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#1 Zero_epyon
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  • Demo was playing on a PS4 Pro
  • Temporal Injection 4K (Not Native 4K) like Ratchet and Clank
  • 30FPS target
  • Edges are smooth to mimic cgi
  • Motion Blur is natural and could be mistaken for prerendered video
  • Animation blending and layering similar to Naughty Dog game
  • The game may be open world based on the ability to take multiple routes during the chase sequence
  • Failed QTE's don't necessarily fail the sequence. Just effects the outcome of the action
  • Web needs to attach to a building to swing
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I can't wait to see more of Spider-man. I was really impressed by the e3 demo.

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#4 Zero_epyon
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@kuu2 said:

Sometime in 2018.................maybe.................possibly.................probably 2019.

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#5  Edited By Valgaav_219
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I can't wait. I know they're going to knock it out of the park.

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#6  Edited By ellos
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Looking good. Some concerns about qte fest and expecting minor downgrades, but like what I heard from there interviews. Insomniac are solid so that is always a plus.

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@kuu2 said:

Sometime in 2018.................maybe.................possibly.................probably 2019.

What?

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#8  Edited By PinkAnimal
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@colinpapernick said:
@kuu2 said:

Sometime in 2018.................maybe.................possibly.................probably 2019.

What?

He's butthurt

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#9  Edited By DaVillain  Moderator
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@kuu2 said:

Sometime in 2018.................maybe.................possibly.................probably 2019.

2018 is the release date we got, not 2019.

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#11 DaVillain  Moderator
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@kuu2 said:
@davillain- said:
@kuu2 said:

Sometime in 2018.................maybe.................possibly.................probably 2019.

2018 is the release date we got, not 2019.

Must be your first Sony game.

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@kuu2 said:
@davillain- said:
@kuu2 said:

Sometime in 2018.................maybe.................possibly.................probably 2019.

2018 is the release date we got, not 2019.

Must be your first Sony game.

will still come sooner than most ms first party exclusives

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wonder how it will run on a base PS4

Didn't Spiderman 2 require the web to attach to buildings or helicopters?

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#14  Edited By QuadKnight
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@kuu2 said:
@davillain- said:
@kuu2 said:

Sometime in 2018.................maybe.................possibly.................probably 2019.

2018 is the release date we got, not 2019.

Must be your first Sony game.

Mmmmm....delicious lem tears.

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@drlostrib said:

wonder how it will run on a base PS4

Didn't Spiderman 2 require the web to attach to buildings or helicopters?

Yeah and that's what made the game for a lot of people. Why they went back to moon webs is beyond me.

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@Zero_epyon said:
@kuu2 said:

Sometime in 2018.................maybe.................possibly.................probably 2019.

This is the picture the Cows see everytime someone mentions the Xbox One X has the better Mulitplat version from Digital Foundry.

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@ellos: It was fully playable on pro i doubt it will be downgraded. Horizon looked amazing im sure Spiderman can too.

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@kuu2 said:

Sometime in 2018.................maybe.................possibly.................probably 2019.

So, around the same time frame the next xbox exclusive releases.

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@kuu2 said:
@Liquid_ said:
@kuu2 said:

Sometime in 2018.................maybe.................possibly.................probably 2019.

So, around the same time frame the next xbox exclusive releases.

The One doesn't have exclusive silly boy, PC is its higher end cousin.

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@kuu2: Maybe next time, you won't open your silly fanboy mouth into someone's thread that doesn't involve Xbox One X cause you look like a fool.

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#23  Edited By cainetao11
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@drlostrib said:

wonder how it will run on a base PS4

Didn't Spiderman 2 require the web to attach to buildings or helicopters?

It did. Don't know why that is a bullet point but we know there are different rules for Sony.

I am psyched for Spider-Man though! I grew up reading and collecting comics and love my hero's. Looking forward to it.

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@Liquid_ said:
@kuu2 said:

Sometime in 2018.................maybe.................possibly.................probably 2019.

So, around the same time frame the next xbox exclusive releases.

True, they actually take years but they eventually get cancelled, not released.

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@kuu2 said:
@Liquid_ said:
@kuu2 said:

Sometime in 2018.................maybe.................possibly.................probably 2019.

So, around the same time frame the next xbox exclusive releases.

The One doesn't have exclusive silly boy, PC is its higher end cousin.

PSnow is coming Cows this whole exclusive schitck is cute but you guys are about to get kicked in the teeth.

PSnow is a trash service at a terrible price, adding PS4 games won't make that any better. Streaming games is a trash way to play too but to each their own.

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@doomdizzle: " adding PS4 games won't make that any better. Streaming games is a trash way to play too but to each their own."

Won't PS4 games have even more problems than PS3 games?

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@PSP107 said:

@doomdizzle: " adding PS4 games won't make that any better. Streaming games is a trash way to play too but to each their own."

Won't PS4 games have even more problems than PS3 games?

You would think. I tried the service myself and canceled after trying a few titles. It felt similar to having my TV's HDR setting turned on as far as the input lag I was experiencing. Not exactly a good time.

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#28 PinkAnimal
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@doomdizzle said:
@kuu2 said:
@Liquid_ said:
@kuu2 said:

Sometime in 2018.................maybe.................possibly.................probably 2019.

So, around the same time frame the next xbox exclusive releases.

The One doesn't have exclusive silly boy, PC is its higher end cousin.

PSnow is coming Cows this whole exclusive schitck is cute but you guys are about to get kicked in the teeth.

PSnow is a trash service at a terrible price, adding PS4 games won't make that any better. Streaming games is a trash way to play too but to each their own.

This has nothing to do with exclusivity besides. Games are going to be put in and out of PSNow all the time. So a game is exclusive one day but not another and then exclusive again in 6 months? That's retarded. The service is a rental service basically.

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@xhawk27 said:
@Zero_epyon said:

This is the picture the Cows see everytime someone mentions the Xbox One X has the better Mulitplat version from Digital Foundry.

NO that is the one you see when the PS4 get another game not hitting the xbox one..hahaha

Remember that you lemmings don't care about power..hahahaha

@kuu2 said:

The One doesn't have exclusive silly boy, PC is its higher end cousin.

PSnow is coming Cows this whole exclusive schitck is cute but you guys are about to get kicked in the teeth.

Where are PS4 games on PSNOW? hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa

At least it will come out will not end like Fable and scalebound..lol

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@doomdizzle: They didn't.... it has to attach.

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Probably 1800p(cbr) with upscale to 4K. I thought it had a very rich, filmic look to it.

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#32 Zero_epyon
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@gamecubepad said:

Probably 1800p(cbr) with upscale to 4K. I thought it had a very rich, filmic look to it.

It's not checkerboard. It's their own rendering technique they call temporal injection. They do some trickery where they get a 4K output with AA. One thing it's not is Native though.

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@Zero_epyon:

Oh, ok. I wonder if that's what they did with Watch Dogs 2 or R6 Siege? Too lazy to look right now.

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#34 Zero_epyon
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@gamecubepad said:

@Zero_epyon:

Oh, ok. I wonder if that's what they did with Watch Dogs 2 or R6 Siege? Too lazy to look right now.

These games are using checkerboard.

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#35  Edited By gamecubepad
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@Zero_epyon said:
@gamecubepad said:

@Zero_epyon:

Oh, ok. I wonder if that's what they did with Watch Dogs 2 or R6 Siege? Too lazy to look right now.

These games are using checkerboard.

Are you sure? Geforce Performance guide links to "Temporal Filtering" in graphics features:

"Temporal Filtering

If you're interested in graphics technology, you've probably heard a lot of talk about "checkerboard rendering" in relation to the PlayStation 4 Pro in recent weeks. This new, upgraded PlayStation 4 is promoted as being capable of 4K graphics, and given a lower-fidelity game it most certainly is. In high-fidelity games, however, it has to use a clever workaround called "checkerboard rendering" to achieve a higher-resolution image without tanking the framerate.

In simplified terms, checkerboard rendering upscales the resolution from 1920x1080 to 3840x2160, and uses data from the previous frame to create new detailed pixels that fill in the blanks between the pixels that were upscaled, avoiding the blurriness that would otherwise occur. The result is then further improved with other techniques, and smoothed out with anti-aliasing.

This same principle was already achieved in a similar fashion in last year's Rainbow Six Siege, which introduced us to what Ubisoft calls "Temporal Filtering" (page 45-65). That first-take on the idea rendered the same number of depth samples as a full-resolution 1920x1080 picture, but only half the shaded samples, improving performance at the expense of image quality. This manifested as a reduction in the quality and visibility of Ambient Occlusion shadowing, increased shader aliasing, decreased lighting and shading fidelity, and a loss of fidelity on smaller game elements, such as leaves, grass, visual effects and minute pieces of geometry.

In the year since Ubisoft has greatly improved their implementation of the technique, avoiding almost all of the previously-observed pitfalls. Such is the level of improvement, in fact, and the performance of the game with Temporal Filtering enabled, you can increase the resolution from 1920x1080 to 2560x1440 whilst simultaneously benefiting from a faster framerate and improved image quality. Take a look for yourself in our interactive comparisons below.

---

Getting up close to the screen during slow-paced gameplay will allow you to see the pixel reconstruction tech in action, but from a general game-playing distance the difference between On and Off is nigh on impossible to detect. Potentially, other developers could follow suit, enabling you to increase image quality and performance with a flick of a switch, without decreasing the quality of other settings.

Performance: Looking at the numbers below you can see why Temporal Filtering, checkerboard rendering, and similarly named techniques are so popular on consoles."

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#36  Edited By Zero_epyon
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@gamecubepad said:
@Zero_epyon said:
@gamecubepad said:

@Zero_epyon:

Oh, ok. I wonder if that's what they did with Watch Dogs 2 or R6 Siege? Too lazy to look right now.

These games are using checkerboard.

Are you sure? Geforce Performance guide links to "Temporal Filtering" in graphics features:

"Temporal Filtering

If you're interested in graphics technology, you've probably heard a lot of talk about "checkerboard rendering" in relation to the PlayStation 4 Pro in recent weeks. This new, upgraded PlayStation 4 is promoted as being capable of 4K graphics, and given a lower-fidelity game it most certainly is. In high-fidelity games, however, it has to use a clever workaround called "checkerboard rendering" to achieve a higher-resolution image without tanking the framerate.

In simplified terms, checkerboard rendering upscales the resolution from 1920x1080 to 3840x2160, and uses data from the previous frame to create new detailed pixels that fill in the blanks between the pixels that were upscaled, avoiding the blurriness that would otherwise occur. The result is then further improved with other techniques, and smoothed out with anti-aliasing.

This same principle was already achieved in a similar fashion in last year's Rainbow Six Siege, which introduced us to what Ubisoft calls "Temporal Filtering" (page 45-65). That first-take on the idea rendered the same number of depth samples as a full-resolution 1920x1080 picture, but only half the shaded samples, improving performance at the expense of image quality. This manifested as a reduction in the quality and visibility of Ambient Occlusion shadowing, increased shader aliasing, decreased lighting and shading fidelity, and a loss of fidelity on smaller game elements, such as leaves, grass, visual effects and minute pieces of geometry.

In the year since Ubisoft has greatly improved their implementation of the technique, avoiding almost all of the previously-observed pitfalls. Such is the level of improvement, in fact, and the performance of the game with Temporal Filtering enabled, you can increase the resolution from 1920x1080 to 2560x1440 whilst simultaneously benefiting from a faster framerate and improved image quality. Take a look for yourself in our interactive comparisons below.

---

Getting up close to the screen during slow-paced gameplay will allow you to see the pixel reconstruction tech in action, but from a general game-playing distance the difference between On and Off is nigh on impossible to detect. Potentially, other developers could follow suit, enabling you to increase image quality and performance with a flick of a switch, without decreasing the quality of other settings.

Performance: Looking at the numbers below you can see why Temporal Filtering, checkerboard rendering, and similarly named techniques are so popular on consoles."

Oh I guess so then. I was sure that the used checkerboard for at least WD2.

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@leonkennedy97 said:

@doomdizzle: They didn't.... it has to attach.

Yeah they did. That's been one of the biggest complaints about the majority of modern spiderman games. The webs don't attach to anything or they don't everytime.

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@Zero_epyon:

Honestly, it's pretty confusing to me, but it sounds like different variations of the same technique.

I summon you, @ronvalencia ! (Chartaro?)

gamecubepad summons Chartaro
gamecubepad summons Chartaro

Ron is in the house! Ready to impart knowledge to the simple.
Ron is in the house! Ready to impart knowledge to the simple.

Me when I see Ron walking in...
Me when I see Ron walking in...

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@gamecubepad said:

@Zero_epyon:

Honestly, it's pretty confusing to me, but it sounds like different variations of the same technique.

I summon you, @ronvalencia ! (Chartaro?)

gamecubepad summons Chartaro
gamecubepad summons Chartaro
Ron is in the house! Ready to impart knowledge to the simple.
Ron is in the house! Ready to impart knowledge to the simple.
Me when I see Ron walking in...
Me when I see Ron walking in...

I really don't know how to react to that...

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#40  Edited By DaVillain  Moderator
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@Zero_epyon: I finally got around watching the clip and I must say, I was impress what DF takes on Spider-Man but however, despite "30fps target" as long as it stays locked, I can deal with it but man, it's a bummer this is a PS4 exclusive and no PC version to get around the limitations but like I said, if it's locked 30fps, I'll be okay with it. Same way I did for Horizon: Zero Dawn right?

"Failed QTE's don't necessarily fail the sequence. Just effects the outcome of the action" hopefully, this doesn't become a fest of QTE and while I don't mind them, it needs to have heavy effects should you failed it cause this is Spider-Man were talking about hence "with great power comes great responsibility" and Spidey needs to know what happens should he failed and not get cocky with his powers.

Great video by DF, looking totally gonna pre-order Spider-Man PS4 exclusive later on and it's a shame it ain't gonna release around the same time for the movie Homecoming.

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@doomdizzle: I'm talking about in the new game.

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#42 Epak_
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@doomdizzle said:
@drlostrib said:

wonder how it will run on a base PS4

Didn't Spiderman 2 require the web to attach to buildings or helicopters?

Yeah and that's what made the game for a lot of people. Why they went back to moon webs is beyond me.

They didn't.

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#43  Edited By doomdizzle
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@Epak_ said:
@doomdizzle said:
@drlostrib said:

wonder how it will run on a base PS4

Didn't Spiderman 2 require the web to attach to buildings or helicopters?

Yeah and that's what made the game for a lot of people. Why they went back to moon webs is beyond me.

They didn't.

In the games after Spiderman 2 they absolutely did. Not all of them I believe there were one or two that stayed true but had other problems.

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#44 Epak_
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@doomdizzle said:
@Epak_ said:
@doomdizzle said:
@drlostrib said:

wonder how it will run on a base PS4

Didn't Spiderman 2 require the web to attach to buildings or helicopters?

Yeah and that's what made the game for a lot of people. Why they went back to moon webs is beyond me.

They didn't.

In the games after Spiderman 2 they absolutely did. Not all of them I believe there were one or two that stayed true but had other problems.

Yes yes yes, they did, but now it's back in.

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#45  Edited By doomdizzle
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@Epak_ said:
@doomdizzle said:
@Epak_ said:
@doomdizzle said:
@drlostrib said:

wonder how it will run on a base PS4

Didn't Spiderman 2 require the web to attach to buildings or helicopters?

Yeah and that's what made the game for a lot of people. Why they went back to moon webs is beyond me.

They didn't.

In the games after Spiderman 2 they absolutely did. Not all of them I believe there were one or two that stayed true but had other problems.

Yes yes yes, they did, but now it's back in.

Indeed and we should all rejoice. Pretty hyped for this game

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#46  Edited By BobRossPerm
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I'm going to buy this even just for free roaming next gen NYC. Hope it's a good game too.

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@gamecubepad: Those Ron gifs are hilarious.

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I have NO Doubt this game will be Amazing!

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This is graphics. Resolution is meaningless when Sony got games like this coming out.