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#101 JLF1
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[QUOTE="JLF1"] dumbed down controls and moves, yet more clones Tsug_Ze_Wind

Does not understand. How can the controls be dumbed down when they didn't change the controls, and how does Brawl have more clones when it actually has less clones, and those clones play much differently now?


They changed the controls, No wave dashing etc.

I didn't mean that it were more clones in SSBB than SSM but that it still had clones, I can easily see now that I wrote that very badly.
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#102 Tsug_Ze_Wind
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Not to mention the experience is much more personal--with the ability to communicate and with everyone having avatars and names, not random digits.PapaJohn24

So you've never even played Brawl online?

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#103 Tsug_Ze_Wind
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They changed the controls, No wave dashing etc.

I didn't mean that it were more clones in SSBB than SSM but that it still had clones, I can easily see now that I wrote that very badly.JLF1

Wave dashing wasn't a control, it was a glitch. Removing a glitch =/= dumbing down. Not to mention there's still plenty of exploitable glitches.

Plus, Yoshi can still wavedash. :P

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#104 tktomo01
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[QUOTE="majadamus"]No More Heroes rightfully deserved Wii GOTY, and the highly overrated Super Smash Bros. Brawl did not. Congratulations, No More Heroes. laus_basic

^^ this

and I played your SSBB for 10 min and never touched it again, and that's from someone who spent almost 100 hours on the first one. SSBB is at the bottom of the list as far as Wii GOTY goes imo. It did absolutely nothing new and is more of the same. So I'm glad an actual new IP beat it.

You basically killed your proclamation by saying "I played your SSBB for 10 min". So if I play a game for 10 min, I can rightfully have an opinion?
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#105 deactivated-5e0e425ee91d8
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[QUOTE="tktomo01"][QUOTE="laus_basic"]

No More Heroes rightfully deserved Wii GOTY, and the highly overrated Super Smash Bros. Brawl did not. Congratulations, No More Heroes. majadamus

^^ this

and I played your SSBB for 10 min and never touched it again, and that's from someone who spent almost 100 hours on the first one. SSBB is at the bottom of the list as far as Wii GOTY goes imo. It did absolutely nothing new and is more of the same. So I'm glad an actual new IP beat it.

You basically killed your proclamation by saying "I played your SSBB for 10 min". So if I play a game for 10 min, I can rightfully have an opinion?

my guess, he was playing SSE :P
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#106 Head_of_games
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[QUOTE="tktomo01"][QUOTE="laus_basic"]

^^ this

and I played your SSBB for 10 min and never touched it again, and that's from someone who spent almost 100 hours on the first one. SSBB is at the bottom of the list as far as Wii GOTY goes imo. It did absolutely nothing new and is more of the same. So I'm glad an actual new IP beat it.

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You basically killed your proclamation by saying "I played your SSBB for 10 min". So if I play a game for 10 min, I can rightfully have an opinion?

my guess, he was playing SSE :P

Indeed. Brawl added so much it blows my mind. Oh, and to the guy who says Brawl could have been done on another platform: Wrong! The only stuff in the game would be from sonic and snake because only Nintendo has the rights to the rest.
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#107 princeofshapeir
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[QUOTE="JLF1"] dumbed down controls and moves, yet more clones Tsug_Ze_Wind

Does not understand. How can the controls be dumbed down when they didn't change the controls, and how does Brawl have more clones when it actually has less clones, and those clones play much differently now?

It has NO clones. Not a single character is a clone of another character. There's only one character from Melee that's in the top-tier in Brawl (Falco). The Star Fox characters have been de-cloned, leading to nerfing of Fox and extreme buffing of Falco.
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#108 princeofshapeir
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[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

[QUOTE="JLF1"] dumbed down controls and moves, yet more clones JLF1

Does not understand. How can the controls be dumbed down when they didn't change the controls, and how does Brawl have more clones when it actually has less clones, and those clones play much differently now?


They changed the controls, No wave dashing etc.

I didn't mean that it were more clones in SSBB than SSM but that it still had clones, I can easily see now that I wrote that very badly.

:lol: Wavedashing was a glitch. Stop reading the QQ on Smash Boards and try playing the Smash Bros. games, maybe you'll actually learn how people play teh game. There aren't any clones in SSBB. Point out to me a pair of clones.

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#109 princeofshapeir
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Also, Brawl is the best looking Wii game out so far. NMH attempts to go for the stylistic cel-shaded look Killer 7 had going on, but it looks awful compared to SSBB. Brawl maintains 60 FPS nearly all the time, whereas NMH can barely keep 40 FPS.
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#110 InfinityMugen
Member since 2007 • 3905 Posts
No More Heroes was original, Brawl was just another roster update.(I liked it though, dont flame me)
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#111 princeofshapeir
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So, do any of you have an actual reason why Brawl shouldn't have beaten NMH?

I'd be interested in hearing it.

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None of these NMH fangirls have any points to show to me. All they're saying is, "Oh, I barely played Brawl and it sucked because I'm so bad at it and it doesn't play the same as Melee. It's the exact same as Melee only with new characters (this statement contradicts the second, creating massive facepalming for anybody with a brain)." If Willy agrees with me, the Sheep agree with me. Everybody else just hasn't played Brawl to the extent we have.
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#112 cutmaclass1
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Brawl couldn't have been Wii game of the year. It's a GameCube game, after all.
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#113 princeofshapeir
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Brawl couldn't have been Wii game of the year. It's a GameCube game, after all.cutmaclass1
OH NOEZ, it doesn't have motion sensing! Whatever will Wii fanboys do?! NO WRIST SHAKING?!?! WHAT HAS NINTENDO COME TO, RELEASING GAMES WITHOUT A TACKED-ON WAGGLE FEATURE?!
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#114 Head_of_games
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Brawl couldn't have been Wii game of the year. It's a GameCube game, after all.cutmaclass1
You're going to need a flame sheild.
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#115 cutmaclass1
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[QUOTE="cutmaclass1"]Brawl couldn't have been Wii game of the year. It's a GameCube game, after all.Head_of_games
You're going to need a flame sheild.

I'd get one if the price of shields hadn't gone up with the heightened demand for ignorance shields.
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#116 deactivated-5967f36c08c33
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Most Nintendo fans understand what makes a great game. Broken controls, bad graphics, glitches and bugs, repetitive game, no replay value, and only 10 hours of gameplay do not make a good game. Sorry No More Heroes. It doesn't matter anyway, because De Blob, World of Goo, and Mega Man 9 were better than both of these games.Rocky32189

No replay value?I'm probably in the minority here,but I put more hours of playtime into No More Heroes than Brawl.

And the controls aren't broken.Out of all the things people criticize No More Heroes for,the notion that the controls are broken is one that I don't understand.One or two unresponsive gestures aside,the controls worked perfectly fine for me,and the game was perfectly playable.

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#117 Tsug_Ze_Wind
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None of these NMH fangirls have any points to show to me. All they're saying is, "Oh, I barely played Brawl and it sucked because I'm so bad at it and it doesn't play the same as Melee. It's the exact same as Melee only with new characters (this statement contradicts the second, creating massive facepalming for anybody with a brain)." If Willy agrees with me, the Sheep agree with me. Everybody else just hasn't played Brawl to the extent we have.princeofshapeir

Too true. Give it up Brawl haters, every one of these threads is shot down. The Brawl Defense Force is too awesome. Go back to bashing MGS4 and their wussy Defense Force. :P

Wait, you made this thread. My bad. :lol:

Off-topic: have we played online yet BTW? I have your FC.

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#118 princeofshapeir
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[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"] None of these NMH fangirls have any points to show to me. All they're saying is, "Oh, I barely played Brawl and it sucked because I'm so bad at it and it doesn't play the same as Melee. It's the exact same as Melee only with new characters (this statement contradicts the second, creating massive facepalming for anybody with a brain)." If Willy agrees with me, the Sheep agree with me. Everybody else just hasn't played Brawl to the extent we have.Tsug_Ze_Wind

Too true. Give it up Brawl haters, every one of these threads is shot down. The Brawl Defense Force is too awesome. Go back to bashing MGS4 and their wussy Defense Force. :P

Wait, you made this thread. My bad. :lol:

Off-topic: have we played online yet BTW? I have your FC.

Yes! Wait, no. I changed my friend code since then (Goddamn brother erased everything) and I loaned my Wii to my friend so he could play Twilight Princess. So... you'll have to wait till the fight is on. But when I come back (kept you waiting, huh?), it's showtime.
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#119 Tsug_Ze_Wind
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Yes! Wait, no. I changed my friend code since then (Goddamn brother erased everything) and I loaned my Wii to my friend so he could play Twilight Princess. So... you'll have to wait till the fight is on. But when I come back (kept you waiting, huh?), it's showtime.princeofshapeir

Prepare yourself, 'cause you'll get no sympathy from me. What's the matter, scared?

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#120 Rocky32189
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You do know that you just described Zelda: TP? No More Heroes is easily the best game on the Wii in 2008 so please get over the fact that a Nintendo game didn't won. It's not like SSBB is anywhere close perfection either. Broken online, dumbed down controls and moves, yet more clones, incredibly boring and dull singleplayer. JLF1
No. Zelda's controls worked like they were supposed to while NMH's controls were broken. Zelda has great graphics (for the GC/Wii) while No More Heroes looks likes a bad PS2 game. NMH is filled with glitches and bugs while Zelda doesn't have any. Zelda has 40 hrs of gameplay while NMH has 10 hrs of gameplay. Zelda has varied gameplay (action, puzzle solving, etc) while No More Heroes is all repetitive hack & slash. Brawl has many flaws but not nearly as many flaws as NMH. Also, I could care less that a Nintendo game didn't win. De Blob, World of Goo, and Mega Man 9 were better than both of these games.
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#121 princeofshapeir
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[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"] Yes! Wait, no. I changed my friend code since then (Goddamn brother erased everything) and I loaned my Wii to my friend so he could play Twilight Princess. So... you'll have to wait till the fight is on. But when I come back (kept you waiting, huh?), it's showtime.Tsug_Ze_Wind

Prepare yourself, 'cause you'll get no sympathy from me. What's the matter, scared?

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Don't try me. FALCOWN PAWNCH
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#122 AlexSays
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One was broken and the other is best played as a jukebox. Neither are the technical marvels people believe them to be.
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#123 strudel420
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I enjoyed No More Heroes and thought it was a good game, but seriously Wii GOTY? I think Brawl is overrated, but its more deserving than NMH imo.

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#124 jdsteffen
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If the online had worked better, I could agree
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#125 Wanderer5
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Also, Brawl is the best looking Wii game out so far. NMH attempts to go for the stylistic cel-shaded look Killer 7 had going on, but it looks awful compared to SSBB. Brawl maintains 60 FPS nearly all the time, whereas NMH can barely keep 40 FPS.princeofshapeir

No, just no. Super Mario Galaxy looks better.