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#1 imprezawrx500
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These current consoles have lost most of the point that consoles used to have. You don't play a game for a few months then you have to update the dam thing before you can play. Consoles used to be great plug and play but now it put this in download patch and play.

Why get a console over pcs now all they offer is is a simplified pc experence?

Consoles used to be so much better when they released full games and you could count on putting the disk in and playing the game instead of waiting for the stupid thing to update.

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These current consoles have lost most of the point that consoles used to have. You don't play a game for a few months then you have to update the dam thing before you can play. Consoles used to be great plug and play but now it put this in download patch and play.

Why get a console over pcs now all they offer is is a simplified pc experence?

Consoles used to be so much better when they released full games and you could count on putting the disk in and playing the game instead of waiting for the stupid thing to update.

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I agree to an extent. I do like the ability that consoles can now update to current versions like the PC always has been able to do.

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#3 OPuniverse
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consoles back then are mainly for singleplayer experience, but now online community has grow. There are alot more multiplayer games now than before. Sometimes, games needed to be patch because people used exploits to their advantages.

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#4 kweeni
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if the update fixes stuff in the game, why complain? and it's not like they come out every month, and most only take a few minutes(or less) to download and install. times change dude, nothing stays the same and i thought the point of consoles was to have a controller, sit in your lazy chair, and play on your tv screen?
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#5 Yandere
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The majority if console games I own don't have updates, but that might be because of the lack of online.

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um except even back in the day quite a few games had problems that you could never change because didn't you have the option.

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#7 HenriH-42
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That is why one of my friends, who has gamed on consoles since the NES days, stopped console gaming.

He now mostly plays old games and I've gotten him slightly into PC gaming too. :D

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ps3 is the only real console.
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consoles back then are mainly for singleplayer experience, but now online community has grow. There are alot more multiplayer games now than before. Sometimes, games needed to be patch because people used exploits to their advantages.

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no they had something called SPLIT SCREEN which has also died making consoles pretty much the same thing as pcs now. try having your mates over and playing grid with only one system, oh your going to need 4 ps3s/x360s just to do that. consoles need to go back to the sp and split screen being the main focus. online should be an afterthough.
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[QUOTE="kweeni"]if the update fixes stuff in the game, why complain? and it's not like they come out every month, and most only take a few minutes(or less) to download and install. times change dude, nothing stays the same and i thought the point of consoles was to have a controller, sit in your lazy chair, and play on your tv screen?

you have been able to do that for years with pc and now 90% of pc games play just like a xbox game with the 360 controller.
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#11 tester962
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ps3 is the only real console.sethman410

I like the PS3. I plan on owning one, but to say its the only real console is just a statement based in absolutely no facts. Is it a good console yes. Is it the only real console, definetly not.

Sethman I still think of this every time I see you post

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[QUOTE="OPuniverse"]

consoles back then are mainly for singleplayer experience, but now online community has grow. There are alot more multiplayer games now than before. Sometimes, games needed to be patch because people used exploits to their advantages.

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no they had something called SPLIT SCREEN which has also died making consoles pretty much the same thing as pcs now. try having your mates over and playing grid with only one system, oh your going to need 4 ps3s/x360s just to do that. consoles need to go back to the sp and split screen being the main focus. online should be an afterthough.

have u ever touched a PS3?
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These current consoles have lost most of the point that consoles used to have. You don't play a game for a few months then you have to update the dam thing before you can play. Consoles used to be great plug and play but now it put this in download patch and play.

Why get a console over pcs now all they offer is is a simplified pc experence?

Consoles used to be so much better when they released full games and you could count on putting the disk in and playing the game instead of waiting for the stupid thing to update.

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[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]

These current consoles have lost most of the point that consoles used to have. You don't play a game for a few months then you have to update the dam thing before you can play. Consoles used to be great plug and play but now it put this in download patch and play.

Why get a console over pcs now all they offer is is a simplified pc experence?

Consoles used to be so much better when they released full games and you could count on putting the disk in and playing the game instead of waiting for the stupid thing to update.

tester962

I agree to an extent. I do like the ability that consoles can now update to current versions like the PC always has been able to do.

Yea me to. Consoles offer more for there buck now-a-days, which i don't see as a bad thing. If you don't like new features then you should probably stay away, i mean - consoles can do more than game, XBL has introduced impressive features that make other companies run for dear life. All of them can play DVD's, PS3 can play Blu-ray! All of this should be a warm welcome. Who wants a console that just plays games, yea maybe online but then only have a friends list and the ability to talk to only those that are in the same game as you? PC gives a fine example of how a console should be. It's not as expensive as a PC (for long term costs, lets say 10 years) but it offers some similar features which make the experience great. Do you not enjoy DLC? The ability to store music, photos and movies? Being able to cross-game chat with other people? To be able to download all those great PS1 games that you played so long ago? It's all good. It's not as though you have to do all that stuff anyways, though i doubt you don't do them. *Sorry if i didn't say much about the Wii, it's one console that i haven't had much time with.*
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Consoles used to be so much better when they released full games and you could count on putting the disk in and playing the game instead of waiting for the stupid thing to update.

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You mean when a game could ship with a glitch that could ruin your save? Or allow cheating? Those were better days? Anyways console game updates usually only take a few seconds so I really don't see what the big deal is. It isn't like a lot of pc games that expect you to check the company website for the latest updates.

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#16 Twig978
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I think that the benefits out weight the down side. It's like smartphones and computers. They use to be much simpler and easier to use, but as time went on they became a more advance but more complicated. I doubt any (sane) person would dump their OS for Windows DOS or their smarphone for a black and white color screen bar phone.
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[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="OPuniverse"]

consoles back then are mainly for singleplayer experience, but now online community has grow. There are alot more multiplayer games now than before. Sometimes, games needed to be patch because people used exploits to their advantages.

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no they had something called SPLIT SCREEN which has also died making consoles pretty much the same thing as pcs now. try having your mates over and playing grid with only one system, oh your going to need 4 ps3s/x360s just to do that. consoles need to go back to the sp and split screen being the main focus. online should be an afterthough.

have u ever touched a PS3?

yeah, my point is last gen any game that had mp would have split screen, these days you have to look at the box just to make sure there is split screen and 9 times out of 10 the game doesn't have it. killzone 2 no, dirt 2 no, grid no, red faction no far cry 2 no etc there are now few game that have split screen since they all focus around online.
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These current consoles have lost most of the point that consoles used to have. You don't play a game for a few months then you have to update the dam thing before you can play. Consoles used to be great plug and play but now it put this in download patch and play.

Why get a console over pcs now all they offer is is a simplified pc experence?

Consoles used to be so much better when they released full games and you could count on putting the disk in and playing the game instead of waiting for the stupid thing to update.

imprezawrx500

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you don't have your console connected to the internet by my knowledge you can still play every game's SP without any problems. Just plug and play as you call it. This makes your point, what's te word, moot.

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I dont play online so i dont care. But updates are a good thing, and dont like them, disconnect them from the internet:?
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#20 XxChicagoTedXx
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The updates only take a couple of seconds, and if you don't want to wait you don't have to get them. As for the splitscreen issue, most people I know hate it so my friends from work and I all play online together and talk together in a party that way more than four people can play together and I don't have to look at 1/4 of the TV screen I am used to. For the people who say online should be an after thought, so many games these are all about multiplayer, I don't like them but CoD, Halo, and any other shooter really are played just because of MP. The reason they are becoming more like PCs is because that consoles were never able to do what they can do.They will become more and more like PCs as the hardware gets more advanced. Consoles are not really just about gaming anymore, haven't you ever heard MS call the xbox a home entertainment console? It will only get worse. Things evolve and you should too.

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These current consoles have lost most of the point that consoles used to have. You don't play a game for a few months then you have to update the dam thing before you can play. Consoles used to be great plug and play but now it put this in download patch and play. Haven't had to do that for any of the games I've played. :D

Why get a console over pcs now all they offer is is a simplified pc experence? Exclusives still exist, don't they?

Consoles used to be so much better when they released full games and you could count on putting the disk in and playing the game instead of waiting for the stupid thing to update. Disconnect your consoles from the Internet. Problem solved. Of course, that doesn't solve any of the problems download 'n play could solve, especially if games are getting larger, dev costs are rising, and game testers aren't getting the time needed to find bugs, glitches, exploits, etc. Hundreds of thousands of players are much more effective at testing for developers. Anything the mob finds wrong, the majority will be satisfied by a patch-in.

As for the full games comment, yes, DLC sucks 99% of the time. Their mere existence makes it seem like content was witheld from games just to make more money. It's rise just happened to co-incide with the rise of online for consoles.

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PC gaming is too much of a hassle to me. I prefer the simplicity of the console. Besides, some of the games I want are not on PC.
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Blame the Xbox for that.
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#24 XxChicagoTedXx
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Blame the Xbox for that.Salt_The_Fries

It is made by MS so of course it is going to be like a PC. I love that, the only reason I get consoles are for exclusives.

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Blame the Xbox for that.Salt_The_Fries
So you like your games unpatched and broken You it only takes a few seconds at the beginning to update:?
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I think updates are useful, it's a good way of fixing bugs or problems that gamers like us tend to report about. Also it can provide us with updates like trophies and other neat stuff. As well for online only games like SOCOM, it only seems natural to keep updating it. While it is a pain to keep updating, it's not like it even takes long. I just leave it to update, go eat something, come back and it's done.
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#27 BZSIN
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Well, things evolve. That's like saying modern cars aren't real cars because of them having things like CD players. The point of a car is to get from point A to point B, not to listen to music. There's nothing wrong with adding features that enhance the experience.

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When Jet set Radio came out in Japan in 1999 they had to release 2 versions of the game becuase the first version was GLITCHY. Nowadays you just DL the patch in seconds. You'd rather buy 2 versions of a game or dl a patch?
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These current consoles have lost most of the point that consoles used to have. You don't play a game for a few months then you have to update the dam thing before you can play. Consoles used to be great plug and play but now it put this in download patch and play.

Why get a console over pcs now all they offer is is a simplified pc experence?

Consoles used to be so much better when they released full games and you could count on putting the disk in and playing the game instead of waiting for the stupid thing to update.

imprezawrx500

I tend to agree. I liked the old Atari 2600, Genesis, SNES where you could pop in the cartridge and start playing, no menu's and no updates. Now consoles are so over burdened with non-gaming related functions that they've lost their "game console" concept and are more of an "entertainment console".

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Agreed they now are like mini pcs and I think they really have lost what seperated them to begin with.

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[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]

These current consoles have lost most of the point that consoles used to have. You don't play a game for a few months then you have to update the dam thing before you can play. Consoles used to be great plug and play but now it put this in download patch and play.

Why get a console over pcs now all they offer is is a simplified pc experence?

Consoles used to be so much better when they released full games and you could count on putting the disk in and playing the game instead of waiting for the stupid thing to update.

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I tend to agree. I liked the old Atari 2600, Genesis, SNES where you could pop in the cartridge and start playing, no menu's and no updates. Now consoles are so over burdened with non-gaming related functions that they've lost their "game console" concept and are more of an "entertainment console".

So not being able to quit to the menu in game was cool because it meant 'less menus'
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[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]

These current consoles have lost most of the point that consoles used to have. You don't play a game for a few months then you have to update the dam thing before you can play. Consoles used to be great plug and play but now it put this in download patch and play.

Why get a console over pcs now all they offer is is a simplified pc experence?

Consoles used to be so much better when they released full games and you could count on putting the disk in and playing the game instead of waiting for the stupid thing to update.

I sooooo agree with this. I remember when I first saw a 360 and PS3 menu i was like "WTF!" What with this stupid dashboard etc etc I miss plug and play too, but somehow, I can't seem to deny that the whole update, internet, multimedia thing is a good step into the future. We just have to say goodbye to plug and play.
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These current consoles have lost most of the point that consoles used to have. You don't play a game for a few months then you have to update the dam thing before you can play. Consoles used to be great plug and play but now it put this in download patch and play.

Why get a console over pcs now all they offer is is a simplified pc experence?

Consoles used to be so much better when they released full games and you could count on putting the disk in and playing the game instead of waiting for the stupid thing to update.

imprezawrx500

honestly how long does it take to patch a game on 360? + you only get patch when you are connected to XBL. consoles are still consoles for me.

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[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]

These current consoles have lost most of the point that consoles used to have. You don't play a game for a few months then you have to update the dam thing before you can play. Consoles used to be great plug and play but now it put this in download patch and play.

Why get a console over pcs now all they offer is is a simplified pc experence?

Consoles used to be so much better when they released full games and you could count on putting the disk in and playing the game instead of waiting for the stupid thing to update.

tirralirra

I sooooo agree with this. I remember when I first saw a 360 and PS3 menu i was like "WTF!" What with this stupid dashboard etc etc I miss plug and play too, but somehow, I can't seem to deny that the whole update, internet, multimedia thing is a good step into the future. We just have to say goodbye to plug and play.

its still plug and play, infact now its even faster on 360, you turn the console on and you have the option to run the disc or quickly choose from many arcade games you have downloaded, that means you dont have to keep changing cartrigdes and discs

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[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

[QUOTE="tirralirra"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]

These current consoles have lost most of the point that consoles used to have. You don't play a game for a few months then you have to update the dam thing before you can play. Consoles used to be great plug and play but now it put this in download patch and play.

Why get a console over pcs now all they offer is is a simplified pc experence?

Consoles used to be so much better when they released full games and you could count on putting the disk in and playing the game instead of waiting for the stupid thing to update.

I sooooo agree with this. I remember when I first saw a 360 and PS3 menu i was like "WTF!" What with this stupid dashboard etc etc I miss plug and play too, but somehow, I can't seem to deny that the whole update, internet, multimedia thing is a good step into the future. We just have to say goodbye to plug and play.

its still plug and play, infact now its even faster on 360, you turn the console on and you have the option to run the disc or quickly choose from many arcade games you have downloaded, that means you dont have to keep changing cartrigdes and discs

Last time i checked, the 360 was definitely behind in its loading of games compared to PS3. even though the software on the 360 is far better. I mean, sure, loading up games is still just as fast, still not as fast as cartridges on NES SNES N64. I think what TC is saying is that consoles now, have lost their console 'feel'. And i agree. Now, we are just as excited about the console tech, than we are about the games.
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[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]

These current consoles have lost most of the point that consoles used to have. You don't play a game for a few months then you have to update the dam thing before you can play. Consoles used to be great plug and play but now it put this in download patch and play.

Why get a console over pcs now all they offer is is a simplified pc experence?

Consoles used to be so much better when they released full games and you could count on putting the disk in and playing the game instead of waiting for the stupid thing to update.

the line is certainly blurring, but i still think that consoles are the overall simpler experience.
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Blame the Xbox for that.Salt_The_Fries
um why would we blame the 360 for this? or the xbox for that matter.
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You're right, at this point consoles pretty much do everything a PC does just at a worse standard.
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These current consoles have lost most of the point that consoles used to have. You don't play a game for a few months then you have to update the dam thing before you can play. Consoles used to be great plug and play but now it put this in download patch and play.

Why get a console over pcs now all they offer is is a simplified pc experence?

Consoles used to be so much better when they released full games and you could count on putting the disk in and playing the game instead of waiting for the stupid thing to update.

imprezawrx500

The patches take like a few seconds. Maybe it takes longer if you a PS3?

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#40 heretrix
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Video game consoles and PCs have had similar tech for quite awhile now, so it's only natural that the consoles, as they got more sophisticated, became more like PCs, for good or for ill.

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All three consoles play games, consoles that existed 20 years ago also played games, so what's the problem here?
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#42 Unassigned
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All three consoles play games, consoles that existed 20 years ago also played games, so what's the problem here?EazyD91
Because 20 years ago that's ALL they did was play games.
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#43 LOXO7
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These current consoles have lost most of the point that consoles used to have. You don't play a game for a few months then you have to update the dam thing before you can play. Consoles used to be great plug and play but now it put this in download patch and play.

Why get a console over pcs now all they offer is is a simplified pc experence?

Consoles used to be so much better when they released full games and you could count on putting the disk in and playing the game instead of waiting for the stupid thing to update.

imprezawrx500

You have online with your console? Without online, you DONT HAVE TO download or update at all. You should have stopped at "consoles are no longer consoles because they go online."

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#44 heretrix
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[QUOTE="EazyD91"]All three consoles play games, consoles that existed 20 years ago also played games, so what's the problem here?Unassigned
Because 20 years ago that's ALL they did was play games.

God forbid something should evolve. Everything should be exactly the same for 20 years.

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#45 Tylendal
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[QUOTE="Unassigned"][QUOTE="EazyD91"]All three consoles play games, consoles that existed 20 years ago also played games, so what's the problem here?heretrix

Because 20 years ago that's ALL they did was play games.

God forbid something should evolve. Everything should be exactly the same for 20 years.

Yes, but convergent evolution isn't what we want to see. We want to see the console experience evolve, not slowly become a PC.
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#46 XxChicagoTedXx
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Unassigned"] Because 20 years ago that's ALL they did was play games.Tylendal

God forbid something should evolve. Everything should be exactly the same for 20 years.

Yes, but convergent evolution isn't what we want to see. We want to see the console experience evolve, not slowly become a PC.

Well seeing as the PC is the superior console, I think that they are heading into the right direction. Plus, you can't say they are dumbed down PCs. The right term would be Home Entertainment System. It plays games, movies, and music. That is it. And people shouldn't be complaining about updates because back in the day if you bought a glitchy game you were stuck with it. Today it just gets updated. Do you like glicthers who go under the map and kill you?

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#47 lowe0
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You're right, at this point consoles pretty much do everything a PC does just at a worse standard. Brainkiller05
Consider the marginal return. If the advantages of a PC over a console are worth the added expense and effort, then by all means, get a gaming PC. In my case, however, a console works just fine, even at a "worse standard". I have the money, I have the hardware, I have the experience, but I simply don't see the point anymore.

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#48 imprezawrx500
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[QUOTE="Salt_The_Fries"]Blame the Xbox for that.-Pred-Alien-
So you like your games unpatched and broken You it only takes a few seconds at the beginning to update:?

you like locked data on the disk you have to pay to use? had xbox never come along there would be no ripoff dlc.
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#49 Sword-Demon
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I think it's good that devs can update their games after release..

and it's not like you get a patch every week, and they certainly dont take that long to download..