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#1 Haberman_13
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Playing Skyrim on my 30" at 2560x1600 is glorious, especially now with some of the graphic enhancing mods coming out. So ... in order to attempt playing this game like consolites, albeit with vastly superior visuals, I decided to hook it up to my TV and try it with a controller. LOL How do you guys game with a controller? It is an abomination of slow turning, immersion killing, hotkey lacking and frankly awful method of controlling a game. How do you do it consolites? Don't you get frustrated driving a man-tank around in every game? The loss of controller over the most important input, the ability to look around, is totally broken with a controller. Next gen consoles need to support mouse, consolites have no clue what they are missing out on. Concession: racing games reign supreme with a controller.
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#2 TrapJak
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Same way people can play with the abyssmal keyboard. It's not that hard.

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#3 rasengan2552
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Seriously ??? How long have you been asking this question since the NES came out ? If you're still not used to it by now then just give up and stick to your desktop gaming.
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#4 Haberman_13
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Same way people can play with the abyssmal keyboard. It's not that hard.

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Keyboards are amazing for gaming (well, a Nostromo n52te, which is kind of a keyboard. You didn't answer my question however, how do you deal with the tank simulator loss of control? Yes, we all know PC is the superior platform, but for all the wrong reasons. Console control methods are unusable for an enthusiast gamer.
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#5 Haberman_13
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Seriously ??? How long have you been asking this question since the NES came out ? If you're still not used to it by now then just give up and stick to your desktop gaming.rasengan2552
I can play competitvely with a controller, because everyone else is using the same limited method. That is why consolites never reach the skill level of PC gamers.
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#6 TrapJak
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[QUOTE="TrapJak"]

Same way people can play with the abyssmal keyboard. It's not that hard.

Haberman_13

Keyboards are amazing for gaming (well, a Nostromo n52te, which is kind of a keyboard. You didn't answer my question however, how do you deal with the tank simulator loss of control?

There are 2 analogs, 4 buttons, 4 triggers , and a start button. Not much to control a "tank", when you can easily hold 2 buttons to do it.

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#7 ZombieKiller7
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If you want to couch game get a console.

The control settings and such are specifically made for a controller.

If you tried it and didn't like it, well that's just you, my games feel great to me.

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#8 lundy86_4
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  1. Increase sensitivity
  2. ??????
  3. Profit
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#9 Haberman_13
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[QUOTE="Haberman_13"][QUOTE="TrapJak"]

Same way people can play with the abyssmal keyboard. It's not that hard.

TrapJak

Keyboards are amazing for gaming (well, a Nostromo n52te, which is kind of a keyboard. You didn't answer my question however, how do you deal with the tank simulator loss of control?

There are 2 analogs, 4 buttons, 4 triggers , and a start button. Not much to control a "tank", when you can easily hold 2 buttons to do it.

You are missing my analogy. "Tank simulator" - the 'looking' around with a contoller is more akin to driving a tank than controlling a human being.
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#10 Haberman_13
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If you want to couch game get a console.

The control settings and such are specifically made for a controller.

If you tried it and didn't like it, well that's just you, my games feel great to me.

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I can couch game with my PC, and have improved visuals / framerate / mods. That isn't my point. My point is the so called 'gaming' console uses an abysmal method for controlling the avatar. Making all games feel like a tank simulator.
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#11 lundy86_4
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Isn't Haberman the dud who always had the Clint Eastwood avatar?

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Oh look, someone who is terrible at using a controller. You know how they sell keyboards for disabled people? Pretty sure they have controllers like that too so you don't have to stress your weak little hands playing games.

How you can play Skyrim with broken keybindings like those though, I don't even know. Honestly, I just use motioninjoy for half the games I play on PC (including any game with flying and Elder Scrolls).

But hey, if some people want to play a game where they have to stretch their hands all over just to fly a chopper or go to the magic menu, that's your problem. Plus I'm sure those special needs keyboards don't require as much stretching, right? :cool:

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#13 SPYDER0416
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Isn't Haberman the dud who always had the Clint Eastwood avatar?

lundy86_4

If he is, then he is really terrible at ban dodging to get recognized so easily.

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#14 TrapJak
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[QUOTE="TrapJak"]

[QUOTE="Haberman_13"] Keyboards are amazing for gaming (well, a Nostromo n52te, which is kind of a keyboard. You didn't answer my question however, how do you deal with the tank simulator loss of control?Haberman_13

There are 2 analogs, 4 buttons, 4 triggers , and a start button. Not much to control a "tank", when you can easily hold 2 buttons to do it.

You are missing my analogy. "Tank simulator" - the 'looking' around with a contoller is more akin to driving a tank than controlling a human being.

Turn the sensitvity up then. It's not the same as the mouse, but at least it's more comfortable than curling your fingers closely to move someone. In my opinion, of course.

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#15 madsnakehhh
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Isn't Haberman the dud who always had the Clint Eastwood avatar?

lundy86_4

It defnitely seems like a thread by him.

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[QUOTE="rasengan2552"]Seriously ??? How long have you been asking this question since the NES came out ? If you're still not used to it by now then just give up and stick to your desktop gaming.Haberman_13
I can play competitvely with a controller, because everyone else is using the same limited method. That is why consolites never reach the skill level of PC gamers.

Doesn't sound that way judging by your OP ... sounds like your an old cluts who can't even handle a game pad which is designed with the satisfactory of a child playing in mind.
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Yes because every game requires extremely fast paced, twitch movment to be immersive...

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#18 Riverwolf007
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and all pc games control exactly like spreadsheets, what your point?

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#19 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Isn't Haberman the dud who always had the Clint Eastwood avatar?

SPYDER0416

If he is, then he is really terrible at ban dodging to get recognized so easily.

Yeah, I was right

lol.

He's either terrible at thinking up new names, or just isn't trying to be discreet :P

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#20 balfe1990
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Holy sh*t, you're back.

You were banned weren't you?

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#21 Haberman_13
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I have a relative who used to post here. But to honor her memory, I found a Clint avatar pic. Back to topic: Yes, control sensitivity is key for immersion. I am a pro with a controller, however, the skill limit is capped much like playing softball. You don't NEED a mouse for immersion, unless you have gamed with a mouse, then you realize just how bad a controller is.
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#22 balfe1990
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I have a relative who used to post here. But to honor her memory, I found a Clint avatar pic. Back to topic: Yes, control sensitivity is key for immersion. I am a pro with a controller, however, the skill limit is capped much like playing softball. You don't NEED a mouse for immersion, unless you have gamed with a mouse, then you realize just how bad a controller is.Haberman_13

Oh, I see douchebaggery runs in the family...

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#23 Haberman_13
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[QUOTE="Haberman_13"]I have a relative who used to post here. But to honor her memory, I found a Clint avatar pic. Back to topic: Yes, control sensitivity is key for immersion. I am a pro with a controller, however, the skill limit is capped much like playing softball. You don't NEED a mouse for immersion, unless you have gamed with a mouse, then you realize just how bad a controller is.balfe1990

Oh, I see douchebaggery runs in the family...

Really? That is your response to my perfectly analytical topic? I'm not insulting anyone. Just wondering how people deal with slow controller 'look'.
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#24 lundy86_4
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Well, now we know TC is ban-dodging. Fun times.

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#25 Haberman_13
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Well, now we know TC is ban-dodging. Fun times.

lundy86_4
My relative who was banned from here, was banned at least a year ago. I'm not that person.
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#26 TrapJak
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I have a relative who used to post here. But to honor her memory, I found a Clint avatar pic. Back to topic: Yes, control sensitivity is key for immersion. I am a pro with a controller, however, the skill limit is capped much like playing softball. You don't NEED a mouse for immersion, unless you have gamed with a mouse, then you realize just how bad a controller is.Haberman_13
The lies man...the lies...

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[QUOTE="Haberman_13"]I have a relative who used to post here. But to honor her memory, I found a Clint avatar pic. Back to topic: Yes, control sensitivity is key for immersion. I am a pro with a controller, however, the skill limit is capped much like playing softball. You don't NEED a mouse for immersion, unless you have gamed with a mouse, then you realize just how bad a controller is.balfe1990

Oh, I see douchebaggery runs in the family...

Honestly, I don't think two annoying fanboys this bad can exist in the same family (at least, not this bad), and I don't think I'd be so unoriginal I just take the exact same name and picture as "honoring the memory of a relative".

Just, terrible ban dodging right here folks, with a terrible explanation to boot. I mean, there was a reason he was gone, and I'm guessing he ignored it to go back to doing what made him gone.

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#28 lowe0
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Next gen consoles need to support mouse, consolites have no clue what they are missing out on.Haberman_13
I've played plenty of FPS with a mouse. I'm well aware of what I'm "missing" out on, which is to say, I really don't find myself missing it.
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#29 lundy86_4
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My relative who was banned from here, was banned at least a year ago. I'm not that person.Haberman_13

Your posting habits are identical. Yes, you are the same person.

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#30 SPYDER0416
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[QUOTE="balfe1990"]

[QUOTE="Haberman_13"]I have a relative who used to post here. But to honor her memory, I found a Clint avatar pic. Back to topic: Yes, control sensitivity is key for immersion. I am a pro with a controller, however, the skill limit is capped much like playing softball. You don't NEED a mouse for immersion, unless you have gamed with a mouse, then you realize just how bad a controller is.Haberman_13

Oh, I see douchebaggery runs in the family...

Really? That is your response to my perfectly analytical topic? I'm not insulting anyone. Just wondering how people deal with slow controller 'look'.

Maybe you should ask the millions upon millions of people who aren't mentally or physically handicapped and can handle a controller? Or the various manticores here that can use a controller just fine after playing on PC?

Ugh, why am I even continuing this atrocity of a thread. I thought ban dodging was something people jumped on faster.

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#31 cain006
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Yes because every game requires extremely fast paced, twitch movment to be immersive...

Wasdie

Finally, someone reasonable!

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#32 Haberman_13
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[QUOTE="Haberman_13"] My relative who was banned from here, was banned at least a year ago. I'm not that person.lundy86_4

Your posting habits are identical. Yes, you are the same person.

Sorry, you are wrong. Perhaps I shouldn't have chosen the avatar she told me she used....
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#33 Haberman_13
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Yes because every game requires extremely fast paced, twitch movment to be immersive...

cain006

Finally, someone reasonable!

Twitch movement isn't necessary. Not having a sludgy slow rotation however is.
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#34 balfe1990
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Haberman_13"] My relative who was banned from here, was banned at least a year ago. I'm not that person.Haberman_13

Your posting habits are identical. Yes, you are the same person.

Sorry, you are wrong. Perhaps I shouldn't have chosen the avatar she told me she used....

I seem to remember your female relative had a wife?

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[QUOTE="balfe1990"]

[QUOTE="Haberman_13"]I have a relative who used to post here. But to honor her memory, I found a Clint avatar pic. Back to topic: Yes, control sensitivity is key for immersion. I am a pro with a controller, however, the skill limit is capped much like playing softball. You don't NEED a mouse for immersion, unless you have gamed with a mouse, then you realize just how bad a controller is.SPYDER0416

Oh, I see douchebaggery runs in the family...

Honestly, I don't think two annoying fanboys this bad can exist in the same family (at least, not this bad), and I don't think I'd be so unoriginal I just take the exact same name and picture as "honoring the memory of a relative".

Just, terrible ban dodging right here folks, with a terrible explanation to boot. I mean, there was a reason he was gone, and I'm guessing he ignored it to go back to doing what made him gone.

maybe they are conjoined twins. didja think about that possibility?

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#36 lundy86_4
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Sorry, you are wrong. Perhaps I shouldn't have chosen the avatar she told me she used....Haberman_13

Nope, i'm not wrong.

She only told you she used it, and you found the exact same one? Furthermore, you chose the exact same name, but added an _.

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#37 Haberman_13
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[QUOTE="Haberman_13"][QUOTE="balfe1990"]

Oh, I see douchebaggery runs in the family...

SPYDER0416

Really? That is your response to my perfectly analytical topic? I'm not insulting anyone. Just wondering how people deal with slow controller 'look'.

Maybe you should ask the millions upon millions of people who aren't mentally or physically handicapped and can handle a controller? Or the various manticores here that can use a controller just fine after playing on PC?

Ugh, why am I even continuing this atrocity of a thread. I thought ban dodging was something people jumped on faster.

Hilarious. This supposed ban-dodge didn't happen. Also, I am a PRO with a controller, don't get me wrong. I'm just saying, compared to a mouse / KB its abysmall in comparison, and is extremely bad for gaming.
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IR aiming is superior to mouse for aiming and more immersive too boot. How does that make you feel? Oh and the Wii-U controller is going to rock for RTS games. As good as mouse and keyboard if not better. We'll have to see, eh? How does THAT make you feel? I love playing with mouse and keyboard (Mount and Blade Warband FTW!) but it isn't the perfect set-up for gaming and neither is DA. We have a long way to go. Good thing the companies are advancing controllers every few gen, especially Nintendo.
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#39 rasengan2552
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Haberman_13"] My relative who was banned from here, was banned at least a year ago. I'm not that person.Haberman_13

Your posting habits are identical. Yes, you are the same person.

Sorry, you are wrong. Perhaps I shouldn't have chosen the avatar she told me she used....

You can do better than this man ... this is just horrible lol.
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#40 DireOwl
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[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Isn't Haberman the dud who always had the Clint Eastwood avatar?

lundy86_4

If he is, then he is really terrible at ban dodging to get recognized so easily.

Yeah, I was right

lol.

He's either terrible at thinking up new names, or just isn't trying to be discreet :P

lulz Worst. Ninja. Ever.

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PC gamers should love console gaming. It's so hardcore.

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[QUOTE="cain006"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Yes because every game requires extremely fast paced, twitch movment to be immersive...

Haberman_13

Finally, someone reasonable!

Twitch movement isn't necessary. Not having a sludgy slow rotation however is.

I only game with mouse and keyboard now and I can understand what you mean. However, with practice playing with the controller is just as easy. Now maybe you won't be able to get quite the same precision as a mouse, but it is possible to play a FPS with a controller and still be good at it (even without the aids such as auto aim). I use to play goldeneye with a controller (N64) with the just the same skill as playing half life with a mouse. It just takes practice. Having said that, putting the two against each other and the M/KB will always win (given the user is proficient).

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#44 clone01
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Isn't Haberman the dud who always had the Clint Eastwood avatar?

lundy86_4
Yep, he was also ehussein1379
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#45 Haberman_13
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[QUOTE="Haberman_13"][QUOTE="cain006"]Finally, someone reasonable!

menes777

Twitch movement isn't necessary. Not having a sludgy slow rotation however is.

I only game with mouse and keyboard now and I can understand what you mean. However, with practice playing with the controller is just as easy. Now maybe you won't be able to get quite the same precision as a mouse, but it is possible to play a FPS with a controller and still be good at it (even without the aids such as auto aim). I use to play goldeneye with a controller (N64) with the just the same skill as playing half life with a mouse. It just takes practice. Having said that, putting the two against each other and the M/KB will always win (given the user is proficient).

I appreciate the response. However I think you are wrong. It's a handicap thing, yes you can 'perfect' controller movement to a point, but you can never get past the tank-simulator threshold. In the end the controller simply isn't meant to be an immersive gaming device, it merely 'gets the job done' just like the consoles themselves.
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#46 SPYDER0416
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

If he is, then he is really terrible at ban dodging to get recognized so easily.

DireOwl

Yeah, I was right

lol.

He's either terrible at thinking up new names, or just isn't trying to be discreet :P

lulz Worst. Ninja. Ever.

I like how in that shining masterpiece of a thread, he says the PC version of BC2 doesn't have health regeneration, has bullet drop (when apparently consoles don't), and a bunch of other hidden features consoles don't have.

Its hilarious, because it makes him seem ignorant not just with consoles, but with PC's too! I mean, I've played both versions, and its hilarious that he could be so pro PC gaming, then after all that time apparently playing BC2 to know the differences, he doesn't realize there is health regeneration on PC and everything other then the 8 extra players is exactly the same.

Its like someone saying Uncharted is better then Gears because it doesn't have a cover system. Either they are really bad at trolling, or they're really bad at Uncharted (and never realized it had a cover system).

Anyways this thread gave me a good laugh, so its good for that at least. It also proves that Elitist quote wrong, the one that says "people who know things are called elitist". Which goes to show, some elitists are probably a few IQ points short of breaking average (and btw, I kind of hate directly insulting someone, but these new rules are so nice for making a nice quip against a fanboy with fear ofr moderation).

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#47 lundy86_4
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lulz Worst. Ninja. Ever.

DireOwl

Lol, definitely.

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This thread is now about Skyrim:

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#48 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Isn't Haberman the dud who always had the Clint Eastwood avatar?

clone01

Yep, he was also ehussein1379

Oh snap! I thought he was as well, but I wasn't too sure.

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#49 Haberman_13
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[QUOTE="DireOwl"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

lol.

He's either terrible at thinking up new names, or just isn't trying to be discreet :P

SPYDER0416

lulz Worst. Ninja. Ever.

I like how in that shining masterpiece of a thread, he says the PC version of BC2 doesn't have health regeneration, has bullet drop (when apparently consoles don't), and a bunch of other hidden features consoles don't have.

Its hilarious, because it makes him seem ignorant not just with consoles, but with PC's too! I mean, I've played both versions, and its hilarious that he could be so pro PC gaming, then after all that time apparently playing BC2 to know the differences, he doesn't realize there is health regeneration on PC and everything other then the 8 extra players is exactly the same.

Its like someone saying Uncharted is better then Gears because it doesn't have a cover system. Either they are really bad at trolling, or they're really bad at Uncharted (and never realized it had a cover system).

Anyways this thread gave me a good laugh, so its good for that at least. It also proves that Elitist quote wrong, the one that says "people who know things are called elitist". Which goes to show, some elitists are probably a few IQ points short of breaking average (and btw, I kind of hate directly insulting someone, but these new rules are so nice for making a nice quip against a fanboy with fear ofr moderation).

So, I'm dumb is your response? In other words you have no real data / argument. BC2 on consoles has auto-aim, minimal bullet drop, health regen (on PC that is a server option). Sometimes you just want to play softball, I get it. However, people that desire true competition play BC2/BF3/FPS on PC. Consoles were developed with a skill ceiling in mind that allows all age groups to compete.
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#50 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="Haberman_13"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Your posting habits are identical. Yes, you are the same person.

balfe1990

Sorry, you are wrong. Perhaps I shouldn't have chosen the avatar she told me she used....

I seem to remember your female relative had a wife?

Indeed.

She seemed to have a wife :P