DLSS 4 greatness, thoughts...

Great pictures, don't you think. Plus, full path tracing. The funny thing is, this is in DLSS 'Ultra Performance Mode' upscaled to 4K. That's pretty much only rendering 720P!

I'm pretty chuffed with how this games looks and how it's now possible to play with PT on a RTX 4070Ti Super and have a decent enough Frame rate with DLSS and Frame Gen.

Are you impressed with DLSS 4 so far?

Console only gamers, jealous?

Nope! Relying on AI to compensate for poor performance of ray tracing is not particularly exciting or worth the effort.

Saw a picture of Mirror's Edge 2 the other day at 4K in some random article. This game is 10+ years old, and it looks amazing.

The headline was "This game is 10+ years old and looks amazing with no DLSS and no ray tracing; WAKE UP PEOPLE" or something like that. The intent of the article was the blast the 5000 series for being a.) expensive, and b.) not a huge improvement over the 4000 series.

I've been saying for a while now that we are experiencing severe diminishing returns in terms of dollars per frame or "wow factor" but it didn't really sink in until now that, while nice, a lot of this extra crap is exactly that: extra crap. We hit a point in the 2010's where games looked about as good as I think they're going to look, and it is going to take more than just horsepower and "extras" for us to make the next jump.

Fact is, most of what I experience in the game is going by too fast for me to really notice. I might skip two generations this time around and wait for the 6000 series lol.

Also where the hell is Mirror's Edge 3!?

I'm sticking with my 4090 until DLSS4 shows something other than multiple generated frames. Generating 1 frame is enough and already pushing it.

I also want to see what they do with the Neural Rendering. Seems cool, but will take a couple of years to see anything from developers like Ray Tracing and DLSS.

Ill probably wait until the 6090, these features will be more mature by then

@navyguy21: You already have DLSS 4 with your 4090 including the new transformer model and neural rendering features. MFG is the only thing exclusive to 5000 series and that is only worthwhile if you have 240hz or higher.

The funny thing is, people chasing super high frame rates are doing so for less latency and not smoothness. So, it makes MFG kinda pointless.

The new transformer model is excellent. Im all for better optimisation in games but the tech is excellent nevertheless

I must dig the ol laptop out and see it in person. Pit my mobile RTX 2060 against my 6900XT and see how it stacks up with Nvidias latest tricks and....er...FSR frame gen (seriously Nvidia...why no frame gen of your own for Turing and Ampere? Not cool.).

Though, in my limited use of FSR frame gen, I have found it to be quite good in fairness. Credit to AMD there and using Async compute was very clever. It looks like I'll be using it full time for Monster Hunter Wilds.

DLSS 4 is looking very impressive though. Whatever about the 5000 series hardware, Nvidia did have some nice stuff cooked on the software side at CES. The texture compression also looked like a cool idea (and that will run on any GPU it seems).

As a console only gamer, I would like to say to the OP, playing a game is better than looking at it. Hermits always do things the wrong way 🤦‍♂️

video games.

I mean the looking at it is part of the name...

Yeah, you look at the game obviously, but you don't ogle it every 10 steps, and eventually you have to PLAY it to get any enjoyment out of it.

Your eyes and brain can actually catch quite a lot of details: smearing on fast movements, phone lines breaking up, stuff like that can willingly be ignored but your brain still processed it.

DLSS 4 is basically a free visual upgrade for any Nvidia (post 2000 series) owner.

But even as a console only gamer, you still go for the latest tech, the latest console, right? You don't just do this for the games, it's also done for the graphics and performance. You can't deny that. It's always been this way, since the first consoles.

If it was only about 'playing games', we would still be playing on 8-bit machines.

That's nonsensical. You buy the newest console because you know the current console you own will stop getting games, and thus you need to buy the new one to continue your gaming, but I didn't buy the Series X in 2020 when it came out, I bought one in 2022, so no the newest tech with the newest graphics wasn't a factor. The best thing about the Series X for me is the fact I can auto resume multiple games at once saving me time, because graphics of course is going to get better with new tech, but I didn't buy it for that.

Secondly i'm the retro king on the board (self-proclaimed and voted as such by SW users) because I have spent more money and time over the last 2-3yrs buying and playing retro games, heck the other day I was playing the Atari 2600.

No offense to you or anyone else here, but only superficial people care about graphics, because it can look like a million bucks, but if it plays like a dollar then its gonna suck.

And besides console gamers and PC gamers want vastly different things (for the most part) so asking if console only gamers are jealous, is so funny, because me looking at those 2 pics makes me wonder why everything looks so shiny/plastic, it kinda distracts from the game.

But if that sort of stuff floats your boat, then more power to you, but no i'm not jealous, i'm kinda laughing at that statement 🤣

Yea, thats why I'm waiting for the 6090. I dont see developers shifting to neural rendering anytime soon. They are just now beginning to make use of ray tracing as standard.

Yes, tried on 5080, quality improved significantly

@last_lap I think I should have put a disclaimer on my post. I'm not really here to seriously argue, only to banter. I wouldn't take what I put here too seriously. I'm a nice British guy, honest.

I'm a retro gamer too. Unfortunately, I only own 2 retro machines, an Xbox 360 (is that Retro lol?) and an old PSP. because I lack space currently, I don't have much room for any other machines. I do most of my retro gaming via emulation. Also, like you, I play everything, from the Atari 2600 up to the PS3. Even use Shaders to try to make it look like I'm playing on old CRT.

In fact, sometime later this year I'm hoping to pick up an FPGA based system called the Mister Multisystem 2 which incorporates a DE10 Nano FPGA. I'm looking at a more authentic way of playing old systems, without the need to go out, buy and then try to maintain them.

On Friday I visited a local 'Barcade' filled with a number of old arcade cabinets. They also had some console's you could play for free. I played some of them, but avoided the N64 and PS1. Not because of the consoles look bad themselves, but because they were hooked up to modern TV's without any kind of scaler in-between. Short of playing such systems on CRT, these machines at the very least need a Framemiester or OSSC to look decent on a modern display.

Yes, I like nice graphics, but I'm not a graphics whore per-say. There would be a number of 4090 or even 4080 users who would scoff (and probably still do) at the very thought of 4K in Ultra Performance. I get a great of pleasure out of trying to optimise games on my PC.

@Bond007uk: Don't worry I wasn't taking anything you said to heart. For starters that's the big difference between console vs PC gamers, the tinkering.

Me personally when I turn my console on and start up a game, I'm happy to pick the difficulty and that's it, anything else just annoys me as I just want to play the game, heck I don't even choose between resolution or performance mode, whatever its on i'm good with that. Now PC gamers like to tinker, and you can tinker a LOT right?

As for being a retro gamer, well I think you're doing it all wrong. Me personally and don't take offense to this, but I only think someone is truly a retro gamer when they use the actual console/handheld and original controllers etc. Me well I own every Sega console, every Nintendo, just missing a NES because it broke a while back and never replaced it, well not yet, every PS up to 4, and both PSP & Vita, Atari 2600 etc. with about 2000 physical games, yes you could say I have enough room lol.

A barcade huh, can't say we have them over here in Australia, well not from what i've seen, but i'm not a drinker so I rarely visit a pub, and playing retro stuff on modern tv's is ok so long as you're using a 48cm tv or smaller as it still looks nice, but the bigger the tv the worse it looks.

Don't worry I won't hold anything against you being a Pom, only come Ashes time, then your kind are my mortal enemies 🤣🤣🤣

Impressed? No. Ray tracing is too taxing for too little reward. Don't feel like spending 2000 dollars on a GPU to make my games slightly shinier.

It didn't cost me $2000. My RTX 4070Ti Super (yes, it's a mouthful lol) cost me about £750 - which is about $930 USD.

Yeah, exaggerated a bit. ~1000 bucks is still too much, imo.

Meh. The dithering artifacts drive me nuts.