Console graphics war: Actions of the big 3, Microsoft left battlefield

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#1 dragonboot
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For us gamers lacking insider information, the best way to get to the truth is not to read what the professionals say. These professionals, whether they work for Sony or Microsoft or Nintendo, can be as biased anyone here in this forum. So, what is the best way to get to the truth? The answer lies in looking at the games already released and in looking at what the big boys (Nintendo, Sony, Mirosoft, and big publishers) do.

When it comes to the truth, actions speak louder than words. Assuming most of us already agree that the PS3 is home of console graphics kings, let's examine the actions of Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft with respect to the graphics war.

NINTENDO:

Nintendo had promised to WOW us with good graphics when the Wii was released. Instead, it made us yawn...in disgust. Since the Wii, can't produce HD graphics, Nintendo came to this generation admitting defeat in the graphics war. So, no need to discuss further.

SONY:

Sony bragged about 4D graphics, 1080p, and 120 fps. Sony failed to deliver on all counts. However, Sony clearly believes it has the most powerful console this generation. It invested heavily in first and second party developers and was willing to spend the money to create the most technically impressive games in the living room. As a result, when gamers think about the console with the graphics kings, they think about the PS3: Killzone 2,Uncharted 2, God of War 3, all AAA titles.. With continued investments by Sony, more graphics kings can be expected to come to the PS3. We can expect the PS3 to be home of the 3D graphics kings as well, juding by Sony's investments in 3D.

MICROSOFT:

Microsoft learned early that on paper, the PS3 could be more powerful, but since the PS3 was so difficult to work with during the early years, Microsoft took the opportunity to claim on its Xbox.com website that Xbox 360 is the more powerful console. Early games proved Microsoft right. But after the release of Killzone 2, Microsoft's insecurity set in. Xbox.com no longer claims Xbox 360 as the most powerful console. As gamers start to believe that the PS3 may indeed be more powerful than the 360, Microsoft released previews of Alan Wake and Halo Reach, giving its fans ammunition to fight the graphics war. Both of these games were supposed to use all of the 360's power. Unfortunately, based on Alan Wakes's release and Halo Reach's demo, the 360's power is not enough for the likes of Killzone 2 or Uncharted 2 or God of War 3.

While actions speak louder than words, inaction can speak just as loud. Since Alan Wake and Halo Reach's demo, Microsoft has done nothing to show that it intends to fight Sony in the grahics war. Microsoft's inaction to compete aganst Sony in the graphics war and in 3D, proves to me, without a doubt, that Microsoft believes Xbox 360 is the inferior console.You see, Microsoft is a fierce competitor. It is willing to lose billions and billions just keep fighting the search war with Google. But, why, oh why, doesn't Microsoft spend a hundred million or so to make a game that can once and for all prove that the 360 can match the PS3 in power?

The obvious answer, ladies and gentlemen, is that Microsoft no longer wants to fight in a war it knows it will lose. Microsoft has given up the graphics war.

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#2 Diviniuz
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Ok? And? So what if Microsoft doesn't invest heavily in a Graphic King, there making bank with an overall great console.
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#3 WhenCicadasCry
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:roll:

Crysis 2 will be running in 3D on the 360. Gears 2 was shown running in 3D. Do I need to post the Rage / Crysis 2 gifs again?

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#4 Cloud567kar
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Pretty sure everyone agrees that gameplay>graphics, sorry TC goin to have to try harder than that.

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#5 dragonboot
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Ok? And? So what if Microsoft doesn't invest heavily in a Graphic King, there making bank with an overall great console.Diviniuz
I never said Xbox 360 is not a great console. I do think the PS3 is an even greater console:)
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#6 Ravensmash
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I'll be honest. I don't think MS, Sony or Nintendo give a damn about a 'graphics war', mainly fought about on a forum where everybody insults other systems :P Regardless, Gears 3 looks incredible (on par with PS3 exclusives imo), Crysis 2 and Rage look even better. And let's not forget, graphics =/= power (always).
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:roll:

Crysis 2 will be running in 3D on the 360. Gears 2 was shown running in 3D. Do I need to post the Rage / Crysis 2 gifs again?

WhenCicadasCry

Oh!! I didn't know those games were being made by MS devs :o

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#9 KBFloYd
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Ps3 is king of last place..and thats it lol..j/k

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[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

:roll:

Crysis 2 will be running in 3D on the 360. Gears 2 was shown running in 3D. Do I need to post the Rage / Crysis 2 gifs again?

GreenGoblin2099

Oh!! I didn't know those games were being made by MS devs :o

Why does that matter? If a multiplat can potentially look better than anything on PS3 (other than the PS3 version), doesn't that show equal power?
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#11 Diviniuz
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:roll:

Crysis 2 will be running in 3D on the 360. Gears 2 was shown running in 3D. Do I need to post the Rage / Crysis 2 gifs again?

WhenCicadasCry
Where was Gears 2 shown in 3D? I thought it was the TV doing that, http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/701732/gears-of-war-2-hands-onin-3d-.html
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[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

:roll:

Crysis 2 will be running in 3D on the 360. Gears 2 was shown running in 3D. Do I need to post the Rage / Crysis 2 gifs again?

Ravensmash

Oh!! I didn't know those games were being made by MS devs :o

Why does that matter? If a multiplat can potentially look better than anything on PS3 (other than the PS3 version), doesn't that show equal power?

I nver said it mattered... but one thing is Bethesda/Crytek and other is MS.

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[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

:roll:

Crysis 2 will be running in 3D on the 360. Gears 2 was shown running in 3D. Do I need to post the Rage / Crysis 2 gifs again?

Diviniuz

Where was Gears 2 shown in 3D? I thought it was the TV doing that, http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/701732/gears-of-war-2-hands-onin-3d-.html

Still 3D. :P

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[QUOTE="Diviniuz"][QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

:roll:

Crysis 2 will be running in 3D on the 360. Gears 2 was shown running in 3D. Do I need to post the Rage / Crysis 2 gifs again?

WhenCicadasCry

Where was Gears 2 shown in 3D? I thought it was the TV doing that, http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/701732/gears-of-war-2-hands-onin-3d-.html

Still 3D. :P

Technically the TV can display anything 3D, so with that logic all games are 3d
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Do killzone2/3 have environments and battles as large as Halo Reach? If not, then I'm quite happy with the way the singleplayer looks so far. I just hope the story and length are better than odst's.

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Does killzone2/3 have environments and battles as large as Halo Reach? If not, then I'm quite happy with the way the singleplayer looks so far. I just hope the story and length are better than odst's.

topgunmv

There was a screenshot Bungie posted, showing that modified campaign co-op (on hardest difficulty with all skulls) took over 5 hours :P

Edit: That was one level btw.

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#17 topgunmv
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[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Does killzone2/3 have environments and battles as large as Halo Reach? If not, then I'm quite happy with the way the singleplayer looks so far. I just hope the story and length are better than odst's.

Ravensmash

There was a screenshot Bungie posted, showing that modified campaign co-op (on hardest difficulty with all skulls) took over 5 hours :P

Edit: That was one level btw.

Hopefully it doesn't take just 20 minutes on anything under that.

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:roll:

Crysis 2 will be running in 3D on the 360. Gears 2 was shown running in 3D. Do I need to post the Rage / Crysis 2 gifs again?

WhenCicadasCry
Standard graphics and 3d are very similar to the HD-DVD. Microsoft pretty much stood on the sidelines, letting instead Toshiba to fight for HD-DVD against Blu-ray. HD-DVD lost because Microsoft stood on the sidelines. Similarly, Microsoft let others fight against Sony in the graphics war and in the 3D war. You can therefore expect Sony to win. In terms of graphics from unreleased games, I learned to never hyped the graphics of an unreleased game. If you want, you go ahead. Just remember the hype for Lost Planet 2, Alan Wake, and Halo Reach. If the games are on the 360 and their graphics are hyped before release, the hype always ended in failure. ALWAYS.
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

Oh!! I didn't know those games were being made by MS devs :o

GreenGoblin2099

Why does that matter? If a multiplat can potentially look better than anything on PS3 (other than the PS3 version), doesn't that show equal power?

I nver said it mattered... but one thing is Bethesda/Crytek and other is MS.

pfff, id software bro. Not bethesda.

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#20 GreenGoblin2099
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[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Why does that matter? If a multiplat can potentially look better than anything on PS3 (other than the PS3 version), doesn't that show equal power?AAllxxjjnn

I nver said it mattered... but one thing is Bethesda/Crytek and other is MS.

pfff, id software bro. Not bethesda.

Oh sorry... is Bethestda just publishing?? Silly me :oops:

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#21 dragonboot
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Pretty sure everyone agrees that gameplay>graphics, sorry TC goin to have to try harder than that.

Cloud567kar
I also agree that gameplay>graphics. But gameplay with best graphics >gameplay with good graphics.
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back so soon, Persistantthug?

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#23 dragonboot
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Ps3 is king of last place..and thats it lol..j/k

KBFloYd

Ah, but last place might not last too long! The king of graphics, sounds, the 3D, movies, hard core motion control, mult-player size,---this king the PS3 w,ill claim its throne sooner or later. This king will live on way after the Wii and the 360 perishes.

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Why does that matter? If a multiplat can potentially look better than anything on PS3 (other than the PS3 version), doesn't that show equal power?Ravensmash
At this point in the console wars, potential means nothing. However, if a released game on Xbox 360--even if it is a multiplat, then yes it would matter.

However, as I said earlier, if a game is to be relased on Xbox 360 and hyped for its graphics, the hype always fails. Always. So, I think its time to stop hyping the graphics of an unreleased game on Xbox 360. So far, it's been failure after failure after failure.

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#26 Esnedon
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Where I live, the 250GB 360 Slim is AU$400 whilst the 120GB PS3 Slim is AU$600. The way it's looking, I don't think the PS3 will be taking over anytime soon.

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#27 a_simple_gamer
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Grapically, i like Alan Wake and Mass Effect 2more than any PS3 title by a landslide

Xbox 360 does 3D too

So, i dont agree at all

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back so soon, Persistantthug?

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yeah I couldn't remember his name...but now I recognize the consistant superiority tone of speaking, and the constant red font.
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Why does that matter? If a multiplat can potentially look better than anything on PS3 (other than the PS3 version), doesn't that show equal power?dragonboot

At this point in the console wars, potential means nothing. However, if a released game on Xbox 360--even if it is a multiplat, then yes it would matter.

However, as I said earlier, if a game is to be relased on Xbox 360 and hyped for its graphics, the hype always fails. Always. So, I think its time to stop hyping the graphics of an unreleased game on Xbox 360. So far, it's been failure after failure after failure.

it all ways fails...um...no... Gears of war met its hype in graphics, gears of war 2 met its hype in graphics, halo 3 and odst both reached their hype in graphics. Or am I not being genuine enough?
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#30 deleterguy
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It's this thread again..
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[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

Ps3 is king of last place..and thats it lol..j/k

dragonboot

Ah, but last place might not last too long! The king of graphics, sounds, the 3D, movies, hard core motion control, mult-player size,---this king the PS3 w,ill claim its throne sooner or later. This king will live on way after the Wii and the 360 perishes.

have you read the news, the 360 is actually selling more than at the moment than it did at release in 2005, the gap will get wider again due to a huge sales spike of the new harware and cheap as chips old hardware, the Ps3 will beat the 360 in sales, but this gen will be over before that happens, esspecially as we are probably getting close to the point of market saturation.
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I like to remind you that the PS2's weak hardware didn't exactly hurt its succes.

Who cares about teh graphix when you can play with Skittles the Tiger!

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#33 dragonboot
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Grapically, i like Alan Wake and Mass Effect 2more than any PS3 title by a landslide

Xbox 360 does 3D too

So, i dont agree at all

a_simple_gamer

Your taste in graphics differs from most by a landslide. Sure, Xbox 360 does 3D. Just don't expect it to do a good a job as the PS3.

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#34 dragonboot
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[QUOTE="dragonboot"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Why does that matter? If a multiplat can potentially look better than anything on PS3 (other than the PS3 version), doesn't that show equal power?WilliamRLBaker

At this point in the console wars, potential means nothing. However, if a released game on Xbox 360--even if it is a multiplat, then yes it would matter.

However, as I said earlier, if a game is to be relased on Xbox 360 and hyped for its graphics, the hype always fails. Always. So, I think its time to stop hyping the graphics of an unreleased game on Xbox 360. So far, it's been failure after failure after failure.

it all ways fails...um...no... Gears of war met its hype in graphics, gears of war 2 met its hype in graphics, halo 3 and odst both reached their hype in graphics. Or am I not being genuine enough?

I meant, since Killzone 2, every Xbox 360 game hyped to be the best looking console game, always ended up in failure. It's been failure after failure after failure. And I am looking at you, RAGE.
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#35 locopatho
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Halo sells more than anything on PS3 without having amazing graphics (thought they are to me...), aka MS don't need to spend millions making better graphics.
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#36 Twin-Blade
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Braid & Muramasa are the best looking games in my opinion.

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#37 designer-
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By your logic the Ps2 is the inferior console to the xbox and gamecube. Personal preferences aside thats a tough one to argue..
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#38 dragonboot
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[QUOTE="dragonboot"]

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

Ps3 is king of last place..and thats it lol..j/k

delta3074

Ah, but last place might not last too long! The king of graphics, sounds, the 3D, movies, hard core motion control, mult-player size,---this king the PS3 w,ill claim its throne sooner or later. This king will live on way after the Wii and the 360 perishes.

have you read the news, the 360 is actually selling more than at the moment than it did at release in 2005, the gap will get wider again due to a huge sales spike of the new harware and cheap as chips old hardware, the Ps3 will beat the 360 in sales, but this gen will be over before that happens, esspecially as we are probably getting close to the point of market saturation.

A salespike after a price cut, well it's obvious. Let's see how long that lasts. Don't forget, the PS3 will get cheaper, too, along with the 3D updates. When the 360 gets its price reduced, you only a lower-priced console. When the PS3 gets its priced reduced you get a lower priced console and a lower priced 3D blu-ray player. This generation is far from saturation. Yes, I agree the PS3 will ultimately beat the 360 in sales. I do believe that happens, on a world-wide basis, before this generation is over.
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I like that the wii has bad graphics:o

It forces devs to use creative new art styles instead of just realism.

Look at kirbys Epic yarn Epic micky SMG2 they all look amazing even on the wii.

I would like to see devs do that on the PS3 and 360 sure theres LBP but I hate that game.

Dont get me wrong I love my PS3 but I want them to take more risks.

5 bucks that the first sentence of this post gets taken completely out of context.

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#40 dragonboot
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By your logic the Ps2 is the inferior console to the xbox and gamecube. Personal preferences aside thats a tough one to argue..designer-
The point of this thread is to convince the 3 remaining people in this forum that the PS3 is indeed the more powerful console and Microsoft knows it, and that's why Microsoft is afraid to wage a graphics war with Sony this generation.

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I find it humorous that every debate on SW matters very little in the real world, where Halo, COD, and Twilight reign supreme.
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#42 dragonboot
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I like that the wii has bad graphics:o

It forces devs to use creative new art styles instead of just realism.

Look at kirbys Epic yarn Epic micky SMG2 they all look amazing even on the wii.

I would like to see devs do that on the PS3 and 360 sure theres LBP but I hate that game.

Dont get me wrong I love my PS3 but I want them to take more risks.

5 bucks that the first sentence of this post gets taken completely out of context.

gangstaa9
As much as I talked about graphics alot, I agree that gameplay is more important. Developers should focus on gameplay even more so than graphics. It just annoys me when the so-called lemmings don't give the PS3 the credit it deserves, the acknowledgment that the PS3 is indeed more powerful than Xbox 360, and Microsoft knows it. When it comes to graphics, people here tend to talk about biased technical explanations from both sides. But when we examine the actions of the big 3, especially those of Microsoft, we can be sure that Xbox 360 is the weaker console--that's why Microsoft is afraid to compete with Sony in graphics.
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#43 delta3074
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="dragonboot"] Ah, but last place might not last too long! The king of graphics, sounds, the 3D, movies, hard core motion control, mult-player size,---this king the PS3 w,ill claim its throne sooner or later. This king will live on way after the Wii and the 360 perishes.dragonboot
have you read the news, the 360 is actually selling more than at the moment than it did at release in 2005, the gap will get wider again due to a huge sales spike of the new harware and cheap as chips old hardware, the Ps3 will beat the 360 in sales, but this gen will be over before that happens, esspecially as we are probably getting close to the point of market saturation.

A salespike after a price cut, well it's obvious. Let's see how long that lasts. Don't forget, the PS3 will get cheaper, too, along with the 3D updates. When the 360 gets its price reduced, you only a lower-priced console. When the PS3 gets its priced reduced you get a lower priced console and a lower priced 3D blu-ray player. This generation is far from saturation. Yes, I agree the PS3 will ultimately beat the 360 in sales. I do believe that happens, on a world-wide basis, before this generation is over.

you are living in a dream world mate, pure and simple, you are relying on a seriously expensive feature to sell harware, a lot of people still have not made the jump to Hi-def TV's, i doubt those people are willing to fork out again for a new TV for 3D, i have seen 3D fail several times in my lifetime, blu-ray players are now a lot cheaper than the Ps3, and according to the UK the 360 slim is selling more and faster than the Ps3 slim did during it's sales spike, the Ps3 may be king in graphics on HD consoles but the 360 is the king of slaes and software attach rate, and learn economics, as far as hardware we are definitly nearing a point of market saturation.
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#44 Twin-Blade
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[QUOTE="designer-"]By your logic the Ps2 is the inferior console to the xbox and gamecube. Personal preferences aside thats a tough one to argue..dragonboot
The point of this thread is to convince the 3 people in this forum that the PS3 is indeed the more powerful console and Microsoft knows it, and that's why Microsoft is afraid to wage a graphics war with Sony this generation.

If that is the point of this thread, then this thread is pretty pointless. Who cares if the PS3 is the more powerful console? A game can look as good as Crysis, but if the game play isn't top notch, it's an average game. I don't have a clue if the PS3 is more powerful or not, nor do I care when the 360 is releasing awesome games, but if I say yes will this thread end?

For what it's worth, I use a SDTV & probably wouldn't use 3D for gaming if it was given to me for free.

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#46 designer-
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[QUOTE="dragonboot"][QUOTE="designer-"]By your logic the Ps2 is the inferior console to the xbox and gamecube. Personal preferences aside thats a tough one to argue..Twin-Blade

The point of this thread is to convince the 3 people in this forum that the PS3 is indeed the more powerful console and Microsoft knows it, and that's why Microsoft is afraid to wage a graphics war with Sony this generation.

If that is the point of this thread, then this thread is pretty pointless. Who cares if the PS3 is the more powerful console? A game can look as good as Crysis, but if the game play isn't top notch, it's an average game.

Nothing else really needs to be said.

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#48 mysterj
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[QUOTE="dragonboot"][QUOTE="delta3074"]have you read the news, the 360 is actually selling more than at the moment than it did at release in 2005, the gap will get wider again due to a huge sales spike of the new harware and cheap as chips old hardware, the Ps3 will beat the 360 in sales, but this gen will be over before that happens, esspecially as we are probably getting close to the point of market saturation.delta3074
A salespike after a price cut, well it's obvious. Let's see how long that lasts. Don't forget, the PS3 will get cheaper, too, along with the 3D updates. When the 360 gets its price reduced, you only a lower-priced console. When the PS3 gets its priced reduced you get a lower priced console and a lower priced 3D blu-ray player. This generation is far from saturation. Yes, I agree the PS3 will ultimately beat the 360 in sales. I do believe that happens, on a world-wide basis, before this generation is over.

you are living in a dream world mate, pure and simple, you are relying on a seriously expensive feature to sell harware, a lot of people still have not made the jump to Hi-def TV's, i doubt those people are willing to fork out again for a new TV for 3D, i have seen 3D fail several times in my lifetime, blu-ray players are now a lot cheaper than the Ps3, and according to the UK the 360 slim is selling more and faster than the Ps3 slim did during it's sales spike, the Ps3 may be king in graphics on HD consoles but the 360 is the king of slaes and software attach rate, and learn economics, as far as hardware we are definitly nearing a point of market saturation.

UK=the world right? Ur source don't prove ur point.
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#49 dragonboot
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[QUOTE="dragonboot"][QUOTE="delta3074"]have you read the news, the 360 is actually selling more than at the moment than it did at release in 2005, the gap will get wider again due to a huge sales spike of the new harware and cheap as chips old hardware, the Ps3 will beat the 360 in sales, but this gen will be over before that happens, esspecially as we are probably getting close to the point of market saturation.delta3074
A salespike after a price cut, well it's obvious. Let's see how long that lasts. Don't forget, the PS3 will get cheaper, too, along with the 3D updates. When the 360 gets its price reduced, you only a lower-priced console. When the PS3 gets its priced reduced you get a lower priced console and a lower priced 3D blu-ray player. This generation is far from saturation. Yes, I agree the PS3 will ultimately beat the 360 in sales. I do believe that happens, on a world-wide basis, before this generation is over.

you are living in a dream world mate, pure and simple, you are relying on a seriously expensive feature to sell harware, a lot of people still have not made the jump to Hi-def TV's, i doubt those people are willing to fork out again for a new TV for 3D, i have seen 3D fail several times in my lifetime, blu-ray players are now a lot cheaper than the Ps3, and according to the UK the 360 slim is selling more and faster than the Ps3 slim did during it's sales spike, the Ps3 may be king in graphics on HD consoles but the 360 is the king of slaes and software attach rate, and learn economics, as far as hardware we are definitly nearing a point of market saturation.

I am living in the real world, a world where at first few people owned HD TVs and Blu-ray players, and now there are plenty. This real world I live now have only few people owning 3D TVs and 3D blu-ray players. Soon enough, this real world will have plenty of people with 3d Blu-ray players and 3D TVs. My, my, my. You cite the UK, a tiny slice of the overall market to hype the 360 slim's sales. Also, don't forget, most of the sales increase came from the reduced prices of the previous SKUs! Market saturation is when most the buyers have already gotten one. Most homes still don't have an HD console or a Blu-ray player. Therefore, we are far from saturation, especially from the PS3's point of view.
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#50 Deathtransit
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[QUOTE="Deathtransit"]I find it humorous that every debate on SW matters very little in the real world, where Halo, COD, and Twilight reign supreme.dragonboot
The debates in SW do matter very little, yet the mods in this forum take their jobs a little too seriously. There is way too much moderation going on here. People are afraid to inject any passion into the debates. Without passion, debates become boring.

Haha, you're goona get banned! But, you gotta give the mods slack, they do it for free, and they keep some of the mentally ill fanboys from spamming and utterly ruining SW. This is their domain, not yours. Pay respect. And sorry, if you're truly passionate about SW, something's wrong with you.