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#1 Caseytappy
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What's up with the graphics obsession that Cows have lately ?

Last gen. the difference between the Xbox and PS2 was much bigger compared to the PS3 vs 360 now but i don't remember Lemmings declaring every damn game coming out the new " Graphics King " !

We are 4 years in this generation so Console hardware is pretty dated and inferior compared to a good PC and it shows but some Cows even think the best looking PS3 games top the best PC has to offer now , funny because most Cows claim to own a monster PC so they should be informed enough to know how laughable that statement is .

Are they maybe starting to realise that last place in sales , the only thing they thought was important last gen. is probably permanent now but still have to claim some sort of victory ??

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#2 iP-freely
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I think you care way too much.

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#3 Internet-Troll
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Its called being PROUD. I guess your console doesnt make you PROUD. I know Im PROUD. Uncharted 2 is PROUD, gow 3 is PROUD, , Heavy rain is PROUD, . They Should just change the name of ps3 to PROUD.
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Its called being PROUD. I guess your console doesnt make you PROUD. I know Im PROUD. Uncharted 2 is PROUD, gow 3 is PROUD, , Heavy rain is PROUD, . They Should just change the name of ps3 to PROUD.Internet-Troll

:lol:

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#5 washd123
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its because they were promised that the ps3 is the most powerful gaming system and that it was worth the $599

so every time a game has slightly better graphics they praise it like its god

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#6 Caseytappy
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Trey Pride ??

:lol:

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#7 EmperorSupreme
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I don't see Cows saying their games are better than PC.
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#8 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Caseytappy"]

Trey Pride ??

:lol:

:lol: well played sir ... well played
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#9 Caseytappy
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I don't see Cows saying their games are better than PC.EmperorSupreme

You don't , now really ??

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#10 jonnyt61
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The reason? Because there isn't massive difference. If there were, there wouldn't be any need to discuss it, and try to argue one over the other, as there would be a clear winner. The simple fact there is hardly any difference just means people can try to argue which is better. That's all.
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#11 IFBB-PRO
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whats even more funny is in the past thread someone asked what TV most people use on system wars and good majority answered that they stilll use SDTV or old crappy hdtvs. All that talk about graphic kings and yet majority dont even have HDTV to notice the difference.

Fact of the matter is xbox360 and ps3 might as well be same console they dont produce enough of a difference to notice on which console game is running. Only thing that matters this gen is how good developers are since 360 and ps3 pretty much the same, not enough to tell the difference like with those 2 compared to Wii.

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#12 88mphSlayer
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well yeah

generally speaking so far this gen the PS3 started out behind on graphics and has now crept up to about a 1-2 year leap ahead of the 360, that said a leap ahead doesn't necessarily mean being impossible on the 360 so much as simply spending more time and money on graphics earlier than the competition

i've always said that ps3 owners should be happy with the developer talent they've got making them games, and not hype the hardware so much

but that still doesn't stop 'em from hyping their games as better looking than crysis

not to mention everytime a game comes out now, the immediate hype is graphics and the long-term hype well... still graphics

yet all the games that end up being successful are largely successful because of things other than graphics, somehow creating a dangerous rift in the universe where a console's fanboys underrate their games lol

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#13 EmperorSupreme
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[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]I don't see Cows saying their games are better than PC.Caseytappy

You don't , now really ??

Occasionally I've seen a cow say something like that, but you have lemmings do the same occasionally too. You didn't forget about "the leaves" already did you? :) It goes both ways, I usually just think it's funny.
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[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"][QUOTE="Caseytappy"]

I don't see Cows saying their games are better than PC.EmperorSupreme

You don't , now really ??

Occasionally I've seen a cow say something like that, but you have lemmings do the same occasionally too. You didn't forget about "the leaves" already did you? :) It goes both ways, I usually just think it's funny.

The leaves is from like 2 years ago! (and one of the better SW threads :P) Almost every day theres a PS3 game is better than crysis thread, its relentless.
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#15 SaltyMeatballs
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I think the graphics king (console) debate needs to end, we just need to accept that certain games look good and that's it. No graphics king label because they don't seem to last longer than a year on consoles.
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i will go check my history book, it's along long story .

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#17 Nike_Air
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I was impressed and glad to have games that looked like MGS2-3 , God of War I-II , SotC , Okami , etc. Nothing has really changed. Now it's MGS4 , GoW III , Killzone 2 , Uncharted , etc.

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#18 EmperorSupreme
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The leaves is from like 2 years ago! (and one of the better SW threads :P) Almost every day theres a PS3 game is better than crysis thread, its relentless.blue_hazy_basic

Maybe I'm not realizing these guys are serious. I always figured they were just joking around :o

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#19 Racer_XLR
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Just shrug and move on. This "graphics king" stuff is getting old.
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]The leaves is from like 2 years ago! (and one of the better SW threads :P) Almost every day theres a PS3 game is better than crysis thread, its relentless.EmperorSupreme

Maybe I'm not realizing these guys are serious. I always figured they were just joking around :o

Its about 50/50 I'd say ...
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#21 Bus-A-Bus
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Cows are setting them selves for big fail.They dont even realize what kind of developers "they" have.After all,this is time of crisis,and there wont be another consoles for at least two years,good luck with thinking 360 wont pump something special out.Because you seriously have to be mental to think that Gears 2 is all that 360 can do.A lot of answers will be answered at E3...

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#22 TintedEyes
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Yeah lemmings definitely don't do the same, especially with Alan Wake. Oh and nobody but a few fakeboys say PS3 games are better than Crysis.
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#23 Javy03
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It's not "cows" who are obsessed with graphics but ALL OF SW. And for good reason, with all the big conversation being about NEW games, the only thing we can actually discuss about games that nobody has played is how they look. Not to mention the fact that people look for any reason to boost their system. Now let's not forget how much talk GEOW got from MS fanboys when it was the first Console Graphics king this gen. As for all these supposed Sony fanboys claiming that the PS3 produces better graphics then a PC, I think this is HIGHLY exaggerated. A couple extreme fanboys make a claim and somehow they represent an entire group of console owners??
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#24 Javy03
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Cows are setting them selves for big fail.They dont even realize what kind of developers "they" have.After all,this is time of crisis,and there wont be another consoles for at least two years,good luck with thinking 360 wont pump something special out.Because you seriously have to be mental to think that Gears 2 is all that 360 can do.A lot of answers will be answered at E3...

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I don't think people believe that the 360 won't pump out something beautiful. I just think that for the most part the PS3 seems to be ahead of the game when it comes to developing graphics intensive games. The 360 started console graphic king with GEOW and hasn't been able to one up the PS3 since. For the most part the graphics king for consoles seems to be a race between Sony developers.
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#25 SaltyMeatballs
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[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

Cows are setting them selves for big fail.They dont even realize what kind of developers "they" have.After all,this is time of crisis,and there wont be another consoles for at least two years,good luck with thinking 360 wont pump something special out.Because you seriously have to be mental to think that Gears 2 is all that 360 can do.A lot of answers will be answered at E3...

Javy03
I don't think people believe that the 360 won't pump out something beautiful. I just think that for the most part the PS3 seems to be ahead of the game when it comes to developing graphics intensive games. The 360 started console graphic king with GEOW and hasn't been able to one up the PS3 since. For the most part the graphics king for consoles seems to be a race between Sony developers.

Indeed, they'll be racing to beat Alan Wake.
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#26 Floppy_Jim
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You care way too much about the cows who care way too much about graphics.

Perhaps I care way too much about the people who care way too much about the cows who care way too much about graphics.

Someone probably cares way too much about the fact that I care way too much about the people who care way too much about the cows who care way too much about graphics.

So who cares. I probably had a point to make somewhere but it's long forgotten now.

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#27 surrealnumber5
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Its called being PROUD. I guess your console doesnt make you PROUD. I know Im PROUD. Uncharted 2 is PROUD, gow 3 is PROUD, , Heavy rain is PROUD, . They Should just change the name of ps3 to PROUD.Internet-Troll
makes me think of lisa simpson's song ""born to runner-up"
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#28 Javy03
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[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

Cows are setting them selves for big fail.They dont even realize what kind of developers "they" have.After all,this is time of crisis,and there wont be another consoles for at least two years,good luck with thinking 360 wont pump something special out.Because you seriously have to be mental to think that Gears 2 is all that 360 can do.A lot of answers will be answered at E3...

SaltyMeatballs
I don't think people believe that the 360 won't pump out something beautiful. I just think that for the most part the PS3 seems to be ahead of the game when it comes to developing graphics intensive games. The 360 started console graphic king with GEOW and hasn't been able to one up the PS3 since. For the most part the graphics king for consoles seems to be a race between Sony developers.

Indeed, they'll be racing to beat Alan Wake.

I am really not seeing what some 360 owners are seeing in Alan Wake. It looks like a pretty game but I don't see the same kind of attention to detail that Uncharted 2 had. Maybe the final product might be drastically different but my hype isn't very high for Alan Wake.
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#29 chaplainDMK
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Its not cows. Its SW this gen.

Its just that usualy lems dont try anything for now since PS3 has been holding graphics king since 2 years ago (me thinks). I still remember how there were lots of "GeoW2 vs KZ2" and "GT5 vs Forza 3" threads from both sides last year. I guess it calmed down for now.

We'll i suspect all hell is gonna break loose when Alan Wake comes out...

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#30 88mphSlayer
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Cows are setting them selves for big fail.They dont even realize what kind of developers "they" have.After all,this is time of crisis,and there wont be another consoles for at least two years,good luck with thinking 360 wont pump something special out.Because you seriously have to be mental to think that Gears 2 is all that 360 can do.A lot of answers will be answered at E3...

Bus-A-Bus

heh i remember in 2007 people were saying Gears 1 maxed out the 360 and used "90%" of its power and things wouldn't get better looking

people always forget the console industry as a whole moves forward whether they're 1st party Sony or 1st party Microsoft or 3rd party

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[QUOTE="Internet-Troll"]Its called being PROUD. I guess your console doesnt make you PROUD. I know Im PROUD. Uncharted 2 is PROUD, gow 3 is PROUD, , Heavy rain is PROUD, . They Should just change the name of ps3 to PROUD.surrealnumber5
makes me think of lisa simpson's song ""born to runner-up"

This is true, the Console graphics king is only a battle for runner up but at the same time it is heavily crippled from competing with the PC. I mean the PC has the HUGE advantage of devs not being limited to one set of specs for making their games so devs can allow for higher resolutions and textures for those few people with souped up rigs. The consoles can't do that. They commit one time to their set of specs and have to rock those specs for 5-10 years. So honestly losing to the PC in overall graphics king is not something to be ashamed of. It never stood a fair chance.
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#32 AndyAlfredo
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Maybe because the games on the PS3 with good graphics are actually good games? Just a thought...

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#33 Shielder7
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What's up with the graphics obsession that Cows have lately ?

Last gen. the difference between the Xbox and PS2 was much bigger compared to the PS3 vs 360 now but i don't remember Lemmings declaring every damn game coming out the new " Graphics King " !

We are 4 years in this generation so Console hardware is pretty dated and inferior compared to a good PC and it shows but some Cows even think the best looking PS3 games top the best PC has to offer now , funny because most Cows claim to own a monster PC so they should be informed enough to know how laughable that statement is .

Are they maybe starting to realise that last place in sales , the only thing they thought was important last gen. is probably permanent now but still have to claim some sort of victory ??

Caseytappy

Yes Lemmings do as well how many threads have you seen titled Mass Effect 2 better Graphics than Uncharted 2 or something along those lines? As soon as AW comes out Lemmings will start again, than Cows when there next Ps3 Graphics AAAA comes out. It's a never ending cycle but Cows are no more to blame than Lemmings.

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Internet-Troll"]Its called being PROUD. I guess your console doesnt make you PROUD. I know Im PROUD. Uncharted 2 is PROUD, gow 3 is PROUD, , Heavy rain is PROUD, . They Should just change the name of ps3 to PROUD.Javy03
makes me think of lisa simpson's song ""born to runner-up"

This is true, the Console graphics king is only a battle for runner up but at the same time it is heavily crippled from competing with the PC. I mean the PC has the HUGE advantage of devs not being limited to one set of specs for making their games so devs can allow for higher resolutions and textures for those few people with souped up rigs. The consoles can't do that. They commit one time to their set of specs and have to rock those specs for 5-10 years. So honestly losing to the PC in overall graphics king is not something to be ashamed of. It never stood a fair chance.

the only part i disagree with is the souped up rigs part, at this point its cheap to outperform any console.
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hahha cows, they got them selfs carried away ,,, we must not forget all the times sony was behind

selling so good and they bragged., , and i told you , it was a fluke, , a 2 gen fluke , ,

the only reason people buy ps2s is because their ripped down versions of gamecube and xboxs

dont belive me

well look at these stats for ps1vs n64

ps1

controller port inputs-2

memory card inputs -2

format -scratchable disc

plus load times

graphics-32 bit partially 3d mostly 2d

original controller-a snes pad with handles no rumble or joysticks

after n64-2 analog and rumble where eventually added

nintendo 64

number of avialable controller ports-4

number of meory card slots- as many controllers you have, -their in the controller , thus you can buy 10 controllers andh ave 10 to use without switching memory cards

graphics-fully 3d 64 bit

medium-very durable cartridge

perfect dark biggest fps known besides the later released timesplitters series made by same people, is on the n64 and now its on 360 as of mar 17 10

gamecube/xbox/ps2 era

ps2-

dvd playback

controller ports-2

mem card-2

same controller as remade ps1

supposivly 128 bit system , but it has graphics akin to dreamcast

dreamcast

number of controller ports-4

memcard-2 per controller max on at once -8

cd playback

disc format -specail disc sega used

gamecube

controller ports-4

memory card-2

various adapters-gb player etc

disc format mini optical disc

graphics -2x better then ps2

xbox

controller ports -4

dvd functionw addon./kit

graphics slightly better then gc

mem cards-8 max -2 per controller

so ya

um ps2 was at the end of the stick as was ps1

in comparision to its competitors at the time

today

they may be a head graphically-though not being hsown/proven

they are so behind interms of games /sales

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Like I have said before PS3 is the very last in system sales PS3 is last in amount of games 360 and PC have more AAA,AA, and A games then the PS3 360 has higher software attach rate PS3 is last in software sales Anything not pure opinion the PS3 is LAST so the PS3 fans latch on to the one thing that is pure opinion and hold it tight because anything else they are LAST so graphics is pure opinion so their only option
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I remember this old poll thread where tons of PS3 fans thought Uncharted 2 was graphically superior to Crysis. The poll had like 400+ votes for Crysis and around 140 for Uncharted 2. I doubt those 140 votes were from 2-3 fakeboys.

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Internet-Troll"]Its called being PROUD. I guess your console doesnt make you PROUD. I know Im PROUD. Uncharted 2 is PROUD, gow 3 is PROUD, , Heavy rain is PROUD, . They Should just change the name of ps3 to PROUD.Javy03
makes me think of lisa simpson's song ""born to runner-up"

This is true, the Console graphics king is only a battle for runner up but at the same time it is heavily crippled from competing with the PC. I mean the PC has the HUGE advantage of devs not being limited to one set of specs for making their games so devs can allow for higher resolutions and textures for those few people with souped up rigs. The consoles can't do that. They commit one time to their set of specs and have to rock those specs for 5-10 years. So honestly losing to the PC in overall graphics king is not something to be ashamed of. It never stood a fair chance.

The problem with this is they usually don't. If they set there system requirements too high not enough people will be able to run it or run it very well which will lead to most people passing on it, so they're limited on the strength of the general populations PC at the time of release. When they make a game for the 360 / Ps3 everyone can run it on max settings. No one ever considers buying a Ps3 /360 Game and wonders if there Ps3 /360 will be able to run it.
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[QUOTE="SilentlyMad"]Like I have said before PS3 is the very last in system sales PS3 is last in amount of games 360 and PC have more AAA,AA, and A games then the PS3 360 has higher software attach rate PS3 is last in software sales Anything not pure opinion the PS3 is LAST so the PS3 fans latch on to the one thing that is pure opinion and hold it tight because anything else they are LAST so graphics is pure opinion so their only option

Why would PS3 owners care about sales and attach rates?
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#40 madmenno
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The fact that people are proud about the graphics of games like GoW says enough to me. The games maybe pretty and PC games may or may not have better graphics but how the hell can you enjoy such crappy gameplay like these games and 99% of the console games count for me. Do you really find pushing in fixed button combinations fun, even dynamic button combinations suck, i always thought those mini games where for korean arcade hall players? I just stick with the oldies on the PC with 800*600 resolution but stunning gameplay. My motto "If i wanna see good graphics in a game, i just have a good game with my girlfriend"
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Its called being PROUD. I guess your console doesnt make you PROUD. I know Im PROUD. Uncharted 2 is PROUD, gow 3 is PROUD, , Heavy rain is PROUD, . They Should just change the name of ps3 to PROUD.Internet-Troll

have my babies. now THAT is a system wars post.

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[QUOTE="SilentlyMad"]Like I have said before PS3 is the very last in system sales PS3 is last in amount of games 360 and PC have more AAA,AA, and A games then the PS3 360 has higher software attach rate PS3 is last in software sales Anything not pure opinion the PS3 is LAST so the PS3 fans latch on to the one thing that is pure opinion and hold it tight because anything else they are LAST so graphics is pure opinion so their only optionTintedEyes
Why would PS3 owners care about sales and attach rates?

Fine do not care about sales but that was not the only thing I mentioned. What is the PS3 beating the 360 in when it comes to anything in the real world?

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#44 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="SilentlyMad"]Like I have said before PS3 is the very last in system sales PS3 is last in amount of games 360 and PC have more AAA,AA, and A games then the PS3 360 has higher software attach rate PS3 is last in software sales Anything not pure opinion the PS3 is LAST so the PS3 fans latch on to the one thing that is pure opinion and hold it tight because anything else they are LAST so graphics is pure opinion so their only optionSilentlyMad

Why would PS3 owners care about sales and attach rates?

Fine do not care about sales but that was not the only thing I mentioned. What is the PS3 beating the 360 in when it comes to anything in the real world?

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#45 TintedEyes
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[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="SilentlyMad"]Like I have said before PS3 is the very last in system sales PS3 is last in amount of games 360 and PC have more AAA,AA, and A games then the PS3 360 has higher software attach rate PS3 is last in software sales Anything not pure opinion the PS3 is LAST so the PS3 fans latch on to the one thing that is pure opinion and hold it tight because anything else they are LAST so graphics is pure opinion so their only optionSilentlyMad

Why would PS3 owners care about sales and attach rates?

Fine do not care about sales but that was not the only thing I mentioned. What is the PS3 beating the 360 in when it comes to anything in the real world?

Graphics and exclusives it seems.
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#46 SilentlyMad
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[QUOTE="SilentlyMad"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"] Why would PS3 owners care about sales and attach rates?TintedEyes

Fine do not care about sales but that was not the only thing I mentioned. What is the PS3 beating the 360 in when it comes to anything in the real world?

Graphics and exclusives it seems.

So like I said only opinions

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#47 Lethargika
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I think each console owner has to have something that they can call their own. They want to be intentified with something. 360 fans hold tight to their sales for the most part, and rightly so. Ps3 fans tend to flaunt their systems graphical capabilities which are arguably a cut above the rest (cept PC). That's just the way I see it.

Then each of them turn around and try to bring down the other, for example: 360 fan shouts, "GRAPHICS AREN'T EVERYTHING!"........Ps3 fan shouts: "LOL SALES!".

that's pretty much it really.

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#48 TheSterls
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its because they were promised that the ps3 is the most powerful gaming system and that it was worth the $599

so every time a game has slightly better graphics they praise it like its god

washd123

Its the Professional media that praises the games, not just cows. Not my fault the PS3 is producing some of the best looking titles out .

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#49 Javy03
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[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="SilentlyMad"]Like I have said before PS3 is the very last in system sales PS3 is last in amount of games 360 and PC have more AAA,AA, and A games then the PS3 360 has higher software attach rate PS3 is last in software sales Anything not pure opinion the PS3 is LAST so the PS3 fans latch on to the one thing that is pure opinion and hold it tight because anything else they are LAST so graphics is pure opinion so their only optionSilentlyMad

Why would PS3 owners care about sales and attach rates?

Fine do not care about sales but that was not the only thing I mentioned. What is the PS3 beating the 360 in when it comes to anything in the real world?

Exclusives exist in the real world and for the most part its exclusives are of high quality and much more recent. The PS3 is the only system to have a AAAAE game. I mean do you honestly think that in the "real world" people care that GRAW is on the 360 and is a AAA? We all know that people who are fans of GRAW are off playing GRAW 2 or something else by now. Let's not try to put "real world" rules in SW becaise in reality people don't think their purchases through or over analyze their purchase like we do. They buy what's on sale, what their friends have, what they can afford, what they can't afford, what looks pretty, they buy things for a variety of reasons aside from what we argue which is library. The 360 has a great library but for the most part currently it looks better on paper then when you break everything down. It's exclusive releases are dwindling and not up to the same quality as the PS3s. It's top scoring games are not very diverse, just looking at GEOW 1, 2, Halo 3, Halo ODST, Froza 2 and 3, you can see it's reliance on a couple of franchises. In the end all systems are doing fine but the 360 has lost a lot of the steam people got excited for in 2007.
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#50 TintedEyes
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[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="SilentlyMad"]Fine do not care about sales but that was not the only thing I mentioned. What is the PS3 beating the 360 in when it comes to anything in the real world?

SilentlyMad

Graphics and exclusives it seems.

So like I said only opinions

Well using metacritic its 7 exclusives over 90 for PS3 and 5 for 360, I would use GS but their spreadsheets not updated last I checked, but it doesn't matter I see you use metacritic also.