Do you consider the Wii to be in competition with the HD twins?

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#51 savebattery
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[QUOTE="savebattery"]You can't tell me Nintendo is trying to capture the same audience with Wii Play and Nintendogs that they are with Sin and Punishment and Fire Emblem.foxhound_fox

Who says they aren't? The majority of the focus of the Wii is on the new market they've opened up... and only 4 years after its release are they actually putting some effort into producing titles for core gamers.

That's a ridiculous statement. Nintendo has been targeting the entire audience from the beginning. Fire Emblem and Super Paper Mario came out in early 2007. Battalion Wars and Metroid Prime 3 in late '07. Twlight Princess and Excite Truck at launch. Captain Rainbow and Disaster in 2008. Brawl and Wario Land not long after. Further, Nintendo has allowed far more graphic and ambitious content on Wii than it has with any other console in the past. Manhunt 2, Madworld, No More Heroes, Muramasa, House of the Dead... Just because Nintendo hasn't SUCCEEDED in capturing a large portion of the core market until recently doesn't mean they weren't TRYING. In other words, COMPETING. You will never, ever find a gamer more "hardcore" than I. I am not some mindless Nintendo fanboy, either. And I have never been without something to play on my Wii.
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#52 lundy86_4
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Very much so... Yes.

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#53 dontshackzmii
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saying no is just a cop out. Fan boys just cant handel being in second place . If your not first your last . Just because its a bit different does not mean its not part of the market .

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#54 Ross_the_Boss6
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You're right, it's not a competition. The Wii is spanking the HD Twins. I think they're enjoying fighting for second place though.

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#55 HavocV3
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why wouldn't it be?

I have a feeling this thread would be getting some more uses if 'No' was leading for votes.

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#56 Mario1331
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Business wise, no. Its not in competition with the PS3 and 360.

Games wise, ofcourse, its a game console. It plays games.

The wii is a great example of why we shouldn't care about sales, and why we should compare games, not exclusives.

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lol wth are you talking about?

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#57 foxhound_fox
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Nintendo has been targeting the entire audience from the beginning. Fire Emblem and Super Paper Mario came out in early 2007. Battalion Wars and Metroid Prime 3 in late '07. Twlight Princess and Excite Truck at launch. Captain Rainbow and Disaster in 2008. Brawl and Wario Land not long after.

Further, Nintendo has allowed far more graphic and ambitious content on Wii than it has with any other console in the past. Manhunt 2, Madworld, No More Heroes, Muramasa, House of the Dead...

Just because Nintendo hasn't SUCCEEDED in capturing a large portion of the core market until recently doesn't mean they weren't TRYING. In other words, COMPETING. You will never, ever find a gamer more "hardcore" than I. I am not some mindless Nintendo fanboy, either. And I have never been without something to play on my Wii.savebattery


Most of those games you mentioned were designed to help open them up to the casual audience. Fire Emblem being the only one that didn't sacrifice difficulty for accessibility. I loved Excite Truck, but it was an incredibly easy game to get into, and really didn't offer much content.

Copious amounts of blood is not "mature". Graphic content for the sake of graphic content does not make a good game. And Manhunt 2 was censored for the Wii because it would receive an AO rating had it not been.

Great. That's you, I however have different tastes than you, and they involve more than just a bunch of previous gen ports and quirky niche titles. Which is why 360 developers, both retail and XBLA are receiving my money, and I haven't bought a second Wii.

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#58 tainted_lynx
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business wise?

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#59 XxXHottZeldaXxX
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Umm the Wii is successful because and only because it has fun games just like any other successful console in the past. It's not like the casual audience is blinded by a 'gimmick'...Wii Sports, Wii Fit, NSMBW, Mario Kart Wii all work and are fun...You'll see what I'm talking about when Kinect and Move fall face first into fail.

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#60 Twin-Blade
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Obvious answer is yes. Just look at the sales. If we are talking about games, then.. Still yes. I haven't played an RPG as addictive as Monster Hunter Tri in a long while; the only games that I can see matching it in game-time played are Oblivion & Halo 3 (WoW trumps all three by a few hundred DAYS worth of game time for me).

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#61 Mario1331
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[QUOTE="savebattery"]Nintendo has been targeting the entire audience from the beginning. Fire Emblem and Super Paper Mario came out in early 2007. Battalion Wars and Metroid Prime 3 in late '07. Twlight Princess and Excite Truck at launch. Captain Rainbow and Disaster in 2008. Brawl and Wario Land not long after.

Further, Nintendo has allowed far more graphic and ambitious content on Wii than it has with any other console in the past. Manhunt 2, Madworld, No More Heroes, Muramasa, House of the Dead...

Just because Nintendo hasn't SUCCEEDED in capturing a large portion of the core market until recently doesn't mean they weren't TRYING. In other words, COMPETING. You will never, ever find a gamer more "hardcore" than I. I am not some mindless Nintendo fanboy, either. And I have never been without something to play on my Wii.foxhound_fox



Most of those games you mentioned were designed to help open them up to the casual audience. Fire Emblem being the only one that didn't sacrifice difficulty for accessibility. I loved Excite Truck, but it was an incredibly easy game to get into, and really didn't offer much content.

Copious amounts of blood is not "mature". Graphic content for the sake of graphic content does not make a good game. And Manhunt 2 was censored for the Wii because it would receive an AO rating had it not been.

Great. That's you, I however have different tastes than you, and they involve more than just a bunch of previous gen ports and quirky niche titles. Which is why 360 developers, both retail and XBLA are receiving my money, and I haven't bought a second Wii.

well you cant put your interest in whats really going on in the industry.(thats a really ongoing theme here)

the wii is competing even if its not as much as the hd twins are doing.

second the hardcore fanbase is babies so i wouldnt support them either if i was nintendo after they cried and went to the ps2 last gen. Nintendo is competing just not in every other way the other two are. they are being different and succeeding at it

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#62 LegatoSkyheart
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With Motion Controls coming to the 360 and PS3....yes the Wii is in competition.

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#63 tainted_lynx
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="savebattery"]Nintendo has been targeting the entire audience from the beginning. Fire Emblem and Super Paper Mario came out in early 2007. Battalion Wars and Metroid Prime 3 in late '07. Twlight Princess and Excite Truck at launch. Captain Rainbow and Disaster in 2008. Brawl and Wario Land not long after.

Further, Nintendo has allowed far more graphic and ambitious content on Wii than it has with any other console in the past. Manhunt 2, Madworld, No More Heroes, Muramasa, House of the Dead...

Just because Nintendo hasn't SUCCEEDED in capturing a large portion of the core market until recently doesn't mean they weren't TRYING. In other words, COMPETING. You will never, ever find a gamer more "hardcore" than I. I am not some mindless Nintendo fanboy, either. And I have never been without something to play on my Wii.Mario1331



Most of those games you mentioned were designed to help open them up to the casual audience. Fire Emblem being the only one that didn't sacrifice difficulty for accessibility. I loved Excite Truck, but it was an incredibly easy game to get into, and really didn't offer much content.

Copious amounts of blood is not "mature". Graphic content for the sake of graphic content does not make a good game. And Manhunt 2 was censored for the Wii because it would receive an AO rating had it not been.

Great. That's you, I however have different tastes than you, and they involve more than just a bunch of previous gen ports and quirky niche titles. Which is why 360 developers, both retail and XBLA are receiving my money, and I haven't bought a second Wii.

well you cant put your interest in whats really going on in the industry.(thats a really ongoing theme here)

the wii is competing even if its not as much as the hd twins are doing.

second the hardcore fanbase is babies so i wouldnt support them either if i was nintendo after they cried and went to the ps2 last gen. Nintendo is competing just not in every other way the other two are. they are being different and succeeding at it

Ah, 'hardcore' is just a silly marketing term, it has no real value and if it did.. the Wii wouldn't be beating the competition. The reason the Wii is so successful is that it crosses the age barriers.

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#64 Dibdibdobdobo
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I see it like this. I have a 360 and a Wii. if 2 games come out which i wanna play then which one do i choose ?! Theyre competing for my cash and nothing more.
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#65 smchacko
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To the companies for sure its competition

but to the players, the HD twins offer a very different experience than the Wii

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#66 Elian2530
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It's in a league of it's own.SaltyMeatballs
This. If it was in competition with the "HD Twins" it has already won.
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#67 Deathtransit
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I consider the Wii tobe outdated tech with a gimmicky controller, aimed at casuals and children. So no, not in the same league.
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#68 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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Yes they are, and they've so thoroughly trumped the competition, it's not even funny.
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#69 Deathtransit
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I am tempted to buy the Wii for the same reason that the majority of Wii owners did... Wii fit.
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#70 Half-Way
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lol if you like to call it competition, then i guess you could say the wii is competing against the HD twins

but i wouldnt call it that, the wii has allready won

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#71 lucky_star
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In the beginning of this gen i didnt think it was. But now, i feel like it is competing. Sure the hardware is no where near as good and the games are simple.
The 360 and ps3 might be cooler and "better" for some but in the end of the day, the 3 companies are in the same market after gamers, after the same money.

I own a ps3 and a Wii, sold my 360 becausenothing about it isappealing to me.

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#72 SakusEnvoy
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[Nintendo on competition:] "In the end, all consumers have the same amount of time. We eat, we sleep, some of us work, some of us go to school and everything else is entertainment. In that framework, Nintendo competes with mainstream entertainment, new media and [even] other forms of entertainment like listening to music."

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#73 chocolate1325
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Well since both Sony and Microsoft are using motion controls yes.

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#74 ManicAce
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Before the motion controls coming to 360/PS3 I would had said not really. Now it seems MS and Sony are going directly after the Wii audience.
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#75 Demonjoe93
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I consider the Wii tobe outdated tech with a gimmicky controller, aimed at casuals and children. So no, not in the same league. Deathtransit

Well those two other companies with that current tech you love so much are copying that gimmicky controller aimed at casuals and children. The Wii is destroying the other two in sales. Just because itdoesn't use the same technology doesn't mean it's not in the same market. Sony and Microsoft are just gonna have toget used to fighting for 2nd place for now.

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#76 SecretPolice
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A little but it feels like it's more in competition with PS2 & handhelds. :P

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#77 insomnia37
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I don't get it. Why wouldn't theWii be considered a console. It sells more than both HD consoles combined. It sells the most games, and it is played more than any other console.

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"and it is played more than any other console" That's funny because the comments that I hear often about people's wii is that it is collecting dust. LOL
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#78 vguy555
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Yes, the Wii is definitely in competition

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#79 Half-Way
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Nintendo on competition In the end, all consumers have the same amount of time. We eat, we sleep, some of us work, some of us go to school and everything else is entertainment. In that framework, Nintendo competes with mainstream entertainment, new media and even other forms of entertainment like listening to music.

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see? thats what i call an answer. Now imagine what sony would have said.

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#80 brakey101
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Yes. the HD twinsare following behind because we came up with motion sensor now 360 and ps3 have it

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#81 Half-Way
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[QUOTE="nintenjoe3"]

I don't get it. Why wouldn't theWii be considered a console. It sells more than both HD consoles combined. It sells the most games, and it is played more than any other console.

insomnia37

"and it is played more than any other console" That's funny because the comments that I hear often about people's wii is that it is collecting dust. LOL

ya, i own all consoles and i hate the wii lolololoolo, i dont play it , its dusty"!!"

8)

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#82 badtaker
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NIntendo has already won the competition. :P BTW why those 2 idiots are copying Nintendo (Motion controls)
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#83 legol1
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i dont think a soccer mom who bought a wii for exercise and mario games is the kind of gamer, multiplat mature kind of game dev, target .
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#84 farnham
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obviously they are competing

if the wii wasnt competing with the 360 or the ps3 one of those consoles would have reached ps2 numbers (relatively to the release date) now

but thats not the case

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#85 farnham
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i dont think a soccer mom who bought a wii for exercise and mario games is the kind of gamer, multiplat mature kind of game dev, target .legol1
yeah but the wii is not exclusive for soccer moms but also a viable option for so called hardcore gamers.