Console gamers: why such a double standard?

*WARNING*THIS IS NOT A PC V CONSOLE THREAD. NOR AM I ASKING WHY YOU DONT LIKE PC GAMING *WARNING*

Now ive been here for sometime, and ive been involved in other sites. i see the same things happen over and over again. whenever theres any thread that has anything to do with the pc, or pc gaming, or pc gaming v the consoles. console gamers always set a double standard for the consoles and the pc. Also notice im saying console gamers and not just fanboys, this applies to pretty much every console gamer even if theyre not a fanboy. they choose the consoles over the pc but still have a double standard when asked why.

also this is not a pc v console thread, nor am i trying to get you to game on a pc. im just trying to understand why theres such a double standard for people.

1. Value - console owners bicker back and forth about the price of the consoles and people always come back with the value wether it be the ps3s price, xbox LIVE, w.e they always pull the value card. yet anytime the pc is involved it doesnt matter how much extra it does its still expensive. or none of the extra matters for gaming. so why is it ok to say the ps3 is worth it because of the value but ignore a pcs value and only look at the price?

2. graphics - ps3 and 360 owners constantly argue about what system has the better graphics when the differences between multiplats and even exclusives are so minor its hardly even worth mentioning. maybe some better textures here or one more light here or some AA there. and im talking about graphics as in the tech behind it. since you cant compare visuals aka the way a game looks. its all subjective. back to the point. then how come when pc gamers talk about multiplats having better graphics even though its usually a big increase such as higher resolutions,better textures, and some better lighting and a longer draw distance (which if im not mistaken is quite a bit more than the only difference being the amount of AA or some textures) how come automatically its so minor its not even worth discussing?

2. upgrading - this is the biggest one to me. the biggest reason people give for gaming on a console over a pc is upgrading. "i dont want to have to upgrade all the time" so how come its ok if you have to buy a new system every so many years? its no different than upgrading, and it occurs just as often. example if you bought a pc in 2006 guess what? itll still play games. and if you bought highmid - enthusiest level hardware itll run on settings as good if not better than the consoles (may be the same but at a higher res), so you still wont NEED an upgrade unless you want better graphics than the consoles. which brings me to the next double standard

3.how come the pc has to play games at the highest settings but consoles dont? consoles start off playing games on high at 720p for this gen. were already at games running at the equivelent of medium or medium high settings. but yet when people compare the pc they always say something like "oh you need a $1000 pc to play games" then when countered they turn to "yeah well that $450 pc isnt going to max out crysis at 1080p 60fps" or something to that extent. so why is that nessacery? why is it ok for the consoles to run a game at medium yet a comparable pc has to run it on max?

4.hackers - this is a minor one really. one arguement i see is that the pc is full of hackers. but yet every day theres always someone talking about glitchers and people exploiting things on the consoles. which is the same thing. so why is it ok for the console gamers but such a huge deal on the pc?

5. piracy - this is the final one. everyone loves claiming pc games dont sell or pc gaming is dying due to piracy. although if you look at any real statistic the numbers for games pirated on consoles and pc is equal for the user base (consoles have a smaller user base thus a smaller population of pirates) so i ask how come on the pc its such a huge deal to people (even though games still sell millions and most of the time sell as well as the consoles versions do) on the pc yet not an issue on the consoles? also about sales why do people lump the ps3 and 360 sales against the pc? two against one?

im just trying to see why poeple hold such double standards for the platforms. if youre a console gamer good for you im not trying to convince you otherwise. just trying to figure this out.

PC gamers: why do you care?

PC gamers: why do you care?

Miyuki-Chan

Truthfully, I don't...

PC gamers: why do you care?

Miyuki-Chan

i dont care whether you game on a console or pc. this is more about debating.

Because none of us want to play on PCs.bronxxbombers

that completly answered the question thank you for the wonderful and thoughtful insight

Because none of us want to play on PCs.bronxxbombers

I console game because I do. I don't PC game because I don't. Different gaming styles, PC just doesn't suit mine.siLVURcross

reread what i said. im not asking why you game on a console instead of a pc. frankly i dont care

[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"]Because none of us want to play on PCs.clyde46

PC gamers: why do you care?

Miyuki-Chan

PC gaming cost way too much for me. I mean, upgrading every year or so is just no appealing to me. You see, the PC has many requirements it needs to fulfill before it decides to run a certain game. A certain graphics card, a good CPU, and other things that some computers have and some don't. You can see any of this stuff at canyourunit.com The only requirements for console gaming are the console and the controller. You don't need to know any of that other stuff because it doesn't matter. Maybe it's just my personality, but in this case simple is better.MikeT072

another one missing my questions. im not asking why you dont like pc gaming im not asking any of that. im asking why you hold a double standard when debating about it.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="bronxxbombers"]Because none of us want to play on PCs.bronxxbombers

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="bronxxbombers"]Because none of us want to play on PCs.bronxxbombers

If by "real world" you mean your made up, flawed perception of reality, then yes, you would be correct.

But in the real REAL world, you're dead wrong.

Id rather not have to upgrade my system every two months to be able to play the latest games, no matter how good the game looks. I'd rather buy a console and have it for a looong while before upgrading.

Id rather not have to upgrade my system every two months to be able to play the latest games, no matter how good the game looks. I'd rather buy a console and have it for a looong while before upgrading.

wiifreak93

why doesnt anyone just read the thread? is that beyond the capabilities of the SW section really? Not only is this not what im asking i already adressed this in the post

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"][QUOTE="bronxxbombers"] In the real world(not system wars) PC sales for games aren't even close to consoles. So, its not a small voice.bronxxbombers

What does "mainstream audience" have to do with anything? And if anything Bioshock IS mainstream.

And you can stop talking out of your ass because VALVe themselfs have said that the Orange box sold better then the console versions. And really the orange boz is nowhere near close to selling 8 million or 16 million.

Id rather not have to upgrade my system every two months to be able to play the latest games, no matter how good the game looks. I'd rather buy a console and have it for a looong while before upgrading.

wiifreak93

[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"] Huh? Didn't bioshock for PC sell as much as the 360 version? And didn't the Orange Box on PC outsell both the console versions? And I don't know what you mean when the sales are nowhere near close. Most of the time they are very close....JangoWuzHere

What does "mainstream audience" have to do with anything? And if anything Bioshock IS mainstream.

And you can stop talking out of your ass because VALVe themselfs have said that the Orange box sold better then the console versions. And really the orange boz is nowhere near close to selling 8 million or 16 million.

[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"] Huh? Didn't bioshock for PC sell as much as the 360 version? And didn't the Orange Box on PC outsell both the console versions? And I don't know what you mean when the sales are nowhere near close. Most of the time they are very close....JangoWuzHere

What does "mainstream audience" have to do with anything? And if anything Bioshock IS mainstream.

And you can stop talking out of your ass because VALVe themselfs have said that the Orange box sold better then the console versions. And really the orange boz is nowhere near close to selling 8 million or 16 million.

Since when are Half-Life 2 and Team Fortress 2 "niche titles"?

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"] I believe CoD 4 or 5, both games appeal much more to a mainstream audience then Bioshock, and Orange Box, only sold 1 million on the PC, compared to 16 or 8 million on consoles. Bioshock & Orange Box are much more of a niche game, and I think those sort of games appeal much more to a PC audience.psn8214

What does "mainstream audience" have to do with anything? And if anything Bioshock IS mainstream.

And you can stop talking out of your ass because VALVe themselfs have said that the Orange box sold better then the console versions. And really the orange boz is nowhere near close to selling 8 million or 16 million.

Since when are Half-Life 2 and Team Fortress 2 "niche titles"?

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]I console game because I do. I don't PC game because I don't. Different gaming styles, PC just doesn't suit mine.washd123

reread what i said. im not asking why you game on a console instead of a pc. frankly i dont care

[QUOTE="washd123"]

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]I console game because I do. I don't PC game because I don't. Different gaming styles, PC just doesn't suit mine.siLVURcross

reread what i said. im not asking why you game on a console instead of a pc. frankly i dont care

i dont. people can game on whatever they like. it really doesnt affect me.

[QUOTE="wiifreak93"]

Id rather not have to upgrade my system every two months to be able to play the latest games, no matter how good the game looks. I'd rather buy a console and have it for a looong while before upgrading.

washd123

why doesnt anyone just read the thread? is that beyond the capabilities of the SW section really? Not only is this not what im asking i already adressed this in the post

I didnt have to. Even though i did. You are asking why console gamers bash the pc, when i'm telling you the main reason why, in my opinion, i dont like the pc.

[QUOTE="washd123"]

[QUOTE="wiifreak93"]

Id rather not have to upgrade my system every two months to be able to play the latest games, no matter how good the game looks. I'd rather buy a console and have it for a looong while before upgrading.

wiifreak93

why doesnt anyone just read the thread? is that beyond the capabilities of the SW section really? Not only is this not what im asking i already adressed this in the post

I didnt have to. Even though i did. You are asking why console gamers bash the pc, when i'm telling you the main reason why, in my opinion, i dont like the pc.

then you didnt read because its not what im asking at all.

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="washd123"]

reread what i said. im not asking why you game on a console instead of a pc. frankly i dont care

washd123

i dont. people can game on whatever they like. it really doesnt affect me.

[QUOTE="psn8214"]

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

What does "mainstream audience" have to do with anything? And if anything Bioshock IS mainstream.

And you can stop talking out of your ass because VALVe themselfs have said that the Orange box sold better then the console versions. And really the orange boz is nowhere near close to selling 8 million or 16 million.

bronxxbombers

Since when are Half-Life 2 and Team Fortress 2 "niche titles"?

Ummm it makes sence if you are completly ignorant to PC gaming I guess.

[QUOTE="wiifreak93"]

Id rather not have to upgrade my system every two months to be able to play the latest games, no matter how good the game looks. I'd rather buy a console and have it for a looong while before upgrading.

JangoWuzHere

(Over exaggeration ftw!) clearly i don't mean every two months. I used to PC game.. When i got my new computer. Soon games were out performing my hardware and i didnt feel like putting more money down to play them, when i knew in the future i would have to put down even more money in order to play newer games. Its a cycle that i would not like to get myself involved with. Id rather pay my $400 and be done with it.

[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"][QUOTE="psn8214"]

Since when are Half-Life 2 and Team Fortress 2 "niche titles"?

JangoWuzHere

Ummm it makes sence if are completly ignorant to PC gaming I guess.

When it comes down to it, console gaming is just plain easier. All of the points the TC made are pretty much true. PC gaming has a lot to offer, but it also isn't accessible to those who don't know anything about computers. Growing up, the only computer in my parent's house was my dad's, and it couldn't really play anything I was interested in. I didn't get my own computer until I was in college, and by then I was too busy with schoolwork and didn't have the time and I didn't want to spend the effort on learning about computers. I hope to get an adequate gaming computer in the near future, but honestly, I prefer consoles because I am familiar with them, feel comfortable with them, and they are easier for me to use.

[QUOTE="wiifreak93"]

[QUOTE="washd123"]

why doesnt anyone just read the thread? is that beyond the capabilities of the SW section really? Not only is this not what im asking i already adressed this in the post

washd123

I didnt have to. Even though i did. You are asking why console gamers bash the pc, when i'm telling you the main reason why, in my opinion, i dont like the pc.

then you didnt read because its not what im asking at all.

You said, "Also notice im saying console gamers and not just fanboys, this applies to pretty much every console gamer even if theyre not a fanboy. they choose the consoles over the pc but still have a double standard when asked why."

When asked why. I am telling you in my opinion, why this is.

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"][QUOTE="wiifreak93"]

Id rather not have to upgrade my system every two months to be able to play the latest games, no matter how good the game looks. I'd rather buy a console and have it for a looong while before upgrading.

wiifreak93

(Over exaggeration ftw!) clearly i don't mean every two months. I used to PC game.. When i got my new computer. Soon games were out performing my hardware and i didnt feel like putting more money down to play them, when i knew in the future i would have to put down even more money in order to play newer games. Its a cycle that i would not like to get myself involved with. Id rather pay my $400 and be done with it.

[QUOTE="wiifreak93"]

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"] Who upgrades their system every 2 months? Honestly this is why PC gamers always 90% of the time win debates because most console games know almost NOTHING about PC gaming.JangoWuzHere

(Over exaggeration ftw!) clearly i don't mean every two months. I used to PC game.. When i got my new computer. Soon games were out performing my hardware and i didnt feel like putting more money down to play them, when i knew in the future i would have to put down even more money in order to play newer games. Its a cycle that i would not like to get myself involved with. Id rather pay my $400 and be done with it.

Clearly i was not. Another reason why console gaming is easier.

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"] Since me, your "average gamer" has never played it, heard of it, has a friend play it, or anything before coming here. Honestly guys, I'll admit, I'm really just pulling this stuff outta my ass, I love it when Hermits go into extra pissy mode. But some of what the stuff I say makes sense to me.bronxxbombers

Ummm it makes sence if are completly ignorant to PC gaming I guess.

[QUOTE="washd123"]

[QUOTE="wiifreak93"]

I didnt have to. Even though i did. You are asking why console gamers bash the pc, when i'm telling you the main reason why, in my opinion, i dont like the pc.

wiifreak93

then you didnt read because its not what im asking at all.

You said, "Also notice im saying console gamers and not just fanboys, this applies to pretty much every console gamer even if theyre not a fanboy. they choose the consoles over the pc but still have a double standard when asked why."

When asked why. I am telling you in my opinion, why this is.

-_- really? im asking why the double standard not why you chose console gaming.

[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

Ummm it makes sence if are completly ignorant to PC gaming I guess.

JangoWuzHere

None of my friends, barring one who PC games on a laptop(even I know thats bad) have any PC games or even consider PC games.

[QUOTE="wiifreak93"]

[QUOTE="washd123"]

then you didnt read because its not what im asking at all.

washd123

You said, "Also notice im saying console gamers and not just fanboys, this applies to pretty much every console gamer even if theyre not a fanboy. they choose the consoles over the pc but still have a double standard when asked why."

When asked why. I am telling you in my opinion, why this is.

-_- really? im asking why the double standard not why you chose console gaming.

Sorry, i didn't word that very well. Let me try again. Your saying that when asked, people who chose a console over a pc don't really have a reason why. When they are asked, they have a double standard. I am telling you why i chose console gaming over pc gaming. No double standard. I can't speak for other people though, and i don't know why they say double standards, clearly they havent put any thought behind it.

Sorry, i didn't word that very well. Let me try again. Your saying that when asked, people who chose a console over a pc don't really have a reason why. When they are asked, they have a double standard. I am telling you why i chose console gaming over pc gaming. No double standard.

wiifreak93

actually youre using a double standard i adressed in the post. upgrading. im aksing why you hold that double standard

I'll address these from my perspective:

1.Value- Usually when people discuss value it is in terms of what a machine does to enhance the gaming/entertainment experience. Examples being graphics and watching movies.

2.It's usually not worth discussing because usually it's brought in out of left field into a thread that explicitly is NOT talking about the computer.

3.It's less an issue of having to play games at the highest settings than it is seeing the same individuals say pc gaming has the best graphics and highest resolutions in one thread and then claiming pc gaming is cheaper (lol) than consoles in another. A (singular) computer can either be relatively inexpensive (still roughly triple console costs) and run games at modest settings, or expensive and crush crysis, not both.

4.I haven't run into problems with hackers on either platform, so I don't know.

5.I think you should change piracy to DRM. The last pc game I've bought (for now) was Prey, and it literally wouldn't allow me to run it because I had bit-torrent software on my computer.

*WARNING*THIS IS NOT A PC V CONSOLE THREAD. NOR AM I ASKING WHY YOU DONT LIKE PC GAMING *WARNING*

Now ive been here for sometime, and ive been involved in other sites. i see the same things happen over and over again. whenever theres any thread that has anything to do with the pc, or pc gaming, or pc gaming v the consoles. console gamers always set a double standard for the consoles and the pc. Also notice im saying console gamers and not just fanboys, this applies to pretty much every console gamer even if theyre not a fanboy. they choose the consoles over the pc but still have a double standard when asked why.

also this is not a pc v console thread, nor am i trying to get you to game on a pc. im just trying to understand why theres such a double standard for people.

1. Value - console owners bicker back and forth about the price of the consoles and people always come back with the value wether it be the ps3s price, xbox LIVE, w.e they always pull the value card. yet anytime the pc is involved it doesnt matter how much extra it does its still expensive. or none of the extra matters for gaming. so why is it ok to say the ps3 is worth it because of the value but ignore a pcs value and only look at the price?

2. graphics - ps3 and 360 owners constantly argue about what system has the better graphics when the differences between multiplats and even exclusives are so minor its hardly even worth mentioning. maybe some better textures here or one more light here or some AA there. and im talking about graphics as in the tech behind it. since you cant compare visuals aka the way a game looks. its all subjective. back to the point. then how come when pc gamers talk about multiplats having better graphics even though its usually a big increase such as higher resolutions,better textures, and some better lighting and a longer draw distance (which if im not mistaken is quite a bit more than the only difference being the amount of AA or some textures) how come automatically its so minor its not even worth discussing?

2. upgrading - this is the biggest one to me. the biggest reason people give for gaming on a console over a pc is upgrading. "i dont want to have to upgrade all the time" so how come its ok if you have to buy a new system every so many years? its no different than upgrading, and it occurs just as often. example if you bought a pc in 2006 guess what? itll still play games. and if you bought highmid - enthusiest level hardware itll run on settings as good if not better than the consoles (may be the same but at a higher res), so you still wont NEED an upgrade unless you want better graphics than the consoles. which brings me to the next double standard

3.how come the pc has to play games at the highest settings but consoles dont? consoles start off playing games on high at 720p for this gen. were already at games running at the equivelent of medium or medium high settings. but yet when people compare the pc they always say something like "oh you need a $1000 pc to play games" then when countered they turn to "yeah well that $450 pc isnt going to max out crysis at 1080p 60fps" or something to that extent. so why is that nessacery? why is it ok for the consoles to run a game at medium yet a comparable pc has to run it on max?

4.hackers - this is a minor one really. one arguement i see is that the pc is full of hackers. but yet every day theres always someone talking about glitchers and people exploiting things on the consoles. which is the same thing. so why is it ok for the console gamers but such a huge deal on the pc?

5. piracy - this is the final one. everyone loves claiming pc games dont sell or pc gaming is dying due to piracy. although if you look at any real statistic the numbers for games pirated on consoles and pc is equal for the user base (consoles have a smaller user base thus a smaller population of pirates) so i ask how come on the pc its such a huge deal to people (even though games still sell millions and most of the time sell as well as the consoles versions do) on the pc yet not an issue on the consoles? also about sales why do people lump the ps3 and 360 sales against the pc? two against one?

im just trying to see why poeple hold such double standards for the platforms. if youre a console gamer good for you im not trying to convince you otherwise. just trying to figure this out.

washd123

I play games on consoles and the PC becuase I love games. Am I alone here?

[QUOTE="wiifreak93"]

Sorry, i didn't word that very well. Let me try again. Your saying that when asked, people who chose a console over a pc don't really have a reason why. When they are asked, they have a double standard. I am telling you why i chose console gaming over pc gaming. No double standard.

washd123

actually youre using a double standard i adressed in the post. upgrading. im aksing why you hold that double standard

The difference is that with a pc you have to upgrade a lot more frequently then a console. Upgrading console every 7 years.upgrading pc every year. Even if you were to get a pc that didnt have to be upgraded for a while it could cost up to $2000(I got this number from a computer-tech school assignment, if that means anything). I dont know about you, but i dont want to be spending anymore then 500 dollars to game.

Honestly it doesnt matter what people "console gamers" say, as its always shot right down. So its never a "debate" but more of a flame war that goes on and on until the thread gets locked and people get banned.

Some people like what pc has to offer, some like what consoles have to offer. For everyone the dicission and reason is different and will be worth the price to each individual.

Really all I can say...

I play games on consoles and the PC becuase I love games. Am I alone here?

raynimrod

If you build a pc properly (read:spend a good amount of money upfront), you only have to upgrade maybe your videocard once or twice every 2-3 years. Although I don't see anything meatier than crysis coming out for a long time, so you could probably stretch out upgrades over a much longer period now. And cut that 2k price about in half for a nice top end computer that doesn't go crazy overboard on anything.

[QUOTE="washd123"]

[QUOTE="wiifreak93"]

Sorry, i didn't word that very well. Let me try again. Your saying that when asked, people who chose a console over a pc don't really have a reason why. When they are asked, they have a double standard. I am telling you why i chose console gaming over pc gaming. No double standard.

wiifreak93

actually youre using a double standard i adressed in the post. upgrading. im aksing why you hold that double standard

The difference is that with a pc you have to upgrade a lot more frequently then a console. Upgrading console every 7 years.upgrading pc every year. Even if you were to get a pc that didnt have to be upgraded for a while it could cost up to $2000(I got this number from a computer-tech school assignment, if that means anything). I dont know about you, but i dont want to be spending anymore then 500 dollars to game.

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"][QUOTE="bronxxbombers"] Which I am, and I think many kids are. I had no Idea PC had such good graphics, or that games actually came to it, and I think a lot of kids my age think so too. So, this all makes sense to me, put it probaly doesnt to you, because your educated on PC gaming.bronxxbombers

None of my friends, barring one who PC games on a laptop(even I know thats bad) have any PC games or even consider PC games.

Simple fact: the PC is the most expensive, period. Even the bargain PC threads I see still give out a modestly performing PC for $700 bucks, more expensive even then the PS3.