Crysis: Warhead didn't win Technical Graphics?!

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#1 Manly-manly-man
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There's been a lot of arguing over Crysis: Warhead not winning the technical graphics award this year, and a lot of people bringing up arguments that don't make sense. Some are just saying Metal Gear Solid 4 has better graphics on a technical level. Well, in this thread, I want people defending MGS4 to post two pics, one of Crysis and one of Metal Gear Solid 4, both from IGN or Gamespot (for quality), and point out which areas MGS4 looks better in.
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#2 Couth_
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MGS4 won pretty much everywhere, not just on gamespot. Stop complaining
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#3 Kratos-Sackboy
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MGS4 won pretty much everywhere, not just on gamespot. Stop complaining Couth_

Pretty much this ^

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#4 Dead-Memories
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Gamespot is just trying to win back some cows.

Their awards this year have been complete jokes.

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#5 OhSnapitz
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I can't speak for CW because I haven't played it yet.. but MGS4 is without a doubt the Best looking game I've ever played(asthetically, artistically, technically). I'm sure PC gamers will disagree (which they have every right to) but that's just my opinion. Besides these GS awards aren't that serious my friend.. As long as you know CW is an outstanding looking game, that's all that matters. Sometimes you have to let things go..
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#6 Kratos-Sackboy
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Gamespot is just trying to win back some cows.

Their awards this year have been complete jokes.

Dead-Memories

Lems expect the 360 to win every year. Many sites not just GS did not choose Crysis for technical graphics.

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#7 swazidoughman
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Why are people angry about this anyway?

Its not like it will actually have any real effect on anything.

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#8 Rigga911
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Why are people angry about this anyway?

Its not like it will actually have any real effect on anything.

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#9 kozzy1234
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Crysis and Crysis Warhead graphics >>>>>>>> all
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#10 Manly-manly-man
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First off, I'm curious, not angry. I've looked at screens and videos, but I haven't played the game, and I personally don't see how MGS4 wins. Saying it's won elsewhere is also not the point of the thread. Some you obviously see a difference in favor for MGS4 that I don't. I'd just like the differences pointed out.
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#11 kozzy1234
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First off, I'm curious, not angry. I've looked at screens and videos, but I haven't played the game, and I personally don't see how MGS4 wins. Saying it's won elsewhere is also not the point of the thread. Some you obviously see a difference in favor for MGS4 that I don't. I'd just like the differences pointed out.Manly-manly-man

I own both games and while both are great games, in the graphics department Crysis Warhead is the clear cut winner.

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#12 Kratos-Sackboy
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[QUOTE="Manly-manly-man"]First off, I'm curious, not angry. I've looked at screens and videos, but I haven't played the game, and I personally don't see how MGS4 wins. Saying it's won elsewhere is also not the point of the thread. Some you obviously see a difference in favor for MGS4 that I don't. I'd just like the differences pointed out.kozzy1234

I own both games and while both are great games, in the graphics department Crysis Warhead is the clear cut winner.

Doubt it. Most of your comments are about bashing PS3 games and PS3 itself.

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#13 kozzy1234
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[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

[QUOTE="Manly-manly-man"]First off, I'm curious, not angry. I've looked at screens and videos, but I haven't played the game, and I personally don't see how MGS4 wins. Saying it's won elsewhere is also not the point of the thread. Some you obviously see a difference in favor for MGS4 that I don't. I'd just like the differences pointed out.Kratos-Sackboy

I own both games and while both are great games, in the graphics department Crysis Warhead is the clear cut winner.

Doubt it. Most of your comments are about bashing PS3 games and PS3 itself.

LOL, my ps1, ps2 and ps3 dissagree with you fanboy.

I own all systems this gen and almost all systems since atari and nes, so do some research before you talk trash little one.

My over 200 ps1 games in my collection say hello:)

You cant have conversations nicely so you resort to bashing.

In my opinion Crysis is graphcis king, i play PC and consoles the same, im not a fanboy of either. I think MGS4 is the better game, but Crysis Warhead has the better graphics, anyone who has a nice PC and all the consoles will agree.Only reason Crysis Warhead didnt get the graphics award is because its an expansion.

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#14 imprezawrx500
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the thing is cysis has already one best graphics basically everywhere so maybe they didn't think it was right to get it to it's expansion pack.
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#15 Kratos-Sackboy
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[QUOTE="Kratos-Sackboy"][QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

I own both games and while both are great games, in the graphics department Crysis Warhead is the clear cut winner.

kozzy1234

Doubt it. Most of your comments are about bashing PS3 games and PS3 itself.

LOL, my ps1, ps2 and ps3 dissagree with you fanboy.

I own all systems this gen and almost all systems since atari and nes, so do some research before you talk trash little one.

My over 200 ps1 games in my collection say hello:)

You cant have conversations nicely so you resort to bashing.

In my opinion Crysis is graphcis king, i play PC and consoles the same, im not a fanboy of either.

Well how about you post pics? or your PSN ID huh? I used to have a 360 but sold it for a PS3. Check my profile or just go to xbox.com for proof. Yet you dont have proof.

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#16 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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MGS4 won pretty much everywhere, not just on gamespot. Stop complaining Couth_
The problem with that is Gamespot gave the award to MGSIV in "Technical Graphics", normally other gaming websites just do Best Graphics in general, which incorporate a lot of other variables in determining who has the best graphics.
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#17 BioShockOwnz
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MGS4 won pretty much everywhere, not just on gamespot. Stop complaining Couth_

Too many blind people and not enough seeing eye dogs, methinks. :(

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#19 kozzy1234
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[QUOTE="kozzy1234"][QUOTE="Kratos-Sackboy"]

Doubt it. Most of your comments are about bashing PS3 games and PS3 itself.

Kratos-Sackboy

LOL, my ps1, ps2 and ps3 dissagree with you fanboy.

I own all systems this gen and almost all systems since atari and nes, so do some research before you talk trash little one.

My over 200 ps1 games in my collection say hello:)

You cant have conversations nicely so you resort to bashing.

In my opinion Crysis is graphcis king, i play PC and consoles the same, im not a fanboy of either.

Well how about you post pics? or your PSN ID huh? I used to have a 360 but sold it for a PS3. Check my profile or just go to xbox.com for proof. Yet you dont have proof.

Might take me awhile to post all my ps1 and ps2 games, but there is my ps3 and MGS4 :P

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#20 BioShockOwnz
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Oh snap, Kozzy! You got him good. :P It reminds me of the times when people say I don't own PS3, then bam! :D
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#21 kozzy1234
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Oh snap, Kozzy! You got him good. :P It reminds me of the times when people say I don't own PS3, then bam! :DBioShockOwnz

haha, yeah good times Bioshock good times. I remember a bunch of times when people called you out foolishly :lol:

If i post my ps1 and ps2 game collection he might do a suicide account:lol:

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#22 lowe0
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Oh snap, Kozzy! You got him good. :P It reminds me of the times when people say I don't own PS3, then bam! :DBioShockOwnz
Lot of that going around here. "You don't have the exact same opinion I do - you must not have played this!" Whether it's a PC, Crysis, a PS3... hell, I actually was accused of fabricating my degree and career once. It's sad that "you must be lying" passes for an acceptable argument around here.
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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Oh snap, Kozzy! You got him good. :P It reminds me of the times when people say I don't own PS3, then bam! :Dlowe0
Lot of that going around here. "You don't have the exact same opinion I do - you must not have played this!" Whether it's a PC, Crysis, a PS3... hell, I actually was accused of fabricating my degree and career once. It's sad that "you must be lying" passes for an acceptable argument around here.

haha, lying about your degree and career:roll:

Have to be pretty sad to have to lie like that, i agree that some people need to relize that when people done have the same opinion as you, it doesnt mean they are a fanboy. I love videogames, period... pc and consoles.

I have some issues with all consoles though this gen. 360 has had faulty hardware, PS3 has had a big lack of RPGS compared to ps1 and ps2 (and im a rpg fiend). Wii not enough games besides mario spin offs. And PC has to much piracy. No console is perfect imo. I wish people would stop throwing the fanboy term out there so often.

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#24 f50p90
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People still crying over this? Did anyone even read the explanation GS gave
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#25 EuroMafia
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Nope it did not.
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#26 Captain__Tripps
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These awards are likely bought and paid for, like many a review.... not worth getting upset over. Well, maybe that reviews/awards are paid for is worth being upset over, but not specifically as far as crysis losing...
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#27 100000
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Crysis won techincal graphics of 2007, so having a different game win the same award in 2008 is fine with me.

Original poster is right, Crysis Warhead blows MGS4 in graphics out of the water (I own both games). BUT, MGS4 does exceed Crysis in the fluidness in its cutscenes (animation). In that sense, MGS4 does beat Crysis. There is more to graphics than just texture and lighting quality.

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#28 dantesergei
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i think crysis won last year so it will be stupid that it win again specially if they are the same graphics used in the original crysis.

MGS4 won because its a totally new graphics engine, common everything in MGS4 looks and the most important thing, FEELS super realistic, the things are there even if you cant see it the way snakes push the trigger of any weapon without his finger crossing to the other side of the gun, or when reloading the grenade laucher you can see the grenade inside the weapon, his octocam can adapt every freaking texture you can touch in the game and beside theres no single glitch, its a flawless graphic engine thats why it won and if you have the chance to see the Bonus Blu-Ray disc that came with the Limited edition i suggest you go and watch it and see how much love the team has put in making this game.

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These awards are likely bought and paid for, like many a review.... not worth getting upset over. Well, maybe that reviews/awards are paid for is worth being upset over, but not specifically as far as crysis losing...Captain__Tripps

So Crytek paid for their award last year? Since the awards are "bought and paid for" right :roll:

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[QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"]These awards are likely bought and paid for, like many a review.... not worth getting upset over. Well, maybe that reviews/awards are paid for is worth being upset over, but not specifically as far as crysis losing...jasonheyman

So Crytek paid for their award last year? Since the awards are "bought and paid for" right :roll:

Hey, im just saying these types of awards are not exactly on the level, and money can sway things. No I dont think every winner was paid for, but MGS winning best technical graphics is a joke, even if Crysis wasn't to win, its still a joke.
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Well, technically, MGS4 or GTA IV running on PS3 hardware is more technically impressive than crysis warhead visuals on a top end gaming PC.
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#32 Rigga911
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crysis is an old game
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[QUOTE="kozzy1234"][QUOTE="Kratos-Sackboy"]

Doubt it. Most of your comments are about bashing PS3 games and PS3 itself.

Kratos-Sackboy

LOL, my ps1, ps2 and ps3 dissagree with you fanboy.

I own all systems this gen and almost all systems since atari and nes, so do some research before you talk trash little one.

My over 200 ps1 games in my collection say hello:)

You cant have conversations nicely so you resort to bashing.

In my opinion Crysis is graphcis king, i play PC and consoles the same, im not a fanboy of either.

Well how about you post pics? or your PSN ID huh? I used to have a 360 but sold it for a PS3. Check my profile or just go to xbox.com for proof. Yet you dont have proof.

I have a ps3 (PSN ID is same as XBL Gamertag). Crysis and Warhead have much better graphics than MGS4.
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Well, technically, MGS4 or GTA IV running on PS3 hardware is more technically impressive than crysis warhead visuals on a top end gaming PC. munu9

Not true. Have you ever heard of dedicated hardware? Crysis has to be the most optimized game I have ever seen. MGS4 has its share of frame-rate drops

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Its crysis warhead an expansion pack that came out 10 months after crysis .How hard is it to comprehend this? Verses a game that had how many years of Dev time and how many millions of dollars spent on it . It should be obvious that this award takes all aspects of development into consideration including hardware limitation's and what Dev's must go through to simulate or fake effect's that the pc can achieve with a library all ready compiled for them. It takes talented artists and lots of optimization to achieve the level of immersion in mgs4 the attention to detail with such limited hardware is rarely seen. If this was all about specs and not what was technically done to immerse the user you wold never EVER see a console game on that list.

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this:
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[QUOTE="munu9"]Well, technically, MGS4 or GTA IV running on PS3 hardware is more technically impressive than crysis warhead visuals on a top end gaming PC. 100000

Not true. Have you ever heard of dedicated hardware? Crysis has to be the most optimized game I have ever seen. MGS4 has its share of frame-rate drops

So? To run crysis even on high, where it begins to look significantly better than any PS3 game, you need a gaming PC at least twice as powerful as the PS3. I suppose the writers didn't think crysis looked twice as good as MGS4.
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Well, technically, MGS4 or GTA IV running on PS3 hardware is more technically impressive than crysis warhead visuals on a top end gaming PC. munu9

hell no, i own MGS4, GTA IV and Crysis Warhead and its not even close, Crysis Warhead graphics on my pc >>>> MGS4, GTIV, Gears of war2 graphicson my ps3 and 360.

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Its crysis warhead an expansion pack that came out 10 months after crysis .How hard is it to comprehend this? Verses a game that had how many years of Dev time and how many millions of dollars spent on it . It should be obvious that this award takes all aspects of development into consideration including hardware limitation's and what Dev's must go through to simulate or fake effect's that the pc can achieve with a library all ready compiled for them. It takes talented artists and lots of optimization to achieve the level of immersion in mgs4 the attention to detail with such limited hardware is rarely seen. If this was all about specs and not what was technically done to immerse the user you wold never EVER see a console game on that list.

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it was a completely standalone game made by a different team. Those aspects should not play a role in "best technical graphics". Being 'fair' and giving people stage time is counterproductive to the purpose of the rewards in the first place; to reward them for what they have really achieved. The facts of the matter are simple; Crysis far surpasses Metal Gear solid 4 in technical graphics, and with this stand alone game and the further optimization, it should have received the award.
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[QUOTE="munu9"]Well, technically, MGS4 or GTA IV running on PS3 hardware is more technically impressive than crysis warhead visuals on a top end gaming PC. kozzy1234

hell no, i own MGS4, GTA IV and Crysis Warhead and its not even close, Crysis Warhead graphics on my pc >>>> MGS4, GTIV, Gears of war2 graphicson my ps3 and 360.

That's not my point! My point is it's more technically impressive to get a game like MGS4 running on PS3 hardware than it is to get a game like crysis warhead to run on a gaming PC. Anyone can make a game more technically impressive just in graphics than MGS4 if they have powerful enough hardware. But to be limited to PS3 hardware and make a game like MGS4 is apparently more impressive than crysis on gaming PC's
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#42 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="munu9"] That's not my point! My point is it's more technically impressive to get a game like MGS4 running on PS3 hardware than it is to get a game like crysis warhead to run on a gaming PC. Anyone can make a game more technically impressive just in graphics than MGS4 if they have powerful enough hardware. But to be limited to PS3 hardware and make a game like MGS4 is apparently more impressive than crysis on gaming PC's

Best technical graphics. This isn't best technical optimization.
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#43 kozzy1234
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[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

[QUOTE="munu9"]Well, technically, MGS4 or GTA IV running on PS3 hardware is more technically impressive than crysis warhead visuals on a top end gaming PC. munu9

hell no, i own MGS4, GTA IV and Crysis Warhead and its not even close, Crysis Warhead graphics on my pc >>>> MGS4, GTIV, Gears of war2 graphicson my ps3 and 360.

That's not my point! My point is it's more technically impressive to get a game like MGS4 running on PS3 hardware than it is to get a game like crysis warhead to run on a gaming PC. Anyone can make a game more technically impressive just in graphics than MGS4 if they have powerful enough hardware. But to be limited to PS3 hardware and make a game like MGS4 is apparently more impressive than crysis on gaming PC's

Yeah i see what your saying and partly agree, but its just that having both games running next to each other at the same time shows me that Crysis Warhead isjust so much better graphically. I do agree though that what they did with MGS4 is amazing graphically, especially for a console.

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#44 munu9
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="munu9"] That's not my point! My point is it's more technically impressive to get a game like MGS4 running on PS3 hardware than it is to get a game like crysis warhead to run on a gaming PC. Anyone can make a game more technically impressive just in graphics than MGS4 if they have powerful enough hardware. But to be limited to PS3 hardware and make a game like MGS4 is apparently more impressive than crysis on gaming PC's

Best technical graphics. This isn't best technical optimization.

Well, I guess technical optimization was a criteria in overall best technical graphics
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#45 ArisShadows
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MGS4 doesnt look better than Warhead, but I believe it won because it advance technical aspect of graphics. Warhead verus previous Crysis VERUS Metal Gear Solid verus previous similiar games.
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#46 Captain__Tripps
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Well, technically, MGS4 or GTA IV running on PS3 hardware is more technically impressive than crysis warhead visuals on a top end gaming PC. munu9
If thats the way they are judging, then just disqualify the PC...
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#47 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="munu9"] Well, I guess technical optimization was a criteria in overall best technical graphics

Best technical graphics is strictly about the graphics themselves. As far as the graphics themselves go, Crysis far surpasses anything that Metal Gear Solid provides in terms of technical parts of the engines being used. Making a case for optimization would be extremely hard to do, as I doubt anyone at gamespot even knows enough to make such judgements.
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#48 munu9
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[QUOTE="munu9"]Well, technically, MGS4 or GTA IV running on PS3 hardware is more technically impressive than crysis warhead visuals on a top end gaming PC. Captain__Tripps
If thats the way they are judging, then just disqualify the PC...

Not really, if we were judging HL2 against other games back when it came out. That would probably win back then. HL2 could truly run on some crappy rigs and still have great graphics and physics.
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#49 munu9
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="munu9"] Well, I guess technical optimization was a criteria in overall best technical graphics

Best technical graphics is strictly about the graphics themselves. As far as the graphics themselves go, Crysis far surpasses anything that Metal Gear Solid provides in terms of technical parts of the engines being used. Making a case for optimization would be extremely hard to do, as I doubt anyone at gamespot even knows enough to make such judgements.

How would it be hard to make a judgment? All you need to know is what MGS4 looks like, what Crysis warhead looks like, and what kind of hardware they can run on and compare.
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#50 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="munu9"] How would it be hard to make a judgment? All you need to know is what MGS4 looks like, what Crysis warhead looks like, and what kind of hardware they can run on and compare.

What they look like isn't enough to make judgements about optimization, shaders, hardware utilization, and the hours spent in optimization and other random areas of graphics. Technical graphcis are much more convoluted than "Lawl i think this looks pretty".