Console gamers don't get how big the PC Gaming market really is.

I keep hearing that the PC gaming market is much smaller and less accessable than the console market, but if you guys look at World of Warcraft alone, it has 9 million subscribers. This is only 1 game, and it outdoes the Playstation 3 by twice and is almost on par with the Xbox 360 when it comes to user base.

Now consider the majority of PC gamers do not even play WoW, and you'll start to see the bigger picture of how big the PC gaming market really is. I know it's hard to meassure how big the PC gaming sector is, but its much bigger than what the fanboys here think.

nice piont. I much prefer pc gaming than console gaming but i do like sitting on my couch playing halo and FF.elite_ferns1

I love Halo and FF too. :)

if it really is so big microsoft would have never launched the xbox

who cares anyway

yeah, look at nintendogs, which has sold nearly 15 million, and certainly most gamers don't play nintendogs...

also, WoW has been out for quite a bit longer than the consoles this gen have...

WoW is a flop.

if it really is so big microsoft would have never launched the xbox

who cares anyway

Kaosed

MS doesnt own PC gaming.

I keep hearing that the PC gaming market is much smaller and less accessable than the console market, but if you guys look at World of Warcraft alone, it has 9 million subscribers. This is only 1 game, and it outdoes the Playstation 3 by twice and is almost on par with the Xbox 360 when it comes to user base.

Now consider the majority of PC gamers do not even play WoW, and you'll start to see the bigger picture of how big the PC gaming market really is. I know it's hard to meassure how big the PC gaming sector is, but its much bigger than what the fanboys here think.

Xeratule

And you also fail to realize WoW has been out for over 3 years now and is the most played pc game out . You also forget that the PS2 sold well over 100 million units and the console market year after year simply makes more money then pc gaming.

I keep hearing that the PC gaming market is much smaller and less accessable than the console market, but if you guys look at World of Warcraft alone, it has 9 million subscribers. This is only 1 game, and it outdoes the Playstation 3 by twice and is almost on par with the Xbox 360 when it comes to user base.

Now consider the majority of PC gamers do not even play WoW, and you'll start to see the bigger picture of how big the PC gaming market really is. I know it's hard to meassure how big the PC gaming sector is, but its much bigger than what the fanboys here think.

Xeratule

Yes, but Wow was released in the PS3/XB/GC era, and the PS2 alone has a 120 million userbase.

Wow is a huge game, but it's not representative of every PC title.

yeah, look at nintendogs, which has sold nearly 15 million, and certainly most gamers don't play nintendogs...

also, WoW has been out for quite a bit longer than the consoles this gen have...

Onetouchable

The reason Nintendogs has sold nearly 15 million, is because there are way more than 15 million DS sold. (I believe its 47.27 million units sold). My point is that there are way more than 9 million gaming PCs because 1 hardcore game alone has 9 million players.

Pc gaming is small because it is easiler to dl pirated games like stalker, bioshock, RB6, graw 2 and etc... (Not that I do it)

Mulitplayer games like CS:S, WoW, starcraft and etc need a cd key or code to play online and that is why those games are selling well.

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if it really is so big microsoft would have never launched the xbox

who cares anyway

cobrax25

MS doesnt own PC gaming.

unless u want to play crappy flash games u need windows, so yeah MS pretty much owns PC games

how can you make a claim that "majority of pc gamers dont play WoW?"

thats basically a stab in the dark. blindfolded.

[QUOTE="Xeratule"]

I keep hearing that the PC gaming market is much smaller and less accessable than the console market, but if you guys look at World of Warcraft alone, it has 9 million subscribers. This is only 1 game, and it outdoes the Playstation 3 by twice and is almost on par with the Xbox 360 when it comes to user base.

Now consider the majority of PC gamers do not even play WoW, and you'll start to see the bigger picture of how big the PC gaming market really is. I know it's hard to meassure how big the PC gaming sector is, but its much bigger than what the fanboys here think.

fuzzysquash

Yes, but Wow was released in the PS3/XB/GC era, and the PS2 alone has a 120 million userbase.

Wow is a huge game, but it's not representative of every PC title.

That's my point, WoW is only 1 game so there must be much more than 9 million gaming PCs. The game just released an expansion pack this gen, so it should still be counted as current gen. Graphics doesn't matter unless you don't want to count the Wii.

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if it really is so big microsoft would have never launched the xbox

who cares anyway

Kaosed

MS doesnt own PC gaming.

unless u want to play crappy flash games u need windows, so yeah MS pretty much owns PC games

MS makes nothing off PC games.....

you have no idea what you are talking about.

Ps2 is the only weapon that cankill hermits. :P

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if it really is so big microsoft would have never launched the xbox

who cares anyway

cobrax25

MS doesnt own PC gaming.

unless u want to play crappy flash games u need windows, so yeah MS pretty much owns PC games

MS makes nothing off PC games.....

you have no idea what you are talking about.

games for windows

and no, i dont meant that ms mkes the games, but theres no use in having a game and no console

WoW is a flop.

UssjTrunks

Explain how the most succesful MMO is a flop?

Anyways, I personally think the PC market is bigger than what most console gamers make it out to be.

The PC gaming industry is a totally different beast than the console market. The console market is dominated by a much younger demographic that runs out and buys the latest game. Most PC Gamers, including myself, purchase games on a more stringent basis, and most of my purchases are online that aren't included in the NPD numbers anyway.

PC games are played for years and years with a much longer lasting life compared to the average console game. This is mostly due in part to multiplayer and mmo games that keep communities alive for far longer than expected. For example, there is no game comparable to Counterstrike on consoles. Halo would be the closest, but that's because it's really the only decent title on the Xbox. Gears is pretty popular with the 360, but again, the userbase is so small compared to the Counterstrike Community, it's just not fair to compare. In fact, there are a ton more PC FPS players than console FPS players. There isn't even a comparable community to any MMO on console. While console gaming is big in the US and Japan, PC Gaming is much more popular on a worldwide basis.

Consoles dominate news and store-shelves for the very simple reason, each console has a marketing giant behind them, ie..MS, Sony, and Nintendo. The PC Gaming platform doesn't, as it's a wide open free platform. It shouldn't bother any PC Gamer that our favorite platform isn't in the limelight, as it's always been a niche market, and an enthusiast's market. Also, many PC gamers also enjoy console gaming as well, just talk to many here on the boards. It's the PC gamers that know the pros and cons of both, not the rabid emotional console fanbboy that's never had a gaming rig in their life.

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if it really is so big microsoft would have never launched the xbox

who cares anyway

Kaosed

MS doesnt own PC gaming.

unless u want to play crappy flash games u need windows, so yeah MS pretty much owns PC games

MS makes nothing off PC games.....

you have no idea what you are talking about.

games for windows

and no, i dont meant that ms mkes the games, but theres no use in having a game and no console

they dont profit off games for windows games either.....in fact they pay devs to go games for windows.....games for windows ia a way to ensure that as many future games as possible will have vista support and 64 bit support (the next MS OS will be only 64 bit...so this is particulary important)

yeah, look at nintendogs, which has sold nearly 15 million, and certainly most gamers don't play nintendogs...

also, WoW has been out for quite a bit longer than the consoles this gen have...

Onetouchable

huh... 9 million wow users are the ones CURRENTLY playing, it most likely sold a lot more then 9 million

That's my point, WoW is only 1 game so there must be much more than 9 million gaming PCs. The game just released an expansion pack this gen, so it should still be counted as current gen. Graphics doesn't matter unless you don't want to count the Wii.

Xeratule

ok, it does NOT take a gaming PC to run WoW. it's probably harder to find a PC out now that can't run it than one that can, and just because someone owns WoW doesn't make them an automatic "hardcore" PC gamer, I know plenty of people who play WoW, but have never heard of games like Boishock.

how can you make a claim that "majority of pc gamers dont play WoW?"

thats basically a stab in the dark. blindfolded.

JPOBS

It's a stab in the dark blind folded, but it is very unlikely that WoW has over 50% of the PC market all to itself. Take a look at the DS top selling game and you'll see that it's only a fraction of how many DS are sold.

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I keep hearing that the PC gaming market is much smaller and less accessable than the console market, but if you guys look at World of Warcraft alone, it has 9 million subscribers. This is only 1 game, and it outdoes the Playstation 3 by twice and is almost on par with the Xbox 360 when it comes to user base.

Now consider the majority of PC gamers do not even play WoW, and you'll start to see the bigger picture of how big the PC gaming market really is. I know it's hard to meassure how big the PC gaming sector is, but its much bigger than what the fanboys here think.

Xeratule

Yes, but Wow was released in the PS3/XB/GC era, and the PS2 alone has a 120 million userbase.

Wow is a huge game, but it's not representative of every PC title.

That's my point, WoW is only 1 game so there must be much more than 9 million gaming PCs. The game just released an expansion pack this gen, so it should still be counted as current gen. Graphics doesn't matter unless you don't want to count the Wii.

Of course there are more than 9 million gaming PC's. But it's far less than the number of game consoles.

Have you ever wondered why the PC section is always tucked in the back of game retail stores? Or why the majority of developers are invested in console game development? It's supply meeting demand.

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if it really is so big microsoft would have never launched the xbox

who cares anyway

cobrax25

MS doesnt own PC gaming.

unless u want to play crappy flash games u need windows, so yeah MS pretty much owns PC games

MS makes nothing off PC games.....

you have no idea what you are talking about.

games for windows

and no, i dont meant that ms mkes the games, but theres no use in having a game and no console

they dont profit off games for windows games either.....in fact they pay devs to go games for windows.....games for windows ia a way to ensure that as many future games as possible will have vista support and 64 bit support (the next MS OS will be only 64 bit...so this is particulary important)

basicly u need windows to play the games, dam it took u so long to understand?

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That's my point, WoW is only 1 game so there must be much more than 9 million gaming PCs. The game just released an expansion pack this gen, so it should still be counted as current gen. Graphics doesn't matter unless you don't want to count the Wii.

Onetouchable

ok, it does NOT take a gaming PC to run WoW. it's probably harder to find a PC out now that can't run it than one that can, and just because someone owns WoW doesn't make them an automatic "hardcore" PC gamer, I know plenty of people who play WoW, but have never heard of games like Boishock.

If you are paying a monthly fee to play a game, it's automaticly hardcore. Graphics doesn't matter unless you want to discount the Wii all together.

I keep hearing that the PC gaming market is much smaller and less accessable than the console market, but if you guys look at World of Warcraft alone, it has 9 million subscribers. This is only 1 game, and it outdoes the Playstation 3 by twice and is almost on par with the Xbox 360 when it comes to user base.

Now consider the majority of PC gamers do not even play WoW, and you'll start to see the bigger picture of how big the PC gaming market really is. I know it's hard to meassure how big the PC gaming sector is, but its much bigger than what the fanboys here think.

Xeratule

Yeah, people always seem to miss this point. The PC gaming userbase can surpass 10 mil, with just one dev: Blizzard. The combined userbase of WoW, Starcraft, Diablo II, and Warcraft III, is probably more than all of the 360's.

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if it really is so big microsoft would have never launched the xbox

who cares anyway

Kaosed

MS doesnt own PC gaming.

unless u want to play crappy flash games u need windows, so yeah MS pretty much owns PC games

MS makes nothing off PC games.....

you have no idea what you are talking about.

games for windows

and no, i dont meant that ms mkes the games, but theres no use in having a game and no console

they dont profit off games for windows games either.....in fact they pay devs to go games for windows.....games for windows ia a way to ensure that as many future games as possible will have vista support and 64 bit support (the next MS OS will be only 64 bit...so this is particulary important)

basicly u need windows to play the games, dam it took u so long to understand?

there are a lot of other things in a PC other then the OS.....none of these are made by MS....thats why the PC is an open platform....

anyone can make a game for windows....without paying MS anything.....

The PC gaming industry is a totally different beast than the console market. The console market is dominated by a much younger demographic that runs out and buys the latest game. Most PC Gamers, including myself, purchase games on a more stringent basis, and most of my purchases are online that aren't included in the NPD numbers anyway.

PC games are played for years and years with a much longer lasting life compared to the average console game. This is mostly due in part to multiplayer and mmo games that keep communities alive for far longer than expected. For example, there is no game comparable to Counterstrike on consoles. Halo would be the closest, but that's because it's really the only decent title on the Xbox. Gears is pretty popular with the 360, but again, the userbase is so small compared to the Counterstrike Community, it's just not fair to compare. In fact, there are a ton more PC FPS players than console FPS players. There isn't even a comparable community to any MMO on console. While console gaming is big in the US and Japan, PC Gaming is much more popular on a worldwide basis.

Consoles dominate news and store-shelves for the very simple reason, each console has a marketing giant behind them, ie..MS, Sony, and Nintendo. The PC Gaming platform doesn't, as it's a wide open free platform. It shouldn't bother any PC Gamer that our favorite platform isn't in the limelight, as it's always been a niche market, and an enthusiast's market. Also, many PC gamers also enjoy console gaming as well, just talk to many here on the boards. It's the PC gamers that know the pros and cons of both, not the rabid emotional console fanbboy that's never had a gaming rig in their life.

mismajor99

"The truth is out there"

but really great post man,there are probably more asians playing all those free MMOs and gold farming them,than there are consoles made lol

The PC gaming industry is a totally different beast than the console market. The console market is dominated by a much younger demographic that runs out and buys the latest game. Most PC Gamers, including myself, purchase games on a more stringent basis, and most of my purchases are online that aren't included in the NPD numbers anyway.

PC games are played for years and years with a much longer lasting life compared to the average console game. This is mostly due in part to multiplayer and mmo games that keep communities alive for far longer than expected. For example, there is no game comparable to Counterstrike on consoles. Halo would be the closest, but that's because it's really the only decent title on the Xbox. Gears is pretty popular with the 360, but again, the userbase is so small compared to the Counterstrike Community, it's just not fair to compare. In fact, there are a ton more PC FPS players than console FPS players. There isn't even a comparable community to any MMO on console. While console gaming is big in the US and Japan, PC Gaming is much more popular on a worldwide basis.

Consoles dominate news and store-shelves for the very simple reason, each console has a marketing giant behind them, ie..MS, Sony, and Nintendo. The PC Gaming platform doesn't, as it's a wide open free platform. It shouldn't bother any PC Gamer that our favorite platform isn't in the limelight, as it's always been a niche market, and an enthusiast's market. Also, many PC gamers also enjoy console gaming as well, just talk to many here on the boards. It's the PC gamers that know the pros and cons of both, not the rabid emotional console fanbboy that's never had a gaming rig in their life.

mismajor99

I agree with this.

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if it really is so big microsoft would have never launched the xbox

who cares anyway

cobrax25

MS doesnt own PC gaming.

unless u want to play crappy flash games u need windows, so yeah MS pretty much owns PC games

MS makes nothing off PC games.....

you have no idea what you are talking about.

games for windows

and no, i dont meant that ms mkes the games, but theres no use in having a game and no console

they dont profit off games for windows games either.....in fact they pay devs to go games for windows.....games for windows ia a way to ensure that as many future games as possible will have vista support and 64 bit support (the next MS OS will be only 64 bit...so this is particulary important)

basicly u need windows to play the games, dam it took u so long to understand?

there are a lot of other things in a PC other then the OS.....none of these are made by MS....thats why the PC is an open platform....

anyone can make a game for windows....without paying MS anything.....

1. were are talking about games

2.to play games for windows you NEED windows

so yea ur pretty much saying the same over again

Dont be silly. You cant use WoW. They'll say "Is that the only game you've got?!?" You apparantly cant use games like Maple Story, and its 14 million subcribers as a way to prove that while WoW's 9 million is alot, its not #1. Who cares when sites report things like " The world of console gaming in Korea may be massively dwarfed by the country's ever-booming PC sector"? you cant use foreign countries because the entire world consits of the US and Japan. Nobody cares when India and China have a much larger audience of PC gamers than console gamers when you've got quotes like these "The real question is, what's going to happen to consoles when India and China become world powers in gaming? Because, the console market is strictly geared at U.S., Europe and Japan. I mean, there's not a sizeable console market in China and India." Theres nothing to note when studies in Europe show that PC gaming is the platform of choice in Europe either.

When titles like Guild Wars sell in US/UK of 4 million copies, it doesnt count because... well... it doesnt.

[QUOTE="Xeratule"][QUOTE="fuzzysquash"][QUOTE="Xeratule"]

I keep hearing that the PC gaming market is much smaller and less accessable than the console market, but if you guys look at World of Warcraft alone, it has 9 million subscribers. This is only 1 game, and it outdoes the Playstation 3 by twice and is almost on par with the Xbox 360 when it comes to user base.

Now consider the majority of PC gamers do not even play WoW, and you'll start to see the bigger picture of how big the PC gaming market really is. I know it's hard to meassure how big the PC gaming sector is, but its much bigger than what the fanboys here think.

fuzzysquash

Yes, but Wow was released in the PS3/XB/GC era, and the PS2 alone has a 120 million userbase.

Wow is a huge game, but it's not representative of every PC title.

That's my point, WoW is only 1 game so there must be much more than 9 million gaming PCs. The game just released an expansion pack this gen, so it should still be counted as current gen. Graphics doesn't matter unless you don't want to count the Wii.

Of course there are more than 9 million gaming PC's. But it's far less than the number of game consoles.

Have you ever wondered why the PC section is always tucked in the back of game retail stores? Or why the majority of developers are invested in console game development? It's supply meeting demand.

More than 9 million gaming PCs > than 4.5 million PS3 sold; thus my point is proven with only 1 game. The PC market is huge, but people rub it off so easily just because it can't be meassured accurately. Also if you walk into a Fry's Electronics or Best Buy you'll see a bigger PC section than if you walk into an EBGames or Gamestop.

[QUOTE="Onetouchable"][QUOTE="Xeratule"]

That's my point, WoW is only 1 game so there must be much more than 9 million gaming PCs. The game just released an expansion pack this gen, so it should still be counted as current gen. Graphics doesn't matter unless you don't want to count the Wii.

Xeratule

ok, it does NOT take a gaming PC to run WoW. it's probably harder to find a PC out now that can't run it than one that can, and just because someone owns WoW doesn't make them an automatic "hardcore" PC gamer, I know plenty of people who play WoW, but have never heard of games like Boishock.

If you are paying a monthly fee to play a game, it's automaticly hardcore. Graphics doesn't matter unless you want to discount the Wii all together.

so all the little kids who are members in runescape are all hardcore?

also...if you go somewhere like...here: vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php

you'll see that compared to console gaming, PC games barely sell at all.

although I do agree with the person who said that PC games last longer

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if it really is so big microsoft would have never launched the xbox

who cares anyway

Kaosed

MS doesnt own PC gaming.

unless u want to play crappy flash games u need windows, so yeah MS pretty much owns PC games

MS makes nothing off PC games.....

you have no idea what you are talking about.

games for windows

and no, i dont meant that ms mkes the games, but theres no use in having a game and no console

they dont profit off games for windows games either.....in fact they pay devs to go games for windows.....games for windows ia a way to ensure that as many future games as possible will have vista support and 64 bit support (the next MS OS will be only 64 bit...so this is particulary important)

basicly u need windows to play the games, dam it took u so long to understand?

there are a lot of other things in a PC other then the OS.....none of these are made by MS....thats why the PC is an open platform....

anyone can make a game for windows....without paying MS anything.....

1. were are talking about games

2.to play games for windows you NEED windows

so yea ur pretty much saying the same over again

that doesnt matter.....to play gmaes for windows you also need a CPU and a video card....microsoft doesnt make any of these.

if it really is so big microsoft would have never launched the xbox

who cares anyway

Kaosed

MS doens't make money from the PC gaming market, how many times have we ****ing gone over this?

[QUOTE="Xeratule"][QUOTE="Onetouchable"][QUOTE="Xeratule"]

That's my point, WoW is only 1 game so there must be much more than 9 million gaming PCs. The game just released an expansion pack this gen, so it should still be counted as current gen. Graphics doesn't matter unless you don't want to count the Wii.

Onetouchable

ok, it does NOT take a gaming PC to run WoW. it's probably harder to find a PC out now that can't run it than one that can, and just because someone owns WoW doesn't make them an automatic "hardcore" PC gamer, I know plenty of people who play WoW, but have never heard of games like Boishock.

If you are paying a monthly fee to play a game, it's automaticly hardcore. Graphics doesn't matter unless you want to discount the Wii all together.

so all the little kids who are members in runescape are all hardcore?

also...if you go somewhere like...here: vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php

you'll see that compared to console gaming, PC games barely sell at all.

although I do agree with the person who said that PC games last longer

VG chrats doesnt seem to track PC games at all.....

they still list WOW with only 6 million sales...despite the fact that its been confirmed to be twice that....

same with a lot of other games I have noticed there....like Hl2, and Civ 4.

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if it really is so big microsoft would have never launched the xbox

who cares anyway

Kaosed

MS doesnt own PC gaming.

unless u want to play crappy flash games u need windows, so yeah MS pretty much owns PC games

MS makes nothing off PC games.....

you have no idea what you are talking about.

games for windows

and no, i dont meant that ms mkes the games, but theres no use in having a game and no console

Just stop now ... your digging a bigger ditch .... MS earns nothing from most of the games under the GFW banner, only Halo / Gears and 1 or 2 others.

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if it really is so big microsoft would have never launched the xbox

who cares anyway

Hot_Potato

MS doens't make money from the PC gaming market, how many times have we ****ing gone over this?

well they do make money from all the people who might buy macs if a mac could easily play their games.

[QUOTE="Xeratule"][QUOTE="Onetouchable"][QUOTE="Xeratule"]

That's my point, WoW is only 1 game so there must be much more than 9 million gaming PCs. The game just released an expansion pack this gen, so it should still be counted as current gen. Graphics doesn't matter unless you don't want to count the Wii.

Onetouchable

ok, it does NOT take a gaming PC to run WoW. it's probably harder to find a PC out now that can't run it than one that can, and just because someone owns WoW doesn't make them an automatic "hardcore" PC gamer, I know plenty of people who play WoW, but have never heard of games like Boishock.

If you are paying a monthly fee to play a game, it's automaticly hardcore. Graphics doesn't matter unless you want to discount the Wii all together.

so all the little kids who are members in runescape are all hardcore?

also...if you go somewhere like...here: vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php

you'll see that compared to console gaming, PC games barely sell at all.

although I do agree with the person who said that PC games last longer

Runescape is a free game. You don't have to pay a monthly fee to play it.

PC market is now going towards online distribution mostly,couse thats whats most profitable for developers!

So u cant really use those vgchartz as a proof of anything.

Dont be silly. You cant use WoW. They'll say "Is that the only game you've got?!?" You apparantly cant use games like Maple Story, and its 14 million subcribers as a way to prove that while WoW's 9 million is alot, its not #1. Who cares when sites report things like " The world of console gaming in Korea may be massively dwarfed by the country's ever-booming PC sector"? you cant use foreign countries because the entire world consits of the US and Japan. Nobody cares when India and China have a much larger audience of PC gamers than console gamers when you've got quotes like these "The real question is, what's going to happen to consoles when India and China become world powers in gaming? Because, the console market is strictly geared at U.S., Europe and Japan. I mean, there's not a sizeable console market in China and India."

When titles like Guild Wars sell in US/UK of 4 million copies, it doesnt count because... well... it doesnt.

XaosII

Thats pretty much /ownage to this thread ... Lineage 1 apperently boasted that a 1/3 of thier population in NK had played lineage.

More than 9 million gaming PCs > than 4.5 million PS3 sold; thus my point is proven with only 1 game. The PC market is huge, but people rub it off so easily just because it can't be meassured accurately. Also if you walk into a Fry's Electronics or Best Buy you'll see a bigger PC section than if you walk into an EBGames or Gamestop.

Xeratule

*sigh*

Gaming PC's don't run in generations, so given that old PC's that can run Wow have been around much longer than the PS3, obviously there are more old PC's out there than PS3's. The question is, how many PC's fully upgraded to be able to run current games (i.e. Crysis, Gears of War) are out there?

And why are most developers and publishers focusing on console games than PC games? Why did ex-Microsoft Corporate VP Peter Moore have to apologize to PC gamers for leaving them out in the cold? And why does Microsoft Game Studios and the majority of other publishers continue to focus on console games?

Why are former PC-focused dev's like Epic shifting resources toward the console market?

The PC gaming market is dwindling, and that's a fact. Ask Mark Rein.

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I keep hearing that the PC gaming market is much smaller and less accessable than the console market, but if you guys look at World of Warcraft alone, it has 9 million subscribers. This is only 1 game, and it outdoes the Playstation 3 by twice and is almost on par with the Xbox 360 when it comes to user base.

Now consider the majority of PC gamers do not even play WoW, and you'll start to see the bigger picture of how big the PC gaming market really is. I know it's hard to meassure how big the PC gaming sector is, but its much bigger than what the fanboys here think.

FlamingFlamingo

Yeah, people always seem to miss this point. The PC gaming userbase can surpass 10 mil, with just one dev: Blizzard. The combined userbase of WoW, Starcraft, Diablo II, and Warcraft III, is probably more than all of the 360's.

That's exactly what I am getting at. Thank you. :)

[QUOTE="Xeratule"]

More than 9 million gaming PCs > than 4.5 million PS3 sold; thus my point is proven with only 1 game. The PC market is huge, but people rub it off so easily just because it can't be meassured accurately. Also if you walk into a Fry's Electronics or Best Buy you'll see a bigger PC section than if you walk into an EBGames or Gamestop.

fuzzysquash

*sigh*

Gaming PC's don't run in generations, so given that old PC's that can run Wow have been around much longer than the PS3, obviously there are more old PC's out there than PS3's. The question is, how many PC's fully upgraded to be able to run current games (i.e. Crysis, Gears of War) are out there?

And why are most developers and publishers focusing on console games than PC games? Why did ex-Microsoft Corporate VP Peter Moore have to apologize to PC gamers for leaving them out in the cold? And why does Microsoft Game Studios and the majority of other publishers continue to focus on console games?

Why are former PC-focused dev's like Epic shifting resources toward the console market?

The PC gaming market is dwindling, and that's a fact. Ask Mark Rein.

MS doesnt make any money from PC games....of course they want to push their console more.

and thats completly untrue....PC's have far more games coming out for them then consoles do.....

and if you think Epic has always been a PC only dev. thats also not true....in case you havent noticed...they have always either ported, or made spin-offs of their PC games to consoles.

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More than 9 million gaming PCs > than 4.5 million PS3 sold; thus my point is proven with only 1 game. The PC market is huge, but people rub it off so easily just because it can't be meassured accurately. Also if you walk into a Fry's Electronics or Best Buy you'll see a bigger PC section than if you walk into an EBGames or Gamestop.

fuzzysquash

*sigh*

Gaming PC's don't run in generations, so given that old PC's that can run Wow have been around much longer than the PS3, obviously there are more old PC's out there than PS3's. The question is, how many PC's fully upgraded to be able to run current games (i.e. Crysis, Gears of War) are out there?

And why are most developers and publishers focusing on console games than PC games? Why did ex-Microsoft Corporate VP Peter Moore have to apologize to PC gamers for leaving them out in the cold? And why does Microsoft Game Studios and the majority of other publishers continue to focus on console games?

Why are former PC-focused dev's like Epic shifting resources toward the console market?

The PC gaming market is dwindling, and that's a fact. Ask Mark Rein.

The Wii is also not running on "next-gen" hardware, but its allowed to count? Why can't PCs with weaker hardware count too if the Wii can count? PC focused dev's like Epic are shifting resources towards the console market because they want to expand their business; it's not like Epic is giving up on PC developement.

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More than 9 million gaming PCs > than 4.5 million PS3 sold; thus my point is proven with only 1 game. The PC market is huge, but people rub it off so easily just because it can't be meassured accurately. Also if you walk into a Fry's Electronics or Best Buy you'll see a bigger PC section than if you walk into an EBGames or Gamestop.

fuzzysquash

*sigh*

Gaming PC's don't run in generations, so given that old PC's that can run Wow have been around much longer than the PS3, obviously there are more old PC's out there than PS3's. The question is, how many PC's fully upgraded to be able to run current games (i.e. Crysis, Gears of War) are out there?

And why are most developers and publishers focusing on console games than PC games? Why did ex-Microsoft Corporate VP Peter Moore have to apologize to PC gamers for leaving them out in the cold? And why does Microsoft Game Studios and the majority of other publishers continue to focus on console games?

Why are former PC-focused dev's like Epic shifting resources toward the console market?

The PC gaming market is dwindling, and that's a fact. Ask Mark Rein.

No, by your logic why has Capcom begun porting all thier games over to STEAM, why is the next Dead or Alive (online) coming to the PC instead of the Xbox? Why is Kojima or whatever his name is expressing interest in bringing the Metal Gear Solids back to the PC?

EPIC - bringing them to macs aswell as consoles.

This generation has nothign to do with favouring anything, its all about the multiplat money-whoring , because all 3 systems can produce similar quality games within a limit boundary.

Why is Ubisoft pooling all thier great Devs (Montreal) into Far Cry 2 .. a Game they have already said that there is no plans for a port, and maybe inpossible due to the game running directly off hardrives ... and I quote "To regain our reputation as great PC developers".

So ignorant :I .... ... all our multiplats ... Half Life , Unreal tournement , Doom , Quake , C&C. Have all been on the consoles before (UT - Dreamcast) ... the xbox shares alot more titles .... but then again, its doing crap ... 2 years and only 11 million sold? you tell me ...