David Cage: "Sequels kills creativity and innovation"

"Many people want more of the same.Und wenn man ihnen das gibt, kaufen sie es gern, so Cage. Das Ergebnis ist recht einfach: Spieler investieren in Publisher, die kein Interesse an Innovationen haben.And if you give them that are, they buy it gladly. "Sun Cage" The result is quite simple: invest in players publishers who have no interest in innovation.Sie ermutigen sie dazu, jedes Jahr zu Weihnachten das Gleiche zu machen.You encourage them to make every year at Christmas the same.Wenn du an Innovation interessiert bist und glaubst, dass Spiele mehr als nur Shooter sein können, dann realisiert man, dass Fortsetzungen die Kreativität und die Innovationen killen können.If you are interested in innovation and believe that games can be more than just shooter, then you realize that sequels can kill creativity and innovation. " "

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Is not all true. Back in the good old NES-PS2 days, developers always try to top the original when making sequels.

GTA 3 through San Andreas is a good example.

Nothing about being a sequel prevents a developer from adding new ideas, so I disagree with Mr. Cage

Well, I suppose that's kind of technically true, because a sequel usually lies in a similar style to it's predecessor. Much of the creativity/innovation is already done, there isn't room for a whole lot more.

But like, it's technically true that the best way of assessing human body composition is to do a dissection. I think people would get upset if we only offered this. I also think people often want sequels.

I tend to look at each game standing alone, off it's own merits.

Wrong way of thinking about it, Mr. Cage. Wrong way.

Wrong way of thinking about it, Mr. Cage. Wrong way.

NeonNinja

David Cage: "Sequels kills creativity and innovation"

Gamer " David Cage kills gameplay"

Go direct your next movie for the PS3 turd. Woohoo move controller up and down to bruth teeth and now side to side to use soap.

move controller up and down to bruth teeth and now side to side to use soap.

CanYouDiglt

You seen this Mega64 parody?

[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]move controller up and down to bruth teeth and now side to side to use soap.

psymon100

You seen this Mega64 parody?

Remind me again, Cage; what was so innovative about Farhenheit or Heavy Rain?

System warriors really don't think beyond their nose.... =/

Maybe so Mr. Cage... but miss on a new IP and that kills Developers / Studios / Entire Companies

I tend to agree. When you are creating a sequel you start with a framework and a set of "rules" already established, but the sky's the limit with new IP's.

getyeryayasout

This, how can anyone disagree with it? New IP's are where creativity lies, no boundaries what so ever, look at bungie now and imagine if they were still doing Halo.

This is why I love team Ico, no sequels only new IP's, and they're all master pieces.

Halo 5, Uncharted 4, Gears 4, Diablo 4, FFXV, yh there's gonna be a lot of innovation there /Sarcasm

System warriors really don't think beyond their nose.... =/

Gue1

Pretty much.

Oh, wow the guy who wrote Heavy Rain is saying something stupid again and pointing to his own work as what the industry should be. No surprise there. What's funny is that Heavy Rain plays like a sequel to Indigo Prophecy (his previous game), only Heavy Rain is poorly written in every way, gives away it's ending (which also creates giant plot holes), and the choices made in Heavy Rain effect the game less then the choices did in Indigo Prophecy. Legolas_Katarn

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I tend to agree. When you are creating a sequel you start with a framework and a set of "rules" already established, but the sky's the limit with new IP's.

Clock-w0rk

This, how can anyone disagree with it? New IP's are where creativity lies, no boundaries what so ever, look at bungie now and imagine if they were still doing Halo.

This is why I love team Ico, no sequels only new IP's, and they're all master pieces.

Halo 5, Uncharted 4, Gears 4, Diablo 4, FFXV, yh there's gonna be a lot of innovation there /Sarcasm

I agree with you... but you can't clump FF in with the other games you mentioned. Yes it may be on approaching #15, but each game is so drastically different than the previous, always trying to move the genre forward (even tho many people feel its backwards). With that exception aside, your point is well received.

I disagree, sequels are what improve a series if taken well. I know a lot of people on SW hate COD, but the series is still good. But I do agree that there do need to be some improvements made with each one, RockStar has the right idea.

[QUOTE="Legolas_Katarn"]Oh, wow the guy who wrote Heavy Rain is saying something stupid again and pointing to his own work as what the industry should be. No surprise there. What's funny is that Heavy Rain plays like a sequel to Indigo Prophecy (his previous game), only Heavy Rain is poorly written in every way, gives away it's ending (which also creates giant plot holes), and the choices made in Heavy Rain effect the game less then the choices did in Indigo Prophecy. Sushiglutton

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"][QUOTE="Legolas_Katarn"]Oh, wow the guy who wrote Heavy Rain is saying something stupid again and pointing to his own work as what the industry should be. No surprise there. What's funny is that Heavy Rain plays like a sequel to Indigo Prophecy (his previous game), only Heavy Rain is poorly written in every way, gives away it's ending (which also creates giant plot holes), and the choices made in Heavy Rain effect the game less then the choices did in Indigo Prophecy. Legolas_Katarn

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I tend to agree. When you are creating a sequel you start with a framework and a set of "rules" already established, but the sky's the limit with new IP's.

enzyme36

This, how can anyone disagree with it? New IP's are where creativity lies, no boundaries what so ever, look at bungie now and imagine if they were still doing Halo.

This is why I love team Ico, no sequels only new IP's, and they're all master pieces.

Halo 5, Uncharted 4, Gears 4, Diablo 4, FFXV, yh there's gonna be a lot of innovation there /Sarcasm

I agree with you... but you can't clump FF in with the other games you mentioned. Yes it may be on approaching #15, but each game is so drastically different than the previous, always trying to move the genre forward (even tho many people feel its backwards). With that exception aside, your point is well received.

Mhmm FF probably isn't the best example to use to get my point across, they do create new worlds, new chars etc, but that limitation of keeping the FF games in tone with the series is some what restricting to the devs.

I know what you mean though, it is fairly different.

What hurts innovation is increasing production costs. Higher stakes means devs take less risks.

I have played sequels that were more innovative than new IPs.

[QUOTE="Legolas_Katarn"][QUOTE="Sushiglutton"] Exactly, the mechanics are the same, he just reskin the games. Means they are not proper new IPs.Sushiglutton

Nothing about being a sequel prevents a developer from adding new ideas, so I disagree with Mr. Cage

Ly_the_Fairy

It depends on a sequel... if it is a COD sequel then yea of course it's retarted, it's the same and it kills innovation and creativity.

If it's a sequel to Mass Effect, to Gears of War, to Uncharted, to Elder's Scroll, to Fallout, to Zelda then fuk off Mr. Cage... I want that sequel because it brings me something new, it continues my experience in these worlds.

It depends really.There were A LOT of sequels in the past gen that were A Lot more innovative and creative than the new IPs were, but I suppose making a sequel doesn't help the chances of the new game being completely original...

Nothing about being a sequel prevents a developer from adding new ideas, so I disagree with Mr. Cage

Ly_the_Fairy

This, a new IP lacking fresh ideas is just as bad as a rehashed sequel...

As you said, nothing stops a dev from adding fresh ideas to an already existing IP, while at the same time, a new IP doesn't necessarily brings innovation...

People like David Cage is whats wrong with the Game Industry. Who cares about his "creative" ideas, when he can't even make a blockbuster seller.

nothing wrong with sequels they can add improvements to the game like quake 1 no crouch and still nobody knows how to add crouch today to the game.

quake 2 has crouch though.

What hurts innovation is increasing production costs. Higher stakes means devs take less risks.

I have played sequels that were more innovative than new IPs.

Maroxad

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What hurts innovation is increasing production costs. Higher stakes means devs take less risks.

I have played sequels that were more innovative than new IPs.

GunSmith1_basic

And with that attitude, it will destroy Cage's career. He has to remember that he's still making games and his job is to make games that will sell to feed his family (if he has one).

I think once it reaches a certain point it does. A fine example would be COD but then again people only play COD for MP.

A translation to what Cage says:

"All games should be interactive movies like Heavy Rain. It is the best game of all time and it isn't even a game. If you need me, I'm gonna make a game that is nothing but cutscenes starring Ellen Page called Beyond: Two Souls. You're just jelly that it'll be better than Grand Theft Auto 5 and if GTA5 wins GOTY 2013, then you are all f@&&0ts."

People like David Cage is whats wrong with the Game Industry. Who cares about his "creative" ideas, when he can't even make a blockbuster seller.

FireEmblem_Man

[QUOTE="Legolas_Katarn"]Oh, wow the guy who wrote Heavy Rain is saying something stupid again and pointing to his own work as what the industry should be. No surprise there. What's funny is that Heavy Rain plays like a sequel to Indigo Prophecy (his previous game), only Heavy Rain is poorly written in every way, gives away it's ending (which also creates giant plot holes), and the choices made in Heavy Rain effect the game less then the choices did in Indigo Prophecy. Sushiglutton

A translation to what Cage says:

"All games should be interactive movies like Heavy Rain. It is the best game of all time and it isn't even a game. If you need me, I'm gonna make a game that is nothing but cutscenes starring Ellen Page called Beyond: Two Souls. You're just jelly that it'll be better than Grand Theft Auto 5 and if GTA5 wins GOTY 2013, then you are all f@&&0ts."

sonic1564

Cage is correct and thats why gamers are the worst people on the planet. Nintendo is proof the have been doing the same crap for 25 years. The gaming industry relies on sequals and it will hurt it in the long run. Gamers just want to play the same crap over and over again

David's right again! Half-life 2, Uncharted 2, Mass Effect 2, and Guild Wars 2 were some of the WORST games I've ever played and utterly destroyed any creativity the franchise once had.

DERP!

David Cage: "Sequels kills creativity and innovation"

Gamer " David Cage kills gameplay"

Go direct your next movie for the PS3 turd. Woohoo move controller up and down to bruth teeth and now side to side to use soap.

CanYouDiglt

Yeah It would be nice if we could play games like Mass Effect on PS3... Oh wait you can! I'm sorry I keep forgeting 360 got no games. I guess you just keep picking losers don't you? *cough* Romney.