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#1 Justinge3
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Or at least make em only viewable online. Its the root of nearly all evil, including excessive camping (MW2 im looking at you), if they didn't display the KDR in the ingame MW2 leaderboards, I guarantee there will be less camping and glitching for kills.

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#2 Valiant_Rebel
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Is your K/D in the negative range? This seems like a trivial complaint. Removal of K/D isn't going to stop people from wanting as many kills as possible anyway they can get it.

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#3 SaltyMeatballs
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I agree in a way, but I still don't think they should remove K/D ratios, they just need to show more than K/D.
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#4 Fightingfan
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they don't need to scrap them, people just need to not care. There is no such thing as camper... Who honestly gets a nuke? Just use a cold blooded class with a stinger "boom no more chopper gunner"...
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#5 murat8
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KDR is great the main stat worth looking at IMO.....well that is if u play TDM if u play just about anything else KDR means nothing
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any game where you die so easily like MW2 there is going to be camping. because you feel weak and vulnerable. enter halo where you feel like the fist of god, and the last thing on your mind is camping because you want to destroy everything in your path.

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#7 Fightingfan
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any game where you die so easily like MW2 there is going to be camping. because you feel weak and vulnerable. enter halo where you feel like the fist of god, and the last thing on your mind is camping because you want to destroy everything in your path.

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true, there is no camping in battle field either. Simply blow up the building there in..
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#8 Justinge3
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IF anything it would make people not camp as much. Even just a little.
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#9 Fightingfan
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IF anything it would make people not camp as much. Even just a little.Justinge3
Nah, the kill streaks above 9 make camping a must. There is no way you can run an gun a nuke.
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#10 murat8
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well i played the MW2 quit a bit and i have to say campers are really easy to kill i mean the game has a damn kill cam if a camper kills u a 2nd time well your doing something wrong, also if u throw flash it gives u a hit marker so thats an easy way to tell if there is a camper and ive only come across very few campers in 10days of game play most of them where prone in front of a doorway with akimbo 1887's i dont see campers a big issue in this game in particular the game has flaws yes campers are not really an issue.
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#11 mlbslugger86
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i agree because mine suck....i got more deaths than kills

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#12 me_rock
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Is your K/D in the negative range? This seems like a trivial complaint. Removal of K/D isn't going to stop people from wanting as many kills as possible anyway they can get it.

Valiant_Rebel

Why do people come do this conclusion all the time? Just because someone doesn't like a part of a game doesn't mean they suck at it. My K/D isn't isn't negative and I wish it was out of the game too.

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#13 CRUSHER88
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Removing the stat from the game is pointless. Anyone who really cares about there K/D can determine it from game to game.
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#14 Justinge3
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No my kd is over one so im not complaing because I have a bad KD.
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#15 Led_poison
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No, getting rid of K/D ratio will not solve the problems in MW2
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#17 Nonstop-Madness  Online
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They should keep k/d because it measures your skill in killing people. It doesn't mean your a good player, a player with .8 k/d can be a better overall playere than a guy with a 1.3 k/d.
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#18 penumbra13
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Modern Warfare 2's gameplay is built around Kill/Death ratio. People are encouraged to camp due to the kill streak bonuses. Dying is actually penalized because you lose potential airdrops.

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#19 Valiant_Rebel
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[QUOTE="Valiant_Rebel"]

Is your K/D in the negative range? This seems like a trivial complaint. Removal of K/D isn't going to stop people from wanting as many kills as possible anyway they can get it.

me_rock

Why do people come do this conclusion all the time? Just because someone doesn't like a part of a game doesn't mean they suck at it. My K/D isn't isn't negative and I wish it was out of the game too.

Fair enough. I wasn't trying to imply the TC had a bad K/D ratio, but what would the removal of the K/D ratio actually do?

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#20 Brownesque
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Devs need to scrap stat tracking altogether. The only meaningful statistic is how you perform inside of a game, relative to the players there. All indirect competition is a waste of time. The problem with Modern Warfare is the killstreaks, because they encourage camping instead of playing like a normal human being.
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#21 deactivated-5cf4b2c19c4ab
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i like tf2's way, you can see your k/d ratio but on the scoreboard it just shows how many points you earned.
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#22 ImproveMind
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Modern Warfare 2's gameplay is built around Kill/Death ratio. People are encouraged to camp due to the kill streak bonuses. Dying is actually penalized because you lose potential airdrops.

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This post is exactly right. You other posters make it seem like MW2 is the only game, which is sad really. Make the killstreaks 3-5-7 in MW2 and the camping would be all but gone.
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#23 ninjapirate2000
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They should just get rid of Mw2, it's the only way to fix it.

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[QUOTE="Justinge3"]IF anything it would make people not camp as much. Even just a little.Fightingfan
Nah, the kill streaks above 9 make camping a must. There is no way you can run an gun a nuke.

Sandy Ravage disagrees :P
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They should keep k/d because it measures your skill in killing people. It doesn't mean your a good player, a player with .8 k/d can be a better overall playere than a guy with a 1.3 k/d. Nonstop-Madness

This is actually true. Yes, a K/DR can be INDICATIVE of player skill, but it's not the be all end all of stats. My K/DR on BC2 right now is only 0.82. Consider the fact though that it USED to be 0.69. Obviously I've brought it up considerably. My K/DR might be lower than some friends of mine, but my squad score is more than twice some of theirs. I'm more of a team player than a guy worrying about my K/DR. I'm still trying to improve it, but it's not the most important thing to me.

Besides, FPSs aren't my forte. I don't completely suck at them, but I honesly feel I'm better at TPSs.

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#25 murat8
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I also agree that kill streaks need to either go or be 3-5-7 and that's all its kind of lame when 50% of your kills aren't even really u killing. IMO what the 3-5-7 should be 3: UAV 5: Presision Air Strike 7: Attack Helicopter(but one that can actually kill the one in MW2 sux a few time it gave me 0 kills without being shot down)
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#26 KHAndAnime
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They should scrap killing people too while they're at it.
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#27 Mr_Cumberdale
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[QUOTE="Brownesque"]Devs need to scrap stat tracking altogether. The only meaningful statistic is how you perform inside of a game, relative to the players there. All indirect competition is a waste of time. The problem with Modern Warfare is the killstreaks, because they encourage camping instead of playing like a normal human being.

I'm a statistics freak so I like seeing all sorts of stats.
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#28 penumbra13
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I enjoy team-based gameplay rather than games that focus on individual kills, etc. Games like Team Fortress 2 are what I enjoy most. Halo Reach looks like it is leaning more towards that. Sometimes in Modern Warfare 2, it feels like I am playing a single-player game. There is almost no need to communicate other than to spread some hate speech. Getting a kill streak is such an individualized feat that even your own teammates feel like computer-controlled allies.

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#29 DJ_Headshot
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I like to see my kill to death i can see how good i am playing the longer you are alive and the more people you kill you are more benefit then someone who doesn't kill anyone and dies all the time.
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#30 Justinge3
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Holy crap I saw some pics of Halo Reaches stat screens THEY RECORD EVERYTHING That game will encourage EXCESSIVE camping and glitching/boosting if they show that many stats about kd.
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#31 alextherussian
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I dont think they should remove it, but rather go the BC2 or TF2 route. There the in game scoreboard will primarily show your score only which can come from anything (i.e: defending, healing, repairing, killing). If the goal is to rack up a high number then a player can do this by playing the game for all the rewarded aspects rather then just for the kills and deaths....
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#32 treedoor
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Solution - Don't support camper friendly games?

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#33 i5750at4Ghz
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I agree 100% with TC. Only thing is I would track only 1 stats. Wins and Losses. This is what the game should be about, how well the team you're on is performing.
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#34 W1NGMAN-
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Camping happens in MW2 not because people are worrying about their KD but because they're rewarded with Kill Streaks.

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#35 oldkingallant
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any game where you die so easily like MW2 there is going to be camping. because you feel weak and vulnerable. enter halo where you feel like the fist of god, and the last thing on your mind is camping because you want to destroy everything in your path.

lespaul1919
Try Gears of War where you channel the sheer mainly power of your unfeasibly large shoulders.... seriously in that game online or campaign I didn't bother with cover, ran right out in the open and tore everyone apart. Games should stop aiming for such gritty realism, dying in 2 shots isn't fun.... especially when it's from a shotgun 200 feet away....
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#36 oldkingallant
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i like tf2's way, you can see your k/d ratio but on the scoreboard it just shows how many points you earned.ferret-gamer
That's probably the best thing to do, but it won't work for every game. In TF2 you can get 0 kills and have 10 deaths in a round and still be the best player because you could have died defending a base or capturing a point, then being killed right after. You could be a Medic as well, just heal people up and shoot to kill when the other person is already being taken down by a more powerful character. In games like MW2 there's no way to assign points outside K/D. Of course in games that have Capture the Flag you measure that, but that's just a given.
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#37 SgtKevali
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Is your K/D in the negative range? This seems like a trivial complaint. Removal of K/D isn't going to stop people from wanting as many kills as possible anyway they can get it.

Valiant_Rebel

K/D ratios can't be negative, lol.

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#38 Gxgear
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No way that's happeneing. People can play however they like (and they fully exercise their right to do so) regardless of the complaints and protests, so the best you can do to avoid campers/glitchers is to leave the game.

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#39 moistsandwich
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any game where you die so easily like MW2 there is going to be camping. because you feel weak and vulnerable. enter halo where you feel like the fist of god, and the last thing on your mind is camping because you want to destroy everything in your path.

lespaul1919

Love your sig...

love Halo...such a beautiful game.

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#40 TREAL_Since
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I would like more games to score you based on various c|ass accomplishments and teamwork accomplishments. Actually just take away leaderboards I guess :P. That's not to say every game should scrap leaderboards! That would be awful! I'd like a mix. One thing I like about David Jaffey. For his upcoming games, he really doesn't want a meta game that tracks stats. Just pick it up, play, and have fun.
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#41 TREAL_Since
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Also, there's nothing wrong with camping. Just wash the camper out :). Camping can be a useful strategy if done right. And it's totally legal. Plus, in MW2 there's a kill cam that literally show you where your killer is :P. Now it's the boosting and glitching that should STOP :lol:!
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#42 Valiant_Rebel
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[QUOTE="Valiant_Rebel"]

Is your K/D in the negative range? This seems like a trivial complaint. Removal of K/D isn't going to stop people from wanting as many kills as possible anyway they can get it.

SgtKevali

K/D ratios can't be negative, lol.

More deaths than kills then...

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[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="Valiant_Rebel"]

Is your K/D in the negative range? This seems like a trivial complaint. Removal of K/D isn't going to stop people from wanting as many kills as possible anyway they can get it.

Valiant_Rebel

K/D ratios can't be negative, lol.

More deaths than kills then...

Its still over 0 which is a positive.

Those who have negative ratio are the ones caught cheating (such as prestige 10 lobby).

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#44 Valiant_Rebel
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Its still over 0 which is a positive.

Those who have negative ratio are the ones caught cheating (such as prestige 10 lobby).

Nintendo_Man

I know it is positive since it is still over 0. I didn't realize what I typed until Sgt pointed it out to me. I originally meant to say "do you have more deaths than kills?"

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#45 dark-warmachine
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I don't think dev should scrap the K/D ratio. Instead, they should stop rewarding the losers and givetons moreincentives for winning. If you and your team lose the match no rewards should be given to you at all, which should halt your progress and allow you to reflect on actually winning.

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#46 tbone802
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I like in BFBC2 how you can compare Points Per Minute (or hour, I forget), I think that stat is more indicative of how effective you are as a player.
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#49 twitchmonkey399
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[QUOTE="tbone802"]I like in BFBC2 how you can compare Points Per Minute (or hour, I forget), I think that stat is more indicative of how effective you are as a player. AncientDozer
I don't judge anyone by any stat. It's ultimately a fruitless exercise trying to guess if it's legit or not. I assume everyone is at peak and respond as such. If it turns out they suck, well, the game ends quicker than expected.

While it's true that you can never judge a player fully by their stats, most of the time you can get a good idea of the player's skill level. This is especially true in games where you are rewarded for playing well, and not just how long. For example, Halo 3 has a Trueskill value used to match players of the same skill level up. While it's not perfect because of reasons such as second accounters and the system's inability to fully take into account that a player can improve after a great many games, it is generally a very good indicater of skill level.
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#50 SgtKevali
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[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="Valiant_Rebel"]

Is your K/D in the negative range? This seems like a trivial complaint. Removal of K/D isn't going to stop people from wanting as many kills as possible anyway they can get it.

Valiant_Rebel

K/D ratios can't be negative, lol.

More deaths than kills then...

Unless you have negative kills that's pretty difficult. :lol: