Debunking PC gaming myths

This is NOT an anti-PC thread (no it isn't! get off that reply button!) it is simply setting a few records straight. I game on PC and console.

1> You can build a gaming rig for 500 bucks....

Yes ofc you can. No one could ever deny it. No-one would ever do it either. Lets be sensible - those who have made the choice to game on PC's do it mainly as they are perfectionists andenjoy the challenge of building the best rig they can. Its kind of like a car enthusiast *choosing* to buy a bog standard 2 door hatchback.

2> PC gamershave more money than console gamers....

Not really no. PC gamers *choose* to spend more of their disposable income of PC gaming is all.

3> PC gamers are more intelligent and mature than console gamers....

No, they're about the same. Anyone who plays MMO's only has to go into ANY warcraft realm and sit in their main city. They will see racism, homophobia, elitism, harrassment and griefing. This holds true for most online games on any platform. EvE online in particular has a cited average player age of 21, and yet still has peurile asinine behaviour all day long - and so does Call of Duty.

4> PCs are easy to use and have very few problems....

For the fortunate ones, this is true. However is simply cannot be denied - there are thousands of tech help websites across the internet, with entire forums dedicated to one particular brand of graphics card or version of windows. Warcraft itself has 1427 PAGES of tech help forum, with 1022 PAGES of bug report forums.

No-one can deny also the embarrassing failure rate of launch xbox 360s, quoted by some as high as 50%, but saying PCs don't have problems is delusional at best.

5> PC game development is held back by console technology limitations....

Yes of course it is, again this cannot be denied. However this is looking at it from one very biased angle. As technology advances, so does the development costs of video games - as it does in the film industry too. Games back in the 8 bit era could be written by someone in their bedroom. Games today need upwards of 3 or more years, and teams of nearly 100 people including graphic artists, sound engineers, community development, advertising etc. The costs today are staggering. It's quoted at current gen anywhere between 10-50 MILLION to develop a AAA title. Costs next gen are set to double.

I'll leave it there, but if anyone wants to reply, please take note that I kept it civil and neutral, so please do the same.

$500 PCs are fine for gaming, they aren't top of the line, but they aren't "bog standard 2 door hatchbacks". And you misunderstand PC gaming in its entirety right there with that point. PC gaming's greatness is that you can game how you want, you can have a $5000 PC or a $500 one, you can game on a 3 monitor setup or a netbook, both are perfectly valid, PC gaming is a platform about playing how you want.

First point 100% void. Infact I JUST did a rig for someone for christmas under your price point.

Got 35 dollars or rebates, sold a extra copy of dirt 3 for 15 dollars and total was 380 dollars but this was excluding a Harddrive i had for free. Still 500 dollars is a norm for me. This is including a 19 inch monitor bought at my Local computer reclying company in town for 30 bucks (hannsg 1440x900 monitor) and a logitech keyboard and mouse for 5 dollars each.

i made two cheap rigs this gen and i agree 500$ pcs are trash.

Umm, I've built a couple of 500 dollar rigs for friends as entry level PCs, and they could run Crysis with ease. You are wrong.DragonfireXZ95

Umm, I've built a couple of 500 dollar rigs for friends as entry level PCs, and they could run Crysis with ease. You are wrong.DragonfireXZ95

I like how Crysis is always brought up. The game came out in 2007!

I have to debate the cost thing, I think that's something developers spew to get sympathy from consumers. Many graphics overhaul/texture mods are made by just 1 or 2 people in their free time.

Look at the maldohd mod for crysis 2. One guy in his free time, with no real experience, fixed all the optimization problems in addition to making the game look better. He even says in his patch notes something along the lines of "I don't know why crytek didn't do all this on their own, I'm just one inexperianced guy and I managed to do it in a short amount of man-hours, crytek is a huge developer."

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Umm, I've built a couple of 500 dollar rigs for friends as entry level PCs, and they could run Crysis with ease. You are wrong.Heirren

I like how Crysis is always brought up. The game came out in 2007!

Lol I love how pc elitest say "You can buy a 500 dollar pc gaming rig, but it won't play games on max".

OH BUT TEH PC IS THE MOST POWERFUL SYSTEM OF ALL TIME, LOOK AT CRYSIS AND WITCHER 2 ON MAXXXXX!!!!!!!!

How much will it take, $500.00? Really?

Please elitest. Go spend your money somewhere usefull. There are other things than food and pc's. The outdoors is great I hear. It has daylight.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Umm, I've built a couple of 500 dollar rigs for friends as entry level PCs, and they could run Crysis with ease. You are wrong.Heirren

I like how Crysis is always brought up. The game came out in 2007!

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Umm, I've built a couple of 500 dollar rigs for friends as entry level PCs, and they could run Crysis with ease. You are wrong.Heirren

I like how Crysis is always brought up. The game came out in 2007!

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Umm, I've built a couple of 500 dollar rigs for friends as entry level PCs, and they could run Crysis with ease. You are wrong.savagetwinkie

Lol, look at the cosolites rage.

It is starting to get old, as fun as it is to watch them squirm.

Sof or those of you syaing that a $500 PC gaming rig is "crap". What do you consider the consoles then? 'cause $500 worth fo PC will get you something 2-3 times as powerful as any console.

So I guess, following your flawless consolite logic, consoles, must be even worse than crap, right?

Lol I love how pc elitest say "You can buy a 500 dollar pc gaming rig, but it won't play games on max".

OH BUT TEH PC IS THE MOST POWERFUL SYSTEM OF ALL TIME, LOOK AT CRYSIS AND WITCHER 2 ON MAXXXXX!!!!!!!!

How much will it take, $500.00? Really?

Please elitest. Go spend your money somewhere usefull. There are other things than food and pc's. The outdoors is great I hear. It has daylight.

WomanDog

I love how no one is saying that in this thread except the trolls. (PS.. its actually easy these days to max graphical settings in games. Its all about resolution to determine it)

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Umm, I've built a couple of 500 dollar rigs for friends as entry level PCs, and they could run Crysis with ease. You are wrong.DragonfireXZ95

I like how Crysis is always brought up. The game came out in 2007!

I'm just poking fun at the game being brought up in just about every graphics/console vs pc thread. I mean really, the game is old and does not have the replay value of a game like tetris.

Console gamer: "Man Uncharted 3 looks great!"

Pc gamer: "U3 looks like garbage, *posts Crysis mod pic*"

...yeah, but the game is done. Are pc gamers really playing this game for the 200th time?

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="Heirren"]

I like how Crysis is always brought up. The game came out in 2007!

Heirren

I'm just poking fun at the game being brought up in just about every graphics/console vs pc thread. I mean really, the game is old and does not have the replay value of a game like tetris.

Console gamer: "Man Uncharted 3 looks great!"

Pc gamer: "U3 looks like garbage, *posts Crysis mod pic*"

...yeah, but the game is done. Are pc gamers really playing this game for the 200th time?

This is NOT an anti-PC thread (no it isn't! get off that reply button!) it is simply setting a few records straight. I game on PC and console.

1> You can build a gaming rig for 500 bucks....

Yes ofc you can. No one could ever deny it. No-one would ever do it either. Lets be sensible - those who have made the choice to game on PC's do it mainly as they are perfectionists andenjoy the challenge of building the best rig they can. Its kind of like a car enthusiast *choosing* to buy a bog standard 2 door hatchback.

2> PC gamershave more money than console gamers....

Not really no. PC gamers *choose* to spend more of their disposable income of PC gaming is all.

3> PC gamers are more intelligent and mature than console gamers....

No, they're about the same. Anyone who plays MMO's only has to go into ANY warcraft realm and sit in their main city. They will see racism, homophobia, elitism, harrassment and griefing. This holds true for most online games on any platform. EvE online in particular has a cited average player age of 21, and yet still has peurile asinine behaviour all day long - and so does Call of Duty.

4> PCs are easy to use and have very few problems....

For the fortunate ones, this is true. However is simply cannot be denied - there are thousands of tech help websites across the internet, with entire forums dedicated to one particular brand of graphics card or version of windows. Warcraft itself has 1427 PAGES of tech help forum, with 1022 PAGES of bug report forums.

No-one can deny also the embarrassing failure rate of launch xbox 360s, quoted by some as high as 50%, but saying PCs don't have problems is delusional at best.

5> PC game development is held back by console technology limitations....

Yes of course it is, again this cannot be denied. However this is looking at it from one very biased angle. As technology advances, so does the development costs of video games - as it does in the film industry too. Games back in the 8 bit era could be written by someone in their bedroom. Games today need upwards of 3 or more years, and teams of nearly 100 people including graphic artists, sound engineers, community development, advertising etc. The costs today are staggering. It's quoted at current gen anywhere between 10-50 MILLION to develop a AAA title. Costs next gen are set to double.

I'll leave it there, but if anyone wants to reply, please take note that I kept it civil and neutral, so please do the same.

Smileyvirus

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHR2vXgJJcE

2. That's just people trolling

3. That's just people trolling

4. PCs are easy to use if you're computer literate.

5. PC currently has hardware that could render next gen games.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] And it still is one of the hardest games to run, go figure. :roll:lawlessx

I'm just poking fun at the game being brought up in just about every graphics/console vs pc thread. I mean really, the game is old and does not have the replay value of a game like tetris.

Console gamer: "Man Uncharted 3 looks great!"

Pc gamer: "U3 looks like garbage, *posts Crysis mod pic*"

...yeah, but the game is done. Are pc gamers really playing this game for the 200th time?

So that a sub $500 machine could run it? The point the TC is trying to make is that if one is to build a pc, it only really makes sense to spend a little more money. Sure you can build a budget machine, but it will eventually cost you more.

Lol, look at the cosolites rage.

It is starting to get old, as fun as it is to watch them squirm.

Sof or those of you syaing that a $500 PC gaming rig is "crap". What do you consider the consoles then? 'cause $500 worth fo PC will get you something 2-3 times as powerful as any console.

So I guess, following your flawless consolite logic, consoles, must be even worse than crap, right?

Kinthalis

#1 is bull, I still play games on max settings with a $600 PC I built in 09 stick a 200$ graphics card into any one of these and you're set. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=30000007%204018&IsNodeId=1&name=%24200%20-%20%24300 #4 You say its a myth that PC's have very few problems, yet at the end you try and change it to attack the argument of PC's having NO problems. #5 is bull, TW2 was low budget, same for Metro2033, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and pretty much all graphics king contenders except for BF3 and Crysis2. Crysis had a medium budget of 22mill. Also it usually takes a dude living in his basement a few months to mod a game well beyond its original form. DemoPan7

I build 600euro pc and the most expensive game i bought the last couple of years was 20euros so yes i believe i save more money gaming on pc rather console ( find me Deus Ex human revolution for 10 euros on consoles and i will shut up ) so yeah you are wrong

What most people do i dont care this what i do and if most pc gamers according to you choose to spend alot then i dont care i care only that pc gaming gives the chance to game on a budget

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Lol, look at the cosolites rage.

It is starting to get old, as fun as it is to watch them squirm.

Sof or those of you syaing that a $500 PC gaming rig is "crap". What do you consider the consoles then? 'cause $500 worth fo PC will get you something 2-3 times as powerful as any console.

So I guess, following your flawless consolite logic, consoles, must be even worse than crap, right?

WomanDog

Crysis 2 on PC at 60 FPS, DX 11 (with the tessellaiton optimization formt he community, of course) high settings EASILY, I mean DIRT EASY, looks 2 times better than it running at 20-30 FPS, sub-HD, low rez textures and LOW settings on consoles.

FACT.

I build 600euro pc and the most expensive game i bought the last couple of years was 20euros so yes i believe i save more money gaming on pc rather console ( find me Deus Ex human revolution for 10 euros on consoles and i will shut up ) so yeah you are wrongadamosmaki

[QUOTE="WomanDog"]

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Lol, look at the cosolites rage.

It is starting to get old, as fun as it is to watch them squirm.

Sof or those of you syaing that a $500 PC gaming rig is "crap". What do you consider the consoles then? 'cause $500 worth fo PC will get you something 2-3 times as powerful as any console.

So I guess, following your flawless consolite logic, consoles, must be even worse than crap, right?

Kinthalis

Crysis 2 on PC at 60 FPS, DX 11 (with the tessellaiton optimization formt he community, of course) high settings EASILY, I mean DIRT EASY, looks 2 times better than it running at 20-30 FPS, sub-HD, low rez textures and LOW settings on consoles.

FACT.

Your "fact" is wrong. Goodbye hermit.

[QUOTE="DemoPan7"]#1 is bull, I still play games on max settings with a $600 PC I built in 09 stick a 200$ graphics card into any one of these and you're set. #4 You say its a myth that PC's have very few problems, yet at the end you try and change it to attack the argument of PC's having NO problems. #5 is bull, TW2 was low budget, same for Metro2033, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and pretty much all graphics king contenders except for BF3 and Crysis2. Crysis had a medium budget of 22mill. Also it usually takes a dude living in his basement a few months to mod a game well beyond its original form. WomanDog

500 is considered a "cheap" build? :?

[QUOTE="WomanDog"]

[QUOTE="DemoPan7"]#1 is bull, I still play games on max settings with a $600 PC I built in 09 stick a 200$ graphics card into any one of these and you're set. #4 You say its a myth that PC's have very few problems, yet at the end you try and change it to attack the argument of PC's having NO problems. #5 is bull, TW2 was low budget, same for Metro2033, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and pretty much all graphics king contenders except for BF3 and Crysis2. Crysis had a medium budget of 22mill. Also it usually takes a dude living in his basement a few months to mod a game well beyond its original form. DemoPan7

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"]I build 600euro pc and the most expensive game i bought the last couple of years was 20euros so yes i believe i save more money gaming on pc rather console ( find me Deus Ex human revolution for 10 euros on consoles and i will shut up ) so yeah you are wrongWomanDog

And how much did your PC cost you? ;)

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="WomanDog"]Considering the ps3 is 250, I would expect it to be 2x as powerful. But that isn't reality. 2x would be from ps2 to ps3. No game on the pc will give me that jump in fidelity for $500.00 bucks. Fact.

WomanDog

Crysis 2 on PC at 60 FPS, DX 11 (with the tessellaiton optimization formt he community, of course) high settings EASILY, I mean DIRT EASY, looks 2 times better than it running at 20-30 FPS, sub-HD, low rez textures and LOW settings on consoles.

FACT.

Your "fact" is wrong. Goodbye hermit.

Yes, it will. A $150 vidoe card can handle that well.

Seems you kee showing your ignorance, over and over again in multiple threads.

Very sad.

[QUOTE="WomanDog"]

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"]I build 600euro pc and the most expensive game i bought the last couple of years was 20euros so yes i believe i save more money gaming on pc rather console ( find me Deus Ex human revolution for 10 euros on consoles and i will shut up ) so yeah you are wrongPeredith

And how much did your PC cost you? ;)

*sigh* the days when trolls atleast tried... Now its just who can spam the most random **** *sigh* as fun as it was before i kinda wish we would get some trolls that would atleast try... but no...

[QUOTE="WomanDog"]

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"]I build 600euro pc and the most expensive game i bought the last couple of years was 20euros so yes i believe i save more money gaming on pc rather console ( find me Deus Ex human revolution for 10 euros on consoles and i will shut up ) so yeah you are wrongPeredith

And how much did your PC cost you? ;)

[QUOTE="WomanDog"]

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Crysis 2 on PC at 60 FPS, DX 11 (with the tessellaiton optimization formt he community, of course) high settings EASILY, I mean DIRT EASY, looks 2 times better than it running at 20-30 FPS, sub-HD, low rez textures and LOW settings on consoles.

FACT.

Kinthalis

Your "fact" is wrong. Goodbye hermit.

Yes, it will. A $150 vidoe card can handle that well.

Seems you kee showing your ignorance, over and over again in multiple threads.

Very sad.

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

[QUOTE="WomanDog"]The most expensive game I bought on the ps3 since about a year was uncharted 3 for $33.00 bucks. I bought my ps3 for $250.00. Do the math.

adamosmaki

And how much did your PC cost you? ;)

500 is considered a "cheap" build? :?

W1NGMAN-

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="Peredith"]

And how much did your PC cost you? ;)

WomanDog

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="WomanDog"]And a $500.00 dollar pc will do that? :lol:

Your "fact" is wrong. Goodbye hermit.

WomanDog

Yes, it will. A $150 vidoe card can handle that well.

Seems you kee showing your ignorance, over and over again in multiple threads.

Very sad.

[QUOTE="WomanDog"]

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"] Shhhh apparently most console owners dont need a pc now days they use their consoles to post here. Aslo 20euros = $26 so yeah my most expensive game was quite a bit cheaper than yours DragonfireXZ95

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="WomanDog"]Jaja. Boy. Give me your steam name so I can shut your mouth. My total playtime in shogun 2 exceeds 50 hours and I bought it last week.

WomanDog

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[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Yes, it will. A $150 vidoe card can handle that well.

Seems you kee showing your ignorance, over and over again in multiple threads.

Very sad.

adamosmaki

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="WomanDog"]Jaja. Boy. Give me your steam name so I can shut your mouth. My total playtime in shogun 2 exceeds 50 hours and I bought it last week.

WomanDog

Exactly what? Link us to your profile.

I doubt he wants to be your friend on Steam.

[QUOTE="WomanDog"]

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] Why should he need to give you his steam account? Just link us to your profile.adamosmaki

[QUOTE="WomanDog"]

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] Why should he need to give you his steam account? Just link us to your profile.DragonfireXZ95

[QUOTE="DemoPan7"][QUOTE="WomanDog"]Bullcrappppppp. You can't run withcer 2 on max with that machine.

WomanDog

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="WomanDog"]:lol: I can't show my ignorance, when lies are being spewed out of your hermit mouth every 2 seconds. Btw what pc do you have? Do you have a $500.00 pc, cause I have one. (This one and a dell) and I can barely run lf4d2 in ultra.

WomanDog