Counterstrike the last Skill-based Shooter?

Na. Im pretty sure Quake 3 Arena and UT 2004 came out way after it. But its definately the top dog when it comes down to skill.

UT2K4, hello there.

Well, I would say UT3 does because really, what's changed since UT04? Which is whypeople give it crap but I like it.

Quake live and UT2004 take far more skill to master than CS imo. If you were a really good player on CS you would do really well yes, but on Quake 3 Ut2004 the pro's are literally impossible to kill even once...

Well, I would say UT3 does because really, what's changed since UT04? Which is whypeople give it crap but I like it.

Kiyobear

Movement is much simpler, it there for takes less skill to master.

Well, I would say UT3 does because really, what's changed since UT04? Which is whypeople give it crap but I like it.

Kiyobear

[QUOTE="Kiyobear"]

Well, I would say UT3 does because really, what's changed since UT04? Which is whypeople give it crap but I like it.

Kusimekaa

Movement is much simpler, it there for takes less skill to master.

I have never once thought to myself it's easier to move in UT3, that sounds odd to me.

Edit: now that I think about it that sounds like BS to me. Easier to move? what the hell? It's the same thing.

[QUOTE="Kiyobear"]

Well, I would say UT3 does because really, what's changed since UT04? Which is whypeople give it crap but I like it.

mgs_freak91

The twenty or thirty of us that love UT3 should all get together for a drink some day.

[QUOTE="Kusimekaa"]

[QUOTE="Kiyobear"]

Well, I would say UT3 does because really, what's changed since UT04? Which is whypeople give it crap but I like it.

Kiyobear

Movement is much simpler, it there for takes less skill to master.

I have never once thought to myself it's easier to move in UT3, that sounds odd to me.

Edit: now that I think about it that sounds like BS to me. Easier to move? what the hell? It's the same thing.

If you seriously believe that the movement in UT3 is not easier then you must not of played much UT2004. UT2004 is a LOT faster, with dodge jumps which UT3 doesn't contain. Faster movement = Harder to aim = more skill needed. Seriously go play some UT2004 and join a clan server or something, and you're see what i mean when you struggle to get even one kill. I never had that problem in UT3 (then again it's not like it has much clans, the game's almost dead)

[QUOTE="Kiyobear"]

[QUOTE="Kusimekaa"]

Movement is much simpler, it there for takes less skill to master.

Kusimekaa

I have never once thought to myself it's easier to move in UT3, that sounds odd to me.

Edit: now that I think about it that sounds like BS to me. Easier to move? what the hell? It's the same thing.

If you seriously believe that the movement in UT3 is not easier then you must not of played much UT2004. UT2004 is a LOT faster, with dodge jumps which UT3 doesn't contain. Faster movement = Harder to aim = more skill needed. Seriously go play some UT2004 and join a clan server or something, and you're see what i mean when you struggle to get even one kill. I never had that problem in UT3 (then again it's not like it has much clans, the game's almost dead)

First off, I will never struggle to get one kill in a UT game. No, I have not played UT04 in years, though. Felt the same to me. Easier to aim? Whatever. It plays like UT and I think *cough* sometimes fans of an older game will be down on a newer game because of little, tiny changes.Which is what I think the case is here. I still double jump off walls and crap in UT3.

UT3 is dead, though. However, I enjoy UT3 (for the most part) more. Same game slicker visuals.

[QUOTE="Kusimekaa"]

[QUOTE="Kiyobear"]

I have never once thought to myself it's easier to move in UT3, that sounds odd to me.

Edit: now that I think about it that sounds like BS to me. Easier to move? what the hell? It's the same thing.

Kiyobear

If you seriously believe that the movement in UT3 is not easier then you must not of played much UT2004. UT2004 is a LOT faster, with dodge jumps which UT3 doesn't contain. Faster movement = Harder to aim = more skill needed. Seriously go play some UT2004 and join a clan server or something, and you're see what i mean when you struggle to get even one kill. I never had that problem in UT3 (then again it's not like it has much clans, the game's almost dead)

First off, I will never struggle to get one kill in a UT game. No, I have not played UT04 in years, though. Felt the same to me. Easier to aim? Whatever. It plays like UT and I think *cough* sometimes fans of an older game will be down on a newer game because of little, tiny changes.Which is what I think the case is here. I still double jump off walls and crap in UT3.

UT3 is dead, though. However, I enjoy UT3 (for the most part) more. Same game slicker visuals.

No do not misunderstand me i do not look down on newer game's just cause there different, the reason i wasn't too fond of UT3 was cause it really lacked some serious polish and the game felt like a step backwards rather than a step forwards. I was really hyped for UT3.

As you said, you havn't played Ut04 in years, if you compare them side by side you will realise Ut04 is a lot faster, meaning it takes more skill to aim, that's pretty common knowledge. Faster target = Harder to shoot.

I also enjoyed UT3, but it lacked some new guns, and some new gamemodes to make it exciting and fresh. The graphics were amazing, however due to it lacking my favourite game mode (last man standing) i just couldn't really get into the game. I'm really hoping for a step forwards and seeing some new things in UT4 or whatever.

socom whether you like it or not as a game took skill. like with what you said, burst or single shot for far and pray and spray didnt get you farriver_rat3117

[QUOTE="river_rat3117"]socom whether you like it or not as a game took skill. like with what you said, burst or single shot for far and pray and spray didnt get you farwstfld

Stop acting like COD4 doesn't take skill, I bet you would die in 2 seconds, yes noob tube abusers make the game less enjoyable but that doesn't take the skill out of the game...

Quake Live.....easily.

While I think CS takes a lot of skill, Tribes and Tribes 2 take the most most skill out of any FPS I have played.

Red Orchestra is somewhere in there too.

Difficulty order 1) is hardest 5) is easiest

1) Tribes (You had to manually ski.. which was a pain)
2) Tribes 2
3) Red Orchestra (No real hud/crosshair, 1 shot kills, no arrows or team indicators.. hardcore game)
4) CS 1.6 (You can't spray as much as you can in Source)
5) CS:Source

Say, I've never played Counter Strike and I got a question. It sounds alot like Call of Duty being that you die in so few bullets so why does everyone say CS takes soo much skill yet refer to COD as an easy game for noobs?FerdMertz

Exactly, casual duty takes alot of dedication to become good at. I mean look, it has triple health when dying 3 times. Oh and perks, they really enhance and balance the gameplay of an FPS.

While I think CS takes a lot of skill, Tribes and Tribes 2 take the most most skill out of any FPS I have played.

Red Orchestra is somewhere in there too.

Difficulty order 1) is hardest 5) is easiest

1) Tribes (You had to manually ski.. which was a pain)
2) Tribes 2
3) Red Orchestra (No real hud/crosshair, 1 shot kills, no arrows or team indicators.. hardcore game)
4) CS 1.6 (You can't spray as much as you can in Source)
5) CS:Source

zero_snake99

I miss tribes, I wish they would re-make it =

Like other have said there is stuff like Quake 3 and UT2K4. Anyway some of us like stuff like Swat 4, Arma, Ghost Recon, so that bunny hopping, quick dashing, multi jumping stuff becomes irelevant to proper skill based shooters that focus on reticule simulation mostly.

Stop acting like COD4 doesn't take skill, I bet you would die in 2 seconds, yes noob tube abusers make the game less enjoyable but that doesn't take the skill out of the game...

ps3wizard45

When us real FPS/TPS fans talk about games requiring skill, we mean it as Joe Random can't decide one day "I want to play Counter Strike or SOCOM" and go insanely positive with most kills on his team.

In COD, Joe Random can say "hey I heard COD was fun, I'm going to go play it" and he'll go 30-10 easily. Unless you're blind there is no reason why you shouldn't dominate in a game that simplified. It's beyond casualized and if you look at the hitboxes you can see that.

If COD4 takes skill why is the Pro Mod for it basically CS For Nubs?

[QUOTE="zero_snake99"]

While I think CS takes a lot of skill, Tribes and Tribes 2 take the most most skill out of any FPS I have played.

Red Orchestra is somewhere in there too.

Difficulty order 1) is hardest 5) is easiest

1) Tribes (You had to manually ski.. which was a pain)
2) Tribes 2
3) Red Orchestra (No real hud/crosshair, 1 shot kills, no arrows or team indicators.. hardcore game)
4) CS 1.6 (You can't spray as much as you can in Source)
5) CS:Source

Uptown

I miss tribes, I wish they would re-make it =

Stop acting like COD4 doesn't take skill, I bet you would die in 2 seconds, yes noob tube abusers make the game less enjoyable but that doesn't take the skill out of the game...

ps3wizard45

You actually had to aim in Counterstrike, with single shots or burst shots from a far, and to spray you needed to pull your mouse a ceratin way to accuratley straighten the bullets. You could also shoot through walls if you could hear footsteps, and the hitbox would actually be the same as if the enemy was really behind the wall. The damage would just be a little weaker, but if you headshot through a wall, it's going to hit the head. Was this the last skill-based FPS? I know Halo is more stradegy, and vehicles, spraying and stuff, but Counterstrike had a uniqueness in each weapon. The guns actually recoil that you had to master in order to control your shots without retreatingcubemovies

Iv been playing CS 1.6 all day and i reckon that Halo 3 is more skill based, but only just.

Stop acting like COD4 doesn't take skill, I bet you would die in 2 seconds, yes noob tube abusers make the game less enjoyable but that doesn't take the skill out of the game...

I am pretty sure Killzone 2 takes skill. Why? Becuase even rocket luancher noobs do not do much. I could use an assault rifle and kill a rocket launcher player easily. The game pretty much takes skill than most shooters this generation. :D

[QUOTE="Uptown"]

[QUOTE="zero_snake99"]

While I think CS takes a lot of skill, Tribes and Tribes 2 take the most most skill out of any FPS I have played.

Red Orchestra is somewhere in there too.

Difficulty order 1) is hardest 5) is easiest

1) Tribes (You had to manually ski.. which was a pain)
2) Tribes 2
3) Red Orchestra (No real hud/crosshair, 1 shot kills, no arrows or team indicators.. hardcore game)
4) CS 1.6 (You can't spray as much as you can in Source)
5) CS:Source

zero_snake99

I miss tribes, I wish they would re-make it =

[QUOTE="zero_snake99"]

[QUOTE="Uptown"]

I miss tribes, I wish they would re-make it =

PannicAtack

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

[QUOTE="zero_snake99"] I'm pretty sure there is a browser based version, if not freeware version. There is a new version of T2. www.tribesnext.com (if that doesn't work, google it). It's completely free since they dropped server support. It's amazing.

Makari

Need more skill to walk in Quake Live than playing CS...agff9

Stop acting like COD4 doesn't take skill, I bet you would die in 2 seconds, yes noob tube abusers make the game less enjoyable but that doesn't take the skill out of the game...

ps3wizard45

CoD 4 takes skill? Hmm... the hitboxes are big. The aim is sticky. The game design is extremely forgiving. Yes, I'd say it takes little to no skill. The game is geared towards a massive, mainstream audience. It's not even trying to be a skill based shooter. Stop trying to make CoD out to be something it wasn't ever trying to be.

[QUOTE="ps3wizard45"]

Stop acting like COD4 doesn't take skill, I bet you would die in 2 seconds, yes noob tube abusers make the game less enjoyable but that doesn't take the skill out of the game...

CoD 4 takes skill? Hmm... the hitboxes are big. The aim is sticky. The game design is extremely forgiving. Yes, I'd say it takes little to no skill. The game is geared towards a massive, mainstream audience. It's not even trying to be a skill based shooter. Stop trying to make CoD out to be something it wasn't ever trying to be.

[QUOTE="ps3wizard45"]

Stop acting like COD4 doesn't take skill, I bet you would die in 2 seconds, yes noob tube abusers make the game less enjoyable but that doesn't take the skill out of the game...

ThePRAssassin

When us real FPS/TPS fans talk about games requiring skill, we mean it as Joe Random can't decide one day "I want to play Counter Strike or SOCOM" and go insanely positive with most kills on his team.

In COD, Joe Random can say "hey I heard COD was fun, I'm going to go play it" and he'll go 30-10 easily. Unless you're blind there is no reason why you shouldn't dominate in a game that simplified. It's beyond casualized and if you look at the hitboxes you can see that.

If COD4 takes skill why is the Pro Mod for it basically CS For Nubs?

[QUOTE="ThePRAssassin"]

[QUOTE="ps3wizard45"]

Stop acting like COD4 doesn't take skill, I bet you would die in 2 seconds, yes noob tube abusers make the game less enjoyable but that doesn't take the skill out of the game...

When us real FPS/TPS fans talk about games requiring skill, we mean it as Joe Random can't decide one day "I want to play Counter Strike or SOCOM" and go insanely positive with most kills on his team.

In COD, Joe Random can say "hey I heard COD was fun, I'm going to go play it" and he'll go 30-10 easily. Unless you're blind there is no reason why you shouldn't dominate in a game that simplified. It's beyond casualized and if you look at the hitboxes you can see that.

If COD4 takes skill why is the Pro Mod for it basically CS For Nubs?

Eh, I think that Halo takes skill. 2nd one imo

I'll give you my gamertagCicatraz_ESP

[QUOTE="ThePRAssassin"]

When us real FPS/TPS fans talk about games requiring skill, we mean it as Joe Random can't decide one day "I want to play Counter Strike or SOCOM" and go insanely positive with most kills on his team.

In COD, Joe Random can say "hey I heard COD was fun, I'm going to go play it" and he'll go 30-10 easily. Unless you're blind there is no reason why you shouldn't dominate in a game that simplified. It's beyond casualized and if you look at the hitboxes you can see that.

If COD4 takes skill why is the Pro Mod for it basically CS For Nubs?

Call me crazy but in my experience Team Fortress 2 requires some skill. And there are 9 unique ways you can learn to play.

Quake Live.skrat_01

I agree. Those people are insanely good.