Do games need to look better than the Gears 2?

Having played Gears 2 on a 37" LCD TV I've come to the conclusion that games do not need to look any better than that, it may not be the epitome of graphical quality but it's up there with the best and you don't NEED more than that.

What you need now is stuff that is doing more than simply being another 3rd/1st person shooter. Stuff that provides interesting story lines, or something different in the game play department.

I also suspect that developers will want to focus more on the physics and AI side of things rather than try and push anything more out the graphics engines they are using.

Just my thoughts based on all those OMG KZ2 > WORLD threads.

Having played Gears 2 on a 37" LCD TV I've come to the conclusion that games do not need to look any better than that, it may not be the epitome of graphical quality but it's up there with the best and you don't NEED more than that.

What you need now is stuff that is doing more than simply being another 3rd/1st person shooter. Stuff that provides interesting story lines, or something different in the game play department.

I also suspect that developers will want to focus more on the physics and AI side of things rather than try and push anything more out the graphics engines they are using.

Just my thoughts based on all those OMG KZ2 > WORLD threads.

yes they do and by a lot cuz when you zoom in textures looks very bad and physics should be much better toSyferonik

Gears looks great on small tv's, when you see it close on anything bigger than a 40" it looks horrid, so yes, they do need to look better imo. Or just make them all on PC lol.

[QUOTE="Syferonik"]yes they do and by a lot cuz when you zoom in textures looks very bad and physics should be much better toJandurin

Gears looks great on small tv's, when you see it close on anything bigger than a 40" it looks horrid, so yes, they do need to look better imo. Or just nakethemallon PC lol.

Frozzik

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Syferonik"]yes they do and by a lot cuz when you zoom in textures looks very bad and physics should be much better tokillerfist

Thats what i'll never get about consolites. You brag about these 40-100" tv's then sit 10 foot away, WTF? why not just get a 30" and sit close?

I play my games on 40" tv. With the PC i have no choice but to sit close, at 1080p the text on games is very small and hard to read if i sit too far. I try to play console at the same distance but they look horrible.

Gears looks great on small tv's, when you see it close on anything bigger than a 40" it looks horrid, so yes, they do need to look better imo. Or just nakethemallon PC lol.

Like a friend of mine that said DMC4 looks like crap. His proof? Sit as close as 1 meter away from a 32" screen:P.killerfist

Thats what i'll never get about consolites. You brag about these 40-100" tv's then sit 10 foot away, WTF? why not just get a 30" and sit close?

I play my games on 40" tv. With the PC i have no choice but to sit close, at 1080p the text on games is very small and hard to read if i sit too far. I try to play console at the same distance but they look horrible.

[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] Stop... zooming... in.... then?Frozzik

Thats what i'll never get about consolites. You brag about these 40-100" tv's then sit 10 foot away, WTF? why not just get a 30" and sit close?

I play my games on 40" tv. With the PC i have no choice but to sit close, at 1080p the text on games is very small and hard to read if i sit too far. I try to play console at the same distance but they look horrible.

[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] Stop... zooming... in.... then?Frozzik

Thats what i'll never get about consolites. You brag about these 40-100" tv's then sit 10 foot away, WTF? why not just get a 30" and sit close?

I play my games on 40" tv. With the PC i have no choice but to sit close, at 1080p the text on games is very small and hard to read if i sit too far. I try to play console at the same distance but they look horrible.

[QUOTE="Frozzik"]

Thats what i'll never get about consolites. You brag about these 40-100" tv's then sit 10 foot away, WTF? why not just get a 30" and sit close?

I play my games on 40" tv. With the PC i have no choice but to sit close, at 1080p the text on games is very small and hard to read if i sit too far. I try to play console at the same distance but they look horrible.

Jandurin

erm no, i'm not even going to explain it to you.

erm no, i'm not even going to explain it to you.

Frozzik

[QUOTE="Frozzik"]

erm no, i'm not even going to explain it to you.

Jandurin

You are right, and if i had a good 22-24" monitor i would use it. As it turns out i have a crap 17" 1280x1024 (square) monitor. My hdtv is a much better choice. The wife will not let me buy another monitor, or a 360, wait a minute, i wear the trousers in my house........BRB...

[QUOTE="Frozzik"]

[QUOTE="killerfist"] lol, I always wondered why people do that. :P Like a friend of mine that said DMC4 looks like crap. His proof? Sit as close as 1 meter away from a 32" screen:P.killerfist

Thats what i'll never get about consolites. You brag about these 40-100" tv's then sit 10 foot away, WTF? why not just get a 30" and sit close?

I play my games on 40" tv. With the PC i have no choice but to sit close, at 1080p the text on games is very small and hard to read if i sit too far. I try to play console at the same distance but they look horrible.

yes they do and by a lot cuz when you zoom in textures looks very bad and physics should be much better toSyferonik

Lulz @ the graphic wh0rez. Go get a PC if textures and graphics matter that much.

I'd rather take a game that performs well and isn't part of Lagfest 09 while also being the most broken multiplayer known to man.

i'd rather have a game with gears level graphics but can feature 200 enemies on screen with life like animation and killer ai than some photo-realistic model of a tree...

Graphics are great and all but I'll take excellent controls, gameplay, story, presentation, voice acting, etc over it. Graphics is a low priority for me. They look great and it's an awesome bonus when you have excellent graphics but only if everything else is excellent too. I feel it should be the first thing sacrificed for the others. I think Gears 2 looks amazing and I don't care if it gets any better than that. Generally speaking, the majority of games being made in this generation are going to be somewhere around this quality. It's not like the game is unplayable if it doesn't have graphics as good as Crysis. That's for all you PC gamers out there...Remember playing Doom, Wolfenstein, and the old style AD&D games like Pool of Radiance or Curse of the Azure Bonds? If not, those are awesome games with awesome gameplay with terrible graphics compared to today's standards but I would still go back and play them to this day.Lance_Kalzas

Why do people always do that? make out like PC gamers care only for graphics? My god, loo kat the first 10 pages of threads in system wars. Most graphics related threads are by console gamers claiming superiority. What are the most anticipated PC games at the moment? Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2, neither heavy on the graphics front.

What are the most anticipated PC games at the moment? Diablo 3

Frozzik

That's for all you PC gamers out there...Remember playing Doom, Wolfenstein, and the old style AD&D games like Pool of Radiance or Curse of the Azure Bonds? If not, those are awesome games with awesome gameplay with terrible graphics compared to today's standards but I would still go back and play them to this day.Lance_Kalzas

and the old style AD&D games like Pool of Radiance or Curse of the Azure Bonds? If not, those are awesome games with awesome gameplay with terrible graphics compared to today's standards but I would still go back and play them to this day.Lance_Kalzas

Because I have seen just as many threads started that claim PC is greater than consoles with graphics being the primary reason why, usually stating Crysis or Witcher as proof. I generally see about one thread a day in SW regarding this. Granted, it probably isn't you but there are those that do it. Personally I think all platforms have their positives and negatives. :)Lance_Kalzas

yes ofc there are threads by pc gamers saying Pc graphics are best but like i said, there are more by console gamers.Your post should not have singled them out. Thats all i meant.

I think the Wii is proof enough that we're past the "need" for graphicsst1ka

Gears 2 looks good?????-hells-

Word.

[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="Frozzik"]

Thats what i'll never get about consolites. You brag about these 40-100" tv's then sit 10 foot away, WTF? why not just get a 30" and sit close?

I play my games on 40" tv. With the PC i have no choice but to sit close, at 1080p the text on games is very small and hard to read if i sit too far. I try to play console at the same distance but they look horrible.

skrat_01

I guess it all depends on what System you're using on what piece of hardware. I agree tho, I could never use my PC on a TV and sit 3 meters back. Not even with something as simple as internet. (I tried with the Ps3 browser). Can't stand it. lol.

As far as console gaming goes, it's more enjoyable when sitting back with medium to large sized TV's. In my experience anyway. And like FrozenLiquid pointed out, you'll still notice you're playing on a bigger screen. So I don't really get what Frozzik's point is.

Because I have seen just as many threads started that claim PC is greater than consoles with graphics being the primary reason why, usually stating Crysis or Witcher as proof. I generally see about one thread a day in SW regarding this. Granted, it probably isn't you but there are those that do it. Personally I think all platforms have their positives and negatives. :)Lance_Kalzas

Fact is even on the PC platform there are loads of successful game popular games that don't prioritise visuals..... Be it Civilisation, The Sims, Counter Strike, or World of Warcraft.

Hell look at StarCraft...... The national sport of South Korea, and no one is phased at all by its sprite based visuals, and it remains extremely popular....

Even a game like Crysis has exellent gameplay and game design, and its the best looking game to date...

Depends on how far away from the tv, and how big your tv is, in my case a 42" tv i sit about 4 meters from it, even 5, then you really can't tell big diffs between...let's say uncharted and gears2? And if they can look better why not?

Gears 2 looks good? Hell yes!

Bascially I think we've reached a grapical zenith where there's not much need to go much further graphically. As someone posted it's gonna be about numbers of AIs and realtime phsics models next.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="killerfist"] I prefer to sit as far away as possible in my room. Like 3 meter (or 10 feet) for my 32" in my case. Any closer gives me a headache. As for your rant about "consolites bragging about big screens", dunno about that. I never did. I just have my preferences. I hate sitting up close. killerfist

I guess it all depends on what System you're using on what piece of hardware. I agree tho, I could never use my PC on a TV and sit 3 meters back. Not even with something as simple as internet. (I tried with the Ps3 browser). Can't stand it. lol.

As far as console gaming goes, it's more enjoyable when sitting back with medium to large sized TV's. In my experience anyway. And like FrozenLiquid pointed out, you'll still notice you're playing on a bigger screen. So I don't really get what Frozzik's point is.

My point is simple. The experience of playing a game on a 100" tv from far away is pretty much the same as playing on a 30" close up.Obviously this depends on just how far or close you are. My point was also that if you do have a large screen tv and do indeed sit close you do notice bad textures alot more on the consoles.Someone mentioned you still realise you are playing on a big tv as coffee tables etc give it a sense of scale, thats the most insane thing i have ever heard. What if i have a massive coffee table? or a tiny one for that matter.

Look its just simple law of sight or whatever, when you get further away from an object it looks smaller, then when you get close it looks bigger. So those who have massive TV's will see far worse graphics as there image is stretched out over a larger area, to stop this they move further away. So, i ask, why not just play on a smaller tv and sit closer.

So, i ask, why not just play on a smaller tv and sit closer.Frozzik