Cryengine 3 runs faster on 360...

when shader heavy and faster on ps3 when physics heavy.

Now this is not thread for bashing but i see some cows say that game if its made on each consoles ground up and not port it HAS to look better on ps3 because its more powerful(see what PR hype does,some people are still drinking KOOL AID).Well not according to Crytek and i may remind you that game is not port,its simultaneously made on PC,360 and ps3.

http://www.qj.net/qjnet/news/no-port-in-crysis-2-thanks-to-cryengine-3.html

http://www.destructoid.com/how-does-cryengine-3-run-differently-on-ps3-and-360--132464.phtml

"It's been tricky, but we've got a strong PS3 engine with all the major systems running on SPUs. With middleware, what you want is for someone else to do all that so the developer can just concentrate on making games. We have parity between the platforms now: both run at the same speed ... If the game's shader-heavy it runs a bit faster on 360; if it's compute-heavy with physics and particles, then the SPUs take over and it's a bit quicker on PS3."

when shader heavy and faster on ps3 when physics heavy.

Now this is not thread for bashing but i see some cows say that game if its made on each consoles ground up and not port it HAS to look better on ps3 because its more powerful(see what PR hype does,some people are still drinking KOOL AID).Well not according to Crytek and i may remind you that game is not port,its simultaneously made on PC,360 and ps3.

http://www.qj.net/qjnet/news/no-port-in-crysis-2-thanks-to-cryengine-3.html

http://www.destructoid.com/how-does-cryengine-3-run-differently-on-ps3-and-360--132464.phtml

"It's been tricky, but we've got a strong PS3 engine with all the major systems running on SPUs. With middleware, what you want is for someone else to do all that so the developer can just concentrate on making games. We have parity between the platforms now: both run at the same speed ... If the game's shader-heavy it runs a bit faster on 360; if it's compute-heavy with physics and particles, then the SPUs take over and it's a bit quicker on PS3."

Bus-A-Bus

Runs faster = better graphics..?

when shader heavy and faster on ps3 when physics heavy.

Now this is not thread for bashing but i see some cows say that game if its made on each consoles ground up and not port it HAS to look better on ps3 because its more powerful(see what PR hype does,some people are still drinking KOOL AID).Well not according to Crytek and i may remind you that game is not port,its simultaneously made on PC,360 and ps3.

http://www.qj.net/qjnet/news/no-port-in-crysis-2-thanks-to-cryengine-3.html

http://www.destructoid.com/how-does-cryengine-3-run-differently-on-ps3-and-360--132464.phtml

"It's been tricky, but we've got a strong PS3 engine with all the major systems running on SPUs. With middleware, what you want is for someone else to do all that so the developer can just concentrate on making games. We have parity between the platforms now: both run at the same speed ... If the game's shader-heavy it runs a bit faster on 360; if it's compute-heavy with physics and particles, then the SPUs take over and it's a bit quicker on PS3."

Bus-A-Bus

What's the game in your sig?

Oh, Halo. Damn.

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

when shader heavy and faster on ps3 when physics heavy.

Now this is not thread for bashing but i see some cows say that game if its made on each consoles ground up and not port it HAS to look better on ps3 because its more powerful(see what PR hype does,some people are still drinking KOOL AID).Well not according to Crytek and i may remind you that game is not port,its simultaneously made on PC,360 and ps3.

http://www.qj.net/qjnet/news/no-port-in-crysis-2-thanks-to-cryengine-3.html

http://www.destructoid.com/how-does-cryengine-3-run-differently-on-ps3-and-360--132464.phtml

"It's been tricky, but we've got a strong PS3 engine with all the major systems running on SPUs. With middleware, what you want is for someone else to do all that so the developer can just concentrate on making games. We have parity between the platforms now: both run at the same speed ... If the game's shader-heavy it runs a bit faster on 360; if it's compute-heavy with physics and particles, then the SPUs take over and it's a bit quicker on PS3."

Runs faster = better graphics..?

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

when shader heavy and faster on ps3 when physics heavy.

Now this is not thread for bashing but i see some cows say that game if its made on each consoles ground up and not port it HAS to look better on ps3 because its more powerful(see what PR hype does,some people are still drinking KOOL AID).Well not according to Crytek and i may remind you that game is not port,its simultaneously made on PC,360 and ps3.

http://www.qj.net/qjnet/news/no-port-in-crysis-2-thanks-to-cryengine-3.html

http://www.destructoid.com/how-does-cryengine-3-run-differently-on-ps3-and-360--132464.phtml

"It's been tricky, but we've got a strong PS3 engine with all the major systems running on SPUs. With middleware, what you want is for someone else to do all that so the developer can just concentrate on making games. We have parity between the platforms now: both run at the same speed ... If the game's shader-heavy it runs a bit faster on 360; if it's compute-heavy with physics and particles, then the SPUs take over and it's a bit quicker on PS3."

Baranga

What's the game in your sig?

Reach...

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

when shader heavy and faster on ps3 when physics heavy.

Now this is not thread for bashing but i see some cows say that game if its made on each consoles ground up and not port it HAS to look better on ps3 because its more powerful(see what PR hype does,some people are still drinking KOOL AID).Well not according to Crytek and i may remind you that game is not port,its simultaneously made on PC,360 and ps3.

http://www.qj.net/qjnet/news/no-port-in-crysis-2-thanks-to-cryengine-3.html

http://www.destructoid.com/how-does-cryengine-3-run-differently-on-ps3-and-360--132464.phtml

"It's been tricky, but we've got a strong PS3 engine with all the major systems running on SPUs. With middleware, what you want is for someone else to do all that so the developer can just concentrate on making games. We have parity between the platforms now: both run at the same speed ... If the game's shader-heavy it runs a bit faster on 360; if it's compute-heavy with physics and particles, then the SPUs take over and it's a bit quicker on PS3."

Baranga

What's the game in your sig?

Oh, Halo. Damn.

Halo Reach

[QUOTE="Aboogie5"]

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

when shader heavy and faster on ps3 when physics heavy.

Now this is not thread for bashing but i see some cows say that game if its made on each consoles ground up and not port it HAS to look better on ps3 because its more powerful(see what PR hype does,some people are still drinking KOOL AID).Well not according to Crytek and i may remind you that game is not port,its simultaneously made on PC,360 and ps3.

http://www.qj.net/qjnet/news/no-port-in-crysis-2-thanks-to-cryengine-3.html

http://www.destructoid.com/how-does-cryengine-3-run-differently-on-ps3-and-360--132464.phtml

"It's been tricky, but we've got a strong PS3 engine with all the major systems running on SPUs. With middleware, what you want is for someone else to do all that so the developer can just concentrate on making games. We have parity between the platforms now: both run at the same speed ... If the game's shader-heavy it runs a bit faster on 360; if it's compute-heavy with physics and particles, then the SPUs take over and it's a bit quicker on PS3."

Sollet

Runs faster = better graphics..?

Well shaders are graphics,physics=/= graphics.Im not saying it will look better,im just stating obvious when you make game heavy on physics,a.i and gfx,360 will have easier time rendering while ps3 on physics and a.i...

Well I dunno if any of you noticed but umm... there's usuaully a lot of physics and effects going on in action for Crysis so I think 360 will be the one with framerate issue IF either of them do.

PC says hi:)

Well I dunno if any of you noticed but umm... there's usuaully a lot of physics and effects going on in action for Crysis so I think 360 will be the one with framerate issue IF either of them do.

Mystic-G

LOL ANYONE WHO KNOWS ME SAID PS3 SHOULD WIN IN PHYSICS HEAVY AND 360 GRAPHICS HEAVY SITUATIONS.

LOL now dev's saying same crap as me

What an misleading tittle... they should lock this or change tittle, more like Cryteck explains console version of crysis 2.

What cryteck is saying is: lincense our engine causes it runs great on both consoles.

like i said xbox360 is better for graphics ps3 is better suited for heavy physics situations crytek is just telling everyone what i said back at e3 2005.

"compute-heavy with physics and particles, then the SPUs take over and it's a bit quicker on PS3"

it seems the PS3 "runs faster"

TC puts a quote that completly contradicts his OP

What cryteck is saying is: lincense our engine causes it runs great on both consoles.

ropumar

Noup...i intentionally wrote it that way so lemms and cows both hurl into thread :D

lol i really did say this same **** crytek just said 5 years ago.

console gamers should listen to pc gamers more.

They're talking about the engine, no games in particular. It makes sense I guess. 360 has a better GPU; PS3 has a better CPU.

I hope this engine turns out great. :P

They're talking about the engine, no games in particular. It makes sense I guess. 360 has a better GPU; PS3 has a better CPU.

I hope this engine turns out great. :P

SaltyMeatballs

common sense.

everyone keeps believeing rsx has more shader power LOL

when shader heavy and faster on ps3 when physics heavy.

Now this is not thread for bashing but i see some cows say that game if its made on each consoles ground up and not port it HAS to look better on ps3 because its more powerful(see what PR hype does,some people are still drinking KOOL AID).Well not according to Crytek and i may remind you that game is not port,its simultaneously made on PC,360 and ps3.

http://www.qj.net/qjnet/news/no-port-in-crysis-2-thanks-to-cryengine-3.html

http://www.destructoid.com/how-does-cryengine-3-run-differently-on-ps3-and-360--132464.phtml

"It's been tricky, but we've got a strong PS3 engine with all the major systems running on SPUs. With middleware, what you want is for someone else to do all that so the developer can just concentrate on making games. We have parity between the platforms now: both run at the same speed ... If the game's shader-heavy it runs a bit faster on 360; if it's compute-heavy with physics and particles, then the SPUs take over and it's a bit quicker on PS3."

Bus-A-Bus

LOL at the title, PS3 outperform X360 in certain situations and other way around. No one said that 360 version runs faster, you're such a lemming TC...

sayonara89

Did you even read what my post?I intentionally put runs faster on 360...when shader heavy and ps3 while physics.Just so more cows and lemms can come and see the real truth.

LOL at the title, PS3 outperform X360 in certain situations and other way around. No one said that 360 version runs faster, you're such a lemming TC...

sayonara89

Yeah, that ^

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

when shader heavy and faster on ps3 when physics heavy.

Now this is not thread for bashing but i see some cows say that game if its made on each consoles ground up and not port it HAS to look better on ps3 because its more powerful(see what PR hype does,some people are still drinking KOOL AID).Well not according to Crytek and i may remind you that game is not port,its simultaneously made on PC,360 and ps3.

http://www.qj.net/qjnet/news/no-port-in-crysis-2-thanks-to-cryengine-3.html

http://www.destructoid.com/how-does-cryengine-3-run-differently-on-ps3-and-360--132464.phtml

"It's been tricky, but we've got a strong PS3 engine with all the major systems running on SPUs. With middleware, what you want is for someone else to do all that so the developer can just concentrate on making games. We have parity between the platforms now: both run at the same speed ... If the game's shader-heavy it runs a bit faster on 360; if it's compute-heavy with physics and particles, then the SPUs take over and it's a bit quicker on PS3."

DBhova23

Engines? Yes, Frostbite (BC2), Avalanche (JC2) and A4 (Metro 2033), those engines were made as multiplatform engines, games on them looks and runs great on both consoles (but we don't have PS3 example of A4 game YET :P).

[QUOTE="sayonara89"]

LOL at the title, PS3 outperform X360 in certain situations and other way around. No one said that 360 version runs faster, you're such a lemming TC...

Bus-A-Bus

Did you even read what my post?I intentionally put runs faster on 360...when shader heavy and ps3 while physics.Just so more cows and lemms can come and see the real truth.

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

when shader heavy and faster on ps3 when physics heavy.

Now this is not thread for bashing but i see some cows say that game if its made on each consoles ground up and not port it HAS to look better on ps3 because its more powerful(see what PR hype does,some people are still drinking KOOL AID).Well not according to Crytek and i may remind you that game is not port,its simultaneously made on PC,360 and ps3.

http://www.qj.net/qjnet/news/no-port-in-crysis-2-thanks-to-cryengine-3.html

http://www.destructoid.com/how-does-cryengine-3-run-differently-on-ps3-and-360--132464.phtml

"It's been tricky, but we've got a strong PS3 engine with all the major systems running on SPUs. With middleware, what you want is for someone else to do all that so the developer can just concentrate on making games. We have parity between the platforms now: both run at the same speed ... If the game's shader-heavy it runs a bit faster on 360; if it's compute-heavy with physics and particles, then the SPUs take over and it's a bit quicker on PS3."

DBhova23

Noup.Only Crytek and Id have engines who are simultaneously developed on all 3 platforms.Everything you do on pc reflects on consoles,then engineers tweak it for every consoles strength.

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

[QUOTE="sayonara89"]

LOL at the title, PS3 outperform X360 in certain situations and other way around. No one said that 360 version runs faster, you're such a lemming TC...

sayonara89

Did you even read what my post?I intentionally put runs faster on 360...when shader heavy and ps3 while physics.Just so more cows and lemms can come and see the real truth.

Yea i HATE it to :D But those damn journalists surely know how to trick people.

[QUOTE="DBhova23"][QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

when shader heavy and faster on ps3 when physics heavy.

Now this is not thread for bashing but i see some cows say that game if its made on each consoles ground up and not port it HAS to look better on ps3 because its more powerful(see what PR hype does,some people are still drinking KOOL AID).Well not according to Crytek and i may remind you that game is not port,its simultaneously made on PC,360 and ps3.

http://www.qj.net/qjnet/news/no-port-in-crysis-2-thanks-to-cryengine-3.html

http://www.destructoid.com/how-does-cryengine-3-run-differently-on-ps3-and-360--132464.phtml

"It's been tricky, but we've got a strong PS3 engine with all the major systems running on SPUs. With middleware, what you want is for someone else to do all that so the developer can just concentrate on making games. We have parity between the platforms now: both run at the same speed ... If the game's shader-heavy it runs a bit faster on 360; if it's compute-heavy with physics and particles, then the SPUs take over and it's a bit quicker on PS3."

Bus-A-Bus

Noup.Only Crytek and Id have engines who are simultaneously developed on all 3 platforms.Everything you do on pc reflects on consoles,then engineers tweak it for every consoles strength.

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

[QUOTE="DBhova23"] 2nd link is old, from may 2009. Im sure both engines are improved from that time. ps: has there ever been a game that was built up for 3 different systems?sayonara89

Noup.Only Crytek and Id have engines who are simultaneously developed on all 3 platforms.Everything you do on pc reflects on consoles,then engineers tweak it for every consoles strength.

AFAIK there are only CE3 and Id tech 5...

[QUOTE="sayonara89"][QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

Noup.Only Crytek and Id have engines who are simultaneously developed on all 3 platforms.Everything you do on pc reflects on consoles,then engineers tweak it for every consoles strength.

Bus-A-Bus

AFAIK there are only CE3 and Id tech 5...

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

[QUOTE="sayonara89"] Nope, there are at least 3 engines besides CE3 ;)sayonara89

AFAIK there are only CE3 and Id tech 5...

Well Cristal tools is also said to be muliplat but that is not what i meant.In Cryengine 3 and Id tech 5 you actually run 3 platforms at the same time.You place lets say building in pc version and it instantly copies to 360 and ps3,you tweak lightning it reflects to consoles.Then when they are done with assets they tweak it for every console,meaning engineers will make it shine on each platform.

[QUOTE="sayonara89"][QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

AFAIK there are only CE3 and Id tech 5...

Bus-A-Bus

Well Cristal tools is also said to be muliplat but that is not what i meant.In Cryengine 3 and Id tech 5 you actually run 3 platforms at the same time.You place lets say building in pc version and it instantly copies to 360 and ps3,you tweak lightning it reflects to consoles.Then when they are done with assets they tweak it for every console,meaning engineers will make it shine on each platform.

But I don't hear anything like that about IDT5, any link? :)

like i said xbox360 is better for graphics ps3 is better suited for heavy physics situations crytek is just telling everyone what i said back at e3 2005.

yoyofroyoyoyo

I guess M$ first party devs just aren't that good then, cause they don't seem able to pull out the superior graphics. I would wager Crytek could definitely do a lot better with the Cell, but it took ND 4 years to get it down so I suppose you can't expect miracles from a 3rd party devs.

[QUOTE="ropumar"]

"compute-heavy with physics and particles, then the SPUs take over and it's a bit quicker on PS3"

it seems the PS3 "runs faster"

TC puts a quote that completly contradicts his OP

What cryteck is saying is: lincense our engine causes it runs great on both consoles.

Bus-A-Bus

Noup...i intentionally wrote it that way so lemms and cows both hurl into thread :D

i would never believe that a 3rd party developer developing on multiple platforms with financial constraints, history of poor optimization skills,and lack of expertize on the system could ever max the PS3 out...Besides, KZ2, U2, and GOW3 will all look better than Crysis 2 on consoles, quote me if you like

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

[QUOTE="sayonara89"] "Engines? Yes, Frostbite (BC2), Avalanche (JC2) and A4 (Metro 2033), those engines were made as multiplatform engines, games on them looks and runs great on both consoles (but we don't have PS3 example of A4 game YET )."sayonara89

Well Cristal tools is also said to be muliplat but that is not what i meant.In Cryengine 3 and Id tech 5 you actually run 3 platforms at the same time.You place lets say building in pc version and it instantly copies to 360 and ps3,you tweak lightning it reflects to consoles.Then when they are done with assets they tweak it for every console,meaning engineers will make it shine on each platform.

But I don't hear anything like that about IDT5, any link? :)

Yea they really really optimized it.For example they dont use hardware hogging forward rendering(it renders ALL polygons) while deferred only those visible to player.That will hugely improve fps,and it will take number of light sources to sky high(look at KZ2).

Here is Id...

http://consoles.gwn.com/news/story.php/id/13910/id_Tech_5_Designed_for_Multiplatform.html

"We already have the new tech running on those four platforms (PC, Mac, Xbox 360, and PlayStation 3) at a high frame rate with the identical assets which is sort of unheard of. There's no baking, there's no packaging process. You just make a change to the game, period, and it automatically applies to all the platforms so it's really a new paradigm.

We are trying to ensure that more people in the studio are working across different platforms simultaneously. We don't have the sort of stepchild platform that's going to be a year behind that you're going to try to pack it onto after the fact. We think about the game and all of the platforms which is what this technology allows you to do."

Carmack said that Doom 4 will look alot better on consoles then Rage,since it will run at 2x less fps.Also those megatexture thing :P awesomeee

Crytek and Id will change the way multiplats are made.It will be more economical,faster and it will look and run identical :)

Yeah I think it's because the 360 has more Ram that could be used.

Still think PS3 version will coem out better. They even went on record saying the PS3 is more suted to the game than 360.

This ones a bit better at this thing, and that ones a bit better at that thing. OH NOES!

I must find an argument for this been weaker at that, but better at this makes it overall better, even though mine is weaker at that. DAMN! Maybe we should just call it a fair balance :D

Even with shaders in mind I think PS3 will end up performining better in action if they actually utilize the 6-core tech. Physics and effects are a big part of Crysis and unless they nuked it the PS3 might become to winner between the two WHEN there's a bunch going on screen. People can point out shaders but Crytek isn't gonna let one of the consoles become choppy when they can help it. They can fix shaders, they can't always control the physics and effects going on because that's a variable left to the player. With that said I still doubt either will have frame-rate problems that is being overexaggerated in this case, not like anyone here has any hard numbers.

when shader heavy and faster on ps3 when physics heavy.

Now this is not thread for bashing but i see some cows say that game if its made on each consoles ground up and not port it HAS to look better on ps3 because its more powerful(see what PR hype does,some people are still drinking KOOL AID).Well not according to Crytek and i may remind you that game is not port,its simultaneously made on PC,360 and ps3.

http://www.qj.net/qjnet/news/no-port-in-crysis-2-thanks-to-cryengine-3.html

http://www.destructoid.com/how-does-cryengine-3-run-differently-on-ps3-and-360--132464.phtml

"It's been tricky, but we've got a strong PS3 engine with all the major systems running on SPUs. With middleware, what you want is for someone else to do all that so the developer can just concentrate on making games. We have parity between the platforms now: both run at the same speed ... If the game's shader-heavy it runs a bit faster on 360; if it's compute-heavy with physics and particles, then the SPUs take over and it's a bit quicker on PS3."

Bus-A-Bus

well there you have it. i'd rather have faster than quicker. another multiplat running better on 360.

civic_misfit

LOL, that pretty much summed up this topic very well. Hopefully anyone else who responds to this quote will read it twice before making a remark.

when shader heavy and faster on ps3 when physics heavy.

Now this is not thread for bashing but i see some cows say that game if its made on each consoles ground up and not port it HAS to look better on ps3 because its more powerful(see what PR hype does,some people are still drinking KOOL AID).Well not according to Crytek and i may remind you that game is not port,its simultaneously made on PC,360 and ps3.

http://www.qj.net/qjnet/news/no-port-in-crysis-2-thanks-to-cryengine-3.html

http://www.destructoid.com/how-does-cryengine-3-run-differently-on-ps3-and-360--132464.phtml

"It's been tricky, but we've got a strong PS3 engine with all the major systems running on SPUs. With middleware, what you want is for someone else to do all that so the developer can just concentrate on making games. We have parity between the platforms now: both run at the same speed ... If the game's shader-heavy it runs a bit faster on 360; if it's compute-heavy with physics and particles, then the SPUs take over and it's a bit quicker on PS3."

Bus-A-Bus

So basically it seems like both systems perform better @ certain things. I think a lot of developers have said this, so it really comes as no surprise.I'm actually pretty satisfied with the current graphics on the PS3/360 right now, and the games that have been released within the last year or so look outstanding.The game engines that these developers are crafting right now are simply stunning! With games like Assassins Creed, Mass Effect 2, Uncharted 2, Battlefield Bad Co.2, and of course the MW series, it seems a little unimportant to bicker over which ones look slightly better, or how much better Crysis performs on either console.

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

when shader heavy and faster on ps3 when physics heavy.

Now this is not thread for bashing but i see some cows say that game if its made on each consoles ground up and not port it HAS to look better on ps3 because its more powerful(see what PR hype does,some people are still drinking KOOL AID).Well not according to Crytek and i may remind you that game is not port,its simultaneously made on PC,360 and ps3.

http://www.qj.net/qjnet/news/no-port-in-crysis-2-thanks-to-cryengine-3.html

http://www.destructoid.com/how-does-cryengine-3-run-differently-on-ps3-and-360--132464.phtml

"It's been tricky, but we've got a strong PS3 engine with all the major systems running on SPUs. With middleware, what you want is for someone else to do all that so the developer can just concentrate on making games. We have parity between the platforms now: both run at the same speed ... If the game's shader-heavy it runs a bit faster on 360; if it's compute-heavy with physics and particles, then the SPUs take over and it's a bit quicker on PS3."