Do you believe dev. can produce a game with real life gfx on high end PCs

Of course if the time and the money were infinite, do you think a game can be created with real life gfx on the latest avaliable high end super GPUs/CPUs/RAM ?

Just curious

Edit: I just wanna reconfirm that, can we do it on the avaliable hardware?

No

Yes, but they won't! because it would lose them alot of money, and would take ages!

Look at modded GTA IV, Crysis, rFactor, ect.

That's about as good as it gets. (not counting tech demos like Samaritan)

edit: here's a comparison between Codemaster's F1 and real-life footage:

http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/f1-2010-vs-real-life

Hell yeah. It's just not viable.

Look at modded GTA IV, Crysis, rFactor, ect.

That's about as good as it gets. (not counting tech demos like Samaritan)

nameless12345

Look at modded GTA IV, Crysis, rFactor, ect.

That's about as good as it gets. (not counting tech demos like Samaritan)

nameless12345

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Look at modded GTA IV, Crysis, rFactor, ect.

That's about as good as it gets. (not counting tech demos like Samaritan)

faizan_faizan

With today's hardware and limited budgets, I doubt it.

Also, many devs like to put "cinematic" lighting in there games instead of realistic lighting. (see Crysis 1 >> C2, C3)

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Look at modded GTA IV, Crysis, rFactor, ect.

That's about as good as it gets. (not counting tech demos like Samaritan)

omho88

Well, Arma 3 is a game targeting high-end PCs and realism and it looks like this:

Looks good undoubtly but it's still not quite there yet. (namely that you could mistake it for reality, except during night time)

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Look at modded GTA IV, Crysis, rFactor, ect.

That's about as good as it gets. (not counting tech demos like Samaritan)

nameless12345

With today's hardware and limited budgets, I doubt it.

Also, many devs like to put "cinematic" lighting in there games instead of realistic lighting. (see Crysis 1 >> C2, C3)

A-10 Warthog game model vs real model:

Yeah, reality still wins.

Maybe when ray-tracing becomes viable we'll see higher degree of realism but that will still take years. (next next-gen or even longer)

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[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"] It can get better than that.faizan_faizan

With today's hardware and limited budgets, I doubt it.

Also, many devs like to put "cinematic" lighting in there games instead of realistic lighting. (see Crysis 1 >> C2, C3)

Realistic graphics I believe.

Yes, but they won't! because it would lose them alot of money, and would take ages!

ramonnl

A-10 Warthog game model vs real model:

 

 

 

 

Yeah, reality still wins.

Maybe when ray-tracing becomes viable we'll see higher degree of realism but that will still take years. (next next-gen or even longer)

nameless12345

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[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"] It can get better than that.faizan_faizan

With today's hardware and limited budgets, I doubt it.

Also, many devs like to put "cinematic" lighting in there games instead of realistic lighting. (see Crysis 1 >> C2, C3)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXZ33YoKu9w

This is the closest we have gotten so far, Ray tracing is the next generation of graphics computeing but its far from ready. I would say the power of 3-4 times what a Titan could produce would be suitable for realtime games. Possibly in 2016-7ish range id say. Depends on whether or not devs could get past the whole memory bandwith thing when it comes to ray tracing.

Of course if the time and the money were infinite, do you think a game can be created with real life gfx on the latest avaliable high end super GPUs/CPUs/RAM ?

Just curious

Edit: I just wanna reconfirm that, can we do it on the avaliable hardware?

omho88

No, even the most powerful PC couldn't render something like Avatar in real-time. And even that isn't a hundred percent there yet.

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A-10 Warthog game model vs real model:

 

 

 

 

Yeah, reality still wins.

Maybe when ray-tracing becomes viable we'll see higher degree of realism but that will still take years. (next next-gen or even longer)

omho88

Well, that's about as good as it gets regarding flight sims. (maybe only modded Flight Simulator X and Aerofly FS are better)

I highly doubt PS4 will be able to do full real-time ray-tracing.

It's more next next-gen stuff.

Nope, has CGI beaten reality yet even?soulitane

It comes close but only if it doesn't move:

[QUOTE="soulitane"]Nope, has CGI beaten reality yet even?nameless12345

It comes close but only if it doesn't move:

Some photo mode GT5 screens:

Maybe GT7 will finally look like that during gameplay? ;)

Meanwhile on PC: (Project Cars)

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[QUOTE="soulitane"]Nope, has CGI beaten reality yet even?omho88

It comes close but only if it doesn't move:

Google "CGI faces".

With insane funding, the highest end hardware and no worries of seeing a return on investment, you would get such an amazing looking game that is so far beyond anything we have seen that sure, most people would think it looks like reality.  

Would it truly look like real life?  No, not at all.  Real world details might as well be infinite.  Even the all time greatest artists, the ones who can interpret real world properties better than most, still realized that the best you can do is achieve a strong impression.

You could have the best hardware, the best development software, top of the line 3d scanners, HDR info for every scene you create and even the best digital artists from houses like Weta, ILM, Dreamworks, Pixar, etc... and you still wouldn't be achieving true life like graphics.

Even so, I wish some company out there would try.  I've had this conversation with friends before.  If I had Bill Gates kind of money this is one of the things I would do.

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[QUOTE="soulitane"]Nope, has CGI beaten reality yet even?omho88

It comes close but only if it doesn't move:

I believe its from the image metrics tests a few years back.  I think the demo was called "Emily" not sure though.

Project Cars comes close to ray-traced stuff on some screens imo:

Project Cars comes close to ray-traced stuff on some screens imo:

 

nameless12345

the 2nd one get me confused for a second :D .

no, even with supercomputers movie companies still still make animated features that still look very animatedlamprey263

[QUOTE="lamprey263"]no, even with supercomputers movie companies still still make animated features that still look very animatedomho88

Of course if the time and the money were infinite, do you think a game can be created with real life gfx on the latest avaliable high end super GPUs/CPUs/RAM ?

Just curious

Edit: I just wanna reconfirm that, can we do it on the avaliable hardware?

omho88

For environments and objects YES.  People.. NO. Animals... maybe.

[QUOTE="omho88"][QUOTE="lamprey263"]no, even with supercomputers movie companies still still make animated features that still look very animatedlamprey263

Well it does fool a lot of people, but thats not to say its realistic at all.  

I agree, we have a long ways to go before pre-rendered CGI is even close to life-like.  Even top studios like Weta and ILM will admit that they arent even close.  As far as real time rendering for games, I doubt even our children will see truly realistic visuals by the end of their life time.

Real life gfx will never happen. Photo realistic is as far as it will get.

Sure but not financially viable under any kind of market that exists today.  Personally I feel like graphics are "good enough" for right now.

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[QUOTE="soulitane"]Nope, has CGI beaten reality yet even?omho88

It comes close but only if it doesn't move:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLiX5d3rC6o

No, the hardware isn't powerful enough yet. But as Tim Sweeney from Epic suggested, I'd say in about 10 years high-end PCs could produce in-game graphics which are practically there, close enough.

Look at modded GTA IV, Crysis, rFactor, ect.

That's about as good as it gets. (not counting tech demos like Samaritan)

edit: here's a comparison between Codemaster's F1 and real-life footage:

http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/f1-2010-vs-real-life

nameless12345

Not even close, because a lot of behind the scenes processes influence the visuals that we deem realistic. Try emulate realistic eye movement on characters. The level of reflection and the size changes of the iris and such. For me that wouldn't matter all that much because I never look at peoples eyes, but for 'normal' people correctly represented eyes would make a lot of difference that you wouldn't realise till you saw it.
To compute animations properly impacted by environment and the NPC's environmental awareness, would require a lot more power than we use now. Or how clothes fold and how people readjust their clothing every couple minutes... How rain interacts with stains. Man once you start making a list of things we're not yet doing that are essential to creating world that people could confuse with the real world, you get a long list very fast.
In todays games we still have enemies looking like one another, let alone realistic clothing and realistic out of focus/in focus visuals determined by your eyes and such.

Hollywood studios can't produce photorealistic CG with hundreds of mlns of dollars. So no, they sure as hell couldn't do it in real-time today, no matter what kind of PC you would get.

this isn't even close .. lol ..... isn't ray tracing a technique that Mark Cerny talked abt .... something related to the PS4's GPU hidden ability that will be utilized in the future ?omho88

I think that was thrown around for the reflections in KZ SF. At the current level of Ray Tracing it won't be even nearly possible to do a game like that on PS4

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It comes close but only if it doesn't move:

tubbyc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLiX5d3rC6o

I want to see a 1080p version, I think it would be pretty easy to spot at that resolution. 

Also as someone in the comments posted, it's just the face and while it's really well done, stuff like the hair is what sells the image. If the whole head was CG and looked like that it would be pretty mind blowing

For mechanical objects I'd say yes, at least as far as surface looks (not material behavior), but not even close for organic material.

What do you mean by "real life" graphics?