Crysis might not be that good (yeah, I'm a hermit)

Okay, first things first, I'm a die-hard hermit.

The only console (besides, Atari, ZX Spectrum (which are not consoles, actually) and NES) I had was PlayStation 2, and I bought it about three years after its release primarily because it was a pretty affordable DVD player with extra functions in form of some cool games.

Anyway, when I first saw some screenshots and movies from Crysis I was really wowed by their pure awesomeness etc, but seeing some movies from all those latest "previews" (which are just a pure marketing crap - every site gets the same screenshots, and every preview is basically identical), I must say... they aren't that good.

I mean, the combat looks steril. A walk in the park. Enemy AI looks retarded, and besides humans, you fight against flying squids. What the hell?

Okay, I know that Crytek shows only a selected few levels from the game, but I must say that, from this standpoint, Far Cry looked much more intense and challenging. Some of you will probably say "oh yeah?! well, can't you see that this AI is set on the super-retarded difficulty". My answer? How do you know that, and, first of all, why would Crytek do that with the AI, since they showoff graphics in all its glory?

Also, a comment about Crysis MP beta. No, I didn't got in the beta, unfortunately, but some guys out there say that the game runs like crap on their machines--which are beasts.

So anyway, I'm eagerly awaiting that demo just to check if I was right.

PC betas are notorious for being poorly optimized. This isn't some sugar coated press event glorified demo like the Halo 3 beta. This is how PC betas have ALWAYS been. The end product is almost NEVER representative of what the beta of a PC game was. Thats just how it is.Vandalvideo

Okay, and why would a publisher like Electronic Arts do such a thing? I mean, the meaning of those betas are to *attract* the potential buyer, not to scare him off with its poor optimization.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]PC betas are notorious for being poorly optimized. This isn't some sugar coated press event glorified demo like the Halo 3 beta. This is how PC betas have ALWAYS been. The end product is almost NEVER representative of what the beta of a PC game was. Thats just how it is.IgGy621985

Okay, and why would a publisher like Electronic Arts do such a thing? I mean, the meaning of those betas are to *attract* the potential buyer, not to scare him off with its poor optimization.

[QUOTE="IgGy621985"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]PC betas are notorious for being poorly optimized. This isn't some sugar coated press event glorified demo like the Halo 3 beta. This is how PC betas have ALWAYS been. The end product is almost NEVER representative of what the beta of a PC game was. Thats just how it is.Vandalvideo

Okay, and why would a publisher like Electronic Arts do such a thing? I mean, the meaning of those betas are to *attract* the potential buyer, not to scare him off with its poor optimization.

Oh come on man. Don't tell me that you're so naive about those betas thing. Betas, demos, screenshots, movies, previews, reviews, whatever... they all represent a marketing gimmick made by publisher. Nothing more, nothing less.

The thing is - beta obvously runs like crap on high-end PCs, and I'm pretty sure Crytek couldn't do wonders in, what, two months.

far cry was terrible. i really hope crysis is good tho.lespaul1919

Far Cry was a great game. What the hell dude?

Oh come on man. Don't tell me that you're so naive about those betas thing. Betas, demos, screenshots, movies, previews, reviews, whatever... they all represent a marketing gimmick made by publisher. Nothing more, nothing less.The thing is - beta obvously runs like crap on high-end PCs, and I'm pretty sure Crytek couldn't do wonders in, what, two months.IgGy621985

it will be great to play it on maximum settings.. but i agree it looks too easy.... and there is always 1 soldier... cloned...

could be an overhyped game. but it could also be game of the year. we haven't seen everything....

Betas are for bug-fixing, demos are the advertising... :?

Wait for the demo to start judging things like crazy. Everybody and their cat has seen how good Crysis can look.

[QUOTE="IgGy621985"]Oh come on man. Don't tell me that you're so naive about those betas thing. Betas, demos, screenshots, movies, previews, reviews, whatever... they all represent a marketing gimmick made by publisher. Nothing more, nothing less.The thing is - beta obvously runs like crap on high-end PCs, and I'm pretty sure Crytek couldn't do wonders in, what, two months.Vandalvideo

This, and not to mention beta was never really annouced, it just kinda popped up, no press release or anything. Crysis will be awesome and if you want to believe that somebody would demostrate a game on ultra hard settings you go right ahead. It makes a lot of sence to show off your game in ultra hard right?

Its what he thinks ill repesct it even though i think otherwise. When i see videos i think to myself there, is no point of him dying since hes showin us the game, so it needs to be easier thusly thats y Ai is sub par.

Game looks decent to me.

Edit:^^*Post above*^^ he gets the picture as well.

far cry was terrible. i really hope crysis is good tho.lespaul1919

What are you saying man that game was great when it came...

[QUOTE="IgGy621985"]Oh come on man. Don't tell me that you're so naive about those betas thing. Betas, demos, screenshots, movies, previews, reviews, whatever... they all represent a marketing gimmick made by publisher. Nothing more, nothing less.The thing is - beta obvously runs like crap on high-end PCs, and I'm pretty sure Crytek couldn't do wonders in, what, two months.Vandalvideo

Okay, I sat for a second, read what you wrote and thought - there's Internet. Every possible information could get on the Internet regardless all those NDA agreements, which are, afterall made with home users. You probably witnessed it yourself on this wery forum. Some guys posted a few screenshots and movies from the beta, a lot of people saw them, which means that the NDA has been broken, and the information about the beta has leaked. Did they got banned from the beta, dunno.

Afterall, there will be another batches of keys, and probably a public beta.

But anyway, those poor optimizations are the least of my worries about this game, because I'm confident that Crytek is full of it with that "Crysis will run on three years old PCs".

I'm worried about its gameplay which seems like crap.

I'm worried about its gameplay which seems like crap.

IgGy621985

Why does the game play seem like crap?

Okay, I sat for a second, read what you wrote and thought - there's Internet. Every possible information could get on the Internet regardless all those NDA agreements, which are, afterall made with home users. You probably witnessed it yourself on this wery forum. Some guys posted a few screenshots and movies from the beta, a lot of people saw them, which means that the NDA has been broken, and the information about the beta has leaked. Did they got banned from the beta, dunno. Afterall, there will be another batches of keys, and probably a public beta.But anyway, those poor optimizations are the least of my worries about this game, because I'm confident that Crytek is full of it with that "Crysis will run on three years old PCs". I'm worried about its gameplay which seems like crap.IgGy621985

Vandalvideo

Okay, the official announcement of the Crysis multiplayer beta is right here. True, it was announced after the "internal" beta was released, but this obviously means that the second and other levels of the beta will be swarmed by gamers. It's not a marketing gimmick? Right.

Anyway, I'm off.

Take care dudes and dudettes (if there are any)

True, it was announced after the "internal" beta was released, but this obviously means that the second and other levels of the beta will be swarmed by gamers. It's not a marketing gimmick? Right.Anyway, I'm off.Take care dudes and dudettes (if there are any)IgGy621985

It is a beta for christs sake, not a demo.tonythestudent

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]IgGy621985

Okay, the official announcement of the Crysis multiplayer beta is right here. True, it was announced after the "internal" beta was released, but this obviously means that the second and other levels of the beta will be swarmed by gamers. It's not a marketing gimmick? Right.

Anyway, I'm off.

Take care dudes and dudettes (if there are any)

The Public Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts Beta was crap. I couldn't JOIN 95% of the games. Does that mean the final game will suck? NO! IT means they will be fixing problems like this between now and release.

Didn't you guys get the memo?

Beta = demo now.

:roll:

Betas are for bug-fixing, demos are the advertising... :?

Wait for the demo to start judging things like crazy. Everybody and their cat has seen how good Crysis can look.

t3hTwinky

I agree with this.

Play the game before you start bashing it at all.

Didn't you guys get the memo?

Beta = demo now.

:roll:

t3hTwinky

I thought that was pre pre pre pre Alpha?

I actually want to make an example of the opposing front Beta here.....because when I played it....I couldnt join a single game properly, I couldnt go to high settings (only low workded properly) and worst of all I was getting very low FPS and lots of lag.

thats the way Beta's are.......they are made to test many difernt things.

Well, hopefully the level editing is great.. I'm still trying to find out if people will be able to create co-op levels directly and easily, through the level editor.

I really don't think the campaign will be too special. Well, actually, it will be special, but it will still suck to me, like 99 percent of single player games/modes out there.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="IgGy621985"]Oh come on man. Don't tell me that you're so naive about those betas thing. Betas, demos, screenshots, movies, previews, reviews, whatever... they all represent a marketing gimmick made by publisher. Nothing more, nothing less.The thing is - beta obvously runs like crap on high-end PCs, and I'm pretty sure Crytek couldn't do wonders in, what, two months.IgGy621985

Okay, I sat for a second, read what you wrote and thought - there's Internet. Every possible information could get on the Internet regardless all those NDA agreements, which are, afterall made with home users. You probably witnessed it yourself on this wery forum. Some guys posted a few screenshots and movies from the beta, a lot of people saw them, which means that the NDA has been broken, and the information about the beta has leaked. Did they got banned from the beta, dunno.

Afterall, there will be another batches of keys, and probably a public beta.

But anyway, those poor optimizations are the least of my worries about this game, because I'm confident that Crytek is full of it with that "Crysis will run on three years old PCs".

I'm worried about its gameplay which seems like crap.

Errr check YOUTUBE, there was a Powerstruggle tutorial with a few guys demonstrating how to win a match, its now officially blocked by ELECTRONIC ARTS ... NDA's are not meant to be broken, all the major video sites are getting the content blocked.

[QUOTE="IgGy621985"]Okay, I sat for a second, read what you wrote and thought - there's Internet. Every possible information could get on the Internet regardless all those NDA agreements, which are, afterall made with home users. You probably witnessed it yourself on this wery forum. Some guys posted a few screenshots and movies from the beta, a lot of people saw them, which means that the NDA has been broken, and the information about the beta has leaked. Did they got banned from the beta, dunno. Afterall, there will be another batches of keys, and probably a public beta.But anyway, those poor optimizations are the least of my worries about this game, because I'm confident that Crytek is full of it with that "Crysis will run on three years old PCs". I'm worried about its gameplay which seems like crap.Vandalvideo

While taking their oppinon over his is fair you must also realise that the BETA testers are people who are already biased. They are the ones that have taken enough intrest and time to get in to it and probably have been fans since it was announced. Just like the Halo 3 beta nearly everyone who was in it loved it and they probably would have even if it blew because they where fans.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="IgGy621985"]Okay, I sat for a second, read what you wrote and thought - there's Internet. Every possible information could get on the Internet regardless all those NDA agreements, which are, afterall made with home users. You probably witnessed it yourself on this wery forum. Some guys posted a few screenshots and movies from the beta, a lot of people saw them, which means that the NDA has been broken, and the information about the beta has leaked. Did they got banned from the beta, dunno. Afterall, there will be another batches of keys, and probably a public beta.But anyway, those poor optimizations are the least of my worries about this game, because I'm confident that Crytek is full of it with that "Crysis will run on three years old PCs". I'm worried about its gameplay which seems like crap.Tasman_basic

While taking their oppinon over his is fair you must also realise that the BETA testers are people who are already biased. They are the ones that have taken enough intrest and time to get in to it and probably have been fans since it was announced. Just like the Halo 3 beta nearly everyone who was in it loved it and they probably would have even if it blew because they where fans.

That logic is flawed, prime example, the Quake Wars Beta, many Enemy Territory fans and PC Gamers have now been completely put off by it, the general concenesus was that both Beta's sucked... not technically, gameplay wise.

Let's ignore the part where he said that the beta runs like crap, and think about the other stuff. I agree with him. I haven't seen any exciting looking combat sequences in Crysis gameplay. I think it could flop.PotatoSan

Just because there aren't dropships flyign around and tanks exploding every few feet doesn't mean its a flop.

The combat is much more personal, like that of Far Cry. You go in to a shack, you don't know if a guy is going to blast you in the face when you turn a corner. You drive into the middle of a small outpost, you're afraid of an ambush. In my opinion, the game play is less epic and gigantic, but more down to earth and tense.

And don't give any crap about how the AI is bad. Nearly every vid out there right now has been played on God mode. In the corner in some of the vids, you can see the game keeps track of how many deaths a player would have encountered without God mode. I've seen vids where this reached 20.

IMO just about every FPS I have seen previewed recently or recently looked bland.. This is with the exception of Bioshock which looked different..Though its a pretty good game, I can say with confidence that the game was victim of console dumbing down.. For example the plasmids and gene tonics give you no real choice making.. Because in the end there is too few good oens to make any kind of customization.. Not to mention the simplistic choice system..

So in the end I am very skeptic of Crysis.. Infact I think the most promising our the lesser known ones that are releasing, such as Left 4 Dead...

[QUOTE="PotatoSan"]Let's ignore the part where he said that the beta runs like crap, and think about the other stuff. I agree with him. I haven't seen any exciting looking combat sequences in Crysis gameplay. I think it could flop.dgsag

Just because there aren't dropships flyign around and tanks exploding every few feet doesn't mean its a flop.

The combat is much more personal, like that of Far Cry. You go in to a shack, you don't know if a guy is going to blast you in the face when you turn a corner. You drive into the middle of a small outpost, you're afraid of an ambush. In my opinion, the game play is less epic and gigantic, but more down to earth and tense.

And don't give any crap about how the AI is bad. Nearly every vid out there right now has been played on God mode. In the corner in some of the vids, you can see the game keeps track of how many deaths a player would have encountered without God mode. I've seen vids where this reached 20.

yeah, its pretty, and thats it, otherwise, average fps.. it just doesnt look like fun, farcry 2 on the other hand, looks alot more fun.VendettaRed07

What? oother than Fire Far Cry 2 is a complete downgrade with normal boring weapons, worse looking graphics , and even more boring enemies ....

Is this whats happening now? Halo 3 is set for release, so lets bash the next blockbuster thats 2-3 months off because we have no proof if its epic or not.??

What the hell do you people see in Far Cry 2 gameplay wise ... gimmicky sandbox with Far Cry 1 gameplay..... which was far from epic in the first place (No special charatersitics.

Let's ignore the part where he said that the beta runs like crap, and think about the other stuff. I agree with him. I haven't seen any exciting looking combat sequences in Crysis gameplay. I think it could flop.PotatoSan

When people watch gameplay videos, they really need to take into account the skill and creativity of the person who's actually playing, because it's very significant. A crappy player can make any game look mediocre. There are far too many sweet possibilities and combinations with the sandbox-style gameplay, complete environmental destructability, and the Nanosuit for the gameplay not to be exciting. It's impossible.

I can already envision 50 different ways I'll be dispatching enemies. In open, sandbox games like Crysis and Far Cry, you basically make your own fun. If you're not being entertained in some fashion, it's mostly your fault, since you can basically do anything.

People barely even use the nanosuit in basically every Crysis video out there. And we haven't seen a variety of battles either. Almost all the trailers/vids of combat I've seen, and I've seen a lot, seem to be from that one small N. Korean settlement at the way beginning of the game (the one that'll probably be in the demo).

[QUOTE="dgsag"]

[QUOTE="PotatoSan"]Let's ignore the part where he said that the beta runs like crap, and think about the other stuff. I agree with him. I haven't seen any exciting looking combat sequences in Crysis gameplay. I think it could flop.PotatoSan

Just because there aren't dropships flyign around and tanks exploding every few feet doesn't mean its a flop.

The combat is much more personal, like that of Far Cry. You go in to a shack, you don't know if a guy is going to blast you in the face when you turn a corner. You drive into the middle of a small outpost, you're afraid of an ambush. In my opinion, the game play is less epic and gigantic, but more down to earth and tense.

And don't give any crap about how the AI is bad. Nearly every vid out there right now has been played on God mode. In the corner in some of the vids, you can see the game keeps track of how many deaths a player would have encountered without God mode. I've seen vids where this reached 20.

Your not meant to see anything "epic or special" back in 2006 there was a demonstration of your character on a large Aircraft Carrier Ship (Sea) , where the aliens were attacking adn destroying the ships around you, then when you get to the surface of the AC, there is a hutner fighting airships, grabs one and tosses it at the control tower, with rain/storm/hunter/explosions/smoke/people shooting the hunter/great music ... it was brilliant.

Why would they show more? or do you mean pointless NPC chracters/aircraft flying over like in Medal of Honours and Call of Duties?

The funny thing is, all these whiners going on about "looks boring" every single hands on impression is positive, look at Gamespots latest "Ice level handson", nothing but praise and how great it feels while playing, next week they are able to view inside the alien spaceship level , which again, if it gets an amazing hands-on , will be pretty much gaurenteeing teh game AAA.

Enough with the blind hate already, everythings generic except Halo these days :roll: ... Halo 3 ... Halo CE (PCs)'s epic rehash.

Your argument is flawed in nearly every way.

First off, as stated so many times, THIS FIRST ROUND OF BETA WAS MEANT BY THE DEVELOPERS TO BE COMPLETELY DODGED BY THE MEDIA. You simply cannot get around that fact. From the NDA to the fact the first round was never disclosed. Regardless of what actually happened, the general public was not supposed to know that this first round existed. Which obviously means that it's not good enough representation in (Cryteks eyes at least) of what the final product will be. Future betas may be a different story but not this one.

Secondly, as far as the AI goes, most previews that have been released have been showing off a certain part of the game. Whether it be suit powers, physics, graphics, etc. Does it make sense to have the game on an incredibly hard difficulty while showingoff these aspects of the game? Of course not.

Now we don't know how good the AI is but I am certain that the previews shown have not been anywhere near to be an accurate representation. The same thing goes with Beta gameplay/graphics/optimization.

Far Cry 2 looks better than crysis gameplay wise, if you saw the pre-alpha demo.FusionApex

Yes I did ... normal guns litterally copied directly out of Far Cry 1 (Ok thats fine) ... nothign but shooting ... what was different? shooting .... and fire ... fire is gameplay now? Flamethrowers have beena round forever ...

Far Cry 2 showed absolutely nothing in terms of "better gameplay" it was nearly identical, only without the nano-suit ... I seriously dont get what you people see in its gameplay ... do enlighten...

crysis is a meh, but wow to its graphics on high but far cry 2 is a W00t! for innavation, crysis is just the same old, it'll be a 8/10 but it won't be long lasting fun like counter strike, half life or far cry.LibertySaint

Again ... elaborate ... I dont know any FPS that has done anything on the calobor of Crysis, what FPS has done Zero G seriously? Far Cry 2 is no innovative, itsa STALKER clone, healing yourself will get repetitive and annoying, and the lack of any really inventive bad guys or cutscenes will leave it stale.

[QUOTE="t3hTwinky"]

Didn't you guys get the memo?

Beta = demo now.

:roll:

tonythestudent

I thought that was pre pre pre pre Alpha?

Dude, like, seriously, you should totally go down to the receptionist and get yourself a copy of that memo, it explains everything.

Pre-Alpha = Beta

Beta = Demo

Demo = The whole, finished game and representation of the platform at large

[QUOTE="Tasman_basic"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="IgGy621985"]Okay, I sat for a second, read what you wrote and thought - there's Internet. Every possible information could get on the Internet regardless all those NDA agreements, which are, afterall made with home users. You probably witnessed it yourself on this wery forum. Some guys posted a few screenshots and movies from the beta, a lot of people saw them, which means that the NDA has been broken, and the information about the beta has leaked. Did they got banned from the beta, dunno. Afterall, there will be another batches of keys, and probably a public beta.But anyway, those poor optimizations are the least of my worries about this game, because I'm confident that Crytek is full of it with that "Crysis will run on three years old PCs". I'm worried about its gameplay which seems like crap.PC360Wii

While taking their oppinon over his is fair you must also realise that the BETA testers are people who are already biased. They are the ones that have taken enough intrest and time to get in to it and probably have been fans since it was announced. Just like the Halo 3 beta nearly everyone who was in it loved it and they probably would have even if it blew because they where fans.

That logic is flawed, prime example, the Quake Wars Beta, many Enemy Territory fans and PC Gamers have now been completely put off by it, the general concenesus was that both Beta's sucked... not technically, gameplay wise.

It MUST be flawed one example of it being wrong. Oh wait that was a DEMO not a beta. Look at the WiC beta glowing responce Halo 3 the same even the leeked STALKER beta years ago was loved. People let things slide in betas.