Creativity can be achieved on any console.

Look at the revolution that was GTAIII. Look at RE4, SOTC, SM64 etc.

Games do not require a new controller to be creative. What they require are inventive devs who are willing to be unique. Although I'm sure there are bound to very unique games developed for the Wii in the future that will cause a revolution in the market like Brain Training and Nintendogs have done for DS...

There is no reason that creative/inventive/unique/innovative games can't be developed on the PS3, 360 or PC.

Nobody has any right to say (insert game here) would be better on a console/handheld with different controls because when it comes down to it, it's completely up to the devs.

What do you guys think?

But poor sales mean no one will get creative!

Developers are not interested in pushing their talents to the limits by creating new things and using their abilities to implement technologies and ideas that take advantage of one platform.

It's only about money. :| 

But poor sales mean no one will get creative!

 

TekkenMaster606

It's funny that this actually needs to be said.Teufelhuhn

I agree. This should go without saying.

The name "Wii" proves that :lol:

 What was Nintendo thinking when they changed it from Revolution to the Wii? So many sexual innuendos follow that name

And yes, each console can be creative/unique

Are we accepting nominations for System Wars poster of the year?  Because you've consistently delivered arguments that make sense in every way The-Very-Best... 

Now if only I had space for the Wall of Heroes in my sig...  (speaking of which, I wonder when I should start a special thread about who should be placed on the System Wars Dead to Me board) 

creative experiences can be created on any Console. The Wii, however, forces Developers to think creatively. Haziqonfire

 Same thing I wanted to bring up.  The only way a game can be good on the wii is if it's creative, and all around good.  They can't rely on flashy visuals to make a game wanted...

creative experiences can be created on any Console. The Wii, however, forces Developers to think creatively. Haziqonfire

How does it do that?  What's stopping a developer from making something like say...Red Steel?   

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]creative experiences can be created on any Console. The Wii, however, forces Developers to think creatively. Teufelhuhn

How does it do that? What's stopping a developer from making something like say...Red Steel?

it's just making developers think outside of the box more, but the other consoles do it as well.  

creative experiences can be created on any Console. The Wii, however, forces Developers to think creatively. Haziqonfire

I wouldn't say "forces" but it certainly could help. Since the graphics aren't fantastic devs could try to be creative and incorporate the Wiimote in a great way...However, devs could just be lazy and produce games like Far Cry Instincts.

I think just like the DS, the best Wii games will be Nintendo's own. 

Are we accepting nominations for System Wars poster of the year? Because you've consistently delivered arguments that make sense in every way The-Very-Best...

ssbfalco

Wow, thanks man. 

Yes true, but what is more likely.

A dev taking a risk for a game that costs 10 million to produce

or

A dev taking a risk for a game that costs 2 million to produce

You choose.

Fanbase also takes a big role. 

Compare and contrast the amount of unique games to the DS and 360 hell to the PSP also.

It's laughable. 

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]creative experiences can be created on any Console. The Wii, however, forces Developers to think creatively. Haziqonfire

How does it do that? What's stopping a developer from making something like say...Red Steel?

it's just making developers think outside of the box more, but the other consoles do it as well.  

I agree. Because the Wii is so different, there's bound to be things that people have not experienced before, while 360 and PS3 has to compete with previous 6 generations.

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]It can't be achieved on the 360 because it is American. Only Japanese developers know creativity, all the 360 knows is shooters.shungokustasu

QFT

Quoted for Truth or Quit ****ing Trolling? 

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]It can't be achieved on the 360 because it is American. Only Japanese developers know creativity, all the 360 knows is shooters.shungokustasu

QFT 

Yes true, but what is more likely.

A dev taking a risk for a game that costs 10 million to produce

or

A dev taking a risk for a game that costs 2 million to produce

Dencore

Compare and contrast the amount of unique games to the DS and 360 hell to the PSP also.

It's laughable.

Dencore

Sure, because we have such a good basis for measuring how "unique" a game is.

Of course we could compare the amount of AA-AAA games on the PSP/DS, and that would be laughable (for the DS, that is).

I agree creativity can be achieved on any console, but with rising costs for PS3/360 games, I don't really see that many developers taking a lot of creative risks. Most developers are going to play it safe and make games they know will sell well instead of going against the odds like Rare did with Viva Pinata. I thought Viva Pinata was an extremely creative game and look how poorly it sold despite being a really good game. Seriously most developers don't even have the guts to try something creative these days because they don't want to lose millions if the game ends up flopping sales wise. IMO, you will see the most creativity in Wii games, because developers are forced to be creative and think outside the box, or there games will just look boring.

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]It can't be achieved on the 360 because it is American. Only Japanese developers know creativity, all the 360 knows is shooters.DaysAirlines

QFT

Are you still joking or are you serious now? 

who the heck said it couldnt?

:? some fanboy?

http://speeddemosarchive.com/demo.pl?TraumaCenterSO_SS_Hard_14907      

This game would be impossible with a standard controller.

http://speeddemosarchive.com/demo.pl?TraumaCenterSO_SS_Hard_14907

This game would be impossible with a standard controller.

Stabby2486

Sure, but does that make it "creative"?  It's a remake of a DS game.  Would making a Wii port of a PC RTS be "creative", because it couldn't be done with a standard controller?  

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]It can't be achieved on the 360 because it is American. Only Japanese developers know creativity, all the 360 knows is shooters.shungokustasu

QFT

Are you still joking or are you serious now?

I'm beginning to wonder the same, and I was almost sure Days 1st post was sarcasm :| 

[QUOTE="Stabby2486"]

http://speeddemosarchive.com/demo.pl?TraumaCenterSO_SS_Hard_14907

This game would be impossible with a standard controller.

Teufelhuhn

Sure, but does that make it "creative"?  It's a remake of a DS game.  Would making a Wii port of a PC RTS be "creative", because it couldn't be done with a standard controller?  

I was replying to the "it's completely up to the devs" part.

[QUOTE="Dencore"]

Yes true, but what is more likely.

A dev taking a risk for a game that costs 10 million to produce

or

A dev taking a risk for a game that costs 2 million to produce

Teufelhuhn

Compare and contrast the amount of unique games to the DS and 360 hell to the PSP also.

It's laughable.

Dencore

Sure, because we have such a good basis for measuring how "unique" a game is.

Of course we could compare the amount of AA-AAA games on the PSP/DS, and that would be laughable (for the DS, that is).

It was just an example realistic or not if a game's cheaper devs take more risks. We're talking about creativity here not game quality and as you see with every what's better PSP or DS thread DS always takes the cake, grasping for straws I see. 

[QUOTE="Stabby2486"]

http://speeddemosarchive.com/demo.pl?TraumaCenterSO_SS_Hard_14907

This game would be impossible with a standard controller.

Teufelhuhn

Sure, but does that make it "creative"?  It's a remake of a DS game.  Would making a Wii port of a PC RTS be "creative", because it couldn't be done with a standard controller?  

Dude, you gotta admit that having more flexibility and more potential does make creativity easier for devs. The Wii and the DS owns in that area... Particularly the Wii.

[QUOTE="Stabby2486"]

http://speeddemosarchive.com/demo.pl?TraumaCenterSO_SS_Hard_14907

This game would be impossible with a standard controller.

Teufelhuhn

Sure, but does that make it "creative"?  It's a remake of a DS game.  Would making a Wii port of a PC RTS be "creative", because it couldn't be done with a standard controller?  

Dude, you gotta admit that having more flexibility and more potential does make creativity easier for devs. The Wii and the DS owns in that area... Particularly the Wii.

It was just an example realistic or not if a game's cheaper devs take more risks. We're talking about creativity here not game quality and as you see with every what's better PSP or DS thread DS always takes the cake, grasping for straws I see.

Dencore

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Stabby2486"]

http://speeddemosarchive.com/demo.pl?TraumaCenterSO_SS_Hard_14907

This game would be impossible with a standard controller.

Stabby2486

Sure, but does that make it "creative"? It's a remake of a DS game. Would making a Wii port of a PC RTS be "creative", because it couldn't be done with a standard controller?

I was replying to the "it's completely up to the devs" part.

Sorry, my mistake.  :oops: 

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Stabby2486"]

http://speeddemosarchive.com/demo.pl?TraumaCenterSO_SS_Hard_14907

This game would be impossible with a standard controller.

gamespot813

Sure, but does that make it "creative"? It's a remake of a DS game. Would making a Wii port of a PC RTS be "creative", because it couldn't be done with a standard controller?

Dude, you gotta admit that having more flexibility and more potential does make creativity easier for devs. The Wii and the DS owns in that area... Particularly the Wii.

Of course flexibility and potential are good for creativity. I just don't understand what makes anyone think that the Wii somehow has more flexibility than a PS3 (with the exception of Dencore and his dev cost argument).

Look at the revolution that was GTAIII. Look at RE4, SOTC, SM64 etc.

Games do not require a new controller to be creative. What they require are inventive devs who are willing to be unique. Although I'm sure there are bound to very unique games developed for the Wii in the future that will cause a revolution in the market like Brain Training and Nintendogs have done for DS...

There is no reason that creative/inventive/unique/innovative games can't be developed on the PS3, 360 or PC.

Nobody has any right to say (insert game here) would be better on a console/handheld with different controls because when it comes down to it, it's completely up to the devs.

What do you guys think?

the-very-best

YOU, TBC, are the scholar of gamespot :)

As the example games illustrate, innovation has always come in the gameplay first, where the contoller is just the means for us to access those features. 

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]It can't be achieved on the 360 because it is American. Only Japanese developers know creativity, all the 360 knows is shooters.DaysAirlines

QFT 

And Starcraft

And Warcraft

And System Shock

And Thief

>_>

[QUOTE="gamespot813"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Stabby2486"]

http://speeddemosarchive.com/demo.pl?TraumaCenterSO_SS_Hard_14907

This game would be impossible with a standard controller.

Teufelhuhn

Sure, but does that make it "creative"? It's a remake of a DS game. Would making a Wii port of a PC RTS be "creative", because it couldn't be done with a standard controller?

Dude, you gotta admit that having more flexibility and more potential does make creativity easier for devs. The Wii and the DS owns in that area... Particularly the Wii.

Of course flexibility and potential are good for creativity. I just don't understand what makes anyone think that the Wii somehow has more flexibility than a PS3 (with the exception of Dencore and his dev cost argument).

Well, the best way I can describe creativity is something no one has done before and is good for human beings. PS3 has not done something that hasn't been done before, and do not have as much potential as the Wii because it's competing against previous 6 generations. The Wii would have more potential. Right now, I don't see many people using that potential so the Wii can't really be called revolutionary (yet). it just feels like it's revolutionary, lol.

True. And it also should be noted that you don't need super-powerful hardware to be creative, either. The argument I hear against the Wii so much is that its lack of power restricts the creativity of the developers. It is as laughable an assertion as the assertion that the 360 and PS3 can't have creative games. >_>PannicAtack

Well, a lack of hardware restricts what you can do.  This means that the developers have a narrower "box" in which they can be creative.  So if a Wii designer has a creative idea (for example, being able to knock over a tree to use as cover or to hit a guy and kill him) the programmer might say "hmmm....I dunno, I don't think we can pull that off." 

Yes, creativity can be achieved anywhere. Howver, the Wii and DS push devs to be more creative than they'd normally be. Do you think Trauma Center or Nintendogs (ignoring the licensed name) would be on the PSP right now if the DS never existed? What about Elite Beat Agents? Do you think Boogie or Dragon Quest Swords, or even NiGHTS, would be on the 360 or PS3 or whatever next gen console Nintendo would've came up with if they didn't have motion sensing? More than likely not. There are certain opportunities only available through what Nintendo is offering to devs, and this is what sheep and many others base thier assumptions on when they say the wii is innovative.

Think of it this way. You are assigned an art project. You can pick one of three kits. Two kits offer a different varieties of colors, paints pencils, and erasers. The third offers a very basic array of those, but includes clay. The Wii is the third kit.

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]It can't be achieved on the 360 because it is American. Only Japanese developers know creativity, all the 360 knows is shooters.DaysAirlines

QFT

Except for the fact that first video game ever created was created by an American developer.

Many Japanese developers rehash uninspiring JRPG with same game machanics borrowed from other developers over and over.

All you guys say that because shooters tend to be more popular in the Western front, but you guys completely overlook other genre.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]creative experiences can be created on any Console. The Wii, however, forces Developers to think creatively. Teufelhuhn

How does it do that?  What's stopping a developer from making something like say...Red Steel?   

Think of it this way. You are assigned an art project. You can pick one of three kits. Two kits offer a different varieties of colors, paints pencils, and erasers. The third offers a very basic array of those, but includes clay. The Wii is the third kit.

kiruyama

That's a really good example, and I'd agree with it.

My point though is that creativity can be achieved on the two kits that "offer a different varieties of colors, paints pencils, and erasers" despite the fact that there isn't any clay. It all comes down to the artists and their ideas.