Could Tecmo's NG3: Razor's Edge be Nintendo's last chance in the M rated market?

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#1 nintendoboy16
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Yeah, I'm going to be making another thread on this subject.

As we know, Nintendo is the only first party to RARELY publish any games with the M ESRB rating (or any adult oriented rating depending on where you are in the world, like PEGI 16-18+ in Europe), unlike Microsoft (Halo, Gears of War) and Sony (God of War, The Getaway, Twisted Metal Black and the recent installment on PS3) and have had mostly successful runs with them, unlike Nintendo.

In the past, I have made a thread (don't bump, we don't want anyone getting moderated here) saying that I think Nintendo has legit reasons on not having their own M rated games with one N64 game (Rare's Perfect Dark) being a success, but two GameCube games (Silicon Knights' Eternal Darkness and n-space's Geist) being commercial failures, and that thread was made before Resident Evil: Revelations (which Nintendo of Europe did publish, Capcom published in NA and Japan) released, and to my understanding, that failed in the west (NA and Europe) too.

Now the next game for Nintendo to publish with this sort of audience is Tecmo-Koei's Ninja Gaiden III: Razor's Edge for the Wii U. Another version based off the widely panned Ninja Gaiden III for PS3 and 360.

And because it was widely panned with reception from both critics and gamers, bad sales, and Nintendo's rotten luck, do you think this may be their final chance with the overall "Mature" market and whatever "Mature" games being all handled by third parties in both development and publishing?

My thoughts: I personally think it might be because after Nintendo's past three not doing so hot and Ninja Gaiden III's sour reception may not be any help. Nintendo is one of those companies where history really haunts them.

(Besides, I see Ninja Gaiden III on Wii U getting True Crime: New York City styIe of reception when it was released on PC after the console versions)

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Your thoughts?

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#2 nameless12345
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To be honest, I don't know why they are even publishing that game. It would be better if they published some Resident Evil title since that has actually some chance to succeed on their platforms, as a M-rated title.

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I don't see the need for Nintendo to publish a lot of M-rated games. Especially not third-party games they randomly decide to publish themselves.

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I don't see the need for Nintendo to publish a lot of M-rated games. Especially not third-party games they randomly decide to publish themselves.

Cherokee_Jack
Neither do I, but gamers who "grew out" of Nintendo apparently do.
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They don't "need" M rated games, but it's always nice to have diversity. Games like Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Eternal Darkness and Resi 4 (I know they didn't publish that one...) add a very nice change to the usual cute n cuddly Nintendo games. They should be going for a quality M game though. Halo, Gears, God Of War, etc, are top tier franchises that are brilliant fun to play. Ninja Gaiden 3 was poorly recieved as you say. They shouldn't use this as a "last chance"..,.
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To be honest, I don't know why they are even publishing that game. It would be better if they published some Resident Evil title since that has actually some chance to succeed on their platforms, as a M-rated title.

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After what happened with Resident Evil: Revelations, I doubt that would have worked.
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

I don't see the need for Nintendo to publish a lot of M-rated games. Especially not third-party games they randomly decide to publish themselves.

nintendoboy16
Neither do I, but gamers who "grew out" of Nintendo apparently do.

Nintendo doesn't need to publish M-rated games to get them on the system, so I don't see why NG3 determines anything. If the WU looks good to third parties, the M-rated games will come.
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[QUOTE="locopatho"]They don't "need" M rated games, but it's always nice to have diversity. Games like Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Eternal Darkness and Resi 4 (I know they didn't publish that one...) add a very nice change to the usual cute n cuddly Nintendo games.

That's the thing though (since you brought up RE4), other third parties have added more adult stuff on the Wii like Grasshopper with No More Heroes, Platinum with Madworld, SEGA with House of the Dead, and of course, Activison with Call of Duty. It's not like it will be gone completely if Nintendo is able to get these developers/publishers to make these sort of games. It's just Nintendo won't do it because they won't get a thing out of it after their past experiences post-Perfect Dark.
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

I don't see the need for Nintendo to publish a lot of M-rated games. Especially not third-party games they randomly decide to publish themselves.

nintendoboy16

Neither do I, but gamers who "grew out" of Nintendo apparently do.

I think you are mistaken with what he is saying and what people who say they "grew out" of nintendo systems are saying. Nintendo themselves do not need to publish the games, especially random games like these. They just need to have an environment where publishes put the games on the console willingly.

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I think you are mistaken with what he is saying and what people who say they "grew out" of nintendo systems are saying. Nintendo themselves do not need to publish the games, especially random games like these. They just need to have an environment where publishes put the games on the console willingly.

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Mind explaining to me how they could do that? Because they actually try with what games they release and want to be sold.

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[QUOTE="GD1551"]

I think you are mistaken with what he is saying and what people who say they "grew out" of nintendo systems are saying. Nintendo themselves do not need to publish the games, especially random games like these. They just need to have an environment where publishes put the games on the console willingly.

nintendoboy16

Mind explaining to me how they could do that? Because they actually try with what games they release and want to be sold.

Working more with publishers and catering to them a bit.

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I don't think that's too important atm. The real important topic is whether or not Tecmo can make up for the complete blunder that was Ninja Gaiden 3 with Razors Edge on the Wii U.
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I thought ZombiU was their attempt to get back in.
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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

I think you are mistaken with what he is saying and what people who say they "grew out" of nintendo systems are saying. Nintendo themselves do not need to publish the games, especially random games like these. They just need to have an environment where publishes put the games on the console willingly.

GD1551

Mind explaining to me how they could do that? Because they actually try with what games they release and want to be sold.

Working more with publishers and catering to them a bit.

They mainly need to provide hardware comparable with current standards, and support from launch the control schemes that M-rated games are usually built for. They're already doing both of those, and if that won't draw third parties to the WU then publishing other companies' M-rated games won't help.
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I thought ZombiU was their attempt to get back in.AmazonTreeBoa
Nope, Ubisoft is all over that one.
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[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]I thought ZombiU was their attempt to get back in.nintendoboy16
Nope, Ubisoft is all over that one.

Yeah I know who is making it, but it is still an M rated game being made for the WiiU.
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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]I thought ZombiU was their attempt to get back in.AmazonTreeBoa
Nope, Ubisoft is all over that one.

Yeah I know who is making it, but it is still an M rated game being made for the WiiU.

Still doesn't count as that would be like saying Capcom's Resident Evil 4 on the GameCube was Nintendo's attempt to keep an adult audience on their systems when Nintendo had no involvement in that one.
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I don't see the need for Nintendo to publish a lot of M-rated games. Especially not third-party games they randomly decide to publish themselves.

Cherokee_Jack

Exactly, Nintendo doesn't market their consoles for the hardcore anymore.

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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

I don't see the need for Nintendo to publish a lot of M-rated games. Especially not third-party games they randomly decide to publish themselves.

nintendoboy16

Neither do I, but gamers who "grew out" of Nintendo apparently do.

Gamers who "grew out" of Nintendo don't play handhelds. Especially not in public.

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Eh. Nintendo will publish mature rated games when it sees a business opportunity. They must have thought Ninja Gaiden 3 had a market on the Wii U.
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

I don't see the need for Nintendo to publish a lot of M-rated games. Especially not third-party games they randomly decide to publish themselves.

nintendoboy16
Neither do I, but gamers who "grew out" of Nintendo apparently do.

That would be me I guess, since I thought the Wii along with its first party games was a huge disappointment for me.
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#23 locopatho
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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="locopatho"]They don't "need" M rated games, but it's always nice to have diversity. Games like Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Eternal Darkness and Resi 4 (I know they didn't publish that one...) add a very nice change to the usual cute n cuddly Nintendo games.

That's the thing though (since you brought up RE4), other third parties have added more adult stuff on the Wii like Grasshopper with No More Heroes, Platinum with Madworld, SEGA with House of the Dead, and of course, Activison with Call of Duty. It's not like it will be gone completely if Nintendo is able to get these developers/publishers to make these sort of games. It's just Nintendo won't do it because they won't get a thing out of it after their past experiences post-Perfect Dark.

Those Wii games you mention were good, but none of them reaches the heights of Nintendo games. I would like to see some more serious games from Ninty, to break up their tons of cute and cuddly stuff. Don't get me wrong, I love those games. But it's cool to have a Perfect Dark or a Metroid Prime in between your Mario and your Kirby :P (I don't really give a crap about the "M" rating, btw. I would take "mature" to mean a game that's a bit more serious, darker, and challenging. I don't think Metroid Prime is rated M but I would consider it a mature game, compared to more kid friendly stuff like Mario)
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I like how all Ng3's suck, even the original NG3 and all its ports and remakes.
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I like how all Ng3's suck, even the original NG3 and all its ports and remakes.StatusShuffle

There was only one NG3 released.:lol::lol::lol:

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They won't judge how well this game sells on the WiiU because they probably already know that it may not sell that well.

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[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"]I like how all Ng3's suck, even the original NG3 and all its ports and remakes.super600

There was only one NG3 released.:lol::lol::lol:

Yeah guess that NES game never existed and had no port :Roll: yeah might want to rethink that one bud.
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[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"]I like how all Ng3's suck, even the original NG3 and all its ports and remakes.StatusShuffle

There was only one NG3 released.:lol::lol::lol:

Yeah guess that NES game never existed and had no port :Roll: yeah might want to rethink that one bud.

We are not talking about the nes one.

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No.

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If there's such a thing as an "M rated market," I suggest we kill it with fire, because those must be the dumbest human beings ever to be born and are preventing the whole human kind from reaching its full potential.

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[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="super600"]

There was only one NG3 released.:lol::lol::lol:

super600

Yeah guess that NES game never existed and had no port :Roll: yeah might want to rethink that one bud.

We are not talking about the nes one.

Must be slow day at system wars. I said "I like how all versions of NG3 suck."
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[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] Yeah guess that NES game never existed and had no port :Roll: yeah might want to rethink that one bud.StatusShuffle

We are not talking about the nes one.

Must be slow day at system wars. I said "I like how all versions of NG3 suck."

Maybe in your opinion all of them sucked.

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[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] Yeah guess that NES game never existed and had no port :Roll: yeah might want to rethink that one bud.StatusShuffle

We are not talking about the nes one.

Must be slow day at system wars. I said "I like how all versions of NG3 suck."

Um.. No. You said "I like how all Ng3's suck". And you also said "even the original NG3 and all its ports and remakes." NG3 didn't have ports and remakes. And it sounds like you think all Ninja Gaiden games are called Ninja Gaiden 3.

Think before posting, maybe?

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I knew NG3 was going to the Wii U but I didn't know Nintendo was publishing it, so I take it Tecmo sold off another one of its IPs to Nintendo then, I mean when they developed Fatal Frame 4 for Nintendo they ended up handing over the entire franchise to Nintendo who plans to do nothing with it, guess we can pretty much write off seeing another Ninja Gaiden game after this since it already sucked on the Xbox 360 and PS3 and don't really see the Wii U version being much better, and after a failure of sales Nintendo will probably decide not to make another... anyhow, what's next, Dead or Alive?
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[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="super600"]

We are not talking about the nes one.

Litchie

Must be slow day at system wars. I said "I like how all versions of NG3 suck."

Um.. No. You said "I like how all Ng3's suck". And you also said "even the original NG3 and all its ports and remakes." NG3 didn't have ports and remakes. And it sounds like you think all Ninja Gaiden games are called Ninja Gaiden 3.

Think before posting, maybe?

He's talking about the Nes NG3,the PS3's version of the recent NG3 and the 360's version of the recent NG3.The Nes version is drastically different then the other versions.It has no connections whatsoever to the other NG3's.

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[QUOTE="Litchie"]

[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] Must be slow day at system wars. I said "I like how all versions of NG3 suck."super600

Um.. No. You said "I like how all Ng3's suck". And you also said "even the original NG3 and all its ports and remakes." NG3 didn't have ports and remakes. And it sounds like you think all Ninja Gaiden games are called Ninja Gaiden 3.

Think before posting, maybe?

He's talking about the Nes NG3,the PS3's version of the recent NG3 and the 360's version of the recent NG3.The Nes version is drastically different then the other versions.It has no connections whatsoever to the other NG3's.

Well, that explains it. Thought this conversation was seriously weird.. :P
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I knew NG3 was going to the Wii U but I didn't know Nintendo was publishing it, so I take it Tecmo sold off another one of its IPs Nintendo then, I mean when they developed Fatal Frame 4 for Nintendo they ended up handing over the entire franchise to Nintendo who plans to do nothing with it, guess we can pretty much write off seeing another Ninja Gaiden game after this since it already sucked on the Xbox 360 and PS3 and don't really see the Wii U version being much better, and after a failure of sales Nintendo will probably decide not to make another... anyhow, what's next, Dead or Alive?lamprey263
Nintendo doesn't own Ninja Gaiden, they are only publishing this a similar way they did Resident Evil: Revelations. And I doubt Nintendo would want the DoA franchise after the poor performance of Dimensions.
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[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="super600"]

We are not talking about the nes one.

Litchie

Must be slow day at system wars. I said "I like how all versions of NG3 suck."

Um.. No. You said "I like how all Ng3's suck". And you also said "even the original NG3 and all its ports and remakes." NG3 didn't have ports and remakes. And it sounds like you think all Ninja Gaiden games are called Ninja Gaiden 3.

Think before posting, maybe?

So NG3 has no ports or remakes? You sure you want to sound stupid. I said all the versions of NG# sucked, including the modern version. The NES version and all it's ports/enchancements are bad. If you think the original NG3 has no ports you need help.
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[QUOTE="Litchie"]

[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] Must be slow day at system wars. I said "I like how all versions of NG3 suck."super600

Um.. No. You said "I like how all Ng3's suck". And you also said "even the original NG3 and all its ports and remakes." NG3 didn't have ports and remakes. And it sounds like you think all Ninja Gaiden games are called Ninja Gaiden 3.

Think before posting, maybe?

He's talking about the Nes NG3,the PS3's version of the recent NG3 and the 360's version of the recent NG3.The Nes version is drastically different then the other versions.It has no connections whatsoever to the other NG3's.

Never said they were related, with the exception that all versions of NG3 and the modern NG3 are both panned universally.
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[QUOTE="Litchie"]

[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] Must be slow day at system wars. I said "I like how all versions of NG3 suck."StatusShuffle

Um.. No. You said "I like how all Ng3's suck". And you also said "even the original NG3 and all its ports and remakes." NG3 didn't have ports and remakes. And it sounds like you think all Ninja Gaiden games are called Ninja Gaiden 3.

Think before posting, maybe?

So NG3 has no ports or remakes? You sure you want to sound stupid. I said all the versions of NG# sucked, including the modern version. The NES version and all it's ports/enchancements are bad. If you think the original NG3 has no ports you need help.

I wasn't aware of that the NES game was called "NG3". Which you could see in my earlier post. And, I just looked it up. It wasn't even called "NG3", but NG3: The Ancient Ship of Doom. So there's that.

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#42 StatusShuffle
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[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="Litchie"]

Um.. No. You said "I like how all Ng3's suck". And you also said "even the original NG3 and all its ports and remakes." NG3 didn't have ports and remakes. And it sounds like you think all Ninja Gaiden games are called Ninja Gaiden 3.

Think before posting, maybe?

Litchie

So NG3 has no ports or remakes? You sure you want to sound stupid. I said all the versions of NG# sucked, including the modern version. The NES version and all it's ports/enchancements are bad. If you think the original NG3 has no ports you need help.

I wasn't aware of that the NES game was called "NG3". Which you could see in my earlier post. And, I just looked it up. It wasn't even called "NG3", but NG3: The Ancient Ship of Doom. So there's that.

Yey abbreviated it was known as "NG3" for NINJA GAIDEN 3. You know this, don't try backpedal illusions.
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Last chance? Wii U launch lineup- Zombie U, Batman AA, Ninja Gaiden 3, Darksiders 2, Mass effect 3, Assasins Creed 3

thats quite a few adult themed games just on Wii U launch.

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Will it be really good is what I want to know.

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No. Their last chance isn't going to be a sh1tty game.
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#46 nameless12345
Member since 2010 • 15125 Posts

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

To be honest, I don't know why they are even publishing that game. It would be better if they published some Resident Evil title since that has actually some chance to succeed on their platforms, as a M-rated title.

nintendoboy16

After what happened with Resident Evil: Revelations, I doubt that would have worked.

How about a Code Veronica or Resi 2 remake developed exclusively for Wii U?