Destiny 2 30FPS on xbox X(60 fps on PC)

http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/06/14/e3-2017-bungie-confirms-destiny-2-is-30-fps-on-xbox-one-x

hmmmm, this is interesting. They did not specify why, but honestly it is prob them not having enough experience developing for the xbox x.

The ps4 pro is in the same boat

specifically it's uncapped on PC

I wouldn't trust Bungie's development surrounding these games, remember the last Destiny? The PlayStation 4 was clearly more powerful yet they kept the games in perfect parity.

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So the most powerful console cant handle Destiny 2 in 60fps? lol

From what i've heard, it runs extremely well on pc (not surprising, just look at the 2011 visuals). The Jag cpu is killing all currently gen consoles.

This comment is ignorant on so many different levels.

Developers won't waste time and resources optimizing a game for a system that will sell like shit. As simple as that. Microsoft will have to depend on their first party to make xboxxbx shine and, since their first party is practically non existent, the xxx won't really make so much of an impact.

when will people realize that until Ryzen cpu is used in a console the performance will lag.

@gordonfreeman: How so? Still think you have Threadripper under the hood or something?

Because it's a $500 console performing at the level of a $900~ PC being held up to the standards of PC's that are $1,400~.

People are being fucking ridiculous.

It has nothing to do with limited experience on X1X hardware. These consoles are scaled down PCs on the X86 architecture. It's just that the game is pushing what that fixed hardware is capable of at 4K resolution. (be that native or 1800p upscaled)

30 fps has been typical of consoles for just about all generations, as the developers favor pushing the graphical fidelity and eye candy as far as possible over performance, so long as that performance doesn't fall below 30 fps on the average, or that dips aren't too frequent. It's usually been just the racers and fighters that have been the exception to this for reaching that prime 60 frames, being the genres which are easier to optimize to have the best of both worlds.

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No, no it is not.

It has a Jaguar CPU. There should be no surprise that we will see games that can not run 60 frames a second.

Lems hyped the thing to the sky. It may be powerful, but it is a console with a crappy CPU.

@gordonfreeman: Because it's a $500 console performing at the level of a $900

LMFAO. Wtf?? :facepalm:

It absolutely is, and that's not even including a UHD Blu-Ray player which on PC not only costs $130 at minimum, you need a multitude of different things including a higher end Skylake CPU for it to even function.

To match this GPU you need at minimum a GTX 1070, and even then that might not be enough to curb the minimum framerates, you're already in $450 - $500 there. I'm not saying it matches a GTX 1070, I'm saying you need a GTX 1070 to match it, nothing else in its range can hold its minimum framerates, not a 1060, not a 480, not a 580.

I don't even need to list anything else for the rest of the financial obligation to materialize.

You realize that we're talking about a custom APU in the console here, not a dedicated CPU and GPU, right? And you actually think the CPU segment of that APU is equal to an i5 6600, or even a 6400? Are you serious?

Nya thinks it'll be performing like a 1k dollars pc? Funny as always, a true lem.

The Pro already holding gaming back.

No of course not, you're simply not grasping what I am saying.

To be able to hit the performance threshold of this console and maintain it you would have to spend roughly $900 on a PC and have a GTX 1070 as your GPU, a 1060 or 580 will not cut it. To actually encompass the entirety of the system and all its functionality you would have to spend north of $1,100.

You cannot have a GPU in your system that is less than a 1070 and be able to maintain high enough minimum framerates to keep in line with this system. The 1070 can no doubt hit higher highs than the GPU in the One X, however in terms of minimums they appear to be directly on level which means as a requirement this GPU would need to be purchased to pace this console.

You're clearly not comprehending what is being said.

Developers are having to develop their games across 4 separate console SKU's as it is and then the PC, for console they're going to focus on the lowest common denominator and develop around that, despite the additional performance of the pro and OneX all developers still need to have their games run on the base system. I'm sure if they were developing for the pro or OneX exclusively you could squeeze more performance out of them, but you're going to have to make sacrifices in what you're doing in game to get the additional performance.

Shit CPU anyway. That's what makes the XB1X not reach 60FPS, especially in 4K.

Or because Bungie is partnered with Sony, and probably because of this:

Last month, Smith confirmed to IGN that while Destiny 2 will support 4K on PS4 Pro, the game will be locked to 30fps because of CPU constraints. "The PS4 Pro is super-powerful, but it couldn't run our game at 60," he said.

cpu and resolution aren't generally related as long as the viewport stays the same

Heres the reality, if you want superior performance you'll have to pay for it. $650AUD or $550 AUD is peanuts for a fully functional gaming machine.

Development generally works the other direction, they develop beyond the capabilities of the highest denomination and then scale down accordingly. It's easier to shoot beyond your target and then draw aspects back than to create something lesser and then try to scale that up. The idea for the Xbox One X is to essentially intercept PC game builds before they are neutered for console level functionality, this is why they have made code porting to this system so extremely easy where developers can have their games up and running in days and in some cases hours.

I think you clearly don't comprehend that a game can be cpu-bound in terms of frame rate.

More cinematic experience on boneX.

The jag is worse that the FX line.

Its funny seeing all these complaints about the CPU without anything to back up their claim especially when we are talking about a FPS being CPU bound.

Who didn't see that coming? We all knew this was going to happen when 4K became the hot topic of the generation and frame rates were largely ignored once again.

30fps shooters are terrible.

No no, didn't you hear from our tech expert gordonfreeman? It's as good as a mid tier Skylake CPU ??

Shit, my bad.

I'm misinformed.

But seriously, even with eight cores it probably only just hits i3 performance.

It is similar when compared to running on one Skylake core. MUhahahaha. I actually don't know how much of a difference it really is. But CPU bound games are not that common anyway.

Way too much over thinking in this thread.

Its likely capped at 30 FPS, to not give Scorpio owners a noticeable competitive multiplayer advantage over the regular Xbox One owners in PvP.

Nah, sure 60 fps for shooters is great but all Halos until H5 were 30 fps and the game-play, gun-play was awesome and some of the best so no broad brush allowed. I bet cold hard cash Halo 6 is 60 fps baby!!! :P

Parity is the name of the game here. That and needing to optimize for 4 consoles, then PC. The X1X is not at fault here, it is the Xbone. LCD and scale up from there. Cheaper, and most efficent.

@SecretPolice: Yeah I would hope so. There should be plenty of head-room for the X1X to hit 60fps if they just don't focus on 4K.

I've always found that 50-60fps is where the controls start to feel really snappy and nice.

gtx titan xp is not chear ,nor gtx 1080ti.

also i7 7700k either..

stick with console

Meh. While 60fps certainly looks and feels better having a game run at 30fps is very far from being a deal breaker for me. I'll enjoy this game just fine on the Xbox One X.

? Hahahahahaha!

It's using the same shitty Jaguar CPU found in the Xbone and PS4. What are you people expecting? For it to magically punch above it's weight because MS claimed the CPU is "heavily customized"? A heavily dressed up turd is still a turd. MS spent most of the money on the GPU and still put in a shitty CPU that bottlenecks their whole system. People need to accept reality and stop living in a dream world. XboneX is nothing but a beefed up Xbone that just happens to be a bit more powerful than a PS4 Pro. It's not going to give you the performance of a high-end PC like lems hyped it. LOL @ the clowns who hyped it as a next-gen machine.

Who i gods green earth told you that you need a skylake CPU to run UHD bluray?

That is a LIE.

Bullshit again the GPU in scorpio is Polaris at 6TF,which is not even close to a 1070GTX.

Just because scorpio can run some games at 4k doesn't mean it match a 1070gtx lets wait until the FINAL product is deliver i don't trust MS E3 showing they are the masters of not only using PC to show their games even using Nvidia GPU but they also love to fake presentations.

But hey this thread has been bookmarked for future reference dynamite cop.

https://twitter.com/knowsworthy/status/875391245610135552

We would never hold back game performance on a platform to appease a partner. No partners asked us to either.

We optimize for each platform's tech to deliver the best social action game experience we can. Period.

All consoles will run at 30fps to deliver D2's AI counts, environment sizes, and # of players. They are all CPU-bound.

We are currently evaluating 4K for Xbox One X. It launches after D2 and so we are focused on the launch consoles right now.

so it's not parity.

Have you any idea how sad that sounds.

I'm sure it is a console parity thing. X1 and PS4 offered parity on the first game when the PS4 could've run it at slightly better settings.

Bungie said ps4 pro can't do 60 fps because of garbage cpu, xbox one x also has a garbage cpu so it makes sense.

CPU parity? :P