Dawn of War 2 vs Starcraft 2

Topics like this are never really a good idea.

"That" point of much debate came up. It will turn into a flamewar without end if its brought up.

No flame wars, surprising.. guess there's not really that much to say yet. I was hoping for a discussion but I guess it's best to wait for the games to come out.

Not gonna matter. By the time DoW2 is out SC2 will stop being the "hot new thing."XaosII

Dawn Of War 2 will emphasize on smaller-scaled wars where the user will take control of squads that from the sounds of it grow more powerful with wargears which is basically adds an RPG-type element into Relic's old-school capture this area for resources play. Like it's predeccessor, the game will depend on the users ability to use cover with it's individual squad (Taking notes from Company of Heroes which placed a big emphasis on cover than the original DOW), squads and melee combat.

Starcraft 2 will emphasize on a users ability to quickly think, react and use his hotkeys to quickly establish a base as fast as possible (Starcraft is still the fastest competitive RTS and Starcraft 2 hopefully doesnt change this) and also requiring a huge amount of micro over individual units or a small group of them (Muta-stack is a good example of requireing the appropiate micro). The strategy in Starcraft is seemingly infinite where new players learn new strategies even to this day and also heaviy puts an emphasis on expansion, building up one's momentum over the other. Starcraft 2 as far as I can tell will make it more noob-friendl by giving unlimited unit selection and smart-casting.

Overall I dont think these two RTS's are comparable.

Starcraft II easily.... lets put it this way..... DoW1 was good, Starcraft1 was AWESOME!... so chances are DoW2 will be good and SC2 will be AWESOME!Veterngamer

Yeah but it looks like SC2 is more of the same while Relic is trying something new, I never played CoH so I'm dying to play a game with some of those mechanics but even more refined.

I don't choose one over the other.Lonelynight

Dawn Of War 2 will emphasize on smaller-scaled wars where the user will take control of squads that from the sounds of it grow more powerful with wargears which is basically adds an RPG-type element into Relic's old-school capture this area for resources play. Like it's predeccessor, the game will depend on the users ability to use cover with it's individual squad (Taking notes from Company of Heroes which placed a big emphasis on cover than the original DOW), squads and melee combat.

Starcraft 2 will emphasize on a users ability to quickly think, react and use his hotkeys to quickly establish a base as fast as possible (Starcraft is still the fastest competitive RTS and Starcraft 2 hopefully doesnt change this) and also requiring a huge amount of micro over individual units or a small group of them (Muta-stack is a good example of requireing the appropiate micro). The strategy in Starcraft is seemingly infinite where new players learn new strategies even to this day and also heaviy puts an emphasis on expansion, building up one's momentum over the other. Starcraft 2 as far as I can tell will make it more noob-friendl by giving unlimited unit selection and smart-casting.

Overall I dont think these two RTS's are comparable.

Haee

I don't choose one over the other.Lonelynight

You have committed the ultimate heresy, you have turned yourself away from the Emperor and away from his light, there is not any excuse for this heresy.

Dawn of Wars 2 isn't at the level with Starcraft 2. It will be a great game, but nowhere near SC2.ArisShadows

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"]Dawn of Wars 2 isn't at the level with Starcraft 2. It will be a great game, but nowhere near SC2.Juggernaut140

Starcraft 2. Dawn of War 2 got 82% on PC gamers review.ASK_Story

Dawn of War 2. SC2 looks like the original with a few new units and a fresh coat of paint. It should please the fans, but RTS have advanced in the past 10 years and a lot of gamers care less about resource collecting these days and more about jumping into the fray. Both will be good, but I'd rather have something that pushes the genre foward.myke2010

Im failing to see how Company of Heroes 1.5, i mean DoW 2, is "pushing the genre forward."

[QUOTE="myke2010"]Dawn of War 2. SC2 looks like the original with a few new units and a fresh coat of paint. It should please the fans, but RTS have advanced in the past 10 years and a lot of gamers care less about resource collecting these days and more about jumping into the fray. Both will be good, but I'd rather have something that pushes the genre foward.XaosII

Im failing to see how Company of Heroes 1.5, i mean DoW 2, is "pushing the genre forward."

Because it's actually trying something new by focusing more on tactics and less on resources and base building. Maybe it will work out, maybe it won't, but at least the attempt is being made to expand horizons.

On the other hand SC2 is more of the same. Yes, it's beautifully polished and should play great, but other then a graphics update what does it truly deliver?

I'm not bad mouthing either game, I just appreciate that Relic is willing to take risks in the genre.

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

[QUOTE="myke2010"]Dawn of War 2. SC2 looks like the original with a few new units and a fresh coat of paint. It should please the fans, but RTS have advanced in the past 10 years and a lot of gamers care less about resource collecting these days and more about jumping into the fray. Both will be good, but I'd rather have something that pushes the genre foward.myke2010

Im failing to see how Company of Heroes 1.5, i mean DoW 2, is "pushing the genre forward."

Because it's actually trying something new by focusing more on tactics and less on resources and base building. Maybe it will work out, maybe it won't, but at least the attempt is being made to expand horizons.

On the other hand SC2 is more of the same. Yes, it's beautifully polished and should play great, but other then a graphics update what does it truly deliver?

I'm not bad mouthing either game, I just appreciate that Relic is willing to take risks in the genre.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]I don't choose one over the other.xBarcadiax

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[QUOTE="myke2010"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

Im failing to see how Company of Heroes 1.5, i mean DoW 2, is "pushing the genre forward."

naval

Because it's actually trying something new by focusing more on tactics and less on resources and base building. Maybe it will work out, maybe it won't, but at least the attempt is being made to expand horizons.

On the other hand SC2 is more of the same. Yes, it's beautifully polished and should play great, but other then a graphics update what does it truly deliver?

I'm not bad mouthing either game, I just appreciate that Relic is willing to take risks in the genre.

Dawn Of War 2 will emphasize on smaller-scaled wars where the user will take control of squads that from the sounds of it grow more powerful with wargears which is basically adds an RPG-type element into Relic's old-school capture this area for resources play. Like it's predeccessor, the game will depend on the users ability to use cover with it's individual squad (Taking notes from Company of Heroes which placed a big emphasis on cover than the original DOW), squads and melee combat.

Starcraft 2 will emphasize on a users ability to quickly think, react and use his hotkeys to quickly establish a base as fast as possible (Starcraft is still the fastest competitive RTS and Starcraft 2 hopefully doesnt change this) and also requiring a huge amount of micro over individual units or a small group of them (Muta-stack is a good example of requireing the appropiate micro). The strategy in Starcraft is seemingly infinite where new players learn new strategies even to this day and also heaviy puts an emphasis on expansion, building up one's momentum over the other. Starcraft 2 as far as I can tell will make it more noob-friendl by giving unlimited unit selection and smart-casting.

Overall I dont think these two RTS's are comparable.

Haee

In fact, Starcraft never had much strategy. There is an ideal formula for unit production which would be the best way to success. It's only a matter of whether people discovered it or not. I never really liked the formula for Warcraft or Starcraft. If you get a Marine to challenge a Zealot . The Zealot will win no matter what. The direction of attack or morale has no effect, or completely non-existant whatsoever. When you think about it, what is the idea of strategy in the first place? Strategy allows you to get more out of the battle than you would have without any planning. So if the formula is that 1 Zealot can kill 3 marines, or namely 10 Zealots equals 30 Marines, than what is the point of strategy? What you need to have in order to kill 10 Zealots is have 35 Marines. Whereas, if by some manner, you manage to use 15 Marines to kill 10 Zealots, then maybe there is some strategy involved, maybe something like fear or demoralization.

[QUOTE="Haee"]

Dawn Of War 2 will emphasize on smaller-scaled wars where the user will take control of squads that from the sounds of it grow more powerful with wargears which is basically adds an RPG-type element into Relic's old-school capture this area for resources play. Like it's predeccessor, the game will depend on the users ability to use cover with it's individual squad (Taking notes from Company of Heroes which placed a big emphasis on cover than the original DOW), squads and melee combat.

Starcraft 2 will emphasize on a users ability to quickly think, react and use his hotkeys to quickly establish a base as fast as possible (Starcraft is still the fastest competitive RTS and Starcraft 2 hopefully doesnt change this) and also requiring a huge amount of micro over individual units or a small group of them (Muta-stack is a good example of requireing the appropiate micro). The strategy in Starcraft is seemingly infinite where new players learn new strategies even to this day and also heaviy puts an emphasis on expansion, building up one's momentum over the other. Starcraft 2 as far as I can tell will make it more noob-friendl by giving unlimited unit selection and smart-casting.

Overall I dont think these two RTS's are comparable.

jhcho2

In fact, Starcraft never had much strategy. There is an ideal formula for unit production which would be the best way to success. It's only a matter of whether people discovered it or not. I never really liked the formula for Warcraft or Starcraft. If you get a Marine to challenge a Zealot . The Zealot will win no matter what. The direction of attack or morale has no effect, or completely non-existant whatsoever. When you think about it, what is the idea of strategy in the first place? Strategy allows you to get more out of the battle than you would have without any planning. So if the formula is that 1 Zealot can kill 3 marines, or namely 10 Zealots equals 30 Marines, than what is the point of strategy? What you need to have in order to kill 10 Zealots is have 35 Marines. Whereas, if by some manner, you manage to use 15 Marines to kill 10 Zealots, then maybe there is some strategy involved, maybe something like fear or demoralization.

starcraft has become an e-sport for a reason and ignorance is not a bliss

[QUOTE="jhcho2"][QUOTE="Haee"]

Dawn Of War 2 will emphasize on smaller-scaled wars where the user will take control of squads that from the sounds of it grow more powerful with wargears which is basically adds an RPG-type element into Relic's old-school capture this area for resources play. Like it's predeccessor, the game will depend on the users ability to use cover with it's individual squad (Taking notes from Company of Heroes which placed a big emphasis on cover than the original DOW), squads and melee combat.

Starcraft 2 will emphasize on a users ability to quickly think, react and use his hotkeys to quickly establish a base as fast as possible (Starcraft is still the fastest competitive RTS and Starcraft 2 hopefully doesnt change this) and also requiring a huge amount of micro over individual units or a small group of them (Muta-stack is a good example of requireing the appropiate micro). The strategy in Starcraft is seemingly infinite where new players learn new strategies even to this day and also heaviy puts an emphasis on expansion, building up one's momentum over the other. Starcraft 2 as far as I can tell will make it more noob-friendl by giving unlimited unit selection and smart-casting.

Overall I dont think these two RTS's are comparable.

SamiRDuran

In fact, Starcraft never had much strategy. There is an ideal formula for unit production which would be the best way to success. It's only a matter of whether people discovered it or not. I never really liked the formula for Warcraft or Starcraft. If you get a Marine to challenge a Zealot . The Zealot will win no matter what. The direction of attack or morale has no effect, or completely non-existant whatsoever. When you think about it, what is the idea of strategy in the first place? Strategy allows you to get more out of the battle than you would have without any planning. So if the formula is that 1 Zealot can kill 3 marines, or namely 10 Zealots equals 30 Marines, than what is the point of strategy? What you need to have in order to kill 10 Zealots is have 35 Marines. Whereas, if by some manner, you manage to use 15 Marines to kill 10 Zealots, then maybe there is some strategy involved, maybe something like fear or demoralization.

starcraft has become an e-sport for a reason and ignorance is not a bliss

Dawn of War 2, HANDS DOWN!!! but I dont really care since I'm really anticipating Diablo Trois

StarCraft 2 for sure. Dawn of War wasn't nearly as balanced as StarCraft was..Skittles_McGee

Not gonna matter. By the time DoW2 is out SC2 will stop being the "hot new thing."XaosII

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]StarCraft 2 for sure. Dawn of War wasn't nearly as balanced as StarCraft was..freek666

We are talking about Dawn of War 2 AND NOT dAWN OF wAR1. Wait for the demo in steam, play then decide for yourselves. FAIR?