Nintendo's marketcap (market value) is actually higher than the entire Sony Company. All of their divisions. The entire company. All of this and Nintendo is a gaming only company. So a gaming only company in this case is worth more than a company that has multiple divisions. Can you imagine how much bigger Nintendo is than Sony's gaming division. Ps. Almost all of this happened this generation as Nintendo has become much more powerful with Wii and DS sales, and Sony has become much weaker with PS3 and PSP.
yeah but i bought a ps3 because wii couldnt satisfy me anymore with lack of (quality)games during the last year, i dont care bout sales or market value , when a console stops being (so much) fun for me it's time to get another one
"Nintendo's marketcap (market value) is actually higher than the entire Sony Company" Evidence please? I know Sony is suffering and Nintendo is prosperous, but all I am reading is a bunch of stuff from an absolute nobody here on System Wars (Mr. Journeyman). It means absolutely nothing if you can't back up what you are saying. Oh wait I get it, your trying to be funny...right!?
[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"][QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"]I'll just say this: Nintendo ALONE is responsible for 99% of growth last year in the market. That is INSANEscreechmario
Evidence please or else your talking out of your you-know-what rendering your post uselessHe's right. I heard this as well. Again, prove it. Just because you confirm it doesn't make it true
nintendos got almost 30 years in gaming on the market. anyways you must feel like a champ right now because youve discovered a small measure of fact that you hadnt known 15 minutes ago. way to go chief....
[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"][QUOTE="screechmario"]He's right. I heard this as well.VideoGameGuy
Again, prove it. Just because you confirm it doesn't make it trueLINK Thank you. And wow that's surprising to hear. This is the second time Nintendo has saved gaming then.
[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"]"Nintendo's marketcap (market value) is actually higher than the entire Sony Company" Evidence please? I know Sony is suffering and Nintendo is prosperous, but all I am reading is a bunch of stuff from an absolute nobody here on System Wars (Mr. Journeyman). It means absolutely nothing if you can't back up what you are saying. Oh wait I get it, your trying to be funny...right!? Nintendo: Mkt Cap: 38.17B Sony Corporation: Mkt Cap: 26.32B http://www.google.com/finance?q=OTC:NTDOYhttp://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:SNE
Ill enjoy my great list of games and upcoming titles.
You enjoy numbers and shovelware.
-Reggaeton-
Well it's not like shovelware is ALL it has. That argument is equivalent to "Enjoy the PS3 even though they have no games" or "Omg, have fun playing your 360 until it RROD's" In other words, it's a bit ignorant IMO to say that, ESPECIALLY since Wii 09 is looking very promising.
[QUOTE="thriteenthmonke"][QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"]"Nintendo's marketcap (market value) is actually higher than the entire Sony Company" Evidence please? I know Sony is suffering and Nintendo is prosperous, but all I am reading is a bunch of stuff from an absolute nobody here on System Wars (Mr. Journeyman). It means absolutely nothing if you can't back up what you are saying. Oh wait I get it, your trying to be funny...right!? Nintendo: Mkt Cap: 38.17B Sony Corporation: Mkt Cap: 26.32B http://www.google.com/finance?q=OTC:NTDOYhttp://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:SNE I can't believe he was actually serious. Serves me right for not doing the counter-research then.
I also don't have the numbers/link to back his "market capitalization claims" though I do believe after the success of the Wii, and Sony's slow start combined with several other poorly performing divisions that, at some point, Nintendo's value on the stock market had eclipsed Sony's. Now what does that mean? Diddly. Stock market valuations rarely have anything to do with actual demonstrable assets. And the assertion that Nintendo now is somehow a Larger company... let alone gaming division, is silly. After a quick Google of Nintendo and Sony I was able to come up with approximately 3,400 Nintendo employees and 185,000 Sony employees. Sony is currently cutting 8000 full time positions and 8000 contracted positions this year in an effort to improve efficiency. That's almost 5x the number of all the Nintendo emloyees combined! Nintendo is a smaller company that has made a ton of money for its stockholders these past few years. Sony is a much larger company that's had it's stock hammered that past few years. But there is no arguing which is a "Larger" company. It isn't even close.
I don't know about that 99% of the growth thing, but he's right about the market value.
Nintendo Japan Leisure goods 289.1 40,950.2
Sony Japan Leisure goods 20.2 20,320.5
The last figures are each company's market value (in millions of US dollars).
Source.
LordQuorthon
http://www.joystiq.com/2009/01/19/nintendo-says-its-responsible-for-99-of-2008-industry-growth/ "We thought about double checking that astounding figure, but a quick look at the NPDs was enough to convince us that it sounds, pardon the pun, on the money"
I guess if you talk about how much money they make. But if you're talking about market dominance then the combination of ps1,2, and 3 are more the nes,snes, n64 and gamecube
Market capitalization does not determine the size of a company. Sony has a lot more revenue and a lot more assets
Couth_
Uhhh yes it does. We have gone over this many times on SW. Let me simplify it for you. Company A sells a console for $300 and loses $100 on it Company B sells a console for $100 and makes $50 on it. Company A generated more revenue. Company B is worth more.
Market capitalization does not determine the size of a company. Sony has a lot more revenue and a lot more assets
screechmario
Uhhh yes it does. We have gone over this many times on SW. Let me simplify it for you. Company A sells a console for $300 and loses $100 on it Company B sells a console for $100 and makes $50 on it. Company A generated more revenue. Company B is worth more. Nintendo is making more mony than Sony, but Sony is a larger company
Market capitalization does not determine the size of a company. Sony has a lot more revenue and a lot more assets
screechmario
Uhhh yes it does. We have gone over this many times on SW. Let me simplify it for you. Company A sells a console for $300 and loses $100 on it Company B sells a console for $100 and makes $50 on it. Company A generated more revenue. Company B is worth more. Size, and market capitalization were being discussed. Profitablility does not necessarily relate to either of those. Size of the company relates to the employess and assets a company is comprised of. Market capitalization is simply what the total number of stocks are worth for each company. Simplification isn't needed. Your post isn't relevant to the topic at hand.
Market capitalization does not determine the size of a company. Sony has a lot more revenue and a lot more assets
santoron
Uhhh yes it does. We have gone over this many times on SW. Let me simplify it for you. Company A sells a console for $300 and loses $100 on it Company B sells a console for $100 and makes $50 on it. Company A generated more revenue. Company B is worth more. Size, and market capitalization were being discussed. Profitablility does not necessarily relate to either of those. Size of the company relates to the employess and assets a company is comprised of. Market capitalization is simply what the total number of stocks are worth for each company. Simplification isn't needed. Your post isn't relevant to the topic at hand.Don't speak to me about profit when Nintendo is setting records and Sony has been losing money.
Market capitalization does not determine the size of a company. Sony has a lot more revenue and a lot more assets
screechmario
Uhhh yes it does. We have gone over this many times on SW. Let me simplify it for you. Company A sells a console for $300 and loses $100 on it Company B sells a console for $100 and makes $50 on it. Company A generated more revenue. Company B is worth more. Who is "we" exactly? The royal "we"? You made your account yesterday. I don't know whether this is discussed frequently on these forums because I just started posting here, but it seems odd that you would know.
[QUOTE="screechmario"][QUOTE="santoron"] Size, and market capitalization were being discussed. Profitablility does not necessarily relate to either of those. Size of the company relates to the employess and assets a company is comprised of. Market capitalization is simply what the total number of stocks are worth for each company. Simplification isn't needed. Your post isn't relevant to the topic at hand.
SionPT
Don't speak to me about profit when Nintendo is setting records and Sony has been losing money.
and im playing real and harcore games and you still awating for them while waving your hand in g@y manner and balancing yourself in a ficnional balance for virtual yoga, who cares nintendo is higher sales, sony is better im gamiing and has laways brought more to the industry than nintendo (expect for some expections)
you have no games to play and you turned on sales.. sad
The games argument isnt really working anymore bud.... Wii has 6 AAe titles and 6 Ae titles already in 2009 ;) Now we have the sales and the games.
Market capitalization does not determine the size of a company. Sony has a lot more revenue and a lot more assets
Ego-testicle
Uhhh yes it does. We have gone over this many times on SW. Let me simplify it for you. Company A sells a console for $300 and loses $100 on it Company B sells a console for $100 and makes $50 on it. Company A generated more revenue. Company B is worth more. Who is "we" exactly? The royal "we"? You made your account yesterday. I don't know whether this is discussed frequently on these forums because I just started posting here, but it seems odd that you would know. Since your new here I'll let this slide. People are allowed to have more than one account on this board. Understand?
Sort of off topic, but I have to wonder if all of these sales numbers were important to Nintendo fans last console generation. I don't know why gamers would even care about sales? Unless a company is in serious enough financial trouble that it impacts their ability to release quality games, it really doesn't affect the end-user whatsoever. I will also say that no sales record is worth enduring a casual lineup like the Wii has put forth in recent years. If a Wii was my only source of gaming nourishment I would be starving for titles that appeal to me.
[QUOTE="screechmario"][QUOTE="Ego-testicle"][QUOTE="screechmario"]Uhhh yes it does. We have gone over this many times on SW. Let me simplify it for you. Company A sells a console for $300 and loses $100 on it Company B sells a console for $100 and makes $50 on it. Company A generated more revenue. Company B is worth more. Who is "we" exactly? The royal "we"? You made your account yesterday. I don't know whether this is discussed frequently on these forums because I just started posting here, but it seems odd that you would know. Since your new here I'll let this slide. People are allowed to have more than one account on this board. Understand? I don't believe that is the case. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the TOS before you begin posting.
Sort of off topic, but I have to wonder if all of these sales numbers were important to Nintendo fans last console generation. I don't know why gamers would even care about sales? Unless a company is in serious enough financial trouble that it impacts their ability to release quality games, it really doesn't affect the end-user whatsoever. I will also say that no sales record is worth enduring a casual lineup like the Wii has put forth in recent years. If a Wii was my only source of gaming nourishment I would be starving for titles that appeal to me. Ego-testicle
Speak for yourself, the Wii has 6AAe's and 6Ae's already in 2009 and I cant keep up with all the games coming out.
[QUOTE="screechmario"]Uhhh yes it does. We have gone over this many times on SW. Let me simplify it for you. Company A sells a console for $300 and loses $100 on it Company B sells a console for $100 and makes $50 on it. Company A generated more revenue. Company B is worth more.screechmario
Size, and market capitalization were being discussed. Profitablility does not necessarily relate to either of those. Size of the company relates to the employess and assets a company is comprised of. Market capitalization is simply what the total number of stocks are worth for each company. Simplification isn't needed. Your post isn't relevant to the topic at hand.Don't speak to me about profit when Nintendo is setting records and Sony has been losing money.
You seem to have a real problem grasping the point. I'm NOT trying to talk about profitability. In fact, you are the only one in the thread bringing it up. The OP inferred Nintendo's Market capitalization made it a bigger company than Sony. I corrected him. Then you, obviously confused about the actual topic being discussed, tried to infer making money off the Wii=Bigger company. Not only is that also incorrect, it has nothing to do with what is being discussed.
[QUOTE="Ego-testicle"][QUOTE="screechmario"][QUOTE="Ego-testicle"] Who is "we" exactly? The royal "we"? You made your account yesterday. I don't know whether this is discussed frequently on these forums because I just started posting here, but it seems odd that you would know. Since your new here I'll let this slide. People are allowed to have more than one account on this board. Understand? I don't believe that is the case. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the TOS before you begin posting. Just because you don't believe its the case does not make it so ;) People are allowed to have multiple accounts on this board. Regardless of what you believe.
[QUOTE="screechmario"]Don't speak to me about profit when Nintendo is setting records and Sony has been losing money.screechmario
and im playing real and harcore games and you still awating for them while waving your hand in g@y manner and balancing yourself in a ficnional balance for virtual yoga, who cares nintendo is higher sales, sony is better im gamiing and has laways brought more to the industry than nintendo (expect for some expections)
you have no games to play and you turned on sales.. sad
The games argument isnt really working anymore bud.... Wii has 6 AAe titles and 6 Ae titles already in 2009 ;) Now we have the sales and the games. Do you honestly believe that a game like ExciteBots is completely on par with a AA title like Resident Evil 5, Mass Effect, Fable 2 or Uncharted, just because an arbitrary reviewing system gave them comparable scores? I have played ExciteBots, by the way, and it is quite fun, so I am not putting it down. I just want to know if you believe that all 8/10+ games are created equally.
[QUOTE="screechmario"][QUOTE="Ego-testicle"][QUOTE="screechmario"]Uhhh yes it does. We have gone over this many times on SW. Let me simplify it for you. Company A sells a console for $300 and loses $100 on it Company B sells a console for $100 and makes $50 on it. Company A generated more revenue. Company B is worth more. Who is "we" exactly? The royal "we"? You made your account yesterday. I don't know whether this is discussed frequently on these forums because I just started posting here, but it seems odd that you would know. Since your new here I'll let this slide. People are allowed to have more than one account on this board. Understand? You act like you're the king here. "I'll let it slide". You must think of yourself rather highly.
[QUOTE="Ego-testicle"] Do you honestly believe that a game like ExciteBots is completely on par with a AA title like Resident Evil 5, Mass Effect, Fable 2 or Uncharted, just because an arbitrary reviewing system gave them comparable scores? I have played ExciteBots, by the way, and it is quite fun, so I am not putting it down. I just want to know if you believe that all 8/10+ games are created equally.Yes I do. Infact I think RE5 is a complete abortion and I'd rather have Excitebots which is an icredibly fun racer. If you want to compare scores, Punchout or Zelda TTP are also AA's on the Wii and are immeasurably better than any of the games you listed.
[QUOTE="screechmario"][QUOTE="Ego-testicle"] Do you honestly believe that a game like ExciteBots is completely on par with a AA title like Resident Evil 5, Mass Effect, Fable 2 or Uncharted, just because an arbitrary reviewing system gave them comparable scores? I have played ExciteBots, by the way, and it is quite fun, so I am not putting it down. I just want to know if you believe that all 8/10+ games are created equally.Yes I do. Infact I think RE5 is a complete abortion and I'd rather have Excitebots which is an icredibly fun racer. If you want to compare scores, Punchout or Zelda TTP are also AA's on the Wii and are immeasurably better than any of the games you listed. When Wii fans get angry...
[QUOTE="Ego-testicle"]Sort of off topic, but I have to wonder if all of these sales numbers were important to Nintendo fans last console generation. I don't know why gamers would even care about sales? Unless a company is in serious enough financial trouble that it impacts their ability to release quality games, it really doesn't affect the end-user whatsoever. I will also say that no sales record is worth enduring a casual lineup like the Wii has put forth in recent years. If a Wii was my only source of gaming nourishment I would be starving for titles that appeal to me. screechmario
Speak for yourself, the Wii has 6AAe's and 6Ae's already in 2009 and I cant keep up with all the games coming out. Speak for myself? I will indeed, who else would I presume to speak for? Internet forums are for soliciting opinions, and obviously I am soliciting my own. As I said, the games on the Wii this year simply are not appealing to me. I am not the target demographic for ExciteBots or Punch Out. MadWorld was brutal fun but it can't compete for my attention with what the other consoles and PC are putting out. This is just how I feel, I am not basing my opinion on what Gamespot feels. I have played ExciteBots, I have played MadWorld, I am not ignorant of the Wii's lineup. I just think Nintendo is targeting completely different gamers than me. The Wii has some fantastic games in it's library, but in my opinion none of them have been released this year. I have yet to play Punch Out, though.
[QUOTE="Ego-testicle"] Do you honestly believe that a game like ExciteBots is completely on par with a AA title like Resident Evil 5, Mass Effect, Fable 2 or Uncharted, just because an arbitrary reviewing system gave them comparable scores? I have played ExciteBots, by the way, and it is quite fun, so I am not putting it down. I just want to know if you believe that all 8/10+ games are created equally.screechmario
Yes I do. Infact I think RE5 is a complete abortion and I'd rather have Excitebots which is an icredibly fun racer. If you want to compare scores, Punchout or Zelda TTP are also AA's on the Wii and are immeasurably better than any of the games you listed. You forgot about the part where its opinion.
[QUOTE="Ego-testicle"][QUOTE="screechmario"]The games argument isnt really working anymore bud.... Wii has 6 AAe titles and 6 Ae titles already in 2009 ;) Now we have the sales and the games.VideoGameGuy
Do you honestly believe that a game like ExciteBots is completely on par with a AA title like Resident Evil 5, Mass Effect, Fable 2 or Uncharted, just because an arbitrary reviewing system gave them comparable scores? I have played ExciteBots, by the way, and it is quite fun, so I am not putting it down. I just want to know if you believe that all 8/10+ games are created equally. OF course they're not. There is no other game like Excitebots on other platforms so what are you going to compare it to? Sounds lke you are trying to say AA on the Wii wouldn't mean AA on other platforms, a rather fanboyish stance. Or course games are judged relative to the platform they are released on. A Nokia N-Gage Splinter Cell would not cut the mustard on XBox 360. I don't believe anyone holds all the platforms to the same standards, but you can feel free to believe whatever you want.
[QUOTE="screechmario"][QUOTE="Ego-testicle"]Sort of off topic, but I have to wonder if all of these sales numbers were important to Nintendo fans last console generation. I don't know why gamers would even care about sales? Unless a company is in serious enough financial trouble that it impacts their ability to release quality games, it really doesn't affect the end-user whatsoever. I will also say that no sales record is worth enduring a casual lineup like the Wii has put forth in recent years. If a Wii was my only source of gaming nourishment I would be starving for titles that appeal to me. Ego-testicle
Speak for yourself, the Wii has 6AAe's and 6Ae's already in 2009 and I cant keep up with all the games coming out. Speak for myself? I will indeed, who else would I presume to speak for? Internet forums are for soliciting opinions, and obviously I am soliciting my own. As I said, the games on the Wii this year simply are not appealing to me. I am not the target demographic for ExciteBots or Punch Out. MadWorld was brutal fun but it can't compete for my attention with what the other consoles and PC are putting out. This is just how I feel, I am not basing my opinion on what Gamespot feels. I have played ExciteBots, I have played MadWorld, I am not ignorant of the Wii's lineup. I just think Nintendo is targeting completely different gamers than me. The Wii has some fantastic games in it's library, but in my opinion none of them have been released this year. I have yet to play Punch Out, though. This is why we go by Gamespot scores. So opinions like yours don't get in the way of discussion.
[QUOTE="Ego-testicle"][QUOTE="screechmario"]Speak for yourself, the Wii has 6AAe's and 6Ae's already in 2009 and I cant keep up with all the games coming out.screechmario
Speak for myself? I will indeed, who else would I presume to speak for? Internet forums are for soliciting opinions, and obviously I am soliciting my own. As I said, the games on the Wii this year simply are not appealing to me. I am not the target demographic for ExciteBots or Punch Out. MadWorld was brutal fun but it can't compete for my attention with what the other consoles and PC are putting out. This is just how I feel, I am not basing my opinion on what Gamespot feels. I have played ExciteBots, I have played MadWorld, I am not ignorant of the Wii's lineup. I just think Nintendo is targeting completely different gamers than me. The Wii has some fantastic games in it's library, but in my opinion none of them have been released this year. I have yet to play Punch Out, though. This is why we go by Gamespot scores. So opinions like yours don't get in the way of discussion. He's right though. A wii's AAE is hardly comparible to a real next gen consoles AAE.
[QUOTE="screechmario"][QUOTE="Ego-testicle"] Speak for myself? I will indeed, who else would I presume to speak for? Internet forums are for soliciting opinions, and obviously I am soliciting my own. As I said, the games on the Wii this year simply are not appealing to me. I am not the target demographic for ExciteBots or Punch Out. MadWorld was brutal fun but it can't compete for my attention with what the other consoles and PC are putting out. This is just how I feel, I am not basing my opinion on what Gamespot feels. I have played ExciteBots, I have played MadWorld, I am not ignorant of the Wii's lineup. I just think Nintendo is targeting completely different gamers than me. The Wii has some fantastic games in it's library, but in my opinion none of them have been released this year. I have yet to play Punch Out, though. brennan7777
This is why we go by Gamespot scores. So opinions like yours don't get in the way of discussion. He's right though. A wii's AAE is hardly comparible to a real next gen consoles AAE.Link to Gamespot employee saying so?
[QUOTE="screechmario"]This is why we go by Gamespot scores. So opinions like yours don't get in the way of discussion.screechmario
He's right though. A wii's AAE is hardly comparible to a real next gen consoles AAE.Link to Gamespot employee saying so? If a gamespot employee publicly said it, the site would lose many customers, and he would probably get fired. They still think it however.. The thing i love about sheep is they are always bragging about the amount of AAE's they get when all wii games are exlusives. Then you bring up a AA game that wii isnt getting, but still isnt exclusive and it doesnt count for anything.
[QUOTE="screechmario"][QUOTE="brennan7777"] He's right though. A wii's AAE is hardly comparible to a real next gen consoles AAE.
brennan7777
Link to Gamespot employee saying so? If a gamespot employee publicly said it, the site would lose many customers, and he would probably get fired. They still think it however.. The thing i love about sheep is they are always bragging about the amount of AAE's they get when all wii games are exlusives. Then you bring up a AA game that wii isnt getting, but still isnt exclusive and it doesnt count for anything.So this is like a conspiracy then?
[QUOTE="screechmario"]Link to Gamespot employee saying so?screechmario
If a gamespot employee publicly said it, the site would lose many customers, and he would probably get fired. They still think it however.. The thing i love about sheep is they are always bragging about the amount of AAE's they get when all wii games are exlusives. Then you bring up a AA game that wii isnt getting, but still isnt exclusive and it doesnt count for anything.So this is like a conspiracy then? Yes anything against the Wii is a conspiracy.
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