Crysis 2 Will Look Less And Less Like Its Rivals As Layers Are Added Says Crytek

Seems like last couple of days Crytek is being very confident with their product to say it will compete against itself again,cant wait! :)

"Dreaming, in other words, just as it always has. Happy to suggest that it's "still the benchmark, competing with itself"

The game is not complete however, but when it is, it'll be leaps and bounds above the pack:

"As for Crysis 2, which we're assured will look less and less like its console rivals as it lays on extra detail, let's just say it's good to see it finally having fun, not worrying so much about being The Best Game Ever Made."

http://www.gamesthirst.com/2010/04/01/crysis-2-will-leave-killzone-2-halo-reach-behind-visually-says-crytek/

They are pretty conficent about thair game. I like that :D

Competing against their own product, I love it. DEATH775

[QUOTE="DEATH775"]Competing against their own product, I love it. jwsoul

If they manage great controls and amazing graphics,it should be good as PC(of course with worse gfx,but gameplay the same).And its not linear.

They sound like they're focusing too much on the graphics. Don't matter if the gameplay sucks. The only purpose of the first Crysis is using it as a measuring stick to build a good PC.Parasomniac

Crysis wasnt 95 for graphics only,AFAIK Gamespot said:Crysis is visually stunning, packed with intelligent, thrilling gameplay, and easily one of the greatest shooters ever made.

I don't see anything wrong if Crysis 2 will be linear. So long as it's not blatantly obvious. The first game had some levels that were obviously linear as did Warhead. So long as there's plenty of room to play and look around in. The only way I'd be ticked off is if they added a timer of some sort to get things done.

I don't like the game telling me to hurry up or dictating the pace of the game.

They sound like they're focusing too much on the graphics. Don't matter if the gameplay sucks. The only purpose of the first Crysis is using it as a measuring stick to build a good PC.Parasomniac

[QUOTE="DEATH775"]Competing against their own product, I love it. jwsoul

They may be arrogant, but that doesn't stop them from being absolutely right. Not only is Crysis the best looking game, but it has been for 2 years, and still nothing comes close to topping it, and Crysis 2 will inevitably be competing with Crysis in terms of graphics. And don't use that linear bullcard. As if Halo 3 wasn't linear and still it got praised by Lems. The linear aspect is only brought up because Crysis is good visually, so naturally people will find something to bash it with. Just like how people bashed the ps3 for having no games at first, and then the exclusives, and then the pricepoint, and now the online network.

Might have already seen this:

http://www.edge-online.com/magazine/crysis-2-the-manhattan-project?page=0

Really nice read.

[QUOTE="jwsoul"][QUOTE="DEATH775"]Competing against their own product, I love it. jhcho2

They may be arrogant, but that doesn't stop them from being absolutely right. Not only is Crysis the best looking game, but it has been for 2 years, and still nothing comes close to topping it, and Crysis 2 will inevitably be competing with Crysis in terms of graphics. And don't use that linear bullcard. As if Halo 3 wasn't linear and still it got praised by Lems. The linear aspect is only brought up because Crysis is good visually, so naturally people will find something to bash it with. Just like how people bashed the ps3 for having no games at first, and then the exclusives, and then the pricepoint, and now the online network.

Hey Crytek... I'm gonna let you finish... but I just wanna say... Naughty Dog & Bungie have some of thefunnest games this gen.

Maybe Crytek should worry more about adding FUN to their games, rather than higher res textures, better lighting & higher polygon assets.

After the original Crysis... I'm left very skeptical as to whether Crysis 2 will be worth my money. I'd very much rather play Halo3, COD, Bioshock, Resistance, Metro 2033... well anything really, over Crysis.

Play Crysis on medium settings only.... then come in here and talk about how great Crysis is. Won't happen.

Hey Crytek... I'm gonna let you finish... but I just wanna say... Naughty Dog & Bungie have some of thefunnest games this gen.

Maybe Crytek should worry more about adding FUN to their games, rather than higher res textures, better lighting & higher polygon assets.

After the original Crysis... I'm left very skeptical as to whether Crysis 2 will be worth my money. I'd very much rather play Halo3, COD, Bioshock, Resistance, Metro 2033... well anything really, over Crysis.

Play Crysis on medium settings only.... then come in here and talk about how great Crysis is. Won't happen.

moistsandwich

Crysis is easily one of the best shooters I've ever played, and... wait for it...

I PLAY IT ON MEDIUM

Might have already seen this:

http://www.edge-online.com/magazine/crysis-2-the-manhattan-project?page=0

Really nice read.

Esnedon

Hey Crytek... I'm gonna let you finish... but I just wanna say... Naughty Dog & Bungie have some of thefunnest games this gen.

Maybe Crytek should worry more about adding FUN to their games, rather than higher res textures, better lighting & higher polygon assets.

After the original Crysis... I'm left very skeptical as to whether Crysis 2 will be worth my money. I'd very much rather play Halo3, COD, Bioshock, Resistance, Metro 2033... well anything really, over Crysis.

Play Crysis on medium settings only.... then come in here and talk about how great Crysis is. Won't happen.

moistsandwich

[QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

Hey Crytek... I'm gonna let you finish... but I just wanna say... Naughty Dog & Bungie have some of thefunnest games this gen.

Maybe Crytek should worry more about adding FUN to their games, rather than higher res textures, better lighting & higher polygon assets.

After the original Crysis... I'm left very skeptical as to whether Crysis 2 will be worth my money. I'd very much rather play Halo3, COD, Bioshock, Resistance, Metro 2033... well anything really, over Crysis.

Play Crysis on medium settings only.... then come in here and talk about how great Crysis is. Won't happen.

DragonfireXZ95

The only way Crysis 2 will look as good as they say is if they ignore the limits of the 360 and just push the PC and PS3 versions to their limits. I just know it's not gonna look better than Killzone 2, for the simple reason of it being multiplat. FFXIII on PS3 suffered because of the 360 limitations and so will Crysis 2. Go a head and say otherwise, but you know I'm right. This really wouldn't be a problem if they weren't so obsessed with all of the versions looking equal. Really though, the PC version will suffer the most from all of this.

The only way Crysis 2 will look as good as they say is if they ignore the limits of the 360 and just push the PC and PS3 to their limits. I just know it's not gonna look better than Killzone 2, for the simple reason of it being multiplat. FFXIII on PS3 suffered because of the 360 and so will Crysis 2. Go a head and say otherwise, but you know I'm right.

Master_ShakeXXX

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvQNhVwEOyI

Look at the video,running on both consoles.Seems like the same,only thing is that 360 seems to run better.Also,Crytek said:

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=53052&page=18

".. We got parity between the platforms now: both run at the same speed. If the game is shades heavy it runs a bit faster on the 360; if it is compute heavy with physics and particles, then the SPUs take over and it's a bit quicker on PS3."

How did FF13 suffer?It was made for years on ps3,and then ported on 360 in less then 6 months without even using edram.

Crytek really are full of themselves, aren't they? They always have been.

Now, they can back it up, so it's ok; they are speaking the truth when they say their games are the best technically, but it's funny to hear a developer, not a publisher or console manufacturer, but a games developer, be so frank and blunt about how much more advanced their products are than the competition.

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

The only way Crysis 2 will look as good as they say is if they ignore the limits of the 360 and just push the PC and PS3 to their limits. I just know it's not gonna look better than Killzone 2, for the simple reason of it being multiplat. FFXIII on PS3 suffered because of the 360 and so will Crysis 2. Go a head and say otherwise, but you know I'm right.

Bus-A-Bus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvQNhVwEOyI

Look at the video,running on both consoles.Seems like the same,only thing is that 360 seems to run better.Also,Crytek said:

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=53052&page=18

".. We got parity between the platforms now: both run at the same speed. If the game is shades heavy it runs a bit faster on the 360; if it is compute heavy with physics and particles, then the SPUs take over and it's a bit quicker on PS3."

How did FF13 suffer?It was made for years on ps3,and then ported on 360 in less then 6 months without even using edram.

It's common knowledge that the game was nerfed after the decision to move it to 360. Look anywhere, ask anyone.

Crytek really are full of themselves, aren't they? They always have been.

Now, they can back it up, so it's ok; they are speaking the truth when they say their games are the best technically, but it's funny to hear a developer, not a publisher or console manufacturer, but a games developer, be so frank and blunt about how much more advanced their products are than the competition.

ithilgore2006

Everybody who knows something about technical aspects of games knows that Crytek is right on this one.Cryengine 3 is the most advanced engine in the world,easiest to use and features amazingly simple editor which basically develops game simultaneously on all 3 platforms in real time,with features that other devs would pretty much give a** to have them.Just the fact that their 3 yr old game is still used for graphical benchmark speaks for itself.

I see the hype talk is in full gear, but will people bite?

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

The only way Crysis 2 will look as good as they say is if they ignore the limits of the 360 and just push the PC and PS3 to their limits. I just know it's not gonna look better than Killzone 2, for the simple reason of it being multiplat. FFXIII on PS3 suffered because of the 360 and so will Crysis 2. Go a head and say otherwise, but you know I'm right.

Master_ShakeXXX

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvQNhVwEOyI

Look at the video,running on both consoles.Seems like the same,only thing is that 360 seems to run better.Also,Crytek said:

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=53052&page=18

".. We got parity between the platforms now: both run at the same speed. If the game is shades heavy it runs a bit faster on the 360; if it is compute heavy with physics and particles, then the SPUs take over and it's a bit quicker on PS3."

How did FF13 suffer?It was made for years on ps3,and then ported on 360 in less then 6 months without even using edram.

It's common knowledge that the game was nerfed after the decision to move it to 360. Look anywhere, ask anyone.

Who shall i ask?Brainwashed fanboy...Its fact that FF13 started development on ps2,thus game mechanics(aka linearity) and their engine were set in stone.Then they started ps3 version,developed it till 09 and ported it on 360 in less then 6 month.I gave you quote straight from Cryteks tech director,i think he knows better then you or ND or Sony because they actually work on BOTH dev kits.

Might have already seen this:

http://www.edge-online.com/magazine/crysis-2-the-manhattan-project?page=0

Really nice read.

Esnedon

Sounds pretty amazing, and it's about the console versions. Can't wait for some gameplay footage. :D

I just think it's cool that they're willing to push it so far for us gamers. While so many other devs whine and piss over their precious budgets and whatnot, Crytek is all like "No, we can push it further."

I respect the heck out of these guys!

If the 360 version actually does end up looking better than Killzone 2 AND Uncharted 2, I will eat my words. But frankly, I don't see it happening. And I don't see the PS3 version outperforming them either, simply because of the 360.

The only way Crysis 2 will look as good as they say is if they ignore the limits of the 360 and just push the PC and PS3 versions to their limits. I just know it's not gonna look better than Killzone 2, for the simple reason of it being multiplat. FFXIII on PS3 suffered because of the 360 limitations and so will Crysis 2. Go a head and say otherwise, but you know I'm right. This really wouldn't be a problem if they weren't so obsessed with all of the versions looking equal. Really though, the PC version will suffer the most from all of this.

Master_ShakeXXX

If you reduced the resolution of the PC version to 1280x720, I'm sure all three platforms will be on par with each other. The PC version has always been the lead since that's what they're using to develop the game on. I honestly doubt Crytek will tone the pc version down since they've been working on Crysis 2 before they announced its availablility on the consoles.

If the 360 version actually does end up looking better than Killzone 2 AND Uncharted 2, I will eat my words. But frankly, I don't see it happening. And I don't see the PS3 version outperformingthem either, simply because of the 360.

Master_ShakeXXX

You will eat them,only reason why KZ2 and UC2 look that way is because of great developer talent,great tools,engine and dedication.UC2 made on ps3 does not mean 360 cant have that kind of games,its childish argument.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=41998&page=17

Here is discussion about KZ2 tech and at the end of 17 page and 18 page REAL developers say that it can be dont on 360 only that MS lacks real devs,engine and they dont need it.

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

If the 360 version actually does end up looking better than Killzone 2 AND Uncharted 2, I will eat my words. But frankly, I don't see it happening. And I don't see the PS3 version outperformingthem either, simply because of the 360.

Bus-A-Bus

You will eat them,only reason why KZ2 and UC2 look that way is because of great developer talent,great tools,engine and dedication.UC2 made on ps3 does not mean 360 cant have that kind of games,its childish argument.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=41998&page=17

Here is discussion about KZ2 tech and at the end of 17 page and 18 page REAL developers say that it can be dont on 360 only that MS lacks real devs,engine and they dont need it.

The power in the 360 is supposed to be way easier to use and the system's been out a year longer than the PS3... I'm not buying into it.

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

The only way Crysis 2 will look as good as they say is if they ignore the limits of the 360 and just push the PC and PS3 versions to their limits. I just know it's not gonna look better than Killzone 2, for the simple reason of it being multiplat. FFXIII on PS3 suffered because of the 360 limitations and so will Crysis 2. Go a head and say otherwise, but you know I'm right. This really wouldn't be a problem if they weren't so obsessed with all of the versions looking equal. Really though, the PC version will suffer the most from all of this.

jun_aka_pekto

If you reduced the resolution of the PC version to 1280x720, I'm sure all three platforms will be on par with each other. The PC version has always been the lead since that's what they're using to develop the game on. I honestly doubt Crytek will tone the pc version down since they've been working on Crysis 2 before they announced its availablility on the consoles.

I doubt the PC would be on par with them even at 720p... You must not know much about the nuts and bolts of all the different technical aspects you can improve besides resolution. The PC version will be much much better looking, especially taking DX11 into effect. Just look at Metro 2033 or Just Cause 2 for example.

DragonfireXZ95

At 1280x720, many of the effects that made Crysis and Warhead beautiful games were way overdone. I had to dial a few settings down such as Post-Processing and Shaders to get the best image quality.

There will also be lesser of what made Crysis and Warhead such hogs, outdoor light and shadow physics due to the urban setting.

At 1280x720, I think they'll be on par although the consoles will be at their limits while it's barely scratching the surface for the PC.

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

If the 360 version actually does end up looking better than Killzone 2 AND Uncharted 2, I will eat my words. But frankly, I don't see it happening. And I don't see the PS3 version outperformingthem either, simply because of the 360.

Shewgenja

You will eat them,only reason why KZ2 and UC2 look that way is because of great developer talent,great tools,engine and dedication.UC2 made on ps3 does not mean 360 cant have that kind of games,its childish argument.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=41998&page=17

Here is discussion about KZ2 tech and at the end of 17 page and 18 page REAL developers say that it can be dont on 360 only that MS lacks real devs,engine and they dont need it.

The power in the 360 is supposed to be way easier to use and the system's been out a year longer than the PS3... I'm not buying into it.

Sure.....PS3 is supposed to be more powerfull than 360. Why only 2 games out of hundreds look better on it...and by a small margin?

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

The only way Crysis 2 will look as good as they say is if they ignore the limits of the 360 and just push the PC and PS3 versions to their limits. I just know it's not gonna look better than Killzone 2, for the simple reason of it being multiplat. FFXIII on PS3 suffered because of the 360 limitations and so will Crysis 2. Go a head and say otherwise, but you know I'm right. This really wouldn't be a problem if they weren't so obsessed with all of the versions looking equal. Really though, the PC version will suffer the most from all of this.

DragonfireXZ95

If you reduced the resolution of the PC version to 1280x720, I'm sure all three platforms will be on par with each other. The PC version has always been the lead since that's what they're using to develop the game on. I honestly doubt Crytek will tone the pc version down since they've been working on Crysis 2 before they announced its availablility on the consoles.

When I said that the PC version would suffer the most, I meant in terms of gameplay, not graphics. Because of the console versions, the PC version of Crysis 2 is going to be alot more linear than it's prequel. I mean how could it not? If it wasn't, the PC version would be a completely different game from what us console users are getting. It's obvious that the PC version will look alot better than the console versions, but it will be dragged down in terms of gameplay.

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

If the 360 version actually does end up looking better than Killzone 2 AND Uncharted 2, I will eat my words. But frankly, I don't see it happening. And I don't see the PS3 version outperformingthem either, simply because of the 360.

Shewgenja

You will eat them,only reason why KZ2 and UC2 look that way is because of great developer talent,great tools,engine and dedication.UC2 made on ps3 does not mean 360 cant have that kind of games,its childish argument.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=41998&page=17

Here is discussion about KZ2 tech and at the end of 17 page and 18 page REAL developers say that it can be dont on 360 only that MS lacks real devs,engine and they dont need it.

The power in the 360 is supposed to be way easier to use and the system's been out a year longer than the PS3... I'm not buying into it.

RSX is crippled compared to Xenos,and cell can only about equal them.The most common misunderstand is how unified structure works and how xenos is much better in closed environments because its dedicated and ground up made in comparison with RSX.

People think xenos unified structure works like this:of 48 alus developers make a decision on how much they want it for pixel and for vertex.But that laughable wrong.Unified structure works like this:if you look at the water(in game)its very low on vertex but high on pixels,so all your alus work pixel,when you look at skyscrapers you can dedicate 4 alus for example for vertex and 44 for pixel.Thats not how rsx works.If you look at skyscrapers firs all your 8 vertex do geometry work while 24 pixel alus just sit doing nothing,then your 24 pixel alus do pixels while vertex stall thus longer rendering and much less efficiency.

And for the end,one fully optimized spu equals 3 vertex pipelines of gf6800(said on beyond3d) so considering RSX is gimped with vertex your spus will do that,just do the math,using 6 spus,you equal 18 vertex pipelines of g6800 its not much considering you wont get 6 spus to do gfx on them,rather 2-3.

BTW.360 still renders frame faster then ps3,as said in latest Crytek presentation.

http://www.crytek.com/fileadmin/user_upload/inside/presentations/2009/Light_Propagation_Volumes.pdf

Page 29,360 30,3 vs 32,1 ps3.
Note that "LPV rendering stage is much faster on PlayStation 3 because we use half-resolution rendering mode with MSAA remapping trick".

And b3d said...

Originally Posted by Billy Idol
"thanks for the link!, there is even a direct timeing comparison of the scene for Xbox and PS at the end of the paper.

Can someone maybe explain me (in a way I can understand why the PS3 beats the other challengers in the categorie "LPV Lookup"? Lookup on PS3 is so fast that it catches up in timings and even overtakes the Xbox in the "no occlusion" test.

Is it solely due to the weak PS GPU that it gets beaten up in the rendering categorie, or are there any other reasons?

response from developer

"The devil is in the details. In Crytek's previous PDFs they noted a quality drop on one of the consoles to make give it comparable performance..."

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=53052&page=29

I'm excited. the write up in Edge magazine sounds great. This and Rage will really impress, I'm sure.

If the 360 version actually does end up looking better than Killzone 2 AND Uncharted 2, I will eat my words. But frankly, I don't see it happening. And I don't see the PS3 version outperforming them either, simply because of the 360.

Master_ShakeXXX

I was thinking lack of RAM and that it's not linear.

but ok, whatever makes you feel best here.

The only way Crysis 2 will look as good as they say is if they ignore the limits of the 360 and just push the PC and PS3 versions to their limits. I just know it's not gonna look better than Killzone 2, for the simple reason of it being multiplat. FFXIII on PS3 suffered because of the 360 limitations and so will Crysis 2. Go a head and say otherwise, but you know I'm right. This really wouldn't be a problem if they weren't so obsessed with all of the versions looking equal. Really though, the PC version will suffer the most from all of this.

Master_ShakeXXX

A lot of hating going on here. Don't people understand the risk Crytek is taking by pushing their engine multiplat? It's only natural that they would want to hype, or advertise it. They're over 500 who feel that they have the most advanced video game engine on their hands, and I'd have to agree with them. Has anybody actually seen the vids they've shown of real-time cross platform development. This could mean a great reduction in development cost, while simultaneously boosting the quality of games.

I love this quote, "With a pad for each console, two designers can then play the game while a third, sat at the mouse and keyboard, makes sweeping changes under their feet. The assets are managed on the fly. There is no downtime. In conventional terms, there is no port: the game simply exists as multiformat."

I realize this is SW, and that a lot of people will be in denial that Crytek can pull this off, but if anybody can capture the unified gfx champ title it's them.

The only way Crysis 2 will look as good as they say is if they ignore the limits of the 360 and just push the PC and PS3 versions to their limits. I just know it's not gonna look better than Killzone 2, for the simple reason of it being multiplat. FFXIII on PS3 suffered because of the 360 limitations and so will Crysis 2. Go a head and say otherwise, but you know I'm right. This really wouldn't be a problem if they weren't so obsessed with all of the versions looking equal. Really though, the PC version will suffer the most from all of this.

Master_ShakeXXX

Considering the new CryEngine scales for performance across all systems means it will push the PC much like the first Crysis.

Also, the 360 holding the PS3 and PC back? Wow, really? PS3 and 360, infortunately for you, are very much on a similar level.

Ps3 fanboys are so scare of this game having better graphics than their marginal better looking exclusive, because i could probably look better on 360 and all the fuss ''ps3 best graphics''(lol 2 marginal better looking exclusives) can come to an end .Tessellation

Same could be said for if it looked better on PS3, and added further fuel to the fire regarding PS3's supposed graphical superiority.

See how ridiculous both our statements sound.

Fanboys will be fanboys, however both systems will get a great game.

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]Ps3 fanboys are so scare of this game having better graphics than their marginal better looking exclusive, because i could probably look better on 360 and all the fuss ''ps3 best graphics''(lol 2 marginal better looking exclusives) can come to an end .lundy86_4

Same could be said for if it looked better on PS3, and added further fuel to the fire regarding PS3's supposed graphical superiority.

See how ridiculous both our statements sound.

Fanboys will be fanboys, however both systems will get a great game.

I want the 360 version to be console graphics king, just for the lulz. :lol:

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]Ps3 fanboys are so scare of this game having better graphics than their marginal better looking exclusive, because i could probably look better on 360 and all the fuss ''ps3 best graphics''(lol 2 marginal better looking exclusives) can come to an end .Dataleak

Same could be said for if it looked better on PS3, and added further fuel to the fire regarding PS3's supposed graphical superiority.

See how ridiculous both our statements sound.

Fanboys will be fanboys, however both systems will get a great game.

I want the 360 version to be console graphics king, just for the lulz. :lol:

It would be hilarious, i'll admit :P

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]Ps3 fanboys are so scare of this game having better graphics than their marginal better looking exclusive, because i could probably look better on 360 and all the fuss ''ps3 best graphics''(lol 2 marginal better looking exclusives) can come to an end .lundy86_4

Same could be said for if it looked better on PS3, and added further fuel to the fire regarding PS3's supposed graphical superiority.

See how ridiculous both our statements sound.

Fanboys will be fanboys, however both systems will get a great game.

They sound like they're focusing too much on the graphics. Don't matter if the gameplay sucks. The only purpose of the first Crysis is using it as a measuring stick to build a good PC.Parasomniac

[QUOTE="Parasomniac"]They sound like they're focusing too much on the graphics. Don't matter if the gameplay sucks. The only purpose of the first Crysis is using it as a measuring stick to build a good PC.Evz0rz

It's a shame because Crysis is all about the graphics. The gameplay doesn't really get much of a look in, even though it accompanies the amazing visuals superbly. I'm hoping Crysis 2 keeps the innovative gameplay from Crysis 1 intact, or even improves on it, so all those people who've never played it can experience why Crysis 1 is such a highly rated, and beloved game.

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

The only way Crysis 2 will look as good as they say is if they ignore the limits of the 360 and just push the PC and PS3 versions to their limits. I just know it's not gonna look better than Killzone 2, for the simple reason of it being multiplat. FFXIII on PS3 suffered because of the 360 limitations and so will Crysis 2. Go a head and say otherwise, but you know I'm right. This really wouldn't be a problem if they weren't so obsessed with all of the versions looking equal. Really though, the PC version will suffer the most from all of this.

ThePsTriple

LOL.Aint it funny when cows put ps3 in same sentence with PC while saying 360 holds them down?:lol: