Do cows really have a right to say...

that MS makes "crappy" hardware?

I'm sure everyone remembers all of the problems Sony had with the PSX, and PS2. The cows seemed to have forgotten, but I certainly remember.

The PSX had the problem where the CD-ROM lens would get misaligned.

The PS2 had the dreadfull DREs.

Sure, MS rushed the 360, but that doesn't mean that MS is the only company in the world that has had these kind of problems, and at least they're trying thier best to fix it. Sony is far from innocent in this matter. The Xbox didn't have any serious problems that I knew of.

Those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I know all of you cows are enjoying this, because you guys got the samething for years, but the more you guys bring up the 360's hardware problems, the more hypocritical you guys look.

Yeah, because I've never had serious issues with any of that hardware and I've personally had to deal with people who've had problems with the 360 (including the store's demo unit).

Plus theres the fact that its a lot easier to readjust a screw or tip the console than put back on a GPU that has come unsautered.

those things were fixed faster, its horrible that you can send a 360 to MS and once you get it back it can happen again! WTF!Star67

I went through 6 PS2's before I got one (slim PS2) that worked right, and it didn't seem they fixed it that fast.

[QUOTE="Star67"]those things were fixed faster, its horrible that you can send a 360 to MS and once you get it back it can happen again! WTF!MortalDecay

I went through 6 PS2's before I got one (slim PS2) that worked right, and it didn't seem they fixed it that fast.

Screwdriver + Google = fixed PS2. :|

that MS makes "crappy" hardware?

I'm sure everyone remembers all of the problems Sony had with the PSX, and PS2. The cows seemed to have forgotten, but I certainly remember.

The PSX had the problem where the CD-ROM lens would get misaligned.

The PS2 had the dreadfull DREs.

Sure, MS rushed the 360, but that doesn't mean that MS is the only company in the world that has had these kind of problems, and at least they're trying thier best to fix it. Sony is far from innocent in this matter. The Xbox didn't have any serious problems that I knew of.

Those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I know all of you cows are enjoying this, because you guys got the samething for years, but the more you guys bring up the 360's hardware problems, the more hypocritical you guys look.

MortalDecay

1. 33% failure rate

2. 2 years later and the percent hasnt changed ppl still get RROD and other problems

3. that was then (still nto as bad) and now is now, PS3 failure rate is liek 1% at max

that MS makes "crappy" hardware?

I'm sure everyone remembers all of the problems Sony had with the PSX, and PS2. The cows seemed to have forgotten, but I certainly remember.

The PSX had the problem where the CD-ROM lens would get misaligned.

The PS2 had the dreadfull DREs.

Sure, MS rushed the 360, but that doesn't mean that MS is the only company in the world that has had these kind of problems, and at least they're trying thier best to fix it. Sony is far from innocent in this matter. The Xbox didn't have any serious problems that I knew of.

Those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I know all of you cows are enjoying this, because you guys got the samething for years, but the more you guys bring up the 360's hardware problems, the more hypocritical you guys look.

MortalDecay

Damage control ftl...

Ok now..I was able to play Blitz on my PSone that had about 1/5 of the cd broken off..and it worked fine...nooow lets compare it to a console that..
Scratches CD's
Freezes constantly
Gets RRoD
And on thing that is holding it up is its games...

My psone and ps2 never failed me...not even once.

those things were fixed faster, its horrible that you can send a 360 to MS and once you get it back it can happen again! WTF!Star67

Sure they might have been fixed quicker.

But they charged insane amount of money for it. When my PS2's messed up and the warranty expired, I just went and bought another one because they usually charged like $20-$30 less than retail price.

I opted to just buy a new one instead of waiting so I could keep playing Socom 2.

that MS makes "crappy" hardware?

I'm sure everyone remembers all of the problems Sony had with the PSX, and PS2. The cows seemed to have forgotten, but I certainly remember.

The PSX had the problem where the CD-ROM lens would get misaligned.

The PS2 had the dreadfull DREs.

Sure, MS rushed the 360, but that doesn't mean that MS is the only company in the world that has had these kind of problems, and at least they're trying thier best to fix it. Sony is far from innocent in this matter. The Xbox didn't have any serious problems that I knew of.

Those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I know all of you cows are enjoying this, because you guys got the samething for years, but the more you guys bring up the 360's hardware problems, the more hypocritical you guys look.

MortalDecay

Just accept the fact 360 is a bad hardware. You look more hypcritical.

that MS makes "crappy" hardware?

I'm sure everyone remembers all of the problems Sony had with the PSX, and PS2. The cows seemed to have forgotten, but I certainly remember.

The PSX had the problem where the CD-ROM lens would get misaligned.

The PS2 had the dreadfull DREs.

Sure, MS rushed the 360, but that doesn't mean that MS is the only company in the world that has had these kind of problems, and at least they're trying thier best to fix it. Sony is far from innocent in this matter. The Xbox didn't have any serious problems that I knew of.

Those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I know all of you cows are enjoying this, because you guys got the samething for years, but the more you guys bring up the 360's hardware problems, the more hypocritical you guys look.

MortalDecay

[QUOTE="Star67"]those things were fixed faster, its horrible that you can send a 360 to MS and once you get it back it can happen again! WTF!MortalDecay

I went through 6 PS2's before I got one (slim PS2) that worked right, and it didn't seem they fixed it that fast.

Do lemmings have the right to talk about poor hardware to cows?fiveftwang

No. He is just trying to sheild his systems failure by hiding behind another.

[QUOTE="fiveftwang"]Do lemmings have the right to talk about poor hardware to cows?DeathIsARight

No. He is just trying to sheild his systems failure by hiding behind another.

My point exactly, lemmings have no right to hold hardware over anybody.

PS3 is, in general, a very reliable console.

Xbox 360, in general, is very unreliable.

Yes, they have the right to say that.

Sure, every system has their share of problems, even the wii, with that whole wrist strap debauchle. But, some problems are worse than others. The ps2 didn't nearly have 33% of it's systems with DREs. Hell, most people I know have used their ps2s for 6-7 years without any problems whatsoever. The 360's overheating and RROD are not only much bigger problems, it's embarassing the sheer amount of 360s that have this problem, and the sheer potential for any 360 purchased on the market today to have that problem. I never heard of people worrying so much about DRE when wanting to purchase a PS2, whereas, every other thread about purchasing a 360 involves someone worrying about the RROD problem and overheating, and wondering whether they should purchase the system at all. Yes, every system has some problems but the 360 is scrutinized because of the sheer severity and massive occurene of these probelms. Shaqneel

what absolute rubbish - i used to work in a video game repair shop in Australia and we used to keep track of ps2's we fixed - the SCPH 5XXXX (version 9/10) ps2 would have a 9.5% failure right out of the box (this occured when sony decided tocut a few costs and change some internal components- they fixed this but kept it out of the press)! Moreover, about 60% of version 3/4's did not survive after 3 years, we found an overall DRE rate of about 18% - quite shocking and made us alot of money in charging for laser replacements as sony's warranty only lasted for 1 year in Aus.

that MS makes "crappy" hardware?

I'm sure everyone remembers all of the problems Sony had with the PSX, and PS2. The cows seemed to have forgotten, but I certainly remember.

The PSX had the problem where the CD-ROM lens would get misaligned.

The PS2 had the dreadfull DREs.

Sure, MS rushed the 360, but that doesn't mean that MS is the only company in the world that has had these kind of problems, and at least they're trying thier best to fix it. Sony is far from innocent in this matter. The Xbox didn't have any serious problems that I knew of.

Those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I know all of you cows are enjoying this, because you guys got the samething for years, but the more you guys bring up the 360's hardware problems, the more hypocritical you guys look.

MortalDecay

welcome to 2007/2008 The new Gen, Micrsoft makes crapppy hardware is true:

1- RROD

2- Disk scraching

3- Harddisk failers

4- tons of other problems..

5- 33% failer rate

Sony this gen

( Number of problems : )

1% Failer rate..

FACE THE TRUTH

Well, I never had a problem with my PS2, but I bought it 2 years after launch.

And nobody should be trying to cover up the mistakes of each company. We have to let them know that we aren't happy with bad hardware.

those things were fixed faster, its horrible that you can send a 360 to MS and once you get it back it can happen again! WTF!Star67

its horrible sony didn't own up to the dre's like ms did and extend the warranty to 3 years.

"well ya know, things break."

[QUOTE="Star67"]those things were fixed faster, its horrible that you can send a 360 to MS and once you get it back it can happen again! WTF!shoeman12

its horrible sony didn't own up to the dre's like ms did and extend the warranty to 3 years.

I think you'll find there are far more issues with the 360 than DREs and that they refused to acknowledge widespread issues for two years.

[QUOTE="shoeman12"]

[QUOTE="Star67"]those things were fixed faster, its horrible that you can send a 360 to MS and once you get it back it can happen again! WTF!Runningflame570

its horrible sony didn't own up to the dre's like ms did and extend the warranty to 3 years.

I think you'll find there are far more issues with the 360 than DREs and that they refused to acknowledge widespread issues for two years.

but sony refused to agknowledge the problem at all and made you pay for repairs. ms even refunded your money if you paid for an earlier repair. which one is worse?

but sony refused to agknowledge the problem at all and made you pay for repairs. ms even refunded your money if you paid for an earlier repair. which one is worse?

shoeman12

Both are unacceptable, but with the case of the PS2 you could typically fix it yourself, thats what makes it "better" subjectively speaking than the 360 which has numerous failures that aren't fixable by you as an individual. That may have been entirely accidental but it alone makes the PS2 DREs less of an issue than the 360 RRoDs..especially when you consider that if it ever fails the 360 tends to fail repeatedly.

that MS makes "crappy" hardware?

I'm sure everyone remembers all of the problems Sony had with the PSX, and PS2. The cows seemed to have forgotten, but I certainly remember.

The PSX had the problem where the CD-ROM lens would get misaligned.

The PS2 had the dreadfull DREs.

Sure, MS rushed the 360, but that doesn't mean that MS is the only company in the world that has had these kind of problems, and at least they're trying thier best to fix it. Sony is far from innocent in this matter. The Xbox didn't have any serious problems that I knew of.

Those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I know all of you cows are enjoying this, because you guys got the samething for years, but the more you guys bring up the 360's hardware problems, the more hypocritical you guys look.

MortalDecay

those things were fixed faster, its horrible that you can send a 360 to MS and once you get it back it can happen again! WTF!Star67

My launch 360 will be 2 years old in december. PEACE! :D

that MS makes "crappy" hardware?

I'm sure everyone remembers all of the problems Sony had with the PSX, and PS2. The cows seemed to have forgotten, but I certainly remember.

The PSX had the problem where the CD-ROM lens would get misaligned.

The PS2 had the dreadfull DREs.

Sure, MS rushed the 360, but that doesn't mean that MS is the only company in the world that has had these kind of problems, and at least they're trying thier best to fix it. Sony is far from innocent in this matter. The Xbox didn't have any serious problems that I knew of.

Those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I know all of you cows are enjoying this, because you guys got the samething for years, but the more you guys bring up the 360's hardware problems, the more hypocritical you guys look.

MortalDecay