consoles "maxed" graphic wise. will we see creative gameplay now?

Correct me if im wrong but i remember reading on the gta 4 review on IGN that the consoles are being pushed to their limits with gta 4. Im not completly impressed either. but then again look how huge the gta world is and how much is running at one time. the fact that the consoles can push power like that is amazing!

but now im wondering do you guys think we'll see games starting to come out for the 360 or ps3 that show some really amazing gameplay? kinda like a god of war series? the psp version obv doesnt have the best graphics but the gameplay is amazing..

just wanted ur thoughts. what do you think is next for consoles? and now that the cnosoles are maxed graphical wise are you eager to get ur hands on the next xbox or playstation? i really cant wait for 2010 to see what the next consoles are like. im guessing microsoft will be using their direct x 10 for the newest console

i hope so. they will find some ways to up the graphics some more but it's clear there are limits.... look at MGS4..

bs the gta4 graphic suck

look at the new unreal engine 3.5 demo

they had hundreds of locust on screen at better than gears 1 quality. if graphics like that are possible, why do we get this sucky **** gta has?

Saying a console is "maxed out" shows you don't know the slightest thing about game development.

bs the gta4 graphic suck

look at the new unreal engine 3.5 demo

they had hundreds of locust on screen at better than gears 1 quality. if graphics like that are possible, why do we get this sucky **** gta has?

mistervengeance

wow, you know little about the differences in these games.... you have seen an UE3.5 demo where hundreds of locust were running...... does that make it equal to the scale of a game like gta4

RFOM2, KZ2 and MGS4 all blow away GTA4 (which i own) graphic/ technical wise im sure. Its all about money FIRST, if devs go for creativity is becuase it sells. I dont see that happening cause echochrome doesnt have any graphics and its very creative and i dont know anyone on my PSN that owns it. remember its about money first.Gamersince81

totally different games

2009 games will look better than this year's crop... 2010 games will surpass 2009 in graphics.

No console has truly maxed its potential until the end of its life.

Also gta4 isn't that good looking for a game. Assasin Creed owns it so badly.numba1234

GTA4 has a more massive scale than Assassin's Creed.

Besides, its up to opinion, anyways.

Correct me if im wrong but i remember reading on the gta 4 review on IGN that the consoles are being pushed to their limits with gta 4. Im not completly impressed either. but then again look how huge the gta world is and how much is running at one time. the fact that the consoles can push power like that is amazing!

but now im wondering do you guys think we'll see games starting to come out for the 360 or ps3 that show some really amazing gameplay? kinda like a god of war series? the psp version obv doesnt have the best graphics but the gameplay is amazing..

just wanted ur thoughts. what do you think is next for consoles? and now that the cnosoles are maxed graphical wise are you eager to get ur hands on the next xbox or playstation? i really cant wait for 2010 to see what the next consoles are like. im guessing microsoft will be using their direct x 10 for the newest console

Bishop1310

I will correct you because you are wrong, why is it that every time a new game comes out "Is the ps3 and 360 maxed out yet"? Happened with Gears, then Uncharted, now GTA4, give it a break. I'm sure you know about Resistance 2, having 60 ppl online and you can admit it will look quite good graphic wise, then again it starts with the are consoles maxed out yet? It's common sense to expect has the years go by, games will look better, and I'm not talking about size wise like GTA.

/thread

Creative gameplay is dead.

You get a few every generation. But not many.

[QUOTE="mistervengeance"]

bs the gta4 graphic suck

look at the new unreal engine 3.5 demo

they had hundreds of locust on screen at better than gears 1 quality. if graphics like that are possible, why do we get this sucky **** gta has?

Always-Honest

wow, you know little about the differences in these games.... you have seen an UE3.5 demo where hundreds of locust were running...... does that make it equal to the scale of a game like gta4

dude not everyone is talking about GTA4 lol. The TS means graphics general for later games, not every game is going to be like GTA in comparsion size wise.

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shadyd1717

We can only hope. Was getting tired of developers focusing too much on graphics and less on everything else. I think they have nearly reached there peak console wise. And PC wise, you can't get much better than Crysis. Atleast not for another decade.

We can only hope. Was getting tired of developers focusing too much on graphics and less on everything else. I think they have nearly reached there peak console wise. And PC wise, you can't get much better than Crysis. Atleast not for another decade.

Dahaka-UK

Or...2-3 years? Look at Half Life 2 and how long that lasted as Graphical King.

Graphics can mean lots of things. Texture quality, animations, draw distance, frame rate, load speed or setup of graphics interface etc.

By no means has GTA4 hit the roof in the 2nd year of the PS3, or 3rd year of the 360. Maybe in a sandbox environment they are hitting some limits based on the combination of things on screen, AI and hit detection per object. But fighting games, non sand box games (Uncharted), and fps will always look better then a sandbox game with tons of stuff going on. I'd put my paycheck on the line that GTA5 (if there is one after the freeze crap in this game) will look twice as good.

All 2010 consoles to have Quad core 3.5ghz-9800gtx-4gb Ram-150gb HDD and Blu-ray drives. Thats what i think.angelkimne

Wow, that would be such crap compared to the gaming PCs that are going to be out at that time. :D

Not for PS3

[QUOTE="Gamersince81"]RFOM2, KZ2 and MGS4 all blow away GTA4 (which i own) graphic/ technical wise im sure. Its all about money FIRST, if devs go for creativity is becuase it sells. I dont see that happening cause echochrome doesnt have any graphics and its very creative and i dont know anyone on my PSN that owns it. remember its about money first.Always-Honest

totally different games

I know, it's annoying how the tech-inclined fail to realise the processing power it takes to render large scaled areas vs say a shooter like Gears or Resistance.

Although in my opinion Just Cause 2 and Far Cry 2 will outshine GT4 and I know those games will have similar scale.

[QUOTE="angelkimne"]All 2010 consoles to have Quad core 3.5ghz-9800gtx-4gb Ram-150gb HDD and Blu-ray drives. Thats what i think.dgsag

Wow, that would be such crap compared to the gaming PCs that are going to be out at that time. :D

I know but it willl be alot cheaper.If you want super-uber-goood graphics then you go for pc gaming.

[QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

[QUOTE="Gamersince81"]RFOM2, KZ2 and MGS4 all blow away GTA4 (which i own) graphic/ technical wise im sure. Its all about money FIRST, if devs go for creativity is becuase it sells. I dont see that happening cause echochrome doesnt have any graphics and its very creative and i dont know anyone on my PSN that owns it. remember its about money first.Innovazero2000

totally different games

I know, it's annoying how the tech-inclined fail to realise the processing power it takes to render large scaled areas vs say a shooter like Gears or Resistance.

Although in my opinion Just Cause 2 and Far Cry 2 will outshine GT4 and I know those games will have similar scale.

Way what?

Don't compaire Gears to resistance as far as scale is concerned, They're on a whole diffent level.

FACT: There is nothing special about the gameplay of the God of War series.

(I don't know where people get these crazyy ideas from?)

[QUOTE="Innovazero2000"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

[QUOTE="Gamersince81"]RFOM2, KZ2 and MGS4 all blow away GTA4 (which i own) graphic/ technical wise im sure. Its all about money FIRST, if devs go for creativity is becuase it sells. I dont see that happening cause echochrome doesnt have any graphics and its very creative and i dont know anyone on my PSN that owns it. remember its about money first.killadread

totally different games

I know, it's annoying how the tech-inclined fail to realise the processing power it takes to render large scaled areas vs say a shooter like Gears or Resistance.

Although in my opinion Just Cause 2 and Far Cry 2 will outshine GT4 and I know those games will have similar scale.

Way what?

Don't compaire Gears to resistance as far as scale is concerned, They're on a whole diffent level.

MGS 4 is pushing the ps3 to its limits like Kojima said, and yet doesn't look anything mind blowing..MojondeVACA

and Itagaki said DOAX2 was pushing xbox360 to it's limits and it looks even less impressive.

[QUOTE="killadread"][QUOTE="Innovazero2000"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

[QUOTE="Gamersince81"]RFOM2, KZ2 and MGS4 all blow away GTA4 (which i own) graphic/ technical wise im sure. Its all about money FIRST, if devs go for creativity is becuase it sells. I dont see that happening cause echochrome doesnt have any graphics and its very creative and i dont know anyone on my PSN that owns it. remember its about money first.septicvirus

totally different games

I know, it's annoying how the tech-inclined fail to realise the processing power it takes to render large scaled areas vs say a shooter like Gears or Resistance.

Although in my opinion Just Cause 2 and Far Cry 2 will outshine GT4 and I know those games will have similar scale.

Way what?

Don't compaire Gears to resistance as far as scale is concerned, They're on a whole diffent level.

Dont act like its not the same for both companies. All companies touch up screenshots.

Far Cry 2 disagrees with your graphics theory.And gameplay, well LBP and fable 2 disagree. Als as you can see the glider in the screen below in FC2 it might also have some goood Gameplay.

Correct me if im wrong but i remember reading on the gta 4 review on IGN that the consoles are being pushed to their limits with gta 4. Im not completly impressed either. but then again look how huge the gta world is and how much is running at one time. the fact that the consoles can push power like that is amazing!

but now im wondering do you guys think we'll see games starting to come out for the 360 or ps3 that show some really amazing gameplay? kinda like a god of war series? the psp version obv doesnt have the best graphics but the gameplay is amazing..

just wanted ur thoughts. what do you think is next for consoles? and now that the cnosoles are maxed graphical wise are you eager to get ur hands on the next xbox or playstation? i really cant wait for 2010 to see what the next consoles are like. im guessing microsoft will be using their direct x 10 for the newest console

Bishop1310

Console games that show off creativity:

- GTA4
- MGS4
- LBP
- Fable 2
- Resistance 2

Regarding GTA 4. It still looks amazing (console standards) and I feel it's a graphical benchmark.

ARE YOU REALLY READY FOR A THE NEXT GEN OF GAMING??? I'm certainly not.

[QUOTE="Bishop1310"]

Correct me if im wrong but i remember reading on the gta 4 review on IGN that the consoles are being pushed to their limits with gta 4. Im not completly impressed either. but then again look how huge the gta world is and how much is running at one time. the fact that the consoles can push power like that is amazing!

but now im wondering do you guys think we'll see games starting to come out for the 360 or ps3 that show some really amazing gameplay? kinda like a god of war series? the psp version obv doesnt have the best graphics but the gameplay is amazing..

just wanted ur thoughts. what do you think is next for consoles? and now that the cnosoles are maxed graphical wise are you eager to get ur hands on the next xbox or playstation? i really cant wait for 2010 to see what the next consoles are like. im guessing microsoft will be using their direct x 10 for the newest console

TREAL_Since

Console games that show off creativity:

- GTA4
- MGS4
- LBP
- Fable 2
- Resistance 2

Regarding GTA 4. You have to take into consideration how large the world is and how many cars/ NPCs are on screen at any given meoment. It still looks amazing and I feel it's a graphical benchmark.

ARE YOU REALLY READY FOR A THE NEXT GEN OF GAMING??? I'm certainly not.

Only one of those games are actually released, so how in the hell do you know they will break boundaries?

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

[QUOTE="Bishop1310"]

Correct me if im wrong but i remember reading on the gta 4 review on IGN that the consoles are being pushed to their limits with gta 4. Im not completly impressed either. but then again look how huge the gta world is and how much is running at one time. the fact that the consoles can push power like that is amazing!

but now im wondering do you guys think we'll see games starting to come out for the 360 or ps3 that show some really amazing gameplay? kinda like a god of war series? the psp version obv doesnt have the best graphics but the gameplay is amazing..

just wanted ur thoughts. what do you think is next for consoles? and now that the cnosoles are maxed graphical wise are you eager to get ur hands on the next xbox or playstation? i really cant wait for 2010 to see what the next consoles are like. im guessing microsoft will be using their direct x 10 for the newest console

sSubZerOo

Console games that show off creativity:

- GTA4
- MGS4
- LBP
- Fable 2
- Resistance 2

Regarding GTA 4. You have to take into consideration how large the world is and how many cars/ NPCs are on screen at any given meoment. It still looks amazing and I feel it's a graphical benchmark.

ARE YOU REALLY READY FOR A THE NEXT GEN OF GAMING??? I'm certainly not.

Only one of those games are actually released, so how in the hell do you know they will break boundaries?

Like I said. They show creativity. As human beings, we are judgmental. And from what I've seen/ read about these games they show off a good spark of creativity.

I never siad they will break any boundaries. Your "how in the hell" remark wasn't neccessary my friend.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

[QUOTE="Bishop1310"]

Correct me if im wrong but i remember reading on the gta 4 review on IGN that the consoles are being pushed to their limits with gta 4. Im not completly impressed either. but then again look how huge the gta world is and how much is running at one time. the fact that the consoles can push power like that is amazing!

but now im wondering do you guys think we'll see games starting to come out for the 360 or ps3 that show some really amazing gameplay? kinda like a god of war series? the psp version obv doesnt have the best graphics but the gameplay is amazing..

just wanted ur thoughts. what do you think is next for consoles? and now that the cnosoles are maxed graphical wise are you eager to get ur hands on the next xbox or playstation? i really cant wait for 2010 to see what the next consoles are like. im guessing microsoft will be using their direct x 10 for the newest console

TREAL_Since

Console games that show off creativity:

- GTA4
- MGS4
- LBP
- Fable 2
- Resistance 2

Regarding GTA 4. You have to take into consideration how large the world is and how many cars/ NPCs are on screen at any given meoment. It still looks amazing and I feel it's a graphical benchmark.

ARE YOU REALLY READY FOR A THE NEXT GEN OF GAMING??? I'm certainly not.

Only one of those games are actually released, so how in the hell do you know they will break boundaries?

Like I said. They show creativity. As human beings, we are judgmental. And from what I've seen/ read about these games they show off a good spark of creativity.

I never siad they will break any boundaries. Your "what the hell" remark wasn't neccessary my friend.

Because your claim to them being unique is completely unfounded ;), I suppose we should have trusted the spheel's about Radiant AI being ground breaking by the previews in Oblivion? When in the end they were not what so ever.. SO I sayth again, wait till the game is released..

[QUOTE="Bishop1310"]

Correct me if im wrong but i remember reading on the gta 4 review on IGN that the consoles are being pushed to their limits with gta 4. Im not completly impressed either. but then again look how huge the gta world is and how much is running at one time. the fact that the consoles can push power like that is amazing!

but now im wondering do you guys think we'll see games starting to come out for the 360 or ps3 that show some really amazing gameplay? kinda like a god of war series? the psp version obv doesnt have the best graphics but the gameplay is amazing..

just wanted ur thoughts. what do you think is next for consoles? and now that the cnosoles are maxed graphical wise are you eager to get ur hands on the next xbox or playstation? i really cant wait for 2010 to see what the next consoles are like. im guessing microsoft will be using their direct x 10 for the newest console

TREAL_Since

Console games that show off creativity:

- GTA4
- MGS4
- LBP
- Fable 2
- Resistance 2

Regarding GTA 4. It still looks amazing (console standards) and I feel it's a graphical benchmark.

ARE YOU REALLY READY FOR A THE NEXT GEN OF GAMING??? I'm certainly not.

I know, i dont even have a HD-TV yet *sobs*

When Finaly Fantasy and Killzone 2 hits PS3's graphics will be maxed as for the 360 that new Rpg coming out looks beautiful i forgot what its called.Nolan16

haha ye suree you obviously dont know what you are talking about.

Because your claim to them being unique is completely unfounded ;), I suppose we should have trusted the spheel's about Radiant AI being ground breaking by the previews in Oblivion? When in the end they were not what so ever.. SO I sayth again, wait till the game is released..

sSubZerOo

I think most of us are pretty good at judging things. Especially if we see it in action or read previews from people who have played the games. MGS4, LBP, Resistance 2, are said to be creative by those who have played it (there are some who have already beaten MGS4). Is there any way that these games can be disproved of ther creativeness?

Do we really have to reserve our judgement until every game is released :?

wow so GTA4 is your last game to play this gen? or what?

It is too early and I disagree 100%, every year there is going to be new graphical showcases for both consoles until this gen ends.

Look at GT5p, it is better than anything on the market and the developer said it will improve graphically when the final game hits the stores.

Look at God of War 2, it was so late on the PS2 life cycle and look how it did, I think GOD3 will have a graphical showcase both artistically and technically.

Gears of Wars 2 gonna shock alot of people, Final Fantasy 13 and MGS4 also.

Ninja Gaiden 2 is more polished than Ninja Gaidan: Sigma.

Technology evolve with time and neither console maxed out their power.