I remember last year I used to hear a lot of people in SW claim that consoles are only meant for gaming and movie fans are a completely different audience. Do people still believe that? I obviously, don't. I think gaming consoles stopped being about just games as they got more and more expensive and multimedia electronics became more common.
Do people still believe that consoles don't affect format wars??
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I always thought that consoles matters. I know people how didnt own a DVD player because they owned a PS2 and a 360. IMO, the PS2 made DVD industry what it is now.Vectah_SigmaDVD was well on its way to taking over VHS. It was out for years before the PS3 and was already dropping well below 200 bucks by then, and below 100 within a year or so of the PS2 being released. The PS3 basically debuted along with the format, and is one of the cheapest players available. Also, DVD had improvements everyone could take advantage of....bluray only benefits those with HDTV's and/or 7.1 loseless audio supporting receivers.
[QUOTE="Vectah_Sigma"]I always thought that consoles matters. I know people how didnt own a DVD player because they owned a PS2 and a 360. IMO, the PS2 made DVD industry what it is now.Steppy_76DVD was well on its way to taking over VHS. It was out for years before the PS3 and was already dropping well below 200 bucks by then, and below 100 within a year or so of the PS2 being released. The PS3 basically debuted along with the format, and is one of the cheapest players available. Also, DVD had improvements everyone could take advantage of....bluray only benefits those with HDTV's and/or 7.1 loseless audio supporting receivers.
DVD was not well on its way. It didnt outrent VHS until 2 or 3 years after the PS2 launched. The advantages over VHS was slight better visual quality and less wear and tear on movie when watching as well as no rewind. DVDs price was just one of the problems. Getting people interesting in changing their collection was the hardest part and PS2 made that painless. It was many peoples first DVD player or at least exposure to a DVD player. They became familiar with it and as PS2 owners and new adopters bought DVDs it became widlely sold and the price for DVDs and players dropped. Thats when it really took over.
People also dont realize that UNLIKE last time, this time around you dont have to rebuy all of your collection on blu ray or spend money on an expensive combo machine. Instead people can just invest in a good blu ray player and their DVD collection gets a nice upgrade as well and works with their new equipment. Then they can just buy their new movie wants on blu ray like I do.
HDTVs are the future and most will have one as SDTV is pretty much phasing out. When they finally spend the money they will want to show it off and thats where blu ray comes in.
[QUOTE="Vectah_Sigma"]I always thought that consoles matters. I know people how didnt own a DVD player because they owned a PS2 and a 360. IMO, the PS2 made DVD industry what it is now.Steppy_76DVD was well on its way to taking over VHS. It was out for years before the PS3 and was already dropping well below 200 bucks by then, and below 100 within a year or so of the PS2 being released. The PS3 basically debuted along with the format, and is one of the cheapest players available. Also, DVD had improvements everyone could take advantage of....bluray only benefits those with HDTV's and/or 7.1 loseless audio supporting receivers.
There was no PS3 mentioned in his statement.
DVD was well on its way to taking over VHS. It was out for years before the PS3 and was already dropping well below 200 bucks by then, and below 100 within a year or so of the PS2 being released. The PS3 basically debuted along with the format, and is one of the cheapest players available. Also, DVD had improvements everyone could take advantage of....bluray only benefits those with HDTV's and/or 7.1 loseless audio supporting receivers.[QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="Vectah_Sigma"]I always thought that consoles matters. I know people how didnt own a DVD player because they owned a PS2 and a 360. IMO, the PS2 made DVD industry what it is now.Javy03
DVD was not well on its way. It didnt outrent VHS until 2 or 3 years after the PS2 launched. The advantages over VHS was slight better visual quality and less wear and tear on movie when watching as well as no rewind. DVDs price was just one of the problems. Getting people interesting in changing their collection was the hardest part and PS2 made that painless. It was many peoples first DVD player or at least exposure to a DVD player. They became familiar with it and as PS2 owners and new adopters bought DVDs it became widlely sold and the price for DVDs and players dropped. Thats when it really took over.
People also dont realize that UNLIKE last time, this time around you dont have to rebuy all of your collection on blu ray or spend money on an expensive combo machine. Instead people can just invest in a good blu ray player and their DVD collection gets a nice upgrade as well and works with their new equipment. Then they can just buy their new movie wants on blu ray like I do.
HDTVs are the future and most will have one as SDTV is pretty much phasing out. When they finally spend the money they will want to show it off and thats where blu ray comes in.
I just dont see why people hate Blu-Ray, Can someone plez answer this for me!
[QUOTE="Javy03"]DVD was well on its way to taking over VHS. It was out for years before the PS3 and was already dropping well below 200 bucks by then, and below 100 within a year or so of the PS2 being released. The PS3 basically debuted along with the format, and is one of the cheapest players available. Also, DVD had improvements everyone could take advantage of....bluray only benefits those with HDTV's and/or 7.1 loseless audio supporting receivers.[QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="Vectah_Sigma"]I always thought that consoles matters. I know people how didnt own a DVD player because they owned a PS2 and a 360. IMO, the PS2 made DVD industry what it is now.CubanBlunt
DVD was not well on its way. It didnt outrent VHS until 2 or 3 years after the PS2 launched. The advantages over VHS was slight better visual quality and less wear and tear on movie when watching as well as no rewind. DVDs price was just one of the problems. Getting people interesting in changing their collection was the hardest part and PS2 made that painless. It was many peoples first DVD player or at least exposure to a DVD player. They became familiar with it and as PS2 owners and new adopters bought DVDs it became widlely sold and the price for DVDs and players dropped. Thats when it really took over.
How do you figure they weren't well one there way? It was set as the defacto standard that everybody could take advantage of. Of course it didn't overtake VHS overnight. had the PS2 not come along things would have progressed pretty much the same as DVD players prices were dropping like bricks. It wasn't the PS2 it was the 50 dollar chinese DVD players that knocked it out of the park. Also, DVD was on an upward slope the whole time while VHS was on a downward slope. DVD is not dying as bluray grows like VHS was, DVD is a much harder guy to knockout.
People also dont realize that UNLIKE last time, this time around you dont have to rebuy all of your collection on blu ray or spend money on an expensive combo machine. Instead people can just invest in a good blu ray player and their DVD collection gets a nice upgrade as well and works with their new equipment. Then they can just buy their new movie wants on blu ray like I do. 70% of the market can't use the advantages of bluray over DVD. It is even HARDER to convince them to not only buy a player they don't need, but to spend twice the money on each movie they buy. A dvd was typically 5 bucks more than the tape, where blurays are typically 10-15 bucks more. DVD also didn't have to fight digital distribution as it became a viable means of delivery.
HDTVs are the future and most will have one as SDTV is pretty much phasing out. When they finally spend the money they will want to show it off and thats where blu ray comes in.
You're talking a pretty far distance in the future, and bandwidth is going to increase and make DD even more viable as time goes on. Bluray won the optical disc battle, but the overall war is still far from decided.
I just dont see why people hate Blu-Ray, Can someone plez answer this for me!
I don't hate bluray, I'm just stating it has a far bigger hill to climb than DVD did.
You got it backwards. We all know consoles affect formats, what I, and many other people, say is that formats don't affect the games.locopatho
formats obviously do affect games...cartridges, cds, dvds, and blu ray all have a different affect on gaming.
[QUOTE="locopatho"]You got it backwards. We all know consoles affect formats, what I, and many other people, say is that formats don't affect the games.final_fortress
formats obviously do affect games...cartridges, cds, dvds, and blu ray all have a different affect on gaming.
Well they can but they don't automatically make everything better. Is what I meant.
[QUOTE="final_fortress"][QUOTE="locopatho"]You got it backwards. We all know consoles affect formats, what I, and many other people, say is that formats don't affect the games.locopatho
formats obviously do affect games...cartridges, cds, dvds, and blu ray all have a different affect on gaming.
Well they can but they don't automatically make everything better. Is what I meant.
oh ok thanks for clearing that up yeah they dont necessarily make games better or worse but theres no denying that it does affect games in general
I just dont see why people hate Blu-Ray, Can someone plez answer this for me!
Javy03
easy. cause Dvd hasn't been here long enough, people are upset that the massive repurchasing of their movie from vhs to dvd is are going to be outdated and will require repurchasing again in blu-ray. Vhs has lasted about 20 some years while dvds have only been out for 10 something.
2. the players and blu-ray discs are more expensive. players by a couple hundred. disc by 10 to 15 per disc.
3. blu-rays advantages are minimal compared to last gens improvement. last gen improvemnt were dvd's had smaller size. there was no rewind there was no static. getting to a scene was easier. also manufacture cost were lower to make a dvd than vhs. along with higher capacity higher picture quality and higher sound quality. this gen improvemnts are higher capacity higher picture quality and higher sound quality. the crux of the problem is that you have to have a HDtv to tell the difference and to tell sound difference you have to have a 7.1 sound system. upscaling dvd players also are minimalizing the difference between the two format is hampering them.
will this stop blu-ray from winning later in life. nah probably not. We have to just wait till the HDtv penetration increases and the blu-ray players to reach the point where they are 100 bucks and the blu-rays are roughly the same as dvds.
If I see another "Now with BluRay, you can enjoy even MORE (useless) bonus content, and connect automatically online for additional (useless) content!" advert at the start of my (rented) DVD movie, I'm gonna puke. They seriously need a better pitch than the one they've got going.
I'll pick up a BR played exactly when I (and probably a ton of people) got my first DVD player...when I can get a decent one for (max) $100. At least I already had a SDTV that could take advantage of it! The scary part is, by the time that happens, I might already be downloading all my movies :? For me (and practically everyone I know, save one or two), the PS2 had no affect on my purchase of DVD, since DVD was clearly a step up from VHS. So in that sense, no, I don't think that consoles drive format wars/successes, but are merely good passengers to split the gas with.
I don't hate, but I don't see what the fuss is all about. Oh, except for the anti-scratch, which is sweet and should somehow be "patched" onto DVDs.
[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"][QUOTE="Javy03"]DVD was well on its way to taking over VHS. It was out for years before the PS3 and was already dropping well below 200 bucks by then, and below 100 within a year or so of the PS2 being released. The PS3 basically debuted along with the format, and is one of the cheapest players available. Also, DVD had improvements everyone could take advantage of....bluray only benefits those with HDTV's and/or 7.1 loseless audio supporting receivers.I just wanted to put my 2 cents in
[QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="Vectah_Sigma"]I always thought that consoles matters. I know people how didnt own a DVD player because they owned a PS2 and a 360. IMO, the PS2 made DVD industry what it is now.Steppy_76
DVD was not well on its way. It didnt outrent VHS until 2 or 3 years after the PS2 launched. The advantages over VHS was slight better visual quality and less wear and tear on movie when watching as well as no rewind. DVDs price was just one of the problems. Getting people interesting in changing their collection was the hardest part and PS2 made that painless. It was many peoples first DVD player or at least exposure to a DVD player. They became familiar with it and as PS2 owners and new adopters bought DVDs it became widlely sold and the price for DVDs and players dropped. Thats when it really took over.
How do you figure they weren't well one there way? It was set as the defacto standard that everybody could take advantage of. Of course it didn't overtake VHS overnight. had the PS2 not come along things would have progressed pretty much the same as DVD players prices were dropping like bricks. It wasn't the PS2 it was the 50 dollar chinese DVD players that knocked it out of the park. Also, DVD was on an upward slope the whole time while VHS was on a downward slope. DVD is not dying as bluray grows like VHS was, DVD is a much harder guy to knockout.
Far as dvd eventually overtaking vhs yes it would have happened with or without the ps2 because the dvd didn't have any other competition, but the ps2 made it a much faster process. When the ps2 was first released the cheapest dvd player found in stores was around 400 bucks and the average movie was around 35-40 bucks. You say there were 50 dollar chinese dvd players where? You couldn't even find a dvd player under 200 until 2003 two years after the ps2 dropped and by then the dvd was well over 50-60% penetration rate.
People also dont realize that UNLIKE last time, this time around you dont have to rebuy all of your collection on blu ray or spend money on an expensive combo machine. Instead people can just invest in a good blu ray player and their DVD collection gets a nice upgrade as well and works with their new equipment. Then they can just buy their new movie wants on blu ray like I do. 70% of the market can't use the advantages of bluray over DVD. It is even HARDER to convince them to not only buy a player they don't need, but to spend twice the money on each movie they buy. A dvd was typically 5 bucks more than the tape, where blurays are typically 10-15 bucks more. DVD also didn't have to fight digital distribution as it became a viable means of delivery.
You're almost right its actually 65% of the market can't use the benefits of blu-ray seeing that the HDtv penetration rate is at 35% actually I wouldn't be surprised if that number hasn't grown to 40% by now in the US. Over 90% of brand new purchased television sets today are high def it would be ignorant to think that most homes won't have high def tvs by 2010. In other parts of the world its around 20% in Japan its almost around 60%. I already stated the DVDs were roughly around the same price as Blu-ray movies are now actually even more. Blu-ray movies were launched at an average price of 30 bucks 10 dollars more than a dvd. In 2001 DVDs were 15 to 20 buck more than a vhs. The price of the movies are irrelevant most people who bought a player whether it was ps2, ps3 or there standalones could afford the extra cost for the movies. The higher costs for the movies aren't a major factor with rental srores like Blockbuster, Netflix, and Hollywood Video.
HDTVs are the future and most will have one as SDTV is pretty much phasing out. When they finally spend the money they will want to show it off and thats where blu ray comes in.
You're talking a pretty far distance in the future, and bandwidth is going to increase and make DD even more viable as time goes on. Bluray won the optical disc battle, but the overall war is still far from decided.
DVDs are slowly phasing out especially when most manufactures can hardly make a profit on the technology anymore the players don't sell especially when most people already have 1-3 of them in their homes. So manufactures are concentrating on the sales of high def players. HDtvs aren't the future but the present. The penetration of HDtvs is increasing at an exponential rate. One only needs to walk into a retail store and see that 95% of the tvs offered are high def. Most people are concerned that next year when analog signal will no longer be broadcast that they'll need to upgrade their televisions which isn't true of course one could buy a digital conversion box or if one already has a tv provider like cable or satellite those people won't be affected, but you'd be suprised by how many people don't know this and how many calls I get about this since I work for Comcast.
I just dont see why people hate Blu-Ray, Can someone plez answer this for me!
Most people don't hate blu-ray the technology its self. For those who show feelings of dislike for blu-ray would love to have it, if anything its either the price or inability to afford it that they dislike. Another group of people who dislike blu-ray are those who backed hd-dvd. As blu-ray players, movies, hdtvs come down in price blu-ray will and is increasing in popularity. The only thing threatening blu-ray is digital distribution which to me is a long ways off from becoming if at all the standard. A T1 connection is the only connection I could think of for anyone interested in downloading sd def movies not to mention high def ones. The cheapest T1 connection is offered at over 700 bucks a month I should know cause its my company Comcast that offers it. If you ask most people they aren't comfortable having and keeping their entire collection of movies, music and games on a harddrive due to the unreliablity of them. I think blu-ray becoming the standard is a safe bet.
I don't hate bluray, I'm just stating it has a far bigger hill to climb than DVD did.You're right it is a higher hill to climb only because the dvd didn't have any next gen competition while blu-ray did and that blu-ray success is linked with the success of hdtvs. Yeah its a high hill but a hill that will be climbed indead.
I see no real proof that this could be said as a hard fact. I don't believe the PS2 assisted the change over to DVD, that was happening ever since CD's were adopted.
I do however believe the PS3 helped get Blu-ray up and running, maybe the lack of decent PS3 games for the first year helped too. People had to justify spending $600, so they bought movies, whilst 360 owners were too busy playing games to even care there was a HD DVD add-on.
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