Cows seem to think...

Sony is taking the high road and that they aren't in it for the money, if you think this you are more delusional than Sony thinking they could buy Apple. :lol: 

get real, this is a business and every corporation involved is doing it solely for profit, and will strategize their efforts based on the market.

I've got news - If MS goes "casual" and makes more money than Sony this generation, guess what Sony is doing NEXT generation.  

Sh!it thread...

You're taking this waay too hhhnnnnngggggggggggggAckad

I'm not necessarily 100% cow, but I do think Sony is going to profit well by going in their direction.  Nintendo was banking on the casual gamer coming back for the WiiU, but what we've all seen is that when you turn your back on the core gamer, there is no energy behind your product.  It will be interesting to see if XBox went in that same direction as well.

It almost seems like basic logic, but it escapes people and it sure is fun making fun of the cows no matter what.  Still, it's the hardcore gamer that shows up on launch day waiting in line for a game machine.  It's the hardcore gamer that buys a console at full price.  It is also that following you get in your first year or two that makes developers decide where they want to go with their games.

Long story short, you can hate on the cows, but there is some shred of logic behind the frenzy right now.  They might not even see it, but they will play a part in it and the developers will follow.

You're taking this waay too hhhnnnnngggggggggggggAckad

Yes and no. Whilst companies are oriented largely on profit, and maximizing that profit. Tailoring your product to the intended audience is incredibly important. This is why we are seeing companies constantly upgrading and streamlining their services. Microsoft has been at the forefront for overhauling their entire UI on the 360, and introducing many multimedia options into their system. This is to entice and tailor an experience to the end-user.

Furthermore, coming in last to penetrate a huge, new, market... Isn't always the best idea. Look at Sony and the Move. Kinect, at the very least, had a ginormous marketing push, which really helped it to gain traction. It was also new... Move, to the common folk, merely looked like the Wii's control scheme.

[QUOTE="Ackad"]You're taking this waay too hhhnnnnngggggggggggggScottMescudi

sony is selling buildings just to keep us happy. we never asked for such selflessness. :(

[QUOTE="ScottMescudi"][QUOTE="Ackad"]You're taking this waay too hhhnnnnngggggggggggggDragonfireXZ95

Yes and no. Whilst companies are oriented largely on profit, and maximizing that profit. Tailoring your product to the intended audience is incredibly important. This is why we are seeing companies constantly upgrading and streamlining their services. Microsoft has been at the forefront for overhauling their entire UI on the 360, and introducing many multimedia options into their system. This is to entice and tailor an experience to the end-user.

Furthermore, coming in last to penetrate a huge, new, market... Isn't always the best idea. Look at Sony and the Move. Kinect, at the very least, had a ginormous marketing push, which really helped it to gain traction. It was also new... Move, to the common folk, merely looked like the Wii's control scheme.

lundy86_4

In terms of money making (including marketing, target audience, etc.) MS is much more successful overall as a company, just look at the stock prices. It's assumed that Sony is making finanially bad decisions in order to make their userbase happy, this is NOT true. 

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Yes and no. Whilst companies are oriented largely on profit, and maximizing that profit. Tailoring your product to the intended audience is incredibly important. This is why we are seeing companies constantly upgrading and streamlining their services. Microsoft has been at the forefront for overhauling their entire UI on the 360, and introducing many multimedia options into their system. This is to entice and tailor an experience to the end-user.

Furthermore, coming in last to penetrate a huge, new, market... Isn't always the best idea. Look at Sony and the Move. Kinect, at the very least, had a ginormous marketing push, which really helped it to gain traction. It was also new... Move, to the common folk, merely looked like the Wii's control scheme.

THE_Rob_Himself

In terms of money making (including marketing, target audience, etc.) MS is much more successful overall as a company, just look at the stock prices. It's assumed that Sony is making finanially bad decisions in order to make their userbase happy, this is NOT true. 

See, you guys live in a bubble.  Microsoft has a champion product in Windows.  Nintendo has a strong name by the Wii, yes, but before that the Gameboy helped them tough out even the N64 crush.  Meanwhile, Sony sold two generations ina  row of 120million+ consoles and became synonimous with gaming..

So, connect the dots for yourself.  Stock prices are purely motivated by market psychology.  Do you really want to wager bets on PS4 not being funded and capitalised going into this?  Because that is what it sounds like..  and I think you have the business sense of a dung beetle.

In terms of money making (including marketing, target audience, etc.) MS is much more successful overall as a company, just look at the stock prices. It's assumed that Sony is making finanially bad decisions in order to make their userbase happy, this is NOT true. 

THE_Rob_Himself

MS have an incredibly successful business model (just look at Live).

Sony is making the right decisions with regards to their userbase, but massive fumblings over the years are what is impacting them currently (not the only thing). More recently, we've seen the PS4 making waves, which isn't surprising for new hardware. However, Sony seem to have actually thought a lot about not releasing a clusterf*ck of a console again. I'm not sure where it's assumed that Sony are making bad decisions in order to make the userbase happy, though. I've simply seen people trying to spin a bad situation.

Didn't read, can you e-mail it to me?

 Riddle me this, riddle me that, Mr Stock-Wars.. What is going to happen to Sony's stock value and company image when it turns the 720 and WiiU to smoldering rubble?Shewgenja

nothing because it won't happen. 

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

 Riddle me this, riddle me that, Mr Stock-Wars.. What is going to happen to Sony's stock value and company image when it turns the 720 and WiiU to smoldering rubble?THE_Rob_Himself

nothing because it won't happen. 

 

See, you guys live in a bubble.  Microsoft has a champion product in Windows.  Nintendo has a strong name by the Wii, yes, but before that the Gameboy helped them tough out even the N64 crush.  Meanwhile, Sony sold two generations ina  row of 120million+ consoles and became synonimous with gaming..

 

So, connect the dots for yourself.  Stock prices are purely motivated by market psychology.  Do you really want to wager bets on PS4 not being funded and capitalised going into this?  Because that is what it sounds like..  and I think you have the business sense of a dung beetle.

Shewgenja

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

 

See, you guys live in a bubble.  Microsoft has a champion product in Windows.  Nintendo has a strong name by the Wii, yes, but before that the Gameboy helped them tough out even the N64 crush.  Meanwhile, Sony sold two generations ina  row of 120million+ consoles and became synonimous with gaming..

 

So, connect the dots for yourself.  Stock prices are purely motivated by market psychology.  Do you really want to wager bets on PS4 not being funded and capitalised going into this?  Because that is what it sounds like..  and I think you have the business sense of a dung beetle.

THE_Rob_Himself

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Nengo_Flow

cows seam to  think they have all the keys to post what ever lies they want and walk all over nin/sega/microsoft   ,

theyll start whining about the mistakes they made but sony is   oh so perfect right?? 

when ps4 launches at 499-599.99  ill be in the corner 

You're taking this waay too hhhnnnnngggggggggggggAckad

And yet, PS3 is the only system with an AAAE this year. :lol:

That's a loft assumption comparing two consoles that are neck and neck with each other and proclaiming that marketshare was taken by and from either of the two. Going back to fundamental problems with your business sense.. There was this thing called the Wii, you may have heard of it. It kind of took a giant portion of casual gamers and consumers. All that happened was MS and PS3 went after the same consumers and had relatively similar luck in doing so. Big shocker.Shewgenja

PS2: 70% of market
PS3: 30% of market

is that easier for you to understand? Either way you look at it both nintendo and MS took market away from sony making better business decisions.      

Lemmings seem to think that the rules are the same going into this generation as what was happening in 2005.  I argue that is the exact same flawed logic that led to the PS3 on Sony's behalf..  Thinking the rules were the same as the previous gen before it and using that gamble to leverage new products (aka bluray and cell) into the market and spending that capital with the gamers to some degree.

 Here we are in 2013, and Microsoft is making their big play for the "connected living room and content delivery service model"..  Do the words "Entertainment Supercomputer" ring a bell to anyone?  It's the exact same thing and MS didn't spend half a billion dollars to rebrand the 360 as some family friendly all encompassing casual box, sell Bungie and make Rare start pumping out Kinect games if they weren't going to put their energy in that space.  MS never wanted to get into the console engineering business and there are a few million red ringed 360s to prove exactly that.  MS sees the money in a service model..  If you think I am towing the same tired Cow line of "Microsoft has abandoned you", then by all means, allow Microsoft to explain in their own words tyvm!

http://www.edge-online.com/news/phil-harrison-future-of-xbox/

And you know what?  I think we'd all be a whole hell of a lot more tolerant of XBox 720 if it weren't for how we've seen them treat you as a customer.  Hell, we might even accept some of this "rah rah sis boom bah" bluster that MS and it's lemming followers have if it weren't for that nagging little fact that

[spoiler] They've never won a generation.  They haven't even broken 100 million consoles sold when you combine their current generation with their previous generation as of yet.. and..  Well, even Nintendo was able to go from the Gamecube to the Wii just like Sony went from nothing to the PS1 when it comes to market dominance. [/spoiler]

So, with all due respect.  Congratulations for going from selling something like 25million consoles or whetever to 70+ or whatever.  If you think you have that capital to spend at this market position on implementing your grander designs, all I can say is welcome to the third console curse.  Sony tread those waters and clearly moved forward.  I guess everyone has to learn the hard way and being a multibillion dollar software empire doesn't mean you can just not follow the rules.

Proof your precious Microsoft isn't even in the same galaxy as invincible as you pretend it is.

 

Proof your precious Microsoft isn't even in the same galaxy as invincible as you pretend it is.

Shewgenja

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Proof your precious Microsoft isn't even in the same galaxy as invincible as you pretend it is.

THE_Rob_Himself

Oh, look at that, it's 2005 again. I guess I got "owned".

 Oh, look at that, it's 2005 again. I guess I got "owned".Shewgenja

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

 Oh, look at that, it's 2005 again. I guess I got "owned".THE_Rob_Himself

It was all fun and games to throw barbs at Sony fans when you made this thread, but you just got whooped. Bu bu bu bu the PSP!!1111three Ohnoez! ..When in fact, I gave the Nintendo Gameboy its proper respect earlier in this thread. Have fun sticking your head in the sand. Here's another spoiler alert. When going down with a sinking ship, be sure to swim away from the air bubbling up.  The air lowers water density and makes you sink faster.

When in doubt, deflect. You can't argue my points with the 720 mirroring the PS3 (albeit, from a previous generation where the product brand is in some likelihood coming from third place behind it's competitors). This is all you guys do. Anything to keep from having a conversation about the relevancy of Microsoft's business model. It was all fun and games to throw barbs at Sony fans when you made this thread, but you just got whooped. Bu bu bu bu the PSP!!1111three Ohnoez! ..When in fact, I gave the Nintendo Gameboy its proper respect earlier in this thread. Have fun sticking your head in the sand. Here's another spoiler alert. When going down with a sinking ship, the water gets cold. So, bundle up.Shewgenja

And it worked like clockwork, too.  I knew by bringing up the Zune you'd go into pure poo-flinging mode.  MS fans are as predictable as Live fees.

But answer me this, funny guy.  What do you think would honestly happen if MS made a handheld?

Sony screwed it up with the PS3. Thats why they are pushing the PS4 as the gamers console. The easy to develop for console and hopefully the best priced console. The high up's in Sony's head office have made a change the captain of the HMS Playstation and it shows. clyde46

only time will tell the PS4's quality / success. My point in the OP was that Sony's plan for the PS4 (pushing it as the gamers console) is not a gift to gamers, it's a business model from a corporation that has receently made bad decisions. 

I'm not going to write an essay countering each of your points, facts are facts and Sony's business model is alot worse than MS OR Nintendo. I don't care if you like Playstation, don't try to tell me that Sony is doing its fans a favour when they release a new system.  THE_Rob_Himself

You won't because you can't.  That would require you researching the issue and thinking before you speak, which takes a heck of a lot mroe effort than throwing crap in every direction and hoping something sticks.

Good day sir!

Everytime I see a zune... I die a little. D:<

And it worked like clockwork, too.  I knew by bringing up the Zune you'd go into pure poo-flinging mode.  MS fans are as predictable as Live fees.

 

But answer me this, funny guy.  What do you think would honestly happen if MS made a handheld?

Shewgenja

[QUOTE="clyde46"]Sony screwed it up with the PS3. Thats why they are pushing the PS4 as the gamers console. The easy to develop for console and hopefully the best priced console. The high up's in Sony's head office have made a change the captain of the HMS Playstation and it shows. THE_Rob_Himself

only time will tell the PS4's quality / success. My point in the OP was that Sony's plan for the PS4 (pushing it as the gamers console) is not a gift to gamers, it's a business model from a corporation that has receently made bad decisions. 

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]That's a loft assumption comparing two consoles that are neck and neck with each other and proclaiming that marketshare was taken by and from either of the two. Going back to fundamental problems with your business sense.. There was this thing called the Wii, you may have heard of it. It kind of took a giant portion of casual gamers and consumers. All that happened was MS and PS3 went after the same consumers and had relatively similar luck in doing so. Big shocker.THE_Rob_Himself

PS2: 70% of market
PS3: 30% of market

is that easier for you to understand? Either way you look at it both nintendo and MS took market away from sony making better business decisions.      

[QUOTE="THE_Rob_Himself"]I'm not going to write an essay countering each of your points, facts are facts and Sony's business model is alot worse than MS OR Nintendo. I don't care if you like Playstation, don't try to tell me that Sony is doing its fans a favour when they release a new system.  Shewgenja

You won't because you can't.  That would require you researching the issue and thinking before you speak, which takes a heck of a lot mroe effort than throwing crap in every direction and hoping something sticks.

Good day sir!

    

The winner for last gen was clearly the Wii..They basically take almost all the market share..Sony and MS even out with each other.. Why do Lemming think MS dominate Sony? when there is no truth to it..Just look at the sales between the system..if MS sold 10 million more then the PS3 then you have something to talk about.. ...Sony made a lot of mistakes with the PS3 and they catch heat from it.I am glad that happen cuz it teach them a lesson.. They learn from it, why you think their trying to go back to the days that made the Playstation brand so popular and start over with the PS3 slim..i think its stupid for any fanboys to say that Sony and MS is not about the money..Its obvious that money is important to them.. I feel Sony did a awesome job satisfying gamers this gen with many great new ip games, free online and the Playstation+ subscription .You are getting FREE games from the services. They are willing invest money to please consumer, The happier they are, the more money Sony will get from them... What have MS done to please you guys? All they do is over price their accessories, shoving contents down everybody throat, and forcing you guys to pay xboxlive services just to use netflilx..stayhigh1

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

[QUOTE="THE_Rob_Himself"]I'm not going to write an essay countering each of your points, facts are facts and Sony's business model is alot worse than MS OR Nintendo. I don't care if you like Playstation, don't try to tell me that Sony is doing its fans a favour when they release a new system.  THE_Rob_Himself

You won't because you can't.  That would require you researching the issue and thinking before you speak, which takes a heck of a lot mroe effort than throwing crap in every direction and hoping something sticks.

Good day sir!

 Where are you going with this? Yes I will admit that Sony made a mistake with the PS3 but they are trying to correct that with the PS4. Gamers are the lifeblood of the Playstation arm of Sony. Without them they are going to fail. That is why Sony are trying to market the PS4 as the gamers console. Would you rather stick with MS and have Netflix and SKY shoved down your throat?clyde46

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="ScottMescudi"] LOL ScottMescudi

So, what you're saying is Stock price is everything. Do you know if there were any stock splits since 2001 even? Wait, nevermind. Let's run with this. Xbox 1 launched that year and ended up selling 25 million consoles. Since Sony's stock is roughly one tenth of what it used to be, that must mean Microsoft will sell ten times as many consoles, right? You heard it here first. folks. THE_Rob_Himself has just predicted that the Xbox 720 will sell 250 million units.Shewgenja

For the record.  Stock prices are arbitrary as eff.  If there is a split, then that means there are potentially twice as many stocks in the company at half the value at time of split.  You can have a stock price of $5, but if you have 200,000,000 stocks in circulation then you are really doing something.

The pros look at market capita and holdings when valuating a business.  Every time I see a thread where some wanna be market analyst starts talking about Sony going under, it makes me cringe..  Not as a Sony fan, but as someone who lives and breathes in the business world.  You guys really need to stop.  You can fool some people who don't know any better, but from what I have seen, there's a small circle of you who just seem to beleive each other.

Reality is, the PS4 is funded.  The studios making the games are funded.  The parent company aims at turning a profit for the fiscal year.  and... you have 0 ammunition.  Sony is absolutely not going to start chasing after the casual market.  All one needs to do is take notes on what is happening to the WiiU.  Sony will not wage war based on novelty alone.  Not when they know how to capitalize on an established fanbase.

You're taking this waay too hhhnnnnngggggggggggggAckad

Sony is taking the high road and that they aren't in it for the money, if you think this you are more delusional than Sony thinking they could buy Apple. :lol: 

get real, this is a business and every corporation involved is doing it solely for profit, and will strategize their efforts based on the market.

I've got news - If MS goes "casual" and makes more money than Sony this generation, guess what Sony is doing NEXT generation.  

THE_Rob_Himself

Of course, everybody knows that every company are in for the money. What is the point of this thread?

For the record.  Stock prices are arbitrary as eff.  If there is a split, then that means there are potentially twice as many stocks in the company at half the value at time of split.  You can have a stock price of $5, but if you have 200,000,000 stocks in circulation then you are really doing something.

 

The pros look at market capita and holdings when valuating a business.  Every time I see a thread where some wanna be market analyst starts talking about Sony going under, it makes me cringe..  Not as a Sony fan, but as someone who lives and breathes in the business world.  You guys really need to stop.  You can fool some people who don't know any better, but from what I have seen, there's a small circle of you who just seem to beleive each other.

 

Reality is, the PS4 is funded.  The studios making the games are funded.  The parent company aims at turning a profit for the fiscal year.  and... you have 0 ammunition.

Shewgenja

If you know business so well why didn't you just admit that my OP was true. Sony is not giving one to the fans with the PS4.