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#1 black_awpN1
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Which is more important in a game?
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#2 Radeon_X1950XTX
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 its harder to find tricks for gpu then it is for cpu, so i pick gpu

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#3 Marka1700
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Both.
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Uuuuuhh... learn2PC?
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#5 Iron-Dragon
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depends on the game

take cs:s for example, you can have the best gpu money can buy but if your processor is no good your fps arent going to be that spectacular

other games with less crazy physics engines will not require an amazing processor to run well

 

it just depends, but that being said its safe to say if either one is terrible youre screwed :D

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#6 Teuf_
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There's probably not a good answer to that question.  In general graphics processing power has been more important, as most games tend to be GPU-bound rather than CPU-bound.  But at the same time, a GPU is completely worthless for even the most menial of tasks generally handled by a CPU.
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#7 gnutux
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both. Without one or the other, game WILL NOT run. gnutux
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#8 Click_Clock
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Xbox360 is leaps ahead of the PS3

 

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#9 Corvin
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Both, pretty equally.  They both rely on each other having enough power to properly keep up pace.  If I have a modern, dual core, high powered CPU but with a GeForce 6200 slapped in as the GPU, obviously games are still going to run terrible.  If I could pop a 8800gts in to a 900mhz celeron machine, I'd be able to play some old games in nice high res with AA and AF settings but newer games would choke on the slow processor.
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#10 black_awpN1
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Xbox360 is leaps ahead of the PS3

 

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Click_Clock

 That has nothing to do with the question. 

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#11 cobrax75
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depends on the game.

 

Somre realy heavily on CPU, others on GPU. 

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#12 Click_Clock
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[QUOTE="Click_Clock"]

Xbox360 is leaps ahead of the PS3

 

/thread

black_awpN1

That has nothing to do with the question.

To the TC, trust me, its going that direction from the start of this thread.
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#13 Teuf_
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[QUOTE="black_awpN1"][QUOTE="Click_Clock"]

Xbox360 is leaps ahead of the PS3

 

/thread

Click_Clock

That has nothing to do with the question.

To the TC, trust me, its going that direction from the start of this thread.

Thanks to trolls like you its going in that direction.  :| 

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#14 black_awpN1
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[QUOTE="black_awpN1"][QUOTE="Click_Clock"]

Xbox360 is leaps ahead of the PS3

 

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Click_Clock

That has nothing to do with the question.

To the TC, trust me, its going that direction from the start of this thread.

yeah, your probaly right.  

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#15 rockstar183
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cpu  hands down .
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#16 vegnadragon
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This is like asking which is more important a brain or a heart, you Better have both.
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#17 rockstar183
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This is like asking which is more important a brain or a heart, you Better have both.vegnadragon

your brain come on . you can get a fake heart  

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#18 azrealhk
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It is like saying what is more important? The car or the driver. Both are important. In the end it depends on the skills of the programmers. E.g. The Cell is great for matrix transformations, so in theory if a game is GPU bound, you could get the cell to do all the vectors, and the transformations and rotations of all the vertices, whilst the GPU only handle the textures and shaders and effects etc. In the end it depends on the scene being rendered. Of course things like AI and general game loops are better done on the CPU.
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GPU.

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#20 WARRZONE
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Both is the correct answer.  I know that this is a thread is competing 360 (GPU) vs PS3 (CPU).  All I have to say is that thanks to the PS3's CPU, Lair is using progressive meshing... a good step foreward for games.  In very simple terms, a good CPU can make heavy calculations while the GPU displays them; therefore, you need both for a game.  

You will want a better GPU if graphics matter to you, but with the Wii's current success, it makes me question whether graphics are that important in a game to people. With the PS3's cell and the Wii's GPU, you could have killer AI, but not great graphics.  It really depends on the person I guess, whether or not they like graphics better or gameplay better.  I like a good mixture of both, so CPU and GPU are equally important to me.

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#21 TekkenMaster606
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Remember when Bitboys said it was developing a GPU you insert a CPU into? :lol:
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#22 GermanShepard06
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when the world gave birth to computers they didnt have gpu's.

Answer: cpu

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CPU. Within a year all consoles are completely outclassed graphically by PCs. The only thing that can be done at that point is advancement in things that use the CPU. The Cell has capabilities to assist in graphics and has much potential power. A stripped down 3 core CPU has provides little capability beyond what current PC games are already doing.

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#24 Teuf_
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CPU. Within a year all consoles are completely outclassed graphically by PCs. The only thing that can be done at that point is advancement in things that use the CPU. The Cell has capabilities to assist in graphics and has much potential power. A stripped down 3 core CPU has provides little capability beyond what current PC games are already doing.

Lazy_Boy88

That's somewhat true. On the PC, CPU's have to use out-of-order execution to support the massive amounts of unoptimized code and legacy apps. On a console, you can use a CPU like the Cell since you can exect most code to be at least somewhat optimized for that specific platform.

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#25 Solid-CELL
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i think its safe to say that the CPU is under looked and the GPU is over looked. More balance is needed.
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#26 gnutux
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[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"]

CPU. Within a year all consoles are completely outclassed graphically by PCs. The only thing that can be done at that point is advancement in things that use the CPU. The Cell has capabilities to assist in graphics and has much potential power. A stripped down 3 core CPU has provides little capability beyond what current PC games are already doing.

Teufelhuhn

That's somewhat true. On the PC, CPU's have to use in-order execution to support the massive amounts of unoptimized code and legacy apps. On a console, you can use a CPU like the Cell since you can exect most code to be at least somewhat optimized for that specific platform.

Both the CBE and Xenon are in-order-execution this era. gnutux
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#27 Teuf_
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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"]

CPU. Within a year all consoles are completely outclassed graphically by PCs. The only thing that can be done at that point is advancement in things that use the CPU. The Cell has capabilities to assist in graphics and has much potential power. A stripped down 3 core CPU has provides little capability beyond what current PC games are already doing.

gnutux

That's somewhat true. On the PC, CPU's have to use in-order execution to support the massive amounts of unoptimized code and legacy apps. On a console, you can use a CPU like the Cell since you can exect most code to be at least somewhat optimized for that specific platform.

Both the CBE and Xenon are in-order-execution this era. gnutux

Bah, I meant out-of-order.  I'm getting tired. 

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Generally speaking, the GPU is the most important componet when it comes to video games. However, some games are very CPU intensive (Half Life 2 for example).
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#29 haris12121212
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Uuuuuhh... learn2PC?NobuoMusicMaker

Off topic, but excellent sig bro, Vancouver owns and so does Luango :p 

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#30 TyrantDragon55
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when the world gave birth to computers they didnt have gpu's.

Answer: cpu

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GermanShepard06

I don't think they had video games in mind when they designed the first PC.

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#31 elementz28
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why do you even bother no one here works with it before..lol..
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#32 Teuf_
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why do you even bother no one here works with it before..lol..elementz28

You think no one here has ever worked with a CPU and GPU?   

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#33 gnutux
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[QUOTE="elementz28"]why do you even bother no one here works with it before..lol..Teufelhuhn

You think no one here has ever worked with a CPU and GPU?

I think he meant programming them. gnutux
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#34 Teuf_
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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

[QUOTE="elementz28"]why do you even bother no one here works with it before..lol..gnutux

You think no one here has ever worked with a CPU and GPU?

I think he meant programming them. gnutux

I know.  Problem is I've programmed both. 

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#35 gnutux
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[QUOTE="gnutux"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

[QUOTE="elementz28"]why do you even bother no one here works with it before..lol..Teufelhuhn

You think no one here has ever worked with a CPU and GPU?

I think he meant programming them. gnutux

I know. Problem is I've programmed both.

lol, i c. gnutux
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#36 imprezawrx500
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here is your answer http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/02/01/agp-platform-analysis/page1.html

in new games a ancent athlon xp2500+ is still good enough for new games up to 30fps but a gf7600gt isn't and a amd 64 3400+ is good enough for 39fps on high in oblivion with a x1950 pro vs 30fps for the 2500+ so a cpu 1-2 years newer gives 10fps while a gpu while the gpu upgrade makes a big difference.

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[QUOTE="gnutux"]both. Without one or the other, game WILL NOT run. gnutux

Games where around a LONG time before the GPU. It was all about the software render untill the Vodoo (and other early 3d Accelerators) came out.
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#38 imprezawrx500
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both. Without one or the other, game WILL NOT run. gnutuxgnutux

amd 3400+ with rx1950 pro>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> core 2 duo e6600 with gf 6600gt

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Both, pretty equally.  They both rely on each other having enough power to properly keep up pace.  If I have a modern, dual core, high powered CPU but with a GeForce 6200 slapped in as the GPU, obviously games are still going to run terrible.  If I could pop a 8800gts in to a 900mhz celeron machine, I'd be able to play some old games in nice high res with AA and AF settings but newer games would choke on the slow processor.Corvin

why take a cpu from late 90s and a gpu from 2005? 

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CPU. Within a year all consoles are completely outclassed graphically by PCs. The only thing that can be done at that point is advancement in things that use the CPU. The Cell has capabilities to assist in graphics and has much potential power. A stripped down 3 core CPU has provides little capability beyond what current PC games are already doing.

 

Lazy_Boy88

it provides capability over what pc game are doing now  but pc cpus outclassed x360's cpu the day it came out.  you could get a pc with 8-16 cores if you want.  its called dual and quad socket boards, but even a 2.66pd or amd x2 3600 owns the x360's cpu hands down.

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#41 imprezawrx500
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Generally speaking, the GPU is the most important componet when it comes to video games. However, some games are very CPU intensive (Half Life 2 for example).TyrantDragon55

hl2 doesn't take much of a cpu these days. a 2003 p4 3.06ghz is more than enough to run it maxed

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#42 Truth_Hurts_U
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The GPU is the most important part of a gaming rig next to the RAM.

GPU = RAM > CPU

Modern day GPU's rely less on CPU power. You can upgrade your GPU quite a few times, before you need to upgrade the CPU.

 

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#43 IgGy621985
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I've heard somewhere that Intel's supposely working on some graphics chip which will be able to calculate both GPU and CPU instructions.
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#44 takisse
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when the world gave birth to computers they didnt have gpu's.

Answer: cpu

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quoted for truth 

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#45 Truth_Hurts_U
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[QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

when the world gave birth to computers they didnt have gpu's.

Answer: cpu

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takisse

quoted for truth 

I can see you guys are behind in the times.

CPU's of the time only needed to display 2D text. As GUI's (OS's) were being made fancier, there became a need for a 2D GPU. As time went on, people were moving into the 3D space. That's the time 3D GPU's came about. They also added 3D instruction sets to CPU's (MMX and 3D Now).

Try to run a modern day game on just a CPU and see what happens.

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#46 Arnalion
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The GPU is more important, period.

It renders all the vertex based graphics. In other words, all the 3D.

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#47 X360PS3AMD05
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GPU. However they may be phased out in favor of co-processors.
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#48 Guor_ok_Gondul
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I have  an old system with a 3000+ inside its a 64 bit processor, it also has a 6800GT inside.

 

If I was aiming to play newer games and have them run smooth and at higher settings, I would buy a GPU. I f i wantedshorter load times and to be able to alt-tab without a problem then I would go with a CPU.

 

They are used for other things, but when it comes to consoles hands own the GPU should be the improvement. 

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ridiculous topic...... both
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#50 r3351925
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No way even any1 would know that the GPU is more needed in games Example:

INTEL c2q extreme + nvidia 6200, crap framerates,

Inter celeron D + Nvidia 8800GTX MUCH MUCH MUCH better frames.