Consoles are PC's. PC's will be the new console of the future.

Not trying to start a flame war or anything, just putting forth the idea.

Think about this, the consoles we have today (excluding the wii) are basically PC's.

They have harddrives, GPU's and Processors.

PC's today, suffer from one major issues, concerning taking over the role as a gaming platform...

This issue is:

COMPATIBILITY.

I think we can all agree, once this issue is solved (and trust me, they are working on it).

The reign of the consoles will come to an abrupt end, when people realize they can have a multimedia center that will do it all.

PC's in the future will

Play Video Games (With controllers as well as mice)

Surf the Net.

Do your homework

Play Media (DVD's, Music, TV, etc)

The list goes on and on.

So I ask you all, do you fear the death of the consoles? Or do you welcome the future of PC gaming?

PC's in the future will

Play Video Games (With controllers as well as mice)

Surf the Net.

Do your homework

Play Media (DVD's, Music, TV, etc)

The list goes on and on.

Rifkin-

Edit: Upon further investigation of this thread, I can conclude that it fails. Big time.

If PCs "kill" consoles, it will be because of price.

The Commodore 64 helped cause the video game crash in the 80's, maybe it'll happen again.

Except that compatibility is really an issue of the past. Any relatively new PC can play practically any game out right now.Vandalvideo

Just not a lot of your older games, as I've discovered. Well, assuming you're using Windows ME... I mean Vista. *snarls*

You can already do all of those things with a PC......trix5817

Reread what the TC said. Also this is unlikely since consoles are becoming more like pcs by the minute. Save Nintendo.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Except that compatibility is really an issue of the past. Any relatively new PC can play practically any game out right now.ThePlothole

Just not a lot of your older games, as I've discovered. Well, assuming you're using Windows ME... I mean Vista. *snarls*

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Except that compatibility is really an issue of the past. Any relatively new PC can play practically any game out right now.ThePlothole

Just not a lot of your older games, as I've discovered. Well, assuming you're using Windows ME... I mean Vista. *snarls*

Go to properties of one of your installed games, compatibility tab and under compatibility mode, check "Run this program in compatibility mode for:" and scroll to the OS that worked with your older games.

all pc's can do that, but you know whats stupid about pc's...graphic card updates, its like buying half a console every year.

a ps3 just needs a mouse and a kb and i wouldnt need pcs for nething....

but they have great games right now, i just can't play wow on my comp, my graph card sux

[QUOTE="ThePlothole"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Except that compatibility is really an issue of the past. Any relatively new PC can play practically any game out right now.Redmoonxl2

Just not a lot of your older games, as I've discovered. Well, assuming you're using Windows ME... I mean Vista. *snarls*

Go to properties of one of your installed games, compatibility tab and under compatibility mode, check "Run this program in compatibility mode for:" and scroll to the OS that worked with your older games.

I'm aware of that setting...it was in XP too. It doesn't always work though. There are still a few titles I cannot get to work, period, no matter what I do.

all pc's can do that, but you know whats stupid about pc's...graphic card updates, its like buying half a console every year.

a ps3 just needs a mouse and a kb and i wouldnt need pcs for nething....

but they have great games right now, i just can't play wow on my comp, my graph card sux

jsmoke03

That doesn't make sense man. I have an 8800GTX and I can tell you that it blows any console out of the water. Consoles don't get gfx card updates so that means my comp will remain superior to consoles until the end of the current gen.So basically my pc will be able to play any game that a console can with better gfx until the newer versions come out(which isn't anytime soon).

[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="ThePlothole"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Except that compatibility is really an issue of the past. Any relatively new PC can play practically any game out right now.ThePlothole

Just not a lot of your older games, as I've discovered. Well, assuming you're using Windows ME... I mean Vista. *snarls*

Go to properties of one of your installed games, compatibility tab and under compatibility mode, check "Run this program in compatibility mode for:" and scroll to the OS that worked with your older games.

I'm aware of that setting...it was in XP too. It doesn't always work though. There are still a few titles I cannot get to work, period, no matter what I do.

Never had that issue so don't know what to tell you.

Just wanted to add that I don't mean that Vista is flawless and can do no wrong. This OS annoys me to no end.

Anyways... to the TC,

I believe there will always be a demand for consoles, simply because designed to be as straight-forward as possible... There's little setup involved, no installing before you can play your games, and no having to worry if your system specs are good enough to run a certain game.

Anyways... to the TC,

I believe there will always be a demand for consoles, simply because designed to be as straight-forward as possible... There's little setup involved, no installing before you can play your games, and no having to worry if your system specs are good enough to run a certain game.

ThePlothole

True, but the PC is working towards this end. I should've been more specific in my original post about what "Compatibility" meant. They are starting to make games that span any PC (within reason), and what I meant by this was, the PC will take on the attributes that make the Console so desirable.

[QUOTE="trix5817"]You can already do all of those things with a PC......jangojay

Reread what the TC said. Also this is unlikely since consoles are becoming more like pcs by the minute. Save Nintendo.

I already read it. Modern PC's can do all of those things he stated that "PC's of the future" will be able to do.......

no installing before you can play your games

Actually, I don't think I've played a PS3 game yet that didn't require something be installed on the HDD. I don't think I've played a game that doesn't have software updates either.

[QUOTE="jangojay"]

[QUOTE="trix5817"]You can already do all of those things with a PC......trix5817

Reread what the TC said. Also this is unlikely since consoles are becoming more like pcs by the minute. Save Nintendo.

I already read it. Modern PC's can do all of those things he stated that "PC's of the future" will be able to do.......

Oh sorry about that but I thought he meant future pcs would have the compatability issues with games fixed up.

[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="jangojay"]

[QUOTE="trix5817"]You can already do all of those things with a PC......jangojay

Reread what the TC said. Also this is unlikely since consoles are becoming more like pcs by the minute. Save Nintendo.

I already read it. Modern PC's can do all of those things he stated that "PC's of the future" will be able to do.......

Oh sorry about that but I thought he meant future pcs would have the compatability issues with games fixed up.

I do, I wrote my post rather inproperly, sorry for the confusion.

[QUOTE="Plothole"]no installing before you can play your gamesOsafune24

Actually, I don't think I've played a PS3 game yet that didn't require something be installed on the HDD. I don't think I've played a game that doesn't have software updates either.

Well, two out of three anyways. I think Sony has sorta forgotten why consumers buy consoles. Of course all the consoles do updates, but it seems like Sony is the most obsessed with it... makes me more than a little worried that I'm going to brick my PSP one of these days.

Every night I pray to nVidia and Intel to save us from mediocrity. So far, so good.

Consoles are dead. They are already being replaced by handhelds, when the infrastructure is there, a handheld that accesses a cross between LIVE and MySpace would be ideal.

So basically, if the PC gets motion sensor technology, then the consoles are le doomed?

I definantly welcome PC gaming as i already have a mid ranged PC but i still love consoles so i dont really know whats going to happen. It really depends on what happens with PC gaming

Is it going to be to expensive? If that happens and there is no consoles gaming will die down and nobody wants a crappy computer that can only run games on low.

However if PC gaming can keep the 800$-1500$ price range then i dont think there will be a problem. As for those who spend 2200$ on PC's well.....what the hell?

with windows vista ?

nope not gonna happen

Until technology becomes so embedded in our lives that everyone knows how to use and upgrade a PC, consoles will still be around.

I've already been through a decade-long PC gaming phase, and come out the other end realising, I don't care enough about the technology of gaming anymore to maintain a high-end PC. I'll just buy a console, pop in a disc and play a game.

it won't happen

do you see many casuals buying gaming pc's??????

companies want MONEE"UY

it won't happen

do you see many casuals buying gaming pc's??????

companies want MONEE"UY

mistervengeance

Yes, yes I do. It's called World of Warcraft.

Every night I pray to nVidia and Intel to save us from mediocrity. So far, so good.

Consoles are dead. They are already being replaced by handhelds, when the infrastructure is there, a handheld that accesses a cross between LIVE and MySpace would be ideal.

subrosian

Delusional much? Consoles are selling like crazy, and nintendo's handhelds have been huge since they first introduced the gameboy. A cross between LIVE and MySpace :(

no. most peoples don't have the dedication to upgrade and install new hardware every month or install each game yaddiyaddiyah the list goes on. crunchUK

What it comes down to, consoles and pc gaming will be around for quite some time yet.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

Every night I pray to nVidia and Intel to save us from mediocrity. So far, so good.

Consoles are dead. They are already being replaced by handhelds, when the infrastructure is there, a handheld that accesses a cross between LIVE and MySpace would be ideal.

TerroRizing

Delusional much? Consoles are selling like crazy, and nintendo's handhelds have been huge since they first introduced the gameboy. A cross between LIVE and MySpace :(

The Wii is selling like crazy, the Xbox 360 and PS3? Nowhere near the Wii or PS2 levels. Microsoft and Sony have both taken it in the pants (financially speaking) with their respective consoles, and Microsoft got burned on the Xbox as well. The grim reality is that the "HD console market" is not what they wanted it to be, investor's expecations were not met, and the handheld market is the future for the companies focused on fixed-hardware solutions to the "gaming world".

Delusional? No. Intelligent? Yes. Three generations - death clock is at 11:47pm and the bullet is already in the chamber. The casual market won't care about the relatively small market of enthusiast console diehards when the time comes - you tell them Master Chief is playing LIVE online along with Madden and Spore on some kind of $100 handheld and they're sold.

Tick-tock. Do you hear that, Mr. Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability.

So I ask you all, do you fear the death of the consoles? Or do you welcome the future of PC gaming?

Rifkin-

Consoles will evolve into something greater than just "home entertainment system".

Even now, they can't be called gaming consoles, because they do bunch of other things besides gaming. They play movies and music, they surf the internet, and those features can't be called "gaming features".

[QUOTE="TerroRizing"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

Every night I pray to nVidia and Intel to save us from mediocrity. So far, so good.

Consoles are dead. They are already being replaced by handhelds, when the infrastructure is there, a handheld that accesses a cross between LIVE and MySpace would be ideal.

subrosian

Delusional much? Consoles are selling like crazy, and nintendo's handhelds have been huge since they first introduced the gameboy. A cross between LIVE and MySpace :(

The Wii is selling like crazy, the Xbox 360 and PS3? Nowhere near the Wii or PS2 levels. Microsoft and Sony have both taken it in the pants (financially speaking) with their respective consoles, and Microsoft got burned on the Xbox as well. The grim reality is that the "HD console market" is not what they wanted it to be, investor's expecations were not met, and the handheld market is the future for the companies focused on fixed-hardware solutions to the "gaming world".

Delusional? No. Intelligent? Yes. Three generations - death clock is at 11:47pm and the bullet is already in the chamber. The casual market won't care about the relatively small market of enthusiast console diehards when the time comes - you tell them Master Chief is playing LIVE online along with Madden and Spore on some kind of $100 handheld and they're sold.

Tick-tock. Do you hear that, Mr. Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability.

Nintendo got burned with the 'cube along with the Xbox yetthey continued development of new consoles and it seems to have payed off as the 360 is making money now and the Wii obviously is. Japanese PC gaming industry is beyond minute. At the moment there aren't as many PC gamers as console gamers.

[QUOTE="ThePlothole"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Except that compatibility is really an issue of the past. Any relatively new PC can play practically any game out right now.Vandalvideo

Just not a lot of your older games, as I've discovered. Well, assuming you're using Windows ME... I mean Vista. *snarls*

I dont know what he means anyway, the only game that hasnt worked for me is Thief 1 ... and that was because it couldnt use my 8800 card for some reason X_X .. couldnt even detect it.

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="TerroRizing"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

Every night I pray to nVidia and Intel to save us from mediocrity. So far, so good.

Consoles are dead. They are already being replaced by handhelds, when the infrastructure is there, a handheld that accesses a cross between LIVE and MySpace would be ideal.

james28893

Delusional much? Consoles are selling like crazy, and nintendo's handhelds have been huge since they first introduced the gameboy. A cross between LIVE and MySpace :(

The Wii is selling like crazy, the Xbox 360 and PS3? Nowhere near the Wii or PS2 levels. Microsoft and Sony have both taken it in the pants (financially speaking) with their respective consoles, and Microsoft got burned on the Xbox as well. The grim reality is that the "HD console market" is not what they wanted it to be, investor's expecations were not met, and the handheld market is the future for the companies focused on fixed-hardware solutions to the "gaming world".

Delusional? No. Intelligent? Yes. Three generations - death clock is at 11:47pm and the bullet is already in the chamber. The casual market won't care about the relatively small market of enthusiast console diehards when the time comes - you tell them Master Chief is playing LIVE online along with Madden and Spore on some kind of $100 handheld and they're sold.

Tick-tock. Do you hear that, Mr. Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability.

Nintendo got burned with the 'cube along with the Xbox yetthey continued development of new consoles and it seems to have payed off as the 360 is making money now and the Wii obviously is. Japanese PC gaming industry is beyond minute. At the moment there aren't as many PC gamers as console gamers.

Incorrect.

Nintendo made money on the Gamecube, Microsoft lost billions of dollars (which they have yet to recover) on the Xbox, and are now in the process of *still* losing billions on the Xbox 360. They took a billion dollar hit in the form of pre-paid "expected repairs" simply so they can perform some accounting magic later on and divert that money into faking a profitable quarter at some point in 2008 (which they will attempt to do, guaranteed, to appease investors) but the Xbox project will not have reached an overall ROI even by the end of the generation.

Nintendo has been profitable since the NES days in everything they've attempted, other than the Virtual Boy.

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I never claimed that PC gaming was the future, read what I've written again, I think you'll find those who are betting on archaic, non-portable, non-online technology will slowly turn to the "well, it makes senes, I really like my GoXbox handheld!" camp within the three generation timeframe I've listed.

The few people who are diehard "conventional console" supporters who refuse to accept the new technology (an insignificant market) won't particularly matter. See the Wii for a demonstration in financial terms.

[QUOTE="james28893"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="TerroRizing"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

Every night I pray to nVidia and Intel to save us from mediocrity. So far, so good.

Consoles are dead. They are already being replaced by handhelds, when the infrastructure is there, a handheld that accesses a cross between LIVE and MySpace would be ideal.

subrosian

Delusional much? Consoles are selling like crazy, and nintendo's handhelds have been huge since they first introduced the gameboy. A cross between LIVE and MySpace :(

The Wii is selling like crazy, the Xbox 360 and PS3? Nowhere near the Wii or PS2 levels. Microsoft and Sony have both taken it in the pants (financially speaking) with their respective consoles, and Microsoft got burned on the Xbox as well. The grim reality is that the "HD console market" is not what they wanted it to be, investor's expecations were not met, and the handheld market is the future for the companies focused on fixed-hardware solutions to the "gaming world".

Delusional? No. Intelligent? Yes. Three generations - death clock is at 11:47pm and the bullet is already in the chamber. The casual market won't care about the relatively small market of enthusiast console diehards when the time comes - you tell them Master Chief is playing LIVE online along with Madden and Spore on some kind of $100 handheld and they're sold.

Tick-tock. Do you hear that, Mr. Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability.

Nintendo got burned with the 'cube along with the Xbox yetthey continued development of new consoles and it seems to have payed off as the 360 is making money now and the Wii obviously is. Japanese PC gaming industry is beyond minute. At the moment there aren't as many PC gamers as console gamers.

Incorrect.

Nintendo made money on the Gamecube, Microsoft lost billions of dollars (which they have yet to recover) on the Xbox, and are now in the process of *still* losing billions on the Xbox 360. They took a billion dollar hit in the form of pre-paid "expected repairs" simply so they can perform some accounting magic later on and divert that money into faking a profitable quarter at some point in 2008 (which they will attempt to do, guaranteed, to appease investors) but the Xbox project will not have reached an overall ROI even by the end of the generation.

Nintendo has been profitable since the NES days in everything they've attempted, other than the Virtual Boy.

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I never claimed that PC gaming was the future, read what I've written again, I think you'll find those who are betting on archaic, non-portable, non-online technology will slowly turn to the "well, it makes senes, I really like my GoXbox handheld!" camp within the three generation timeframe I've listed.

The few people who are diehard "conventional console" supporters who refuse to accept the new technology (an insignificant market) won't particularly matter. See the Wii for a demonstration in financial terms.

Acutally M$ makes money on every XBOX 360 sold (unlike the original XB) which would explain why they're so hesitant to drop the price by a meaningful number. Also M$ makes more money on Software sales than both the wii/PS3. And if you choose to bring up the DS I'll simply through in Windows XP/Vista. ;) M$'s biggest hit was the original XB because they couldn't recoup any money on the hardware they outsourced.

Maybe in the distant future when everyone's a PC nerd (since thats what people will live around, PC's) and understands everything about PC's. Until then, consoles (portable gaming machine that you CANT upgrade) will be the "future"krp008

You fling that buzz word around so much, do you even know what it means?

Why words like these were made I dont know, its just as idiotic as being racist.

[QUOTE="krp008"]Maybe in the distant future when everyone's a PC nerd (since thats what people will live around, PC's) and understands everything about PC's. Until then, consoles (portable gaming machine that you CANT upgrade) will be the "future"Meu2k7

You fling that buzz word around so much, do you even know what it means?

Why words like these were made I dont know, its just as idiotic as being racist.

I don't understand why console gamers, who believe in fixed hardware, fight the inevitable future of online-service enable handhelds replacing consoles, with such a deep ferocity. Don't you want to be able to play Halo 4 on LIVE, anytime, anywhere, even cross platform against "future PC" and "console media extender (that connects to the handheld wirelessly) gamers?

Much like all consolite-think, I imagine they'll remain opposed to such ideas until the moment they actually happen. "OMG damn you hermits, installing PC games is stupid, I can play immediately! HAHAHA pwned!". Xbox 360 comes out "we can cache games! No load times! This is so awesome! Install the game on your hard drive and it's instant!"

[QUOTE="mistervengeance"]

it won't happen

do you see many casuals buying gaming pc's??????

companies want MONEE"UY

subrosian

Yes, yes I do. It's called World of Warcraft.

nah not taht man, i meant gaming pc as in 800+ pc's meant for gaming.

you can play WoW on any pc you buy nowadays

Yes forget the cost of a gaming PC and that could happen.james28893

yeah and forget the fact that consoles are dying. Each generation gets worse and worse. Only unit this time to break maybe 70 mil will be the Wii.

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="mistervengeance"]

it won't happen

do you see many casuals buying gaming pc's??????

companies want MONEE"UY

mistervengeance

Yes, yes I do. It's called World of Warcraft.

nah not taht man, i meant gaming pc as in 800+ pc's meant for gaming.

you can play WoW on any pc you buy nowadays

And yet you don't realise that Nvidia, Ati would die off without PC gaming. Most of their revenue are from performance (8800GT~) level cards. Console GPU's are cheap and don't net anywhere near enough profit to keep their fab plants.

"I welcome the PC as the new Gaming Overlord."

No. It has ALWAYS been the Gaming Overlord. It always has and always will.