[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="dhjohns"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="-Beowulf"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="-Beowulf"]That would certainly make SW more entertaining for a few... years.dhjohns
Why? Both Sony and Microsoft fans have argued that you have to pay for quality. If PSN wants to improve to the point that it would be adding features that would require subscriber fees to maintain, wouldn't it just reinforce this shared truth?PSN and LIVE already charge for a great deal of their content, and HOME will be charging for premium content. The future of both LIVE and PSN will be a debate between an all-inclusive monthly fee, free basic access with premium services bought ala carte, or a mixture. I'd prefer it to one way or the other (either ala carte or all-inclusive) but either model is fine so long as the services exist.
True, but "teh free online" has always been a major point Cows bring up when arguing for the PS3. With that gone, what do they have? A service that they have to pay for that still won't be as good as Xbox Live.
Other than a handful of vocal people, a few rarely active posters, and an abundant community of fakeboys, how many "cows" are really left? The presence of the Sony fan is as absent as the PC fan lately from these forums. If and when that day comes, if the Sony fanbase remains as dormant as it has been lately, it will be a large number of Nintendo and Microsoft fans yelling "ownage" to no one.
Those who chose to argue that PSN was the sole reason the PS3 is "superior" to the 360 are ignorant - you can't support a $600 console on the basis that you have to pay for quality, and then turn around and critize the higher cost of a better service. In any case, we'll see what happens, I'm not denying that it would be a huge SW victory, just debating whether it would be the end of the world. I'd like to see both services become free, because paying $50 a year each for two different online services would make it much harder for someone to enjoy owning both a PS3 and a 360... $100 in online fees is ridiculous. At least if they both go ala carte, you're only paying for the unique content on each platform, instead of paying just for basic service.
System Wars - where I can't post in a single thread without a 360 fanatic trying to "prove" that Mass Effect isn't a sequel to KOTOR in the same way Perfect Dark is the sequel to Golden Eye. It has been the same "wii is blah blah blah casual" and "360 is awesome" posts for a few weeks now. It's not that I don't agree, it's just that it's really boring hearing the same arguements I made (in a more articulate way) months ago being rehashed by the low-end of the totem pole (aka the people who are just spamming stuff, without any real understand of the arguements they're using). I'd like a debate with a little more fight. And no, the current generation of Sony fans in the forums right now aren't the same people we were debating after E3 2005. Different era entirely for Sony fans. We have reached the "rephrase and move on" era of system wars - I think the "you're paying for quality" quote is dead on, that would become the new battle cry, sure, but there aren't enough people eloquently defending Sony right now for System Wars to even be a fight if that announcement was made.
Really feels like a lot of the people debating now don't understand the metagame of System Wars at all.
I agree entirely that creative arguements in here have dropped off dramaticly. Do you really think all the real "cows" have disappeared or are they laying low waiting to declare ownage later in the war? Just curious.
The people we're going to call cows later are laying low, but it's pretty hard to say "there are a lot of eloquent Sony fans left" when you're lucky to see one solid "pro-PS3" post in a day. I would certainly be concerned about how much more loyalty we're going to see if Sony gets more bad news. We'll see a resurgence of Sony supporters if Sony announces a price drop this year, and certainly following the big game releases, but since "riiiiiiiiiidge racer" (e3 2006), "motorflop" (motorstorm not AAA), and the general sales decline of the PS3, there hasn't been a lot of vocal support. I think we had a lot of people in SW through march 2007 who were in Europe and still hyped for launch, and with that a few months past, the Sony support really has declined dramatically.The PS3 isn't dying with a bang, it's more like someone dying, unnoticed, in a big city - people are just walking by, not even aware of the train wreck that's going on right next to them. It's a sad state right now, so to directly answer your question, I don't know. I don't want to make the term "fanboy" only for people who stick with a company through thick-and-thin because I think brand loyalty is a form of mental illness, but at the same time, they're sony fanboys, Sony needs them, where are they?
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