!

What POSSIBLE reason could one want to play a FPS on consoels rather than PC?

Well, at some point in my gaming life that began oh around 15-20 years ago, I decided I liked playing games for fun and relaxation. Hunched over a desk staring at a screen that's three or four feet away from my face is not my idea of fun. To the contrary, sitting in my recliner or on my couch with my feet up on the coffee table, a wireless controller in my hand, a drink to the left or right of me playing Halo 2 on my 52 in HDTV and digital surround sound is much better.

Isn't it great the PC CAN be hooked up to that exact same setup and use wireless controllers with adrink in your hand as well? ON TO THE NEXT MISCONCEPTION. HI HO SILVEr!

You simply asked why I think console FPS are better and the controller is better. The only similarities you have made are PCs can be hooked up to a HDTV and have surround sound. You say you can use a wireless controller on a PC a swell. But doesn't that completely nullify your entire argument?

You can still use a wireless mouse and keyboard instead of a controller.... He is just saying there is almost no reason to prefer Console FPS over PC FPS....
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#38 jwcyclone15
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[QUOTE="alienhunter187"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]To the above: My arguement? I merely asked why you prefer console gaming. Why do you? Because of something the PC can do as well? So how does that allow you to state you prefer console gaming if the PC can do it as well? My arguement is NOT PC gaming is better, thats opinion. My arguement is that the PC can do and BE everything a console can, and that anyone who says "I prefer console gaming" usually have an underlying misconception. The PC can be used in the exact same setup, so please, use another misconception.

There's no misconception here. You tout your PC's superiority and that's fine and dandy. Great job. You can play it on a HDTV with surround sound. But the ONLY advantage that the PC has, to me, is the control set up. And that's not even that big of an advantage either. There's no way you can play the way I play on a PC with keyboard and mouse. Sure, you can use wireless keyboards and wireless mice. But you still have to be hunched over something to play them. You can't use a keyboard and mouse leaned back relaxing. If you want to make yourself look like a fool, go ahead. But there's one final thing. I spent $400 for my Xbox 360. That'll last me for a good five-six years. How much have you spent on your PC that'll have to be upgraded again in a couple more years?

What about Higher Rez, Higher FPS, and dedicated servers.... IF you want to play games better than a 360...you don't have to upgrade every couple years...Once you build a PC that is more powerful than a 360..it will always be more poweful.
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#39 alienhunter187
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[QUOTE="alienhunter187"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="alienhunter187"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="alienhunter187"][QUOTE="Kakarot00769"]

[QUOTE="project343"]Most developers know that analog is inferior to a mouse, as far as precision goes, thus they adjust their game to make it work. Bungie did this with Halo, and FASA's doing this with Shadowrun. Unfortunately, Epic is ignoring the fact that controllers have analog with Unreal Tournament 3, and that's why the latest PS3 gameplay video looks terrible. Unreal Tournament cannot be played with a controller. I suggest for Epic to do what Bungie has done with Halo: throw on auto-aim, then slow down the movement, the jumping, and the sensitivity. PC FPSs aren't necessairly better then console FPSs, they're simply 2 different genres.jwcyclone15

FPS' s are best played on PC = FACT

Fact =/= opinion FACT!

What POSSIBLE reason could one want to play a FPS on consoels rather than PC?

Well, at some point in my gaming life that began oh around 15-20 years ago, I decided I liked playing games for fun and relaxation. Hunched over a desk staring at a screen that's three or four feet away from my face is not my idea of fun. To the contrary, sitting in my recliner or on my couch with my feet up on the coffee table, a wireless controller in my hand, a drink to the left or right of me playing Halo 2 on my 52 in HDTV and digital surround sound is much better.

Isn't it great the PC CAN be hooked up to that exact same setup and use wireless controllers with adrink in your hand as well? ON TO THE NEXT MISCONCEPTION. HI HO SILVEr!

You simply asked why I think console FPS are better and the controller is better. The only similarities you have made are PCs can be hooked up to a HDTV and have surround sound. You say you can use a wireless controller on a PC a swell. But doesn't that completely nullify your entire argument?

You can still use a wireless mouse and keyboard instead of a controller.... He is just saying there is almost no reason to prefer Console FPS over PC FPS....

Did you guys miss that day in school where they explained the difference between fact an opinion? Judging by the intelligence level of the posts on this board, I would say almost everybody here missed a hell of a lot more than that. IN HIS OPINION, he does not see a reason to play console FPS over PC FPS. That's fine for him. Where he's mistaken is trying to pass his opinion off as fact, which it is not. I like my console FPS better because I can relax and I can play them without getting a second mortage and whoring my fiancee out to random guys on the street.
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#40 cobrax25
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[QUOTE="jwcyclone15"][QUOTE="alienhunter187"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]To the above: My arguement? I merely asked why you prefer console gaming. Why do you? Because of something the PC can do as well? So how does that allow you to state you prefer console gaming if the PC can do it as well? My arguement is NOT PC gaming is better, thats opinion. My arguement is that the PC can do and BE everything a console can, and that anyone who says "I prefer console gaming" usually have an underlying misconception. The PC can be used in the exact same setup, so please, use another misconception.

There's no misconception here. You tout your PC's superiority and that's fine and dandy. Great job. You can play it on a HDTV with surround sound. But the ONLY advantage that the PC has, to me, is the control set up. And that's not even that big of an advantage either. There's no way you can play the way I play on a PC with keyboard and mouse. Sure, you can use wireless keyboards and wireless mice. But you still have to be hunched over something to play them. You can't use a keyboard and mouse leaned back relaxing. If you want to make yourself look like a fool, go ahead. But there's one final thing. I spent $400 for my Xbox 360. That'll last me for a good five-six years. How much have you spent on your PC that'll have to be upgraded again in a couple more years?

What about Higher Rez, Higher FPS, and dedicated servers....

ill add to that.... Better online, Community Content
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#41 Sonicplys
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That why we have the Wii, so that we can play FPS perfectly, just like the PC. Not playing a crappy game (Halo 3) on a crappy system (Xbox360) on crappy controllers( im talking to you too, PS3).
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#42 coolguy1111
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[QUOTE="dlind70"]Personally, I'm well versed in both standards for FPS games. Why is sticky aiming a bad thing on consoles? Why is "wsad" worse than analog for k/b? There is a reason games like Halo are still being played; and there is a reason games like UT2004 are still being played. Who cares if it's "gimped?" As long as it was developed to be fun for that platform, everyone should be happy. P.S.: Everyone needs to stop **** about this subject because it's getting old.

Sticky aim isnt bad, it just makes it alot easier. Now you dont need to be exact. I cant juke or strafe to make miss. Thats the hardest part about fpses, hitting a moving target and trying to predict where your enemy will move. If the game helps you with that, then its alot easier.
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#43 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="alienhunter187"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]To the above: My arguement? I merely asked why you prefer console gaming. Why do you? Because of something the PC can do as well? So how does that allow you to state you prefer console gaming if the PC can do it as well? My arguement is NOT PC gaming is better, thats opinion. My arguement is that the PC can do and BE everything a console can, and that anyone who says "I prefer console gaming" usually have an underlying misconception. The PC can be used in the exact same setup, so please, use another misconception.

There's no misconception here. You tout your PC's superiority and that's fine and dandy. Great job. You can play it on a HDTV with surround sound. But the ONLY advantage that the PC has, to me, is the control set up. And that's not even that big of an advantage either. There's no way you can play the way I play on a PC with keyboard and mouse. Sure, you can use wireless keyboards and wireless mice. But you still have to be hunched over something to play them. You can't use a keyboard and mouse leaned back relaxing. If you want to make yourself look like a fool, go ahead. But there's one final thing. I spent $400 for my Xbox 360. That'll last me for a good five-six years. How much have you spent on your PC that'll have to be upgraded again in a couple more years?

No misconception? You blatantly stated you perfer cnosole gaming because you can play relaxed on the couch over hunched the desk. I stated that this is a misconception. Why deny it? Besides, welcome to misconception number two. You can purchase a PC and it will last the entire generation just fine. The only ones who need to upgrade are AV nerds and power twinks.
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#44 kentlucky
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No misconception? You blatantly stated you perfer cnosole gaming because you can play relaxed on the couch over hunched the desk. I stated that this is a misconception. Why deny it? Besides, welcome to misconception number two. You can purchase a PC and it will last the entire generation just fine. The only ones who need to upgrade are AV nerds and power twinks.Vandalvideo


Maybe he doesn't want his computer in his living room for aesthetic reasons or maybe he doesn't have the space for it in his living room.  This may come as a shock to you but not everyone has the same priorities and tastes as you.  Perhaps he just wants a small unobtrusive unit in his living room that can do all the gaming that he wants. 
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Lems and Hermits listen up! I myself am an avid CS: Source/1.6 gamer and console gamer. No offense but you Lems and Hermits are making yourself look like idiots. The truth is, it doesn't matter which is better UNLESS a console player is playing with a pc gamer on crossover. For example, if I am playing with a gamepad on lets say.....Rainbow Six Vegas. As long as I am playing with other players who are using gamepad I will have the same skill as them because we both have the same limitations. So I will still own people and get owned by people. Same with PC, as long as I'm playing with a PC gamer I will own and get owned. So the experience will essentially be the same.

So to sum it all up, no matter what platform you are playing on, as long as you have the same controller it won't matter because everyone has the same chance as you. To call the same FPS better than the one for PC or 360 because of the controls is downright stupid (yes I am talking about you guys) because you are playing with the same controller.

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[QUOTE="Ontain"]after playing Red Steel (yes that 5.5 game) i'm sure that the wii will have the best FPS controls. I was very comfortable with the controls in red steel. it felt much better than the times i've used dual analogs. (i'm mostly a pc gamer so dual analog is unnatural to me) 
while the game itself was very spotty in terms of graphics, buggy and the story sucked. the controls were much better than what i was expecting.

ringuzi
the controls were awful it was not sensitive at all and the cursor always went to he edges of the screen and got messed up

I kind of agree though I really like the game. Call of Duty 3 for the Wii had awesome controls.
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That why we have the Wii, so that we can play FPS perfectly, just like the PC. Sonicplys


:?:?:?

The Wii-mote is almost as clunky as a regular controller for FPS.
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#48 ThreEve69
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i like having the normal style controller for fps.  if they made an easy controller everyone could use, then it wouldn't take skill to play
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[QUOTE="Sonicplys"]That why we have the Wii, so that we can play FPS perfectly, just like the PC. Teufelhuhn


:?:?:?

The Wii-mote is almost as clunky as a regular controller for FPS.

Prime 3 was said to have near PC-like controls.

We started up a new level where heroine Samus Aran explores a vast space station and immediately switched to expert mode. We're happy to report that it simulates the accuracy of PC first-person shooters almost perfectly, and we found ourselves soaring through levels, zipping around corners, pulling quick turns and zapping down enemies with pinpoint precision within seconds. Simply put, Retro has pretty much nailed it - and it makes the wait to 2007 for the game that much more difficult. We're not kidding when we write that Prime 3 feels like a brand new game with this control.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/732/732737p1.html

There might not be perfect FPS controls for a Wii game now,but they are coming.

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#50 cobrax25
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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Sonicplys"]That why we have the Wii, so that we can play FPS perfectly, just like the PC. VGobbsesser



:?:?:?

The Wii-mote is almost as clunky as a regular controller for FPS.

Prime 3 was said to have near PC-like controls.

We started up a new level where heroine Samus Aran explores a vast space station and immediately switched to expert mode. We're happy to report that it simulates the accuracy of PC first-person shooters almost perfectly, and we found ourselves soaring through levels, zipping around corners, pulling quick turns and zapping down enemies with pinpoint precision within seconds. Simply put, Retro has pretty much nailed it - and it makes the wait to 2007 for the game that much more difficult. We're not kidding when we write that Prime 3 feels like a brand new game with this control.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/732/732737p1.html

There might not be perfect FPS controls for a Wii game now,but they are coming.

didnt they put aim assist in the game.....