DVD>>>>>>Blu-Ray

Even with the format war loss of HD-DVD Blu-Ray sales have slipped to a very under par levels from What Sony had hoped for. Sales are basically abysmal for Blu-Ray players and movies. Funny thing is in recent adds Sony has stooped to praising DVD's in commercials promoting how they play great in there Blu-Ray players.

Basically no one is really buying stand alone Blu-Ray players not enough to make any real impact at this point. And with PS3 sales laughable at best for what Sony had hoped for.

DVD>>>Blu-Ray. DVD sales are still very strong.

Improved tech > old tech. Deal with it. tmntPunchout

That's not the point. The sales STINK.

And with the economy and cost of gas has really put a major damper on Sony's expectations with Blu-Ray.

The sales of Blu Ray not being as good is the price. Alot of people have yet to want to spend $25 - 30 on a Blu Ray when they can get the DVD for $15.

This happened when DVD was first released.

Well, I just got a setup of a sweet 720p 40" Samsung LCD, Upconvert DVD player and an HDMI cable, looks pretty decent. Better than decent it looks great, I don't really see the need for Blu-ray, there is a noticable difference but I don't think It's all too necessary for a casual HDTV setup.

go watch a blu ray movie on an HDTV and then watch a DVD,,, the only reason bluray isnt catching on so well is because of the price, and the public is always reluctant to new technology (especially at a great cost).... it was the same way when DVDs came out, but Im guessing you also think VHS > DVD, right.

Its pretty pathetic, when you need to come onto a forum and bash one of the great features of a PS3, basically just because your beloved 360 has last gen software.

New account just for that?

The sales of Blu Ray not being as good is the price. Alot of people have yet to want to spend $25 - 30 on a Blu Ray when they can get the DVD for $15.

This happened when DVD was first released.

Vasichko

[QUOTE="tmntPunchout"]Improved tech > old tech. Deal with it. Fish_Muffins

That's not the point. The sales STINK.

And with the economy and cost of gas has really put a major damper on Sony's expectations with Blu-Ray.

it will probably become the standard in the future though.

Dude w/e.

DVD's make me barf when I look at them on a 1080p monitor.

If you aren't limited to a standard TV, blu ray is the way to go.

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[QUOTE="tmntPunchout"]Improved tech > old tech. Deal with it. tmntPunchout

That's not the point. The sales STINK.

And with the economy and cost of gas has really put a major damper on Sony's expectations with Blu-Ray.

it will probably become the standard in the future though.

Here is the thing. It was such a tremendous difference between VHS and DVD. The public was really ready for it. And loved it.

Problem is. That most are ok with DVD being the viewing pinnacle. Especially with a DVD upcovert. It looks almost as good as Blu-Ray. I mean it's almost that good. With a 1080P TV an upcoverted DVD looks great.

By the time. Blu-Ray could catch on more to the masses. We could have a better solution. Or Digital download will be the wave of the real future.

people are buying HDTV's because they are much better picture than STV,,, eventually they will wanna play movies to their fullest capacity.

To the TC,, itd be one thing to just come out and bash blu ray (which is dumb,, as everybody knows DVD started slowly),, its just the fact that your underlying argument is obviously to belittle one of the PS3's main selling points. Thats where any credible argument is lost in fanboyish ramblings

Newer forms of technology is slow to adapt, a natural expected outcome for the Blu-Ray format.

Yes, it is slow to adapt, but it still will become, eventually, the newer form of digital storage media to replace the DVD, just as the aforementioned replaced VHS.

Not only that, Blu-Ray is only worthwhile if you own a 1080p 40"+ TV Set. Most people don't even own a 720p HDTV, and DVDs don't look that much worse on a 720p compared to Blu-Ray.

Wait until the majority of the world view their medias in HD : that's when the need for Blu-Ray will increase.

black and white TV >>> HDTVdef_mode

Black and white comic books >>>>>> HDTV

Not only that, Blu-Ray is only worthwhile if you own a 1080p 40"+ TV Set. Most people don't even own a 720p HDTV, and DVDs don't look that much worse on a 720p compared to Blu-Ray.

Brainhunter

Then why even get an HDTV? Why even get HD programming? The native resolution of DVD is 480i, same as standard digital cable. 720p from a Bluray is going to be much, much better than a native source of 480i material.

Well they are more expensive than regular DVD's. And most people wont see what the big deal is really.

To see the benefit in Blu ray you need a lot more things right in comparison to the boost in quality DVD had over VHS.

First you need an HD TV.

Not only do you need an HD TV but you need to have an HD TV that is the right size for the room you are watching it in. If you sit too close to it you lose all the benefit of having an HD TV in the first place. And if you sit close enough it even looks worse than SD.

Second you need a blu ray movie that is actually a high quality encode. Taken from a high quality print. If you stick to new movies you'll mostly be alright. But catalogue titles vary a in quality alot. You really have to do your research before buying a blu ray movie. The chance of buying a dud with a crappy encode from a bad quality print is really high.

Third you need to know how to set up your TV and player to get the best out of it.

A DVD player you would just hook up to your old TV. Buy (mostly) any dvd and you'd see a huge difference over VHS.

Blu ray right now is in no way capable of competing with that. Not when it comes to the average consumer.

When everything fall into place DVD cant compete with Blu ray on audio and Visual quality. Unfortunately it takes a lot of steps to get there. So I see DVD having the biggest market share for a long time.

I hope Blu ray lasts though. there is no way I'm going to be satisfied with watching so called HD downloads that are so compressed and with bit-rates so low I might as well watch an up-scaled DVD.

$35 is to much for a movie. You can rent it for $5.00, which is the only way to go. If I had to buy all my Blu-ray movies I would not even have one.VladTheImpaler

I'm not sure where everyone is getting this $35 stuff. Cloverfield is being released on Bluray on June 3rd for $19.95 at Amazon. It's on DVD for $15.99 at Amazon. That's a whopping $3.95 difference. Even not so old movies like 300 are already down to $17 on Bluray. The $35 number is thrown around WAY too much here.

I purchased a DVD player pretty early on in it's life, It definitely was not fast :cry:

If you stick to new movies you'll mostly be alright. But catalogue titles vary a in quality alot. You really have to do your research before buying a blu ray movie. The chance of buying a dud with a crappy MPEG2 encode from a bad quality print is really high.

Gaara79

Some of the best Bluray films are MPEG2 encodes. In fact, MPEG2 can look better than the same material encoded in VC-1 or h.264 depending on various factors.

[QUOTE="VladTheImpaler"]$35 is to much for a movie. You can rent it for $5.00, which is the only way to go. If I had to buy all my Blu-ray movies I would not even have one.ramey70

I'm not sure where everyone is getting this $35 stuff. Cloverfield is being released on Bluray on June 3rd for $19.95 at Amazon. It's on DVD for $15.99 at Amazon. That's a whopping $3.95 difference. Even not so old movies like 300 are already down to $17 on Bluray. The $35 number is thrown around WAY too much here.

I'm not taken away from you're point at all but I wouldn't buy Cloverfield for $5.

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[QUOTE="VladTheImpaler"]$35 is to much for a movie. You can rent it for $5.00, which is the only way to go. If I had to buy all my Blu-ray movies I would not even have one.FragTycoon

I'm not sure where everyone is getting this $35 stuff. Cloverfield is being released on Bluray on June 3rd for $19.95 at Amazon. It's on DVD for $15.99 at Amazon. That's a whopping $3.95 difference. Even not so old movies like 300 are already down to $17 on Bluray. The $35 number is thrown around WAY too much here.

I'm not taken away from you're point at all but I wouldn't buy Cloverfield for $5.

No doubt. In fact, they should have paid me when I left the theater.

[QUOTE="Gaara79"]

If you stick to new movies you'll mostly be alright. But catalogue titles vary a in quality alot. You really have to do your research before buying a blu ray movie. The chance of buying a dud with a crappy MPEG2 encode from a bad quality print is really high.

ramey70

Some of the best Bluray films are MPEG2 encodes. In fact, MPEG2 can look better than the same material encoded in VC-1 or h.264 depending on various factors.

Yeah It can look great, just like any other encode can look like crap. I didnt mean to bash on all MPEG2 encodes it was just an example:P But I took it out now. Dont want to seem like i'm bashing anything except crappy encodes period;)

[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="Gaara79"]

If you stick to new movies you'll mostly be alright. But catalogue titles vary a in quality alot. You really have to do your research before buying a blu ray movie. The chance of buying a dud with a crappy MPEG2 encode from a bad quality print is really high.

Gaara79

Some of the best Bluray films are MPEG2 encodes. In fact, MPEG2 can look better than the same material encoded in VC-1 or h.264 depending on various factors.

Yeah It can look great, just like any other encode can look like crap. I didnt mean to bash on all MPEG2 encodes it was just an example:P But I took it out now. Dont want to seem like i'm bashing anything except crappy encodes period;)

No problem. The key is the bitrate each encode recives. h.264 (MPEG4, Part 10) will look as good as MPEG with half the bitrate. That is, a 13mbps h.265 encode should like exactly like a 25mbps MPEG2 encode. The problem with early Bluray films were the single layer 25GB BD discs only allowed low bitrate MPEG2 encodes. The dual layer 50GB discs alleviated this problem for the most part.

The sales of Blu Ray not being as good is the price. Alot of people have yet to want to spend $25 - 30 on a Blu Ray when they can get the DVD for $15.

This happened when DVD was first released.

Vasichko

QFT.

and VCR>DVD

only reason DVD's are better is portability, otherwise I can tell no difference

Blu-ray will never be as successful as DVD was. HD On-Demand and HD digital downloads (via xbox live, websites) are growing at a faster rate than Blu-ray. Sure, people are going to want to purchase certain Blu-ray movies to keep at their house, but rentals will be OWNED by digital distribution in a couple years.

and VCR>DVD

only reason DVD's are better is portability, otherwise I can tell no difference

krunkfu2

Ok. Lets not get silly now. As far as picture quality goes DVD>VCR in a heartbeat. Also DVDs have menus and stuff with no rewinding, which is huge. The only difference Blu-ray has is picture quality over DVDs.

and VCR>DVD

only reason DVD's are better is portability, otherwise I can tell no difference

krunkfu2

Umm you forgot the most important reason, that you dont have to rewind dvds. I wont purchase Bluray movies at all. They just dont provide a worthy reason over DVD. Ohh a bit nicer picture to go with the terrible story. I think when DVDs and Bluray movies are at the same price that is when it will take off. But by then Bluray will compete with Online Purchases or Illegals and the up and coming Flash.

omg you people are so dense sometimes...

Just because Blu-ray "beat" HD-DVD doesn't mean it won anything. Face it, DVD was leaps and bounds beyond VHS, Blu-ray is only so so more advanced than DVD. The mainstream will never change formats for such an incremental change. The next mainstream format will have to be much more different than DVD, not just a little..

Improved tech > old tech. Deal with it. tmntPunchout

Wait a second, as much as your completely correct with your comment, the TC is equally correct when he says that the sales and acceptance of Blu-Ray has been very sub-par.

The sales indeed have not taken off as expected and may never take off, or this is just the calm before the storm, only time will tell. As of right now I myself will be picking up a Blu-Ray player soon as i would love to see some of my fav movies in high def.

One thing we here must not forget about is that the vast majority of people do not have a High def TV yet, or even a High def TV large enough to see much of a difference. Also watching high def on a 26" TV or lower is not going to be a big enough difference in picture quality to warrant a $400 purchase for a player and then $30-$35 per movie (canadian dollars). I think thats most of the reason the sales have not been good.

Even with the format war loss of HD-DVD Blu-Ray sales have slipped to a very under par levels from What Sony had hoped for. Sales are basically abysmal for Blu-Ray players and movies. Funny thing is in recent adds Sony has stooped to praising DVD's in commercials promoting how they play great in there Blu-Ray players.

Basically no one is really buying stand alone Blu-Ray players not enough to make any real impact at this point. And with PS3 sales laughable at best for what Sony had hoped for.

DVD>>>Blu-Ray. DVD sales are still very strong.

Fish_Muffins

well, what do you expect? DVD Movies cost like 20 Dollars (People get them Bootlegged = even cheaper) while Blu Ray cost like 35 Dollars.It takes time for new technology to surpass old technology in the market.

Now if you said DVD was better cause of compression and read/write speed, you would be correct.

Blu Ray will reach the same speed as DVD and have up too 300GB a disc (prototype)

Hate to be a kill joy, but how exactly is DVD vs. Bluray related to system wars. The PS3 hasn't really been referred to at all.

Blu-ray will never be as successful as DVD was. HD On-Demand and HD digital downloads (via xbox live, websites) are growing at a faster rate than Blu-ray. Sure, people are going to want to purchase certain Blu-ray movies to keep at their house, but rentals will be OWNED by digital distribution in a couple years.

tccavey2

people who rent, will rent (no matter what the medium). Purchasing has not come to that point yet. Allot of people including myself want a solid media for movies/games. There is a inherent problem with downloads that they have yet to address. How do you keep the software/movie mobile? we aren't talking about a 1g vid file here.

How much HD downloads would it take to fill up the largest 360 drive right now?

What If you want to watch that movie in a different room?

what if you wanted to let a friend borrow it?

what if you wanted to sell it?

Hate to be a kill joy, but how exactly is DVD vs. Bluray related to system wars. The PS3 hasn't really been referred to at all.

Lionheart08

Actually i wasnt even thinking about that, your right LOL. Oh well.

Wait, The PS3 Blu-Ray player is garbage and thats why its not selling well right now!!!! I figured it out guys!!! (there now its relavent ;)

[QUOTE="tmntPunchout"]Improved tech > old tech. Deal with it. cohmiracleman

Wait a second, as much as your completely correct with your comment, the TC is equally correct when he says that the sales and acceptance of Blu-Ray has been very sub-par.

The sales indeed have not taken off as expected and may never take off, or this is just the calm before the storm, only time will tell. As of right now I myself will be picking up a Blu-Ray player soon as i would love to see some of my fav movies in high def.

One thing we here must not forget about is that the vast majority of people do not have a High def TV yet, or even a High def TV large enough to see much of a difference. Also watching high def on a 26" TV or lower is not going to be a big enough difference in picture quality to warrant a $400 purchase for a player and then $30-$35 per movie (canadian dollars). I think thats most of the reason the sales have not been good.

Actually Blu ray adoption has been faster then DVD. People forget DVD was around for a while before it actually became standard.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/03/30/digital-playground-thrilled-with-blu-ray-adoption-rate-seeks-to/

According to head honcho Joone, "Blu-ray sales [of its productions] are growing every month," and most interestingly, he's "seeing consumers accept Blu-ray much faster than they accepted DVD."

Also I think movie companies are pushing the format themselves, believing that pirating and not crappy movies is the cause for loss in revenue. :P

[QUOTE="cohmiracleman"]

[QUOTE="tmntPunchout"]Improved tech > old tech. Deal with it. Javy03

Wait a second, as much as your completely correct with your comment, the TC is equally correct when he says that the sales and acceptance of Blu-Ray has been very sub-par.

The sales indeed have not taken off as expected and may never take off, or this is just the calm before the storm, only time will tell. As of right now I myself will be picking up a Blu-Ray player soon as i would love to see some of my fav movies in high def.

One thing we here must not forget about is that the vast majority of people do not have a High def TV yet, or even a High def TV large enough to see much of a difference. Also watching high def on a 26" TV or lower is not going to be a big enough difference in picture quality to warrant a $400 purchase for a player and then $30-$35 per movie (canadian dollars). I think thats most of the reason the sales have not been good.

Actually Blu ray adoption has been faster then DVD. People forget DVD was around for a while before it actually became standard.

Your right except i wasnt comparing DVD adoption with Blu-Ray adoption. Blu-Ray sales are not living up to the expectation that sony and most some anylists predicted, and thus was the point of my post, and i listed some of the reasons i believe to be contributing factors in the format not doing so well right now.