Do gamers hate QTE or do they just hate seeing the button prompts ?

QTE seemed like a fresh new idea back in 2005 with games like GOW and RE4 even though it was around longer than that but of course the games mentioned brought it back into the limelight. Now it's not looked fondly at, gamers would rather play the game instead of cutscenes and I do agree. But is it really hated because it's shallow or the fact gamers don't want to be told what to do ? I think it's the latter. Take away the signs and I don't see people having any problems with it. Look at Uncharted 3 and Batman. Engage in melee combat and it becomes a QTE fest but take the prompts away and from my understanding everyone loves it.

Is that the answer to the future of QTE in games? Stealth QTE?

The most annoying thing about QTE is if you make an error, you're warped back to the checkpoint and have to play up to the point where the QTE happened. The scripted QTE that can be memorized aren't that bad. The main culprits are the games with random button presses at the end of a boss. One slip up and you're warped back to the checkpoint before the boss fight.

QTE also kills immersion. You can be in the zone dishing out the pain, then QTE pops up and you have to concentrate.

I guess, if you are into DND, you might think of them as Reflex Saving Throws :)

Depends on the game really.

For me I have the problem where, as campzor stated, i'll have to wait for a ladder climbing cut scene to end before I can involve myself in the game. I can't tell you how many times I hit a cut scene and remember I wanted to do something before that ladder climb but have to wait for the scene to end before I can go back and do it.wolfbm

I believe QTE refers to a quick reaction that must be executed within a given amount of time after the player is presented with a prompt. Such interactions in the game world which you can do at leisure do not classify as QTE.

Depends on the game really.

el3m2tigre

Would it bother you that the buttons are popping up telling you what to do or would you rather devs make it more subtle by not doing so yet still having the same input/effect?

For me I have the problem where, as campzor stated, i'll have to wait for a ladder climbing cut scene to end before I can involve myself in the game. I can't tell you how many times I hit a cut scene and remember I wanted to do something before that ladder climb but have to wait for the scene to end before I can go back and do it. In addition QTE seem to feel more like game companies testing me if I really know where the certain buttons are on my controller. For me I may use the X button all day but the moment they jump on the screen saying "HIT X NOW!!!" my hands basically become inoperable ha ha.wolfbm

climbing in CS 1.6... just walk into the ladder...face up and forward and you are climbing and able to jump off whenever and also shoot at the same time.. climbing in say... killzone 2... walk up to a ladder... press O..this animation happens... go up ladder slowly without the ability to shoot... really pisses me off when devs dont give you this freedom.. As i said.. i accept it in a handful of games... but when its in every single title being released..it gets annoyingcampzor

Ah automated climbing. One of the worst uses of QTE. UC3 has a similar problem. When you go up to melee you go into QTE mode and then surrounding foes start shooting at you and you can't take your gun out because you are left pressing the buttons on-screen to finish the melee.

QTE sucks unless it's for something that isn't part of normal gameplay. Like finishing bosses in God of War. I realize I won't get these spectacular finishes with normal gameplay, so QTE is fine. When you QTE crap like the sword slashing in NG3 I get annoyed.

When you QTE crap like the sword slashing in NG3 I get annoyed.

GD1551

Yeah I agree there. I found it quite funny when the devs said that gamers were annoyed by the buttons on screen so they're taken away but we all know they're not because you still have to press them only now you don't get a message saying so. The gameplay is still slowed down with the use of this silly slashing maneuver and I rather they just take away to keep the speed of the previous NG games are known for.

When a modern gamer sees a cutscene they go "oh yay cutscene." However if they see the same cutscene with a QTE they go, "WHAT THE HELL IS THIS CRAP?! A QTE?! DAMN LAZY DEVELOPERS!"

True story.

I hate QTE's with a passion.

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Depends on the game really.

Swift_Boss_A

Would it bother you that the buttons are popping up telling you what to do or would you rather devs make it more subtle by not doing so yet still having the same input/effect?

Wouldn't Bother me per se, but i'd prefer the developers give the player more freedom.

QTE sucks unless it's for something that isn't part of normal gameplay. Like finishing bosses in God of War. I realize I won't get these spectacular finishes with normal gameplay, so QTE is fine. When you QTE crap like the sword slashing in NG3 I get annoyed.

GD1551

Completely agree with you.

I also hate when this QTE can kill you if you are even one little tiny moment late...i love to death Bayonetta, but God, those QTE are among the worsts this Gen.

As long as they don't happen to often they are alright.

I hated when QTE are used like in BF3: they happened way too often and they could just as well be done with the normal action buttons. I.E. press 'space' to move up, uhm ... why can't I just press up ?

It was a fine work around for it's time in Shenmue but these days, nah, not a fan of QTE. :P

I love QTEs in games. I actually think it immerses the gamer even more in the action than if a gamer was in real time. Your mood, emotion, and reflexes are heightened even more during a said scene.

I hate quicktime events with the passion of 1000 burning suns. It's a lazy way for developers to overuse cutscenes while still being able to (barely) argue that their game doesn't take away from gameplay for the sake of cinematics, rather than just being good videogame developers and finding a way to tell the story through the gameplay instead of overloading it with cutscenes.

When a modern gamer sees a cutscene they go "oh yay cutscene." However if they see the same cutscene with a QTE they go, "WHAT THE HELL IS THIS CRAP?! A QTE?! DAMN LAZY DEVELOPERS!"

True story.

Wasdie

besides a few games like uncharted , god of war.. i dont like pressing O and a whole animation happens.. For example.. climbing in CS 1.6... just walk into the ladder...face up and forward and you are climbing and able to jump off whenever and also shoot at the same time.. climbing in say... killzone 2... walk up to a ladder... press O..this animation happens... go up ladder slowly without the ability to shoot... really pisses me off when devs dont give you this freedom.. As i said.. i accept it in a handful of games... but when its in every single title being released..it gets annoyingcampzor

How dare they make the game more engaging and atmospheric...

[QUOTE="campzor"]besides a few games like uncharted , god of war.. i dont like pressing O and a whole animation happens.. For example.. climbing in CS 1.6... just walk into the ladder...face up and forward and you are climbing and able to jump off whenever and also shoot at the same time.. climbing in say... killzone 2... walk up to a ladder... press O..this animation happens... go up ladder slowly without the ability to shoot... really pisses me off when devs dont give you this freedom.. As i said.. i accept it in a handful of games... but when its in every single title being released..it gets annoyingfirefluff3

How dare they make the game more engaging and atmospheric...

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[QUOTE="campzor"]besides a few games like uncharted , god of war.. i dont like pressing O and a whole animation happens.. For example.. climbing in CS 1.6... just walk into the ladder...face up and forward and you are climbing and able to jump off whenever and also shoot at the same time.. climbing in say... killzone 2... walk up to a ladder... press O..this animation happens... go up ladder slowly without the ability to shoot... really pisses me off when devs dont give you this freedom.. As i said.. i accept it in a handful of games... but when its in every single title being released..it gets annoyingcampzor

How dare they make the game more engaging and atmospheric...

I don't "hate" QTE's, I just think they're overdone and some games could do better. Its like a compromise between cinematics and gameplay, but you don't get any sort of choice in the gameplay and you can't focus on whats going in because you have to press X to not die.

It seems like there are better ways around this, and in some cases its just a lazy addition for what could have been a true gameplay segment or a simple cinematic (90% of BF3's QTE's fit this description).

Dephends on if the game was built around set pieces or not. But most games arent and therefore I dislike it most of the time.

It depends. QTE's are perfect for Adventure games were for rule there shouldn't be any real action performed by the player and by playing these "minigames" to get to perform a lot of stuff in an interactive way. The problem is when they stick them to Action or Action Adventure games, because you know these games are all or mostly about the action and they simply don't let you play the damn game properly.

I don't really like QTE's that take away the experience, or just come out with some ridiculous results (namely death) and forces me to watch the entire scene over again.

The first Uncharted and Resident Evil 5 I think were the worst offenders this gen. RE 5 barely used QTEs to a level that RE 4 did, and I think it was maybe about 4 or 5 out of the 20 some cutscenes they give you any QTEs, so when one would pop up, you weren't ready for it. Uncharted Drakes Fortune was also the same way. It almost never had them, but when it did, they just felt lazy, bad, and were stupid cheap I felt.

God of War and some other games do them well I believe, when they don't really replace your button prompts with anything new. For example, if you grab a character and have to rip out it's eyeball it's asking you to press the "grab" button rapidly, that works. It's still the same action, there's no disconnect with the gameplay, but it's performing a bit more cinematic flair to the fight than just "Oh press random button to see the next scene."

I think QTE's are fun and engaging sometimes, but I do wish they tone down on them. They are a crux that some developers rely on, just to perform "awe-inspiring cinematic action sequences." When it really just removes me from the experience and makes me wish I was actually controlling them.

I dont hate them, however I would like for them to beused in moderation, as said the Killzone examples like climbing or picking up ammo are not needed and also that rubbishe sixaxis stuff when using explosives. Heavenly Sword implemented Sixaxis correctly when it had the arrow shooting or cannon ball sections, a real purpose to it.

I hate it because it's a shallow way of maintaining the illusion of interactivity while you're essentially just watching a cutscene.

To me, it's yet another stupid fad that needs to die out sooner rather than later, just like cover systems (at least on PC), bloody screens and simplistic morality systems.

Linear games will be linear.

I don't mind QTE's and I think it was used quiet effectively in Just Cause 2.

I rather just have a cutscene with an Esc (to skip) key and get it over with than push buttons and sit through a QTE. I've seen a few in Crysis 2 and Bulletstorm. The whole concept stinks. But, I'll put up with it.